Grounding of 787s adds to scrutiny of Boeing plane
Boeing's troubles with its newest airplane got worse after an emergency landing prompted Japan's two biggest airlines to ground all their 787s for safety checks.
It was the second fire-related incident in two weeks involving the 787's lithium-ion batteries.
All Nippon Airways said pilots detected a burning smell and received a cockpit message showing battery problems. They made an emergency landing at Takamatsu airport in western Japan, and passengers rode emergency slides off the plane.
ANA said an inspection found leaking electrolyte from the battery and burn marks around it. The lithium ion battery is below and slightly behind the cockpit, and experts have said its electrolyte is flammable.
Japan's transport ministry categorized it as a "serious incident" that could have led to an accident.
The ministry said it received notices from ANA, which operates 17 of the jets, and Japan Airlines, which has seven, that all their 787s would not be flying. The airlines grounded the planes voluntarily. It was unclear how long the Dreamliners would remain grounded.
The two airlines are major customers for the jet.
ANA was especially proud of its 787s. Its executives' business cards and the top of its website read "We fly 1st." Even when the 787 ran late, they expressed confidence in it. ANA got the first one that Boeing delivered in late 2011.
On Wednesday, ANA executives apologized, bowing deeply at a hastily called news conference in Tokyo.
"We are very sorry to have caused passengers and their family members so much concern," said ANA Senior Executive Vice President Osamu Shinobe.
Boeing has delivered 50 of the new 787s so far, so the groundings of 24 planes represents nearly half of the world's fleet of what is meant to be the most technologically advanced plane in the skies.
The 787 relies more than any other modern airliner on electrical signals to help power nearly everything the plane does. It's also the first Boeing plane to use rechargeable lithium ion batteries, which charge faster and weigh less than other airplane batteries. Most of the 787 is made from lightweight composites instead of aluminum.
Boeing said it is aware of the latest incident and is working with ANA and regulators.
Other airlines stuck with the 787. United Airlines checked all six of its 787s overnight and was flying them as scheduled on Wednesday, spokeswoman Christen David said.
LOT Polish Airlines was beginning regular 787 flights between Chicago O'Hare and Warsaw on Wednesday, and it said its plans have not changed.
Its planes are among the later ones built by Boeing, meaning it received "proper modifications which reduce technical problems" seen in the 787s of other airlines, a statement from the airline said. A spokesperson declined to say more about which technical problems had been fixed.
Boeing was already under scrutiny after last week's fire, which was also tied to a lithium-ion battery in a different part of the plane.
On Jan. 7, the battery near the rear of a Japan Airlines 787 burned shortly after the plane landed at Boston Logan and passengers had gotten off. It took firefighters 40 minutes to put it out.
That fire prompted investigations by the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration, and the FAA later said it would review the design and manufacture of the plane, focusing on its electrical systems.
The NTSB said on Wednesday that it is sending an investigator to Japan to join the newest probe.
Other 787s have recently had problems with certain electrical panels on the 787 and fuel leaks.
ANA canceled a domestic flight to Tokyo on Jan. 9 after a computer wrongly indicated there was a problem with the Boeing 787's brakes. Two days later, the carrier reported two new problems with the aircraft - a minor fuel leak and a cracked windscreen in a cockpit.
The earliest manufactured jets of any new aircraft usually have problems and airlines run higher risks in flying them first, said Brendan Sobie, Singapore-based chief analyst at CAPA-Center for Aviation. Since about half the 787 fleet is in Japan, more problems are cropping up there.
GS Yuasa Corp., the Japanese company that supplies all the lithium ion batteries for the 787, had no comment as the investigation was still ongoing. Thales, which makes the battery charging system, had no immediate comment.
Boeing has said that various technical problems are to be expected in the early days of any aircraft model.
"Boeing is aware of the diversion of a 787 operated by ANA to Takamatsu in western Japan. We will be working with our customer and the appropriate regulatory agencies," Boeing spokesman Marc Birtel said.
United frequent flier Josh Feller said he changed his plans to fly a United 787 from Los Angeles International to Houston next month because of the 787's troubles.
"I've been following the 787 news closely and the latest incident finally spooked me into changing my flight," he said by e-mail. "It's an unnecessary risk and since I was going out of my way to fly the plane in the first place, decided to change flights." He also wanted to avoid any disruptions if United eventually grounds the 787.
Aviation safety expert John Goglia, a former National Transportation Safety Board member, said the ANA pilot made the right decision.
"They were being very prudent in making the emergency landing even though there's been no information released so far that indicates any of these issues are related," he said.
But much remains uncertain about the problems being experienced by the 787, said Masaharu Hirokane, analyst at Nomura Securities Co. in Tokyo.
"You need to ensure safety 100 percent, and then you also have to get people to feel that the jet is 100 percent safe," Hirokane said.
It was the second fire-related incident in two weeks involving the 787's lithium-ion batteries.
All Nippon Airways said pilots detected a burning smell and received a cockpit message showing battery problems. They made an emergency landing at Takamatsu airport in western Japan, and passengers rode emergency slides off the plane.
ANA said an inspection found leaking electrolyte from the battery and burn marks around it. The lithium ion battery is below and slightly behind the cockpit, and experts have said its electrolyte is flammable.
Japan's transport ministry categorized it as a "serious incident" that could have led to an accident.
The ministry said it received notices from ANA, which operates 17 of the jets, and Japan Airlines, which has seven, that all their 787s would not be flying. The airlines grounded the planes voluntarily. It was unclear how long the Dreamliners would remain grounded.
The two airlines are major customers for the jet.
ANA was especially proud of its 787s. Its executives' business cards and the top of its website read "We fly 1st." Even when the 787 ran late, they expressed confidence in it. ANA got the first one that Boeing delivered in late 2011.
On Wednesday, ANA executives apologized, bowing deeply at a hastily called news conference in Tokyo.
"We are very sorry to have caused passengers and their family members so much concern," said ANA Senior Executive Vice President Osamu Shinobe.
Boeing has delivered 50 of the new 787s so far, so the groundings of 24 planes represents nearly half of the world's fleet of what is meant to be the most technologically advanced plane in the skies.
The 787 relies more than any other modern airliner on electrical signals to help power nearly everything the plane does. It's also the first Boeing plane to use rechargeable lithium ion batteries, which charge faster and weigh less than other airplane batteries. Most of the 787 is made from lightweight composites instead of aluminum.
Boeing said it is aware of the latest incident and is working with ANA and regulators.
Other airlines stuck with the 787. United Airlines checked all six of its 787s overnight and was flying them as scheduled on Wednesday, spokeswoman Christen David said.
LOT Polish Airlines was beginning regular 787 flights between Chicago O'Hare and Warsaw on Wednesday, and it said its plans have not changed.
Its planes are among the later ones built by Boeing, meaning it received "proper modifications which reduce technical problems" seen in the 787s of other airlines, a statement from the airline said. A spokesperson declined to say more about which technical problems had been fixed.
Boeing was already under scrutiny after last week's fire, which was also tied to a lithium-ion battery in a different part of the plane.
On Jan. 7, the battery near the rear of a Japan Airlines 787 burned shortly after the plane landed at Boston Logan and passengers had gotten off. It took firefighters 40 minutes to put it out.
That fire prompted investigations by the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration, and the FAA later said it would review the design and manufacture of the plane, focusing on its electrical systems.
The NTSB said on Wednesday that it is sending an investigator to Japan to join the newest probe.
Other 787s have recently had problems with certain electrical panels on the 787 and fuel leaks.
ANA canceled a domestic flight to Tokyo on Jan. 9 after a computer wrongly indicated there was a problem with the Boeing 787's brakes. Two days later, the carrier reported two new problems with the aircraft - a minor fuel leak and a cracked windscreen in a cockpit.
The earliest manufactured jets of any new aircraft usually have problems and airlines run higher risks in flying them first, said Brendan Sobie, Singapore-based chief analyst at CAPA-Center for Aviation. Since about half the 787 fleet is in Japan, more problems are cropping up there.
GS Yuasa Corp., the Japanese company that supplies all the lithium ion batteries for the 787, had no comment as the investigation was still ongoing. Thales, which makes the battery charging system, had no immediate comment.
Boeing has said that various technical problems are to be expected in the early days of any aircraft model.
"Boeing is aware of the diversion of a 787 operated by ANA to Takamatsu in western Japan. We will be working with our customer and the appropriate regulatory agencies," Boeing spokesman Marc Birtel said.
United frequent flier Josh Feller said he changed his plans to fly a United 787 from Los Angeles International to Houston next month because of the 787's troubles.
"I've been following the 787 news closely and the latest incident finally spooked me into changing my flight," he said by e-mail. "It's an unnecessary risk and since I was going out of my way to fly the plane in the first place, decided to change flights." He also wanted to avoid any disruptions if United eventually grounds the 787.
Aviation safety expert John Goglia, a former National Transportation Safety Board member, said the ANA pilot made the right decision.
"They were being very prudent in making the emergency landing even though there's been no information released so far that indicates any of these issues are related," he said.
But much remains uncertain about the problems being experienced by the 787, said Masaharu Hirokane, analyst at Nomura Securities Co. in Tokyo.
"You need to ensure safety 100 percent, and then you also have to get people to feel that the jet is 100 percent safe," Hirokane said.
KOMO is a little behind on the news here. The FAA has just grounded ALL 787's until further notice. I called this over a week ago.
*Pist* I wonder if the idea of the heat cycling of the batteries is causing this... I mean it is cold at altitude and perhaps the cold is causing them to 'overcharge' because with the cold the charging system should be charging the batteries as a slower rate to compensate - this is assuming the compartment is infact allowed to chill when in flight anyone know if this battery compartment is heated..
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I wonder if this is really something simple as making sure the charging system is compensating properly for the charging voltage when the plan is in subzero temperatures...  don't ya think?
On the bright side a move over $74.65 would be a good gap up play on the stock..
Our best minds and technology failed with the shuttle if you recall....things can and often do happen at first, as you can only assure it design so far without actual use time. Can these issues be addressed, I believe so, as their are some pretty smart people out in this world. But of course you have the "Oprah" crowd as evidenced here, who would still be hiding in a cave somewhere if others hadn't been so bold to push for a new frontier....
@raydawg Hardly a fair comparison. A shuttle crew is VASTLY different than someone flying on a passenger jet. Trust me, you're MUCH safer in a car, than a space shuttle.
On a positive note, the emergency slides seem to function properly.Â
Arn't these the ones built in Everett? If so we better be looking for that union label.
Wow.. I didn't realize Boeing built batteries pal! I bet you ate alot of paint chips as a kid!
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Probably not the best idea to use batteries that produce its own source of fuel when they catch on fire.  Just saying...
 @lakeview excellent point
kinda sounds like the batteries are getting overcharged or don't get enough air flow to keep them cool causing expansion and leakage.Â
Way to go Boeing leadership.  The move to Chicago and outsourcing is really paying off.  The investment in your out-sized salaries is really paying off.  Make sure you don't pay the engineers and machinists who designed and built every other plane you ever made-- they are so very easily replaceable as this shows. Â
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Every new airplane developed always has some kind of problems including the mainstays of worldwide fleets, the 737 and 747.Â
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The 787 is going through the same types of growing pains, however these are much more publicized due to the large media focus on the 787 due to the media attention on it's groundbreaking design and the significant delays in initial launch.Â
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As a consequence, any bug that pops up is going to be under a much bigger media microscope.
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 @PuyallupCoug Thank you for your level headed assessment.
If Boeing did not push the envelope of technology they would join the 200 defunct aircraft manufactures of the United states. Seattle and Washington State would be far different without Boeing.
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The whole deploying emergency chute thing is a bit over the top don't you think?
What color do the mood lights change to during an emergency?
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Blue for water landing, red for fire?
Hey, at least the emergency chutes work!
The batteries are designed in France just FYI, aka OUTSOURCE
 @8nthegate You are somewhat right. The batteries are designed and built GS Yuasa under contract from Thales ( French Company) GS Yuasa Corporation formed GS Yuasa Lithium Power (GYLP) in Roswell, Georgia, United States
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 @8nthegate The batteries are produced in Japan. The charging system is designed and built by that French company.Â
 @8nthegate by Airbus ? Hmm ...
 @8nthegate and probably by the same guys that designed the Le Car. Hood release in the trunk? Brilliant!!!!
 @Ankle Biter  @8nthegate i had a le car once for about 8 months and the hood release was not in the trunk but it spent a lot of time in the shop getting the crappy thing fixed. i got rid of it. bought it new and the heater cable broke first week, boots tore 1st month, electric relays kept failing. very undependable car.
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 @32jim2  @8nthegate The French don't care if their cars break down..they just take a holiday.
This is the consequence of the 'OUTSOURCING !
Boeing will Never learn........!
 @scychan One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. (Mark Twain) Â
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There is no basis in fact for your assertion.
Maybe the Boeing engineers/assemblers thought I-502 (pot initiative) had already passed when they built these planes.
 @Joe Build The issue isn't with the build, the issue is specifically with components that were outsourced.  Joe, maybe you are a little too much on the pipe yourself.  Puff, puff, toke my friend. Â
 @Joe Build Yeah because that matters when you work under FAA regulation. Despite people's personal views on Washington's new legality all employees are still subject to testing if suspected or being under the influence or having a major mishap in the workplace.
And SPEEA wants a raise ????    NOT !!!!
I didn't realize The union built batteries, please explain!
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