AP: US economy could handle short fall over 'cliff'

WASHINGTON (AP) - The economic threat that's kept many Americans on edge for months is nearing reality - unless the White House and Republicans cut a budget deal by New Year's Day.
Huge tax increases. Deep cuts in domestic and defense programs. The likelihood of sinking stock prices, reduced consumer spending and corporate layoffs. The risk of a recession within months.
Still, the start of 2013 may turn out to be far less bleak than feared. For one thing, the two sides may strike a short-term agreement before New Year's that postpones spending cuts until spring. President Barack Obama and members of Congress return to Washington Thursday.
Even if New Year's passed with no deal, businesses and consumers would not likely panic as long as some agreement seemed imminent. The tax increases and spending cuts could be retroactively repealed.
And the impact of the tax increases would be felt only gradually. Most people would receive slightly less money in each paycheck.
"The simple conclusion that going off the cliff necessarily means a recession next year is wrong," says Lewis Alexander, an economist at Nomura Securities. "It will ultimately depend on how long the policies are in place."
It's always possible that negotiations between President Obama and Republican congressional leaders will collapse in acrimony. The prospect of permanent tax increases and spending cuts could cause many consumers and businesses to delay spending, hiring or expanding.
Without any agreement at all for months, the fiscal cliff would cause the U.S. economy to shrink 0.5 percent in the first half of 2013 and fall into recession, the Congressional Budget Office estimates.
But most economists expect a deal, if not by New Year's then soon after. Businesses and consumers will likely remain calm as long as negotiators seem to be moving toward an agreement.
"The atmosphere is more important than whether the talks spill" into next year, said Paul Ashworth, an economist at Capital Economics.
Here's why many are optimistic that a brief fall over the cliff wouldn't derail the economic recovery:
- Though the fiscal cliff would cost the economy an estimated $671 billion for all of 2013, the tax hit for most people would be slight at first. The expiration of Social Security and income tax cuts would be spread throughout 2013. For taxpayers with incomes of $40,000 to $65,000, paychecks would shrink an average of about $1,500 next year but an average of just $130 in January, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.
- About a third of the tax increases wouldn't touch most Americans. Some would hit businesses. Others, such as higher taxes on investment income and estates, and the expiration of middle-income tax credits, wouldn't come due until Americans filed their 2013 taxes in 2014.
- The Internal Revenue Service has delayed any increases in tax withholding that would otherwise kick in. Without a deal, the top income tax rate for single people with taxable income between about $36,000 and $88,000 would rise from 25 percent to 28 percent. But that won't start to reduce Americans' paychecks in early January, even if no deal is reached by then.
- About $85 billion in spending cuts to defense and domestic programs would take weeks or longer to take effect. That means government agencies wouldn't cut jobs right away.
If a short-term agreement is struck, some taxes would probably still go up. These would include a 2 percentage point cut in Social Security taxes that's been in place for two years. Its expiration would cost the typical household about $1,000. With income gains sluggish, that could dampen consumer spending.
A temporary deal that delays some hard decisions could reduce business and consumer confidence. It would also mean:
- Extended unemployment benefits would end for 2 million people. The federal government's program pays for about 32 weeks of extra benefits, on average, on top of the 26 weeks most states provide. Weekly unemployment checks average about $320 nationwide.
- The stock market would probably drop, though maybe not by much. Many Wall Street analysts expect a partial deal of some kind. "There is starting to become a little bit of an acceptance that we fall off the fiscal cliff," said J.J. Kinahan, a strategist for TD Ameritrade.
- The expiration of the Social Security tax cut and the end of emergency unemployment benefits would likely shave 0.7 percentage point off economic growth next year, the CBO estimates. The economy is now growing at about a 2 percent annual pace.
If no deal at all was reached by January and budget talks dragged on, many businesses might put off investment or hiring. That's why most economists say it would be crucial to reach a deal within roughly the first two months of 2013.
Higher taxes would hit poorer people particularly hard. That's partly because many tax cuts and credits aimed at lower-income households would end. Even modest tax increases take a bigger toll on those with less income to begin with. For a married couple with an income between $20,000 and $30,000, taxes would rise $1,423 next year, according to the Tax Policy Center.
In addition, many more people would be affected if something called the alternative minimum tax isn't fixed.
The financially painful AMT was designed to prevent rich people from exploiting loopholes and deductions to avoid any income tax. But the AMT wasn't indexed for inflation, so it has increasingly threatened middle-income taxpayers. Congress has acted each year for a decade to prevent the AMT from hitting many more people.
If it isn't fixed again, roughly 33 million taxpayers, including married couples with income as low as $45,000 - down from $74,450 in 2011- could face the AMT. Previously, only 5 million taxpayers had to pay it. Taxpayers subject to the AMT must calculate their tax under both the regular system and the AMT and pay the larger amount.
The IRS has said it assumes Congress and the White House will fix the AMT in a deal to avoid the cliff. If they don't, the IRS will need weeks to reprogram computers and make other adjustments. In the meantime, about 100 million taxpayers couldn't file tax returns early next year because they couldn't determine whether they owe the AMT. Refunds would be delayed.
The gravest scenario would be if the budget talks collapsed and the tax increases and spending cuts appeared to be permanent.
In that case, Macroeconomic Advisors warns that the Dow could plunge up to 2,000 points within days. Businesses would turn gloomier in anticipation of Americans paying higher taxes and spending less.
The economy would shrink at an annual rate of 0.6 percent in the first three months of 2013, estimates Joel Prakken, an economist at Macroeconomic Advisors. That compares with an estimated 1.9 percent growth rate if a deal is reached. CBO forecasts that the unemployment rate would rise to 9.1 percent from the current 7.7 percent.
Last week, Obama and House Speaker John Boehner narrowed their differences on income tax increases and spending cuts. But with the two sides deadlocked, Boehner scheduled a vote on a bill to prevent taxes from rising on those earning less than $1 million a year. Opposition from anti-tax conservatives, and Democrats, forced him to cancel the vote.
The gridlock caused stocks to fall Friday. The Dow Jones industrial average dropped 121 points.
Obama called for a vote on a stripped-down agreement that would raise taxes only on the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans and extend emergency unemployment benefits. Automatic spending cuts would be postponed.
Whatever the outcome, some trends could offset part of the economic damage. The average retail price for gasoline has dropped 15 percent this fall, for example. Lower gas prices give consumers more money to spend elsewhere.
And if the crisis is resolved, as many expect, the boost to business and consumer confidence would encourage more hiring and spending.
"We could end up with a much more robust recovery than anybody's envisioned" if a deal is reached, said David Cote, CEO of Honeywell International.
Huge tax increases. Deep cuts in domestic and defense programs. The likelihood of sinking stock prices, reduced consumer spending and corporate layoffs. The risk of a recession within months.
Still, the start of 2013 may turn out to be far less bleak than feared. For one thing, the two sides may strike a short-term agreement before New Year's that postpones spending cuts until spring. President Barack Obama and members of Congress return to Washington Thursday.
Even if New Year's passed with no deal, businesses and consumers would not likely panic as long as some agreement seemed imminent. The tax increases and spending cuts could be retroactively repealed.
And the impact of the tax increases would be felt only gradually. Most people would receive slightly less money in each paycheck.
"The simple conclusion that going off the cliff necessarily means a recession next year is wrong," says Lewis Alexander, an economist at Nomura Securities. "It will ultimately depend on how long the policies are in place."
It's always possible that negotiations between President Obama and Republican congressional leaders will collapse in acrimony. The prospect of permanent tax increases and spending cuts could cause many consumers and businesses to delay spending, hiring or expanding.
Without any agreement at all for months, the fiscal cliff would cause the U.S. economy to shrink 0.5 percent in the first half of 2013 and fall into recession, the Congressional Budget Office estimates.
But most economists expect a deal, if not by New Year's then soon after. Businesses and consumers will likely remain calm as long as negotiators seem to be moving toward an agreement.
"The atmosphere is more important than whether the talks spill" into next year, said Paul Ashworth, an economist at Capital Economics.
Here's why many are optimistic that a brief fall over the cliff wouldn't derail the economic recovery:
- Though the fiscal cliff would cost the economy an estimated $671 billion for all of 2013, the tax hit for most people would be slight at first. The expiration of Social Security and income tax cuts would be spread throughout 2013. For taxpayers with incomes of $40,000 to $65,000, paychecks would shrink an average of about $1,500 next year but an average of just $130 in January, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.
- About a third of the tax increases wouldn't touch most Americans. Some would hit businesses. Others, such as higher taxes on investment income and estates, and the expiration of middle-income tax credits, wouldn't come due until Americans filed their 2013 taxes in 2014.
- The Internal Revenue Service has delayed any increases in tax withholding that would otherwise kick in. Without a deal, the top income tax rate for single people with taxable income between about $36,000 and $88,000 would rise from 25 percent to 28 percent. But that won't start to reduce Americans' paychecks in early January, even if no deal is reached by then.
- About $85 billion in spending cuts to defense and domestic programs would take weeks or longer to take effect. That means government agencies wouldn't cut jobs right away.
If a short-term agreement is struck, some taxes would probably still go up. These would include a 2 percentage point cut in Social Security taxes that's been in place for two years. Its expiration would cost the typical household about $1,000. With income gains sluggish, that could dampen consumer spending.
A temporary deal that delays some hard decisions could reduce business and consumer confidence. It would also mean:
- Extended unemployment benefits would end for 2 million people. The federal government's program pays for about 32 weeks of extra benefits, on average, on top of the 26 weeks most states provide. Weekly unemployment checks average about $320 nationwide.
- The stock market would probably drop, though maybe not by much. Many Wall Street analysts expect a partial deal of some kind. "There is starting to become a little bit of an acceptance that we fall off the fiscal cliff," said J.J. Kinahan, a strategist for TD Ameritrade.
- The expiration of the Social Security tax cut and the end of emergency unemployment benefits would likely shave 0.7 percentage point off economic growth next year, the CBO estimates. The economy is now growing at about a 2 percent annual pace.
If no deal at all was reached by January and budget talks dragged on, many businesses might put off investment or hiring. That's why most economists say it would be crucial to reach a deal within roughly the first two months of 2013.
Higher taxes would hit poorer people particularly hard. That's partly because many tax cuts and credits aimed at lower-income households would end. Even modest tax increases take a bigger toll on those with less income to begin with. For a married couple with an income between $20,000 and $30,000, taxes would rise $1,423 next year, according to the Tax Policy Center.
In addition, many more people would be affected if something called the alternative minimum tax isn't fixed.
The financially painful AMT was designed to prevent rich people from exploiting loopholes and deductions to avoid any income tax. But the AMT wasn't indexed for inflation, so it has increasingly threatened middle-income taxpayers. Congress has acted each year for a decade to prevent the AMT from hitting many more people.
If it isn't fixed again, roughly 33 million taxpayers, including married couples with income as low as $45,000 - down from $74,450 in 2011- could face the AMT. Previously, only 5 million taxpayers had to pay it. Taxpayers subject to the AMT must calculate their tax under both the regular system and the AMT and pay the larger amount.
The IRS has said it assumes Congress and the White House will fix the AMT in a deal to avoid the cliff. If they don't, the IRS will need weeks to reprogram computers and make other adjustments. In the meantime, about 100 million taxpayers couldn't file tax returns early next year because they couldn't determine whether they owe the AMT. Refunds would be delayed.
The gravest scenario would be if the budget talks collapsed and the tax increases and spending cuts appeared to be permanent.
In that case, Macroeconomic Advisors warns that the Dow could plunge up to 2,000 points within days. Businesses would turn gloomier in anticipation of Americans paying higher taxes and spending less.
The economy would shrink at an annual rate of 0.6 percent in the first three months of 2013, estimates Joel Prakken, an economist at Macroeconomic Advisors. That compares with an estimated 1.9 percent growth rate if a deal is reached. CBO forecasts that the unemployment rate would rise to 9.1 percent from the current 7.7 percent.
Last week, Obama and House Speaker John Boehner narrowed their differences on income tax increases and spending cuts. But with the two sides deadlocked, Boehner scheduled a vote on a bill to prevent taxes from rising on those earning less than $1 million a year. Opposition from anti-tax conservatives, and Democrats, forced him to cancel the vote.
The gridlock caused stocks to fall Friday. The Dow Jones industrial average dropped 121 points.
Obama called for a vote on a stripped-down agreement that would raise taxes only on the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans and extend emergency unemployment benefits. Automatic spending cuts would be postponed.
Whatever the outcome, some trends could offset part of the economic damage. The average retail price for gasoline has dropped 15 percent this fall, for example. Lower gas prices give consumers more money to spend elsewhere.
And if the crisis is resolved, as many expect, the boost to business and consumer confidence would encourage more hiring and spending.
"We could end up with a much more robust recovery than anybody's envisioned" if a deal is reached, said David Cote, CEO of Honeywell International.
Obama stands ready to cave to everything he said he wouldn't budge on just like every issue he said "He wouldn't budge on" since his first election. He has had SSI and Medicare on the table even without the least bit of leverage from the republicans.
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I believe he was chosen to install the inroads necessary for the privatization of SSI and Medicare just like Clinton was chosen to get NAFTAÂ done and Glass Steagal done away with.
We the people are the one's to blame for letting this government get out of control the way it has. There's been to much apathy over the decades and while the American people were complaining that there's nothing we can do about it the politicians have been having a field day. Until the polticians are held accountable for their actions and until we demand MORE from them we will continue to get the same old same old. They've come to rely on the apathy coming from the majority of Americans about how they run this country.
Democrats, Republicans, independents, and anarchists; all of us will be affected the same.
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People on here are just as bad as our politicians, quit the partisan BS and get a deal done!
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There is no Cliff... or at least, the cuts and tax increases would be long term beneficial, relative to our current debt accumulation. Â The sky is not falling.Â
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 @virtual anomaly "Recession"
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Thats a pretty easy assumption given that we are in the 5th year of a depression with no moves to get people working in a consumer based economy.
Listen now there saying the economy can be ok for a short period of time if we go over this so call cliff, but in reality we would go back to the tax rate of the Clinton area which I believe everyone did very well. I say go over this so call cliff and see what happens in a year if problems occur the they can take action as needed. The defense would have lots of spending cut and the only ones against that are the companies and politicians who are war mongers.
We can survive. Can the republicans?
 @DDG I think it was Obama that said "I get that for free". Who is not negotiating? Hmmm... let me think.Â
umm the winner of the election is not negotiating. GOOD for him!! Go over the cliff
@Alikelystorey That is not the way this country works. We are not a dictatorship....
@JCCBlvu @DDG No idea what you are talking about, but if you watch any other news except the FOX political stations you would know bonner cant even get his on party to go with his so call plan b which he made up, WHAY ASSHAME.
@DDG  I forgot. The Democratic Kool-Aid is OK but the Republican is not.  I'll keep that in mind from now on.
@JCCBlvu @nunof uors Open your eyes and quit drinking the republican cool aid.
 @nunof uors  The President wants to go off the cliff. Obama has not put forward a plan. Reid has failed to pass a budget in four-years. How is this one party's fault in your opinion?
No kick the can politics anymore....any delays are just a cop out by Obama... DON'T DO IT... tell them DEAL or NO Deal those mandatory cuts are going to happen one way or the other!
@Freespeech listen Obama can only sign the law in or veto it, it is up to the politicians that are in the senate and house to send a bill to the president to sign or veto OK.
 @nunof uors and like I said... any bill Obama signs that does not address this issue here and now is just kicking the can further down the road and we will do this crap all over again in a few months... so I hope he signs nothing until everything is covered! ... they should not be putting in any other crap in regard to the tax breaks - that goes for unemployment and spending cap increase etc.... it is either keep them or they ALL go away... allowing them to delay the financial cuts to the DoD in anyway as opposed to making a deal cannot and shall not be signed in by Obama PERIOD!
Don't expect to much coming out of Washington we've already had 4 years of nothing getting done..
The worst thing for all of us is if they postpone or shelve the spending cuts, especially at the Pentagon. And my gut tells me that that is exactly what's going to happen. When it comes to Defense spending, both parties are flat out horrible. Pay close attention to our female senators from Washington. I'm sure they will be out there doing the bidding of Boeing.Â
Lets be honest, the Democrats desire the Fiscal Cliff because it takes us back to the Clinton era Tax structure increasing taxes for lower/middle class between 3% and 5%. The good news for Democracts is that no matter the outcome the Republicans lose. What I want to see is our elected politicians work together to ensure that the lower/middle class Americans don't get hit with a tax increase like we had during the Clinton days. I am tired of our Government taxing the middle class into poverty!
 @gastoys According to the story, my family can expect to pay an additional $110-$125 per month in taxes. We are definitely the lower end of middle class (for Washington). How frustrating that during the campaign all that was talked about was policies that wouldn't hurt the middle class. Well, that's is every penny of disposable income we have left after paying bills (and we are super frugal)...what a bummer.--- we already shop sales, clip coupons, buy in bulk-- Sad.
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@WA State Mom Your story and millions more across the U.S. will be greatly impacted if our politicians don't act now! The lower and middle class continue to get taxed into poverty yet the same politicians that "claim" to be for the lower and middle class Americans turn their backs. With gas prices going up (another 8 cent tax per gallon coming soon), new tolls on bridges/roads, additional taxes at the state, local level and higher energy prices/taxes all drive prices up at the grocery stores hitting Americans harder.
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@deadcandance The Federal Reserve Chairman, no matter who it is, runs the economy of this country; always has always will......that is the most powerful person in America!
Hey, according to the financial advisors at the White House, the economy is thriving even though holiday shopping was way down......feed the sheep lies and they continue to follow. Our economy is still failing and once the end of the year inventory at stores is complete, the holidy workers will be back in the unemployment lines.....here we go again. Cliff or no cliff........nothing we the citizens can do......stuck with these idiots in the WH and Congress!
@mustang sally I bet you watch FOX news, watch some other channel any other channel and get the right info before spewing non sense.
America is resiliant, we can survive the "Fsical Cliff" but if we don't have to endure it why should we. Both sides need to come together (that means they need to get their butts to DC) and figure this out. We pay them to solve our problems and lead us to safety, not drop everything, go on vacation etc. Do our service memebers, police, firefighters just drop what they are doing in a time of crisis and take a vacation, enjoy the holidays with their families? No! the get in there, get the job done and then take a break.Â
@Jeff Valdez It's not the cliff, but the people in charge don't give a rat's rear how Common Joe feels. That includes all the politicians.....national and local. They only look out for themselves; wonderful vacations, free healthcare, franking, etc.
@mustang sally WOW what dis you are, this is the riches nation in the would and we are the worst in taking care of our own, I am doing fine and can afford to pay more in taxes to help those less fortunate them me, we have to work together or we as a country will fail together--dumbass REP.
A fall off the fiscal cliff now would be much better than letting our debt keep mounting. I'd take a 5 foot drop now vs a plunge into the grand canyon in a few years.
you don't have to be Nostradamus to see our future.. Just look at Greece and Europe..
@vadersith Your an idiot, there governments are nothing like ours so the is noway in hell we would fall into that type of scenario, stop watching FOX news please.
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time will tell won't it.. by the way i don't watch any mainstream media.. I'm a grown up and don't need mommy ( fake stream media ) to tell me what to think or say.. your welcome to try again..
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@vadersith  Some countries in Europe are doing a lot better than we are. Pretty silly to lump all of Europe together.Â
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your correct some are.. My point was what's happening with all the countries who's debt. has created austerity.. which i believe will be us if we don't adjust our spending habits pronto..
News flash......these idiots in Washington aren't concerned about the average American, and how this "fiscal cliff" might effect us. As long as they and their special interests are fat and happy, they're drive this bus over the edge without thinking twice about it. Guess what.....they and their special interests ARE fat and happy. Put on your seatbelts folks, it's gonna be a bumpy year.
Nothing new said here, it's politics as usual no matter who is in charge, Dems or Repubs!
I can't believe that folks voted this guy back in. He can't seem to get anything done except for raising the national debt at record rates. When he took over from Bush, the debt was $10T, after 4 years, he increased this by 60% to $16T, at this rate and another 4 years we will be at $25T. He's obviously not ale to accomplish what needs to be accomplished and unable to balance a check book either.
@TheSkyIsFalling this guy(Obama) does not make the laws he just signs or vetos the bills sent from the congress, it is up to the house and senate to pass a bill so he can take action on that bill, please no how are gov. works before making a dumb comment like that.
I hate to burst your simplified bubble of understanding regarding our deficits, but Obama is not to blame for most of our debt in the last few years.  Government is put on a path, and it is very difficult to change course.  The fact of the matter is that our deficits each year are coming down. The deficit for 2012 is the lowest it has been since 2008 and lower than in 2011 by hudreds of billions. People don't understand the hole that Bush put us in with cutting taxes, borrowing trillions for phony war, and the economy that he left us, which further decreased tax revenue. But who am I kidding, the Obama haters have never worried their little heads with reality.  Blaming Obama for everything is much easier.Â
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 Let me remind you where we were when Clinton left office. 4 years of balanced budgets and a budget surplus handed to Bush.  He handed Bush the blueprint to eliminate our entire debt within 15 years or so.    Â
 @lakeview When the budgets for the Clinton years were done Republicans controlled Congress. it was Republicans who forced Clinton to follow budgets. As of this time the Democrats in the Senate refuse to bring up a budget,one presented by Obama was shot down 99-1. Even democrats couldn't swallow that much pork.Â
 the current money spending has been set in motion by the Congress,Democrats have controlled congress the last two years of President Bush.Â
@lakeview I agree with your statements, but lets be clear that the Bush cut taxes were for everyone not just the rich! The lower/middle class Americans continue to get taxed into poverty, Bush allowed the lower/middle tax Americans to recapture between 3% and 5% of their earned income that the Clinton administration removed. Spending, borrowing to pay for wars Bush supported yet approved by Hillary Clinton and John Kerrry including our very own Maria Cantwell (ensure we include the other branches of Government) as well as the Housing Market catastrophe is what got us into the mess in the first place. Remember, we are still on the Bush tax cuts so by your arguments cutting taxes lower deficits. :)
 @lakeview So lets see here Clinton great , blame Bush, but don't blame obama ,got it. Partisan much?
@2times "Deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
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@2times  Funny how you can't dispute anything that I said.Â
 @TheSkyIsFalling He will be remembered by historians as one of this country's better presidents. Indeed, he is.
@felines99 @TheSkyIsFalling Hope that's your Christmas joke!
 @felines99  @TheSkyIsFalling Amen.
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Anyone who denies this is a republican in denial and/or a racist
 @sunnysandiego  @felines99  @TheSkyIsFalling Well I'm neither, so... what now?
@lakeview Very valid comments and I agree with you, but Bush was greatly opposed too which is understandable especially at the end of his term - I think the media has hyped this up more than what it truly is. I don't have a problem with 95% of the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street folks as they are every day Americans voicing their concerns and frustrations. What I have a probelm with is our elected politicians not performing their civil duty as elected officials of the office they were sworn into by the people, for the people. We all have to stick together and call everyone out - only pointing out Fox News, Tea Party and Koch Brother, yet not pointing out NBC, Soros and Unions is disingenuous.
@2times  Nancy Pelosi and the Dems went along with just about everything that he proposed including war, torture, illegal wiretapping, you name it. The only major legislation that Bush failed to get done was privitazation of Social Security. I was alive, and I was paying attention. How about you?
 @lakeview "never before in my lifetime have I seen one side oppose a president" Oh really ? I guess you were not alive when Bush was president.
@gastoys I agree that Obama has failed to lead the government, but never before in my lifetime have I seen one side oppose a president like he has been opposed. Senate minority leader saying his number one political goal is to ruin the president? When has that ever happened before? Boehner can't even lead his troops to agree with him. Why is it any surprise that those same House members refuse to be led by Obama?Â
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The GOP is having an identity crisis. Anyone who shows any inkling to play ball with Obama on ANYTHING faces a primary challenge from Tea Party/Koch Brothers money.Â
@sunnysandiego @felines99 @TheSkyIsFalling I am an intelligent, educated liberal and do not agree with your statements. Obama is a magnificent icon, a brand, but not a leader.