Hostess lives another day to mediate with union

WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. (AP) - Twinkies will live to see another day.
Hostess Brands Inc. and its second largest union agreed on Monday to go into mediation to try to resolve their differences after a bankruptcy court judge concluded that the parties hadn't gone through the critical step. That means the maker of the spongy cake with the mysterious cream in the middle won't go out of business yet.
The news comes after the maker of Ho Ho's, Ding Dongs and Wonder Bread last week moved to liquidate and sell off its assets in bankruptcy court. The company cited a crippling strike started on Nov. 9 by the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union that started, which represents about 30 percent of Hostess workers.
"Many people, myself included, have serious questions as to the logic behind this strike," said Judge Robert Drain, who heard the case in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in the Southern District of New York in White Plains, N.Y. "Not to have gone through that step leaves a huge question mark in this case."
The mediation talks are expected to begin Tuesday, with the liquidation hearing set to resume on Wednesday. After Monday's hearing, Jeff Freund, an attorney for the bakers union, said any guess as to how the talks will go would be "purely speculative."
In an interview following the hearing, CEO Gregory Rayburn said that there is enormous financial pressure to come to an agreement with the union by the end of the day Tuesday. He noted that it's costing Hostess about $1 million a day in payroll costs alone to keep the company alive.
"We didn't think we had a runway, but the judge just created a 24-hour runway," said Rayburn, who added that even if a contract agreement is reached, it's unclear whether all 33 Hostess plants operate again.
Hostess, weighed down by debt, management turmoil, rising labor costs and the changing tastes of America, decided on Friday that it no longer could make it through a conventional Chapter 11 bankruptcy restructuring. Instead, the company, which is based in Irving, Texas, asked the court for permission to sell assets and go out of business.
Hostess, which is in its second bankruptcy in less than a decade, said that it was saddled with costs related to its unionized workforce. So the company brought on Rayburn as a restructuring expert to renegotiate its contract with labor unions.
Hostess, which had been contributing $100 million a year in pension costs for workers, offered them a new contract that would've slashed that to $25 million a year, in addition to wage cuts and a 17 percent reduction in health benefits. But the bakery union decided to strike.
By that time, Hostess had reached a contract agreement with its largest union, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, which urged the bakery union to hold a secret ballot on whether to continue striking. Although many bakery workers decided to cross picket lines this week, Hostess said it wasn't enough to keep operations at normal levels.
Rayburn said that Hostess was already operating on razor thin margins and that the strike was the final blow. The company's announcement on Friday that it would move to liquidate prompted people across the country to rush to stores and stock up on their favorite Hostess treats. Many businesses reported selling out of Twinkies within hours and the spongy yellow cakes turned up for sale online for hundreds of dollars.
Even if Hostess goes out of business, its popular brands will likely find a second life after being snapped up by buyers. The company says several potential buyers have expressed interest in the brands. Although Hostess' sales have been declining in recent years, the company still does about $2.5 billion in business each year. Twinkies along brought in $68 million so far this year.
Hostess Brands Inc. and its second largest union agreed on Monday to go into mediation to try to resolve their differences after a bankruptcy court judge concluded that the parties hadn't gone through the critical step. That means the maker of the spongy cake with the mysterious cream in the middle won't go out of business yet.
The news comes after the maker of Ho Ho's, Ding Dongs and Wonder Bread last week moved to liquidate and sell off its assets in bankruptcy court. The company cited a crippling strike started on Nov. 9 by the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union that started, which represents about 30 percent of Hostess workers.
"Many people, myself included, have serious questions as to the logic behind this strike," said Judge Robert Drain, who heard the case in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in the Southern District of New York in White Plains, N.Y. "Not to have gone through that step leaves a huge question mark in this case."
The mediation talks are expected to begin Tuesday, with the liquidation hearing set to resume on Wednesday. After Monday's hearing, Jeff Freund, an attorney for the bakers union, said any guess as to how the talks will go would be "purely speculative."
In an interview following the hearing, CEO Gregory Rayburn said that there is enormous financial pressure to come to an agreement with the union by the end of the day Tuesday. He noted that it's costing Hostess about $1 million a day in payroll costs alone to keep the company alive.
"We didn't think we had a runway, but the judge just created a 24-hour runway," said Rayburn, who added that even if a contract agreement is reached, it's unclear whether all 33 Hostess plants operate again.
Hostess, weighed down by debt, management turmoil, rising labor costs and the changing tastes of America, decided on Friday that it no longer could make it through a conventional Chapter 11 bankruptcy restructuring. Instead, the company, which is based in Irving, Texas, asked the court for permission to sell assets and go out of business.
Hostess, which is in its second bankruptcy in less than a decade, said that it was saddled with costs related to its unionized workforce. So the company brought on Rayburn as a restructuring expert to renegotiate its contract with labor unions.
Hostess, which had been contributing $100 million a year in pension costs for workers, offered them a new contract that would've slashed that to $25 million a year, in addition to wage cuts and a 17 percent reduction in health benefits. But the bakery union decided to strike.
By that time, Hostess had reached a contract agreement with its largest union, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, which urged the bakery union to hold a secret ballot on whether to continue striking. Although many bakery workers decided to cross picket lines this week, Hostess said it wasn't enough to keep operations at normal levels.
Rayburn said that Hostess was already operating on razor thin margins and that the strike was the final blow. The company's announcement on Friday that it would move to liquidate prompted people across the country to rush to stores and stock up on their favorite Hostess treats. Many businesses reported selling out of Twinkies within hours and the spongy yellow cakes turned up for sale online for hundreds of dollars.
Even if Hostess goes out of business, its popular brands will likely find a second life after being snapped up by buyers. The company says several potential buyers have expressed interest in the brands. Although Hostess' sales have been declining in recent years, the company still does about $2.5 billion in business each year. Twinkies along brought in $68 million so far this year.
Dear Hostess worker, this may be your last chance. I'm not sure your union is your best bet.
 @MidnightRambler Rambler... their union is one of the reasons they have a "last chance" at some assemblance of fairness
 The biggest question no seems to ask or ponder. Why if businesses are so bad and greedy in the eyes of Progressives and Democrats,why do their pension funds keep investing in them ? If you receive a pension,where do you think the money comes from ? Investments in BIG BUSINESS . Get a clue. keep chasing out businesses is like a chicken volunteering to work for Col. Sanders.Â
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@Wildstar I've been making money selling Hostess products on eBay! Hopefully the fact that they aren't going out of business quite yet doesn't detour my good sales. LOL
I'm confused here, so please cut me some slack.
How is it the right of the government or the courts to say they can't close the doors?
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Why should they be forced to go deeper in debt for not wanting to embrace the idea?
This type of logic is why the uber rich send their work/factories/buying offshore. We used to punish bad behaviour and praise the good. Now we punish the good, and elevate the bad to acceptable or prefered. And then we whine about it.
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Common sense has left the building.
@bobalouie Hostess is filing for bankruptcy. That is mediated by a judge to ensure proper disposition of assets. Bankrupty is saying bills can't be paid. So if you are a creditor, you want to be sure the company going out of business is not able to pay some money back.
I bought a bed from the old Sears furniture store. I paid $800.00 for but never got. So after a few phone calls and a run around I went to the store and a notice was taped to the door saying store in bankruptcy. After they settled, I got $200.00 back and no bed.
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So that is why a judge can tell them to keep trying, because some people are going to loose a lot of money.
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So, this is not a commie thing or government over stepping. It is there to protect people who lent them money and protect pension money employees paid into.
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Ask Romney, that was his business.
 @snoopy84  @bobalouie Too bad the same didn't happen with GM and Chrysler.Â
@Maynard G Krebbs @bobalouie Why is that, are they doing to well?
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At that time, there was no private money to keep those companies together. Even Romney said that until he flip then flopped and some where took credit.
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Read the "Wall Street Journal" they really explain these things well. The only problem with auto bail out was, President Obama had the guts to do it.
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 @bobalouie Its an obama world.
 @CrankyPanky  @bobalouie Yup, those union labor laws and collective bargaining rights sure were Obama's idea! Yup yup! Gotta blame Obama for everything!
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Never mind that the laws the judge is citing have been around a LOT longer than Obama has.
 @CrankyPanky  @bobalouie Yup, those collective bargaining rights sure were Obama's idea! Yup, sure is!
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Nevermind that union labor rules have been around a lot longer than Obama has.
 @Maynard G Krebbs  @CrankyPanky  @bobalouie I think you missed the point of my post. It's not that I have any particular statement about the laws themselves. It's that they've been around a LOT longer than Obama, and CrankyPanky's statement that this is somehow related to our current president is utter bull.
 @KieferSkunk  @CrankyPanky  @bobalouie The company was in bankruptcy court ,all labor contracts are void. if you would know your history you would not be so bound and determined to repeat it. Take a look at the steel industry gone bankrupted by unions. Auto industry,legacy cost taken over by tax payer ,bankrupted by unions,still on life support. Trucking bankrupted by unions,Teamsters now no longer do any trucking . Textiles ,gone bankrupted by unions. Most of these businesses still exist in other countries. besides government regulations ,Unions have been the largest cause of sending jobs and manufacturing overseas.Â
It must be owned by a Republican boss,we all know that they have been trying
to crack our Unions !
 @scychan How did you ever figure this one out?  You must be pretty smart.  Republicans are overwhelmingly in favor of killing jobs and running people out of business.  That's their platform alright... <gag>
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In all seriousness, businesses are in businesses to MAKE money. Â When unions demand that their guys are paid more and given expensive benefits, it drives costs up. Â Consumers aren't willing to buy $5 Twinkies in order to make sure the company stays profitable. Â So all of these labor costs drive down profits. Â
 @JoeKing2  @scychan And in turn, when companies fail to pay their employees or give them the benefits they're due, the employees quit, they go on strike, they go work for competitors, and they drive businesses like Hostess out of business.
 @scychan Every time a union thug loses a job an angel gets his wings.
a person has to be nuts to be an employer today as the government and unions compete to run your business.
 @contraryjim Jim.... most of you seem to being excelling at being nuts without any government or union input as it is.Â
 The only thing better then 18,000 unionized obama voters losing their jobs would have been if they were government workers.
 @CrankyPanky these are people who live down the street from you... your neighbors...and you are rejoicing that they lost their job? What an ahol
 @TruthinAdverts  @CrankyPanky The Internet has a word to describe people like CrankyPanky. I believe it's "Troll".
@CrankyPanky -- Unfortunately only 5,000 of those that lost their jobs were union.Â
 @CrankyPanky Awesome broad generalization.
Not seeing any way out. Sounds like the executives of Hostess are are already looting what ever is left.
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 @brewzbrothers The executives work for the owners- and the company belongs to them. it is the unions that are looters
 @brewzbrothers Actually, it is the hedge fund that will be getting any benefit to the sell off. This argument really came down to the folks that held the bulk of the debt that Hostess had, and the Bakers union. Really good article regarding the demise of the company here and who really were the players.
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/49853653
The Mayans predicted the end of Twinkies 3 weeks before the end of the world. Well played Mayans... ;)
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 @The WA Mama oh brother.  It's not that they predicted the end of twinkies, LOL!
@oledawg Gotta have a little fun with it!
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 @oledawg  @The WA Mama it's a language shift....End of Times...End of Twinkies.......
 @The WA Mama But you messed up the whole joke by saying "The Mayans predicted the end of Twinkies"
I think a government bailout is in order to save the 'iconic' Twinkies factory LOL
Hostess, the American cockroach of business, can't kill the dang thing....
 @Windowseat Twinkies outlive cockroaches so you have something there
How about the $1 billion in debt Hostess was in before the strike, most of which comes from loans taken out over the last decade that have nothing to do with the union and everything to do with shoddy management. Let's not forget about that. 7 ceo's in 10 years has nothing to do with the union.
 @Sanctuary Who agreed to the union's wage demands? you are correct it was management fault for not bankrupting earlier and forcing the union out.
 @Sanctuary This is a private company not the government. They do not owe you anything. If they want to close the doors then let them. The only place I have seen where government gets involved with the private sector is in Europe and we all know how the French are...
 @Grumpa  @Sanctuary Not so fast, they are in bankruptcy court, the judge is trying to arrange it so the company's creditors get at least partially paid back. If negotiating further with the union helps preserve the remaining assets of the company, that is good.
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Either way, the CEO's will get to walk away with millions I'm sure, while the workers get screwed out of their retirement.Â
 @Susabelle  @Insomniac Dreams  @Sanctuary You are right there! I am a consultant and fund my own retirement. If I lose a client or two then the retirement fund does not grow. Hostess should have looked at the market they were in, and made some big changes to go forward. It is a shame that so many people are the victims of bad business practices within the company. But that goes with the territory. I did have one pension fund from a previous employer, but the company like Hostess, went out of business before I could pull anything and the fund went away. Good luck out there!
 @Insomniac Dreams  @Grumpa  @Sanctuary That actually brings up a really great point that ALL of us should be looking at. Self funded or Third-Party funded retirement. Self funded is great with a strong company....as long as they stay strong.....but then what do you do when your market walks out the door.
 @Grumpa  @Sanctuary Dont overlook the Banks and the Auto Industry....Â
 @Louise Scott  @Susabelle  @Grumpa True, true........I guess I forgot they lost that in 2004 during their last bankruptcy proceeding...
@Susabelle @Grumpa @Sanctuary The banks and auto industry are not privately held...they are publicly traded!
 @Sanctuary Not to mention the massive CEO pay raises in the midst of bankruptcy.
 @mhungry The CEO of Hostess got a... wait for it.... 300% pay raise for the year 2012. And you don't think the employees are mad? All these lifetime hard workers for Hostess will lose their jobs because of cheap greedy executives who see a raise is fit for them, but not for their employees.
 @Sanctuary But what is the debt for? I'm not disagreeing with you on shoddy management, but I'm curious as to the nature of the debt.......new equipment, retirement funding, luxury cruise? With out knowing the background of the debt, it is difficult to say.Â
This is a time for the bakers to come prepared to compromise. 75% of the Hostess' worker have. I don't know if the deal was good or bad but they agreed. Now the bakers need to consider this when they prepare to have their co-workers out of work.Â
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In these times, a smaller check is better than no check.In this case, it would a little increase is better than no check.
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So start baking those Twinkies-502 is about to kick in.
 @snoopy84 Great write up here
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/18/1162786/-Inside-the-Hostess-Bankery
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What was this last/best/final offer? You'd never know by watching the main stream media tell the story. So here you go...
1) 8% hourly pay cut in year 1 with additional cuts totaling 27% over 5 years. Currently, I make $16.12 an hour at TOP rate of pay in the bakery. I would drop to $11.26 in 5 years.
 2) They get to keep our $3+ an hour forever.
 3) Doubling of weekly insurance premium.
 4) Lowering of overall quality of insurance plan.
5) TOTAL withdrawal from ALL pensions. If you don't have it now then you never will.
Remember how I said I made $48,000 in 2005 and $34,000 last year? I would make $25,000 in 5 years if I took their offer.
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 That $3+ per hour they steal totaled $50 million last year that they never paid us. They sold $2.5 BILLION in product last year. If they can't make this profitable without stealing my money then good riddance.
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 @T H I S  @snoopy84 The dailykos, LOL no wonder you have so much hate. Total commie blog nice.