787 grounding highlights FAA's struggles with new technology

DALLAS (AP) - After two separate and serious battery problems aboard Boeing 787s, it wasn't U.S. authorities who acted first to ground the plane. It was Japanese airlines.
The unfolding saga of Boeing's highest-profile plane has raised new questions about federal oversight of aircraft makers and airlines.
Some aviation experts question the ability of the Federal Aviation Administration to keep up with changes in the way planes are being made today - both the technological advances and the use of multiple suppliers from around the globe. Others question whether regulators are too cozy with aircraft manufacturers.
Even as they announced a broad review of the 787 earlier this month, top U.S. transportation regulators stood side-by-side with a Boeing executive and declared the plane safe - saying that they would gladly fly in one. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood repeated his endorsement Wednesday.
A few hours later, the FAA issued an emergency order grounding the planes.
Despite their concerns, many safety experts still believe that the current regulatory process works - the 787s were grounded before any accidents occurred.
The Dreamliner is the first airliner whose structure is made mostly from composite materials rather than aluminum. The plane relies more than previous airliners on electrical systems rather than hydraulic or mechanical ones, and it's the first airliner to make extensive use of lithium-ion batteries to power cabin-pressurization and other key functions.
Such technological advances may force the FAA to re-examine the way it does its job.
"We've gone from aviation to aerospace products that are much more complex," said Richard Aboulafia, an aviation analyst with the Teal Group. "The FAA is equipped for aviation. Aerospace is another matter."
Former National Transportation Safety Board member Kitty Higgins said the FAA must consider whether changes in its certification process would have turned up the problems in the Dreamliner battery systems.
"They need to make sure the certification process stays current with the industry and the new technology," she said.
An FAA spokeswoman declined to comment for this article, referring instead to statements made during a news conference last week. Officials said then that the review of the 787 wouldn't be limited to the Dreamliner's batteries. FAA Administrator Michael Huerta said that the agency would "make sure that the approved quality control procedures are in place and that all of the necessary oversight is done."
The FAA has said that its technical experts logged 200,000 hours testing and reviewing the plane's design before certifying the plane in August 2011. Boeing defended the process and the plane.
"We are confident in the regulatory process that has been applied to the 787 since its design inception," said Boeing Co. spokesman Marc Birtel. "With this airplane, the FAA conducted its most robust certification process ever."
A week ago, FAA's Huerta and Transportation Secretary LaHood endorsed the Dreamliner's safety even as they ordered a new review of its design and construction following a fire in a lithium-ion battery on a 787 that had landed in Boston. Then, this past Wednesday, after a battery malfunction on a second plane resulted in an emergency landing, they grounded Dreamliner flights in the U.S.
In certifying new planes, the FAA relies heavily on information from the manufacturers. That system has worked - the U.S. commercial airline fleet is safer than ever - but it is coming under renewed scrutiny after the 787 incidents.
Experts say that FAA officials have no choice but to rely on information from aircraft manufacturers as key systems of the plane are designed and built.
"As a practical matter, they can't do the testing," said longtime aviation consultant Daniel Kasper of Compass Lexecon. "They don't have the expertise in aircraft design, and they don't have the budget - it would be too costly. They would have to be involved in every step."
Thomas Anthony, director of the aviation-safety program at the University of Southern California, said many new planes have flaws that are only discovered once they go into service, and that the regulatory process worked the way it was supposed to with the Dreamliner.
"The FAA used to be accused of 'blood priority'" - acting only after a disaster, Anthony said. "In this case, it's not true. The regulators are taking their job seriously. There were no accidents, there were no injuries, there were no fatalities."
That has not always been the case. In 1979, authorities grounded the McDonnell Douglas DC-10 for five weeks after an engine tore loose from the wing of an American Airlines plane, causing a crash that killed 273 in Chicago. And there were other incidents that occurred after the DC-10 was introduced in 1971, including cargo-door problems that forced one emergency landing and caused a Turkish Airlines crash that killed 346 in 1974.
Boeing, based in Chicago, is racing to find a fix to the Dreamliner's battery systems and get the planes back in the air. It is still producing 787s but has stopped delivering them to customers.
Bloomberg News reported that Boeing has tried to persuade FAA to end the groundings by proposing a variety of inspections and having pilots monitor electronic signals from the batteries to prevent fires. The FAA has been reluctant to approve those steps without a clear idea of what caused the defects and how they can be prevented.
The National Transportation Safety Board said in a statement issued Sunday that its own investigation continues into the Jan. 7 fire aboard the Japan Airlines Boeing 787 at Boston's Logan International Airport. An NTSB statement said the lithium-ion battery that powered the auxiliary power unit had been disassembled and examined at an agency laboratory. It added that the battery was X-rayed and CT scans were generated and certain components would undergo further scrutiny.
It also said investigators have examined several other components taken from the plane, including wire bundles and battery management circuit boards, adding test plans were being developed for those and other components removed from the aircraft. According to the statement, several other components were sent for further examination at Boeing's facility in Seattle and the manufacture's facilities in Japan.
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AP Airlines Writer Joshua Freed contributed to this story from Minneapolis.
The unfolding saga of Boeing's highest-profile plane has raised new questions about federal oversight of aircraft makers and airlines.
Some aviation experts question the ability of the Federal Aviation Administration to keep up with changes in the way planes are being made today - both the technological advances and the use of multiple suppliers from around the globe. Others question whether regulators are too cozy with aircraft manufacturers.
Even as they announced a broad review of the 787 earlier this month, top U.S. transportation regulators stood side-by-side with a Boeing executive and declared the plane safe - saying that they would gladly fly in one. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood repeated his endorsement Wednesday.
A few hours later, the FAA issued an emergency order grounding the planes.
Despite their concerns, many safety experts still believe that the current regulatory process works - the 787s were grounded before any accidents occurred.
The Dreamliner is the first airliner whose structure is made mostly from composite materials rather than aluminum. The plane relies more than previous airliners on electrical systems rather than hydraulic or mechanical ones, and it's the first airliner to make extensive use of lithium-ion batteries to power cabin-pressurization and other key functions.
Such technological advances may force the FAA to re-examine the way it does its job.
"We've gone from aviation to aerospace products that are much more complex," said Richard Aboulafia, an aviation analyst with the Teal Group. "The FAA is equipped for aviation. Aerospace is another matter."
Former National Transportation Safety Board member Kitty Higgins said the FAA must consider whether changes in its certification process would have turned up the problems in the Dreamliner battery systems.
"They need to make sure the certification process stays current with the industry and the new technology," she said.
An FAA spokeswoman declined to comment for this article, referring instead to statements made during a news conference last week. Officials said then that the review of the 787 wouldn't be limited to the Dreamliner's batteries. FAA Administrator Michael Huerta said that the agency would "make sure that the approved quality control procedures are in place and that all of the necessary oversight is done."
The FAA has said that its technical experts logged 200,000 hours testing and reviewing the plane's design before certifying the plane in August 2011. Boeing defended the process and the plane.
"We are confident in the regulatory process that has been applied to the 787 since its design inception," said Boeing Co. spokesman Marc Birtel. "With this airplane, the FAA conducted its most robust certification process ever."
A week ago, FAA's Huerta and Transportation Secretary LaHood endorsed the Dreamliner's safety even as they ordered a new review of its design and construction following a fire in a lithium-ion battery on a 787 that had landed in Boston. Then, this past Wednesday, after a battery malfunction on a second plane resulted in an emergency landing, they grounded Dreamliner flights in the U.S.
In certifying new planes, the FAA relies heavily on information from the manufacturers. That system has worked - the U.S. commercial airline fleet is safer than ever - but it is coming under renewed scrutiny after the 787 incidents.
Experts say that FAA officials have no choice but to rely on information from aircraft manufacturers as key systems of the plane are designed and built.
"As a practical matter, they can't do the testing," said longtime aviation consultant Daniel Kasper of Compass Lexecon. "They don't have the expertise in aircraft design, and they don't have the budget - it would be too costly. They would have to be involved in every step."
Thomas Anthony, director of the aviation-safety program at the University of Southern California, said many new planes have flaws that are only discovered once they go into service, and that the regulatory process worked the way it was supposed to with the Dreamliner.
"The FAA used to be accused of 'blood priority'" - acting only after a disaster, Anthony said. "In this case, it's not true. The regulators are taking their job seriously. There were no accidents, there were no injuries, there were no fatalities."
That has not always been the case. In 1979, authorities grounded the McDonnell Douglas DC-10 for five weeks after an engine tore loose from the wing of an American Airlines plane, causing a crash that killed 273 in Chicago. And there were other incidents that occurred after the DC-10 was introduced in 1971, including cargo-door problems that forced one emergency landing and caused a Turkish Airlines crash that killed 346 in 1974.
Boeing, based in Chicago, is racing to find a fix to the Dreamliner's battery systems and get the planes back in the air. It is still producing 787s but has stopped delivering them to customers.
Bloomberg News reported that Boeing has tried to persuade FAA to end the groundings by proposing a variety of inspections and having pilots monitor electronic signals from the batteries to prevent fires. The FAA has been reluctant to approve those steps without a clear idea of what caused the defects and how they can be prevented.
The National Transportation Safety Board said in a statement issued Sunday that its own investigation continues into the Jan. 7 fire aboard the Japan Airlines Boeing 787 at Boston's Logan International Airport. An NTSB statement said the lithium-ion battery that powered the auxiliary power unit had been disassembled and examined at an agency laboratory. It added that the battery was X-rayed and CT scans were generated and certain components would undergo further scrutiny.
It also said investigators have examined several other components taken from the plane, including wire bundles and battery management circuit boards, adding test plans were being developed for those and other components removed from the aircraft. According to the statement, several other components were sent for further examination at Boeing's facility in Seattle and the manufacture's facilities in Japan.
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AP Airlines Writer Joshua Freed contributed to this story from Minneapolis.
How is it that no battery problems occurred during all the testing of these planes, but when they enter service, they begin to experience difficulties? Are the same batteries being used?
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Also, why would you have an inadequate battery for the systems in the first place? Don't you build a battery based upon the system it will serve, not the other way around?Â
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I totally agree with your first point and have asked the same. Yes the same batteries are being used but maybe there is a bad batch of batteries or charger.
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As for your second point, most aircraft systems are not designed to run off the battery. That is why they have generators to sustain electrical power to operate the systems. The batteries on the 787 are normally used for starting the main computers in the aircraft and for APU start. Once the APU is running it will the supply electrical power to the aircraft and for engine start. Once the engines are running, they will then provide the electric power.
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The batteries can also supply backup power to some 28vdc systems in the event of electrical system problems.
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Keep in mind the 2 batteries are only 28vdc compared to the 2 APU and 4 engine generators that produce 235vac.
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If you are running only on battery power.....bad things are happening and the flight crew is looking for the nearest airport!
".....and it's the first airliner to make extensive use of lithium-ion batteries to power cabin-pressurization and other key functions."
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You better have more than battery power if you are to pressurize the airplane. The media and a majority of the comments below are so ignorant when it comes to aviation.
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You stupid ass Boeing management. You tried to save a buck and now you have a piece of crap lawn ornament. Should have kept the foreign workers off this project. Just like the old saying" pay me now or pay me later".
No matter, we can simply outsource all this critical stuff that keeps them flying that we dont know anything about yet.
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Prime illustration of a corporation and its shareholders "capturing" regulation too further their own profit. Of course the FAA stood side by side with Boeing and their shareholders, that's who owns them and our corrupt law makers.
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Good job Japan airlines in recognizing the obvious.
They rushed the project and put in a little tested battery made in Japan. They outsourced most parts everywhere but the U.S, and slapped it together down south in a right to work state. The people who build it call it the "plastic pig"....Â
 @B.E Glenn ....One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. (Mark Twain)
 @al_wa Thanks Mark..LOL
 @al_wa  @B.E Glenn Well whenever you contract out you can and will have quality issues....LOl...If you only knew.....Where I was coming from...LOL
 @B.E Glenn You might want to do some research before you comment. Most of the 787 aircraft flying, including the Japanese planes were assembled in Everett, WA., which is definitely a union controlled facility.  BTW, many significant parts, such as the most of the fuselage ahead of the wing, also known as the cockpit, the pylons, which hold the engines on, and parts of the wing are built in the guess where - the US of A. This is not to mention the myriad parts built in the US that go into assemblies built
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 @the unvarnished truth As I expecteed, no reply. That's because they come in ready to bolt on
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OK, what percentage, or are you just blowing smoke?
 @the unvarnished truth You do know that the 747 body panels were built by Northrup and assembled in Everett don't you ?
 @the unvarnished truth Oops, fat fingers again, but again let's focus on the real matter here, there has been almost a year and a half of flying this aircraft without any serious problems and now it would seem there are. I'm willing to wait until the investigation is complete and then make my conclusion as to what did
cause the current problem. BTW, you I'm sure realize how much work on the other
Boeing models is offloaded.  IMHO, the 787 work was spread around the world to reduce the financial load of Boeing, but it didn't quite work that well, with the possible exception of the Japanese business which has always been a good risk.
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 @the unvarnished truth Spoken like a true union soldier. Get real, with the union work rules and strike threats of course they have control. As a supplier, for 45+ years I have witnessed how production is accomplished at Boeing facilities.Â
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 @B.E Glenn Um, you might be jumping the gun on blaming the Japanese built battery. We don't yet know the root cause. And Japan is well known for high quality manufacturing, so while it's possible it's the battery manufacturer's fault, it's equally likely that the cause is in a U.S. built part or design.  Â
 @randomuser  @B.E Glenn More than likely a specification error, although perhaps a design error in the charging circuit: reports are that the batteries seem to have been recharging too fast when they roasted. But there have been repeated problems with Japanese LiIon battery packages with bundled chargers as used in e.g. laptop computers.Â
One of the problems with LiIon batteries is that their electrolyte is highly flammable with a very low flashpoint rather below its boiling point. Beyond that, they are also highly toxic. Other technologies are less "fiery" and some are much less toxic: lead-acid, nickel-cadmium and nickel-metal-hydride - which last is reported to be virtually non-toxic and used to be rated the very highest energy density by weight - but not by volume.
Bottom line: just as the article states, this is a new technology or at least a new application of technology, and it has not yet been fully vetted perhaps.
I think it is just your typical Government laziness and incompetence. You see it at every level, they just don't care and they can't make decisions unless it is in a policy book. They are incompetent and rely on the private sector to know what's going on. When incidents like this happen, it exposes the lack of knowledge by these agencies. Despite what Government thinks, it is clearly in Boeing's best interest to design and build a safe plane. Boeing will fix this, without Government expertise.
 @Alert Eagle They should fix it is their problem. The Govt does not build the plane..  Like anything else you build junk no one will buy it..LOL
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 @B.E Glenn Umm kind of what I said. I don't believe the 787 is junk.
 @Alert Eagle Typical Government laziness and incompetence? You say? I don't see what your talking about they did not build it. Two burned batteries and you think it is ok to fly over water or anywhere else for that matter before they have a fix and the latest news show the batteries had different failure mode. Everyone wants to blame someone no one is accountable.Â
That's right...all our Aviation Technology already have been "OFFLOADED"
to other countries,we do not have any anymore !
This needs to be fixed and validated before they let it fly again. Just makes common sense.
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