2 naturopaths charged for clearing pot use at Hempfest

SEATTLE (AP) - Washington state regulators have issued charges against two naturopathic doctors accused of rubber-stamping medical marijuana authorizations, after a Seattle Times reporter wrote a front-page feature about how easy it was to obtain permission from them.
The Department of Health filed the complaints Tuesday against Drs. Carolyn Lee Bearss and Dimitrios Jimmy Magiasis, saying they provided substandard care when they each treated more than 100 patients over three days during last year's Hempfest marijuana legalization event in Seattle.
It's the first time doctors in the state have faced such charges, Health Department spokesman Tim Church said. Last month, a Tacoma osteopath was charged with advertising that he writes marijuana authorizations.
"We license health care providers, and we expect them to meet certain standards of care," Church said. "We expect they'll do a thorough exam with somebody, check their records, do an X-ray if necessary, before they decide what's best for that patient."
The charges say the doctors did little to review patient histories, document the 15-minute exams or their diagnoses, and that they failed to establish an ongoing patient-doctor relationship as required by the state's medical marijuana law. In some cases, the charges say, patients were approved to use pot even though their conditions did not meet the law's definitions of terminal or intractable pain.
In some cases, the charges say, the naturopaths authorized patients to use marijuana to treat bad headaches, without doing anything to determine whether the headaches might have been caused by a serious condition such as a tumor.
Bearss did not immediately return a call seeking comment, and Magiasis, through a receptionist, declined to speak with The Associated Press.
At Hempfest, the doctors worked in a tent sponsored by 4Evergreen Group LLC, a medical marijuana services company. Patients paid $150 for exams if they had medical records with them, and $200 if they didn't. Some waited in line for hours.
Bearss examined 106 patients and Magiasis examined 110, the charges say. Each authorized all but one patient to use marijuana.
One of the patients Bearss authorized was Seattle Times reporter Jonathan Martin, who complained of intermittent back pain. Martin wrote a front-page feature about his experience titled "No medical records? No problem. Got my pot card at Hempfest."
Church said the story prompted the Department of Health to start investigating the pair. He noted that none of the patients treated at Hempfest complained about the quality of care.
"You can guess why that might be," he said.
The charges can result in a broad range of disciplinary measures, from continuing education or a fine to a license suspension or revocation. The charged doctors have 20 days to respond.
The Department of Health filed the complaints Tuesday against Drs. Carolyn Lee Bearss and Dimitrios Jimmy Magiasis, saying they provided substandard care when they each treated more than 100 patients over three days during last year's Hempfest marijuana legalization event in Seattle.
It's the first time doctors in the state have faced such charges, Health Department spokesman Tim Church said. Last month, a Tacoma osteopath was charged with advertising that he writes marijuana authorizations.
"We license health care providers, and we expect them to meet certain standards of care," Church said. "We expect they'll do a thorough exam with somebody, check their records, do an X-ray if necessary, before they decide what's best for that patient."
The charges say the doctors did little to review patient histories, document the 15-minute exams or their diagnoses, and that they failed to establish an ongoing patient-doctor relationship as required by the state's medical marijuana law. In some cases, the charges say, patients were approved to use pot even though their conditions did not meet the law's definitions of terminal or intractable pain.
In some cases, the charges say, the naturopaths authorized patients to use marijuana to treat bad headaches, without doing anything to determine whether the headaches might have been caused by a serious condition such as a tumor.
Bearss did not immediately return a call seeking comment, and Magiasis, through a receptionist, declined to speak with The Associated Press.
At Hempfest, the doctors worked in a tent sponsored by 4Evergreen Group LLC, a medical marijuana services company. Patients paid $150 for exams if they had medical records with them, and $200 if they didn't. Some waited in line for hours.
Bearss examined 106 patients and Magiasis examined 110, the charges say. Each authorized all but one patient to use marijuana.
One of the patients Bearss authorized was Seattle Times reporter Jonathan Martin, who complained of intermittent back pain. Martin wrote a front-page feature about his experience titled "No medical records? No problem. Got my pot card at Hempfest."
Church said the story prompted the Department of Health to start investigating the pair. He noted that none of the patients treated at Hempfest complained about the quality of care.
"You can guess why that might be," he said.
The charges can result in a broad range of disciplinary measures, from continuing education or a fine to a license suspension or revocation. The charged doctors have 20 days to respond.
The timing of this story is perfect for sending a warning to would be gold diggers at this years Hempfest.
well, well, the physical given to at at induction into army was half as long as the medical marijuana one was.....so do we now question govt again on double standard?
Why buy from an illegal dealer? Sounds like it easier to just get a prescription....
Legalize it, already!
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Even my own doctors, from Virginia Mason and now Swedish, have prescribed me medication for my headaches for years. Not once has the subject of ruling out tumors arisen. This is silly. Should my doctors be cited for substandard care as well?
I got my authorization from 4Evergreen but the doctor that did my auth was very professional and did a complete exam. I was there for a little over an hour. (He is not one of the docs being charged in this article)
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I can't imagine those docs only taking 15 minutes per person. I think I can guess what happened. It was Hempfest, they were overwhelmed with the number of people wanting authorizations so they pushed it and didn't thoroughly exam everyone. A lot of these docs are in it for the money too. Between those 2 doctors, they brought in a MINIMUM of $32,000 through Hempfest authorizations.
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What I don't understand is why the Tacoma osteopath was charged with advertising that he does authorizations. So what if he advertised it? Not everyone knows where to go to get an auth. Seems as if the authorities wanted to make an example of them.
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Quit wasting tax dollars on pot and just legalize it already. Sheesh.
 @Tattooed_Angel IT IS LEGAL! You must follow a legal route to obtain that LEGALIZATION. People, from dispensaries to those providing the "authorization" also have to follow the laws.
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They simply need to change the schedule of this drug so that doctors can prescribe it and it can be obtained from a pharmacy, since it is for medical purposes.
That is a victimless crime if there ever was one. The only loser is law enforcement. I feel so bad for what these doctors and their patients did to them.
This kind of thing wouldn't be an issue if weed were legalized.
The healthcare providers who are not compliant with the law should be prosecuted, just like any other criminal. If a patients' medical records do not support the patients' claims, and testing doesn't provide a diagnosis in compliance with the law, then the patient should not be licensed. There are many lawful health care providers, but the ones who are not should be at the very least, investigated.
I think for the vast majority of medical marijuana users don't have a legitimate reason for having medical marijuana other than they just want to get high. I don't think there is anything wrong with that except that I think that we all should be able to smoke pot legally without having to pretend to have some underlying illness. Â In a free country we all should be able to grow our own pot without having government tell us what we can or can not put in our own bodies.Â
 @jd94b I agree, but at the same time I, or other people, should not be paying for someone's medical issues due to their negligence. I could care less if people smoke, but I or you, should not have to pay for their issues that arise later.
 @jd94b be careful, they might come get you for free thinking! I agree with you though.
I bet Jonathan Martin was the guy who was always telling on the other kids in school.Â
just legalize it already
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take the wasted dollars used to fight this and use them to prosecute drunk drivers (a real problem)
What a load of BS!  Marijuana is safer than aspirin, so you should be able to obtain it just as easily. What kind of follow work is required for a headache anyhow, if the marijuana takes away the pain? (assuming there are no other symptoms that would trigger a dr to check for something further). Is the State trying to tell them that they have to order CT scans whenever someone complains about a headache? I'm sure the radiologists would love the extra money!   If a Dr started ordering CT scans for every headache patient, I'm willing to bet the insurance companies would start investigating them for fraud.Â
Of course, if cannabis were to finally be legalized for recreational and medical use by adults, there wouldn't be such an issue. If an adult can choose to use alcohol, a known poison with recreational and major addiction potential and no major health benefits which directly causes multiple deaths per year simply due to its effects on the body, why shouldn't that same adult be allowed to choose to use cannabis, a dried plant with recreational effects and known medical uses (such as relieving nausea, increasing appetite, decreasing muscle spasms and pain, and in some cases slowing the growth of cancerous cells), which has never directly caused a human death and is usually not addictive? What's the logic there? Not to mention there are legal prescription medications like vicodin and other opiate-based medications which are highly addictive and kill people every day, and are effectively more dangerous than cannabis, and cigarettes which are harmful to the smoker and those around them, kill people every year, cause major health problems...
But with cigarettes and alcohol, we're talking about major tax revenue. I, for one, would be happy to have part of my cannabis purchase price go towards taxes and programs to help people with addiction, and to see licensed growers allowed to grow larger quantities. A larger operation can grow more cheaply than a closet or back-room operation, and the price per ounce could easily go to much less than the current street price, which includes a mark-up for buying in smaller quantities from growers who grow smaller quantities -- I've seen pounds for $2200 and ounces for $250 from the same seller, a markup of more than $100 per ounce. These licensed larger-quantity growers would sell with the state's permission, factoring a cannabis tax on each ounce (plus regular sales tax), and there would be a monthly limit per user. Doing it that way would put the street dealers in a bind because they would have to drop their prices lower than the licensed growers (who can grow more cheaply in bulk) in order for anyone to want to purchase from them, which would greatly cut into their profits. I believe there's a country in central or south America that has made cannabis legal for adults for several decades, up to a certain amount in your possession at a time, and if you are caught with more than that you are sent to a drug program, because if you can't follow a basic rule about how much to have at once, you probably have a drug problem. Now that's the right idea.
I'm pro-legalization but what they did was dumb, dumb, dumb, and now they are paying the price for it. Â Good God. Â It may technically be because they broke the law, but the reality is that they are in trouble for the simple fact that they used incredibly poor judgement. Â
 @MPS That's accurate.
eventually politics will catch up with common sense and it will just be legalized. until then we'll have to continue hearing stupid stories like this, as if anyone with half a brain cares.
@stargunner I highly doubt if Rob McKenna gets elected as our next WA state governor that he will allow marijuana to be legalized. HIGHLY DOUBT IT.
@stargunner Agreed.
 @stargunner Common sense merging with politics? In the USA?
 @Sovereign a girl can dream.Â
Legal or illegal you will never stop anyone from cultivating, distributing or using Marijuana. Might as well take a logical step and legalize it and regulate it like alcohol. Many people are completely misled purposely about Marijuana being linked to overdoses a.k.a REFER MADNESS logic etc.! The punishment of not getting a job because you have T.H.C content in your urine is 100% bs! Many drunks, prescription junkies and smokers are currently working and functioning all over in the job market, so get over it!
My god! Give it up already. There has never been a death attributed to marijuana. You can't even say that about aspirin! It's time to give this tired argument a rest. Declassify marijuana as a class 1 drug and move on already. The war on pot has become comical at best, and a clear sign that our government is very out of touch with reality. This is not a fringe base of users anymore - it's mainstream, it's part of our culture, and continually attacking citizens is only alienating people from the government - a government that's clearly not of the people and by the people.
@Bellevue Scott Can you provide verification to back up your claim that there hasn't been a single death attributed to marijuana?
@Surveyor1 and that it is mainstream. Marijuana does impare judgement and motor skills and some people become paranoid from smoking it. That said, we have a much larger problem in this state than pot. Crystal Meth is horribly dangerous and not only destroys peoples lives, it kills users. Focus on the real safety threat.
 @Bellevue Scott Beautifully-said.
And this is the problem with the legal loophole and medical marijuana. I, like most on here, have met and know numerous people who have medical marijuana "prescriptions". All of them literally laugh at the system and how easy it is to obtain the prescription. I realize there are many people who truly are in pain and the use of marijuana helps relieve that. I also know that there are even more people out there getting the prescriptions simply because they want to get high. The government needs to clarify the laws and either reclassify it as a medical drug or legalize it and enact similar laws they have in place for alcohol. Â
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Why is this legal loophole a "problem?"
 @PilonidalCyst Because people say it is. It doesn't have to actually be a problem. People just have to have their perception influenced enough for them to believe that it is a problem. In reality, it's not a problem at all.  If it weren't for dispensaries, people would still get the cannabis they want. Having the dispensaries just does away with so many of the problems that the underground market has...
What is a naturopath anyway? Aren't they just hippies with a certificate?
 @GeorgeG. What an ignorant comment.
 @GeorgeG. That is not true, nor accurate. Naturopathic doctors are highly trained professionals that attend medical school and must be licensed by the state to treat patients. Most are excellent clinicians, who take time to get to know and understand their patients. Naturopaths try to find and treat the underlying causes of people's problems and not just their symptoms, helping patients regain their health. There may be a few bad N.D.s out there, but there are bad M.D.s too.  Â
Ummm, no Naturopaths are NOT doctors, and they do NOT go to Medical school.
@SpringwaterKate @hrhkellyb Thanks Kate. I am consistently amazed at the ignorance of some people, and how eager they are to express it. I hope those people who commented without knowing what they were talking about will allow themselves to be educated about Naturopathic Physicians. My life has literally been saved by a Naturopath who was willing to find the cause of my illness when conventional medicine failed me. Whenever I'm faced with a serious health issue, I take all the test results to my Naturopath and hear his opinion, then and only then do I decide on a course of treatment. This has indeed served me well!
 @hrhkellyb Oops, I meant my "so there" for hrhkellyb, not you. Sorry about that. :)
 @hrhkellyb The degree they receive is N.D. (Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine). At Bastyr University, located here in Kenmore, an ND candidate must have a Bachelors Degree to apply (and meet other rigorous requirements). If accepted, he/she will attend four years of naturopathic medical school. From their website: "Named by The Princeton Review as one of the 168 best medical schools in the country, the School of Naturopathic Medicine at Bastyr University is committed to developing leaders in the evolving field of natural medicine. Bastyr's fully accredited naturopathic doctor (ND) degree program is internationally renowned for its rigorous curriculum, comprehensive clinical training and groundbreaking research." So there!
 @hrhkellyb Ummm, no, some of them are doctors and go to Medical school.  I know two M.D.s who are now Naturopaths.  Talk out of your *** much?  You're a little too sarcastic to do so.  Sarcasm is best when it's legit. Â
 @GeorgeG. What are Hippies anyways?
 @GeorgeG. Yup  ... That about sum's er up pardner.