As pot fans welcome legal weed, state faces complex dilemma

SEATTLE (AP) - People openly lit joints under the Space Needle and on Seattle's sidewalks - then blew the smoke at TV news cameras. To those looking to "get baked," the city's police department suggested pizza and a "Lord of the Rings" movie marathon.
What, exactly, is going on in Washington state?
Marijuana possession became legal under state law Thursday, the day a measure approved by voters to regulate marijuana like alcohol took effect. It prompted midnight celebrations from pot activists who say the war on drugs has failed.
But as the dawn of legalization arrives, Washington and Colorado, where a similar law passed last month, now face some genuinely complicated dilemmas: How on Earth do you go about creating a functioning legal-weed market? How do you ensure adults the freedom to use pot responsibly, or not so responsibly, while keeping it away from teenagers?
And perhaps most pressingly, will the Justice Department just stand by while the states issue licenses to the growers, processors and sellers of a substance that, under federal law, remains very much illegal?
"We're building this from the ground all the way up," said Brian Smith, spokesman for the Washington Liquor Control Board, which is charged with regulating the drug. "The initiative didn't just wave a magic wand and make everybody here an expert on marijuana."
The measures approved on Nov. 6 have two main facets. First, they OK the possession of up to an ounce of marijuana by adults over 21. That took effect Thursday in Washington, though it remains illegal - for now - to buy and sell pot, so people have to keep getting it from the marijuana fairy.
In Colorado, where pot fans will also be able to grow their own plants, the law takes effect by Jan. 5.
The other part of the measures, the regulatory schemes, are trickier. Washington's Liquor Control Board, which has been regulating alcohol for 78 years, has a year to adopt rules for the fledgling pot industry: How many growers, processors and stores should there be in each county? Should there be limits on potency? How should the pot be inspected, packaged and labeled?
To help answer those questions, officials will turn to experts in the field - including police, public policy experts and some of the state's many purveyors of medical marijuana. Smith anticipates undercover monitoring operations to make sure the private, state-licensed stores aren't selling to minors.
With legalization, officials need to look at some of the measures that have been shown to reduce teen drinking, said Derek Franklin, president of the Washington Association for Substance Abuse and Violence Prevention. That includes public education about the risks of pot use and driving while stoned, emphasize patrols to look for stoned drivers, and encouraging cities to adopt laws that hold parents accountable if they host parties at which kids are provided marijuana.
"We're really going to need to get all hands on deck to sort through this," he said.
The marijuana will be taxed heavily, with revenues possibly reaching hundreds of millions of dollars a year for schools, health care, basic government services and substance abuse prevention.
Unless, of course, the Justice Department has something to say about it.
Few people question the states' ability to simply remove all penalties under their own laws for marijuana. The federal government would remain free to raid state-licensed growers or stores and prosecute those involved in federal court, just as they remain free to shut down medical marijuana dispensaries in states with medical marijuana laws.
Whether a state can regulate an illegal substance is another question. Many constitutional law scholars say the answer is no: Washington and Colorado's regulatory schemes obviously conflict with marijuana's prohibition in the federal Controlled Substances Act, and when state and federal laws conflict, the feds win out, they say.
So the Justice Department could likely sue to block the regulatory schemes. But will it? What's better, from the administration's perspective - an ounce of weed legalized with regulation or an ounce of weed legalized with no oversight?
The department has given no hints about its plans.
While pot fans wait for an answer, they are partying. Though Washington's law prohibits smoking in public, about 200 gathered under the Space Needle for a New Year's Eve-style countdown to 12 a.m. Thursday. A few dozen gathered on a sidewalk outside the north Seattle headquarters of the annual Hempfest celebration and did the same, offering joints to reporters.
"I feel like a kid in a candy store!" shouted Hempfest volunteer Darby Hageman. "It's all becoming real now!"
The Seattle Police Department emailed its 1,300 officers, telling them not to write any citations for smoking pot in public until further notice. A voter initiative passed in 2003 made marijuana enforcement the department's lowest priority, and for years officers have looked the other way while thousands light up at Hempfest.
Officers will nevertheless advise people not to smoke in public, police spokesman Jonah Spangenthal-Lee wrote on the SPD Blotter. "The police department believes that, under state law, you may responsibly get baked, order some pizzas and enjoy a 'Lord of the Rings' marathon in the privacy of your own home, if you want to."
He offered a catchy new directive referring to the film "The Big Lebowski," popular with many marijuana fans: "The Dude abides, and says 'take it inside!'"
What, exactly, is going on in Washington state?
Marijuana possession became legal under state law Thursday, the day a measure approved by voters to regulate marijuana like alcohol took effect. It prompted midnight celebrations from pot activists who say the war on drugs has failed.
But as the dawn of legalization arrives, Washington and Colorado, where a similar law passed last month, now face some genuinely complicated dilemmas: How on Earth do you go about creating a functioning legal-weed market? How do you ensure adults the freedom to use pot responsibly, or not so responsibly, while keeping it away from teenagers?
And perhaps most pressingly, will the Justice Department just stand by while the states issue licenses to the growers, processors and sellers of a substance that, under federal law, remains very much illegal?
"We're building this from the ground all the way up," said Brian Smith, spokesman for the Washington Liquor Control Board, which is charged with regulating the drug. "The initiative didn't just wave a magic wand and make everybody here an expert on marijuana."
The measures approved on Nov. 6 have two main facets. First, they OK the possession of up to an ounce of marijuana by adults over 21. That took effect Thursday in Washington, though it remains illegal - for now - to buy and sell pot, so people have to keep getting it from the marijuana fairy.
In Colorado, where pot fans will also be able to grow their own plants, the law takes effect by Jan. 5.
The other part of the measures, the regulatory schemes, are trickier. Washington's Liquor Control Board, which has been regulating alcohol for 78 years, has a year to adopt rules for the fledgling pot industry: How many growers, processors and stores should there be in each county? Should there be limits on potency? How should the pot be inspected, packaged and labeled?
To help answer those questions, officials will turn to experts in the field - including police, public policy experts and some of the state's many purveyors of medical marijuana. Smith anticipates undercover monitoring operations to make sure the private, state-licensed stores aren't selling to minors.
With legalization, officials need to look at some of the measures that have been shown to reduce teen drinking, said Derek Franklin, president of the Washington Association for Substance Abuse and Violence Prevention. That includes public education about the risks of pot use and driving while stoned, emphasize patrols to look for stoned drivers, and encouraging cities to adopt laws that hold parents accountable if they host parties at which kids are provided marijuana.
"We're really going to need to get all hands on deck to sort through this," he said.
The marijuana will be taxed heavily, with revenues possibly reaching hundreds of millions of dollars a year for schools, health care, basic government services and substance abuse prevention.
Unless, of course, the Justice Department has something to say about it.
Few people question the states' ability to simply remove all penalties under their own laws for marijuana. The federal government would remain free to raid state-licensed growers or stores and prosecute those involved in federal court, just as they remain free to shut down medical marijuana dispensaries in states with medical marijuana laws.
Whether a state can regulate an illegal substance is another question. Many constitutional law scholars say the answer is no: Washington and Colorado's regulatory schemes obviously conflict with marijuana's prohibition in the federal Controlled Substances Act, and when state and federal laws conflict, the feds win out, they say.
So the Justice Department could likely sue to block the regulatory schemes. But will it? What's better, from the administration's perspective - an ounce of weed legalized with regulation or an ounce of weed legalized with no oversight?
The department has given no hints about its plans.
While pot fans wait for an answer, they are partying. Though Washington's law prohibits smoking in public, about 200 gathered under the Space Needle for a New Year's Eve-style countdown to 12 a.m. Thursday. A few dozen gathered on a sidewalk outside the north Seattle headquarters of the annual Hempfest celebration and did the same, offering joints to reporters.
"I feel like a kid in a candy store!" shouted Hempfest volunteer Darby Hageman. "It's all becoming real now!"
The Seattle Police Department emailed its 1,300 officers, telling them not to write any citations for smoking pot in public until further notice. A voter initiative passed in 2003 made marijuana enforcement the department's lowest priority, and for years officers have looked the other way while thousands light up at Hempfest.
Officers will nevertheless advise people not to smoke in public, police spokesman Jonah Spangenthal-Lee wrote on the SPD Blotter. "The police department believes that, under state law, you may responsibly get baked, order some pizzas and enjoy a 'Lord of the Rings' marathon in the privacy of your own home, if you want to."
He offered a catchy new directive referring to the film "The Big Lebowski," popular with many marijuana fans: "The Dude abides, and says 'take it inside!'"
This is really not that hard. The state wienies in Olympia is making this Way to complicated, as usual.....have an open invite to grow pot, license it by the plant. you want 100 plants, buy 100 licenses. you deliver the end result to the state, collect your revenue. start again.......If you do it right, the fed won't even have any way to find the producers. Plus for the smart ones who do Hydroponics, there won't even be dirt to haul away.......
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But the idiots in control (gregwired) will want to wait a year for all the cartels get organized and take over the state production/distribution......
 @Ringmaster2000 I believe the 1 year wait is in the wording of the measure...they don't have a choice.
Why is the news media continually framing this as "the state has a dilemma"? We have no dilemma. Our dilemma is over. It's now the Federal government that has a dilemma. The ball is in their court, not ours. It's now the Fed, who under increasing pressure from numerous states, needs to deal with its dilemma.
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The war on drugs have failed, and some states are coming to grips with that. The Fed now has two dilemmas: 1) how to address the failed war on drugs 2) how to move forward without alienating state governments and citizens. Because the reality is that if the Fed turns the war on drugs into a war on states, and a war on democracy, then it shoots itself in the foot and eventually risks causing a rising tide of anti-Fed sentiment. And we all know where that could lead.
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No. We have no dilemma. We can sit back and smoke a bowl and laugh. It's the Fed now that needs to come to terms with changing times. The same is true of same sex marriage. If the Fed fails to recognize these unions, then once again, it's putting itself at odds with Democracy itself, and the states.
 @Bellevue Scott The Fed? Do you know what the "Fed" is? The word you're looking for is "feds".
I have couple of questions and concerns.
We have been brought up in country and good god kept away from such things thanks to our parents. We don't even know how this pot looks like let alone the smell of it and not even interested in it. Given this.
- How would we know if the person standing next is smoking cigarette or pot and why should we inhale that.
-How long does this thing take to disperse away from air. Given the fact that now whole lot people will be smoking this openly anywhere.
-Who is responsible for these peoples public hyper activity and after results.
-This is like hippy era is coming back.
-This is an open invitation for young generation.
 @Myviews I will actually try to answer your questions as best I can.
1.) Pot smells very strong almost skunk like (to me), you will be able to tell the difference, some people actually love the smell (even those who dont smoke it). There is no reason for you to have to suffer someone's smoke, that is just rude, however, at first you may see an increased incidence of it, but I hope not. Even if you are around someone smoking pot, the chances of you actually inhaling any are very low unless they blow it right in your face.
2.) The smell may linger, but the smoke is gone rather quickly. Even if you smell it, that does not mean you will be inhaling anything that could cause you to get high or have a negative impact to it.
3.) These people as you refer to them are responsible for themselves, you probably have been around stoned people and never knew it but, regardless, it does not cause hyper activity.
4.) Coming from the "hippy" era I dont think you have anything to worry about, LSD was very popular during that time and from what I can see that is not really making a resurgence nor is it similar to marijuana in any way.
5.) This is no more an open invitation for our youth to abuse pot than before. What it is is admitting that there are benefits to this drug and that any harmful effects have been grossly exaggerated. Truth be told, pot is less harmful than alcohol and I think you would agree that we do not encourage abuse of alcohol in our youth and try to teach responsible use. Will there be some that abuse it? Yes, but likely no more than now do. Â
You may remember, I made a prediciton a couple of weeks ago regarding the legalization of marijuana. You responded to my comment. One of my predictions was that more home robberies would take place and on the first day of legalization, a marijuana grow home in Pierce County was nearly robbed. The home owner home with his child; big shoot-out, and bad guys get killed. Now that pot is legal and there is nowhere to legally buy any, criminals are going to do what ever they can to get there hands on some. Big mistake! This state had no idea what they were getting into. It is like trying to fly a plane without a pilot license. Wait to see what happens next???
 @Myviews I would be more concerned about your grammar and education than pot. But if you're standing on a street corner and somebody is smoking, and the people around that person want some, it's pot. If nobody wants it and are annoyed by it, it's tobacco.
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Be careful though, many people smoking pot won't be dressed like hippies. They may even have jobs and wear a suit and tie. Tie dyed shirts won't help you find the pot smokers anymore.
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Good luck.
@Myviews You can't smoke in ANY public places. And most people can VERY easily distinguish between pot smoke and cigarette smoke.
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Furthermore, pot won't give you "hyper activity", just the opposite.
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For some of us pot is a hyper kind of experience! What you are referring to is an unfortunate stereotype that has been proliferated though disinformation and rumor.
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 @virtual anomaly "it can affect people differently."
Some more than others...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xKd2DBekN0
@SchönLicht Yes, forgive me for generalizing, I hope I didn't offend your sensibilities. On the norm, marijuana acts as a depressant: slower reflexes, less energy. Since it is a mild hallucinogen, it can affect people differently.
And if you are worried about your health, you should hope that the person standing next to you is smoking pot, not cigarettes. Cigarettes will kill you much quicker than pot.
 @Myviews your questions need to end with question marks. while you're adding those question marks try and create better, more direct questions.
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an example: "-This is an open invitation for young generation."
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an open invitation to what? i could assume that you mean " is [this] an open invitation [to think about smoking pot] for young[er] generation[s][?]"
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please learn english and construct your sentences properly otherwise I can only become irritated at the ignorant people of this area who were "brought up in country"... please make some sense next time you post or just keep it to yourself
 @DylanJ  @Myviews You mean like starting a sentence with a capital and ending it with a period? Pot, meet Kettle.
 @Myviews Legalization won't suddenly increase the number of pot smokers (adults or teenagers); they would be smoking pot with or without legalization. But I would assume that they will have to adhere to the same laws regulating smoking tobacco in public places. They won't light up next to you in a restaurant for instance. Technically they still have to respect the 25 foot rule with respect to public building entrances.
I think the State is smart when it comes to revenue.Just think of how many tickets the police will issue once the law is completely in place.The police will be so busy writing 100.00 tickets to all the pot heads who think they have the right to Smoke Pot in the streets. Â
 @Tacobender50 that's not the point but yes lol
"Â Washington and Colorado's regulatory schemes obviously conflict with marijuana's prohibition in the federal Controlled Substances Act, and when state and federal laws conflict, the feds win out, they say."
I see a scenario where the feds will be overwhelmed trying to enforce their ban on individuals. I say good. There has been too many man-hours, dollars and heartache wasted on a fruitless drug war, where pot is concerned.
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Now we need an initiative to exclude up to 5 home-grown plants from the "Tax-'em till they bleed" mentality of thelegislature.Â
@Glassman Yes! if you are growing for yourself, it should be allowed. You want to sell it? fine, get a license.
I can't wait till they start arresting people/idiots for smoking that crap in public,,,ha ha ha
 @Craig Groves The cops will target blacks and browns smoking in public and shoot a few mistaking a bong for a weapon while 50 fears for his life.
 @Craig Groves they will do that after they arrest the guy that's drinking in public.
"Few people question the states' ability to simply remove all penalties under their own laws for marijuana. The federal government would remain free to raid state-licensed growers or stores and prosecute those involved in federal court, just as they remain free to shut down medical marijuana dispensaries in states with medical marijuana laws." Not really true. The feds only have constitutional authority to do this if the products cross state lines, but just because they don't really have authority has never stopped them before. Just too many unconstitutional laws in this country, especially at the federal level. Takes 5 minutes to pass an unconstitutional, takes decades to get rid of them.
Congrads, as if the Young people in this state weren't Stupid enough, now they can become complete Idiots !!!
 @Closer64 why, the older people is doing a heck of a job.
 @Closer64  You should really make a better attempt to have proper sentence structure if you are going to call people idiots. Someone might actually take you seriously if could sound intelligent yourself.
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What a joke.
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Democrats claim to support the DARE Program but support Doper Legislation and promote "Hempfest".Â
Whoopee.
 @Attila DARE even dropped marijuana from it's anti-drug curriculum.   What's that tell you about the "dangers" of marijuana?http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2012/12/dare_dropping_marijuana_from_k.php
Hope they wouldn't smoke around kids !
The Marijuana Fairy? LOL
Cartel moving to your city. Get used to it. Killings will be happening and we all just hope we are not the target. Matter of fact, I just read that a home owner killed a couple of intruders. Start packin' your pistol folks. Washington State will become the wild west!
@ObsidianOne Wow now you have just taken stupid to a whole new level!! Oh no... I mean a HOLE new level!!
And they call pot smokers clueless...
 @ObsidianOne Right. Just like those alcohol cartels really took over once alcohol prohibition was repealed.Â
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If they passed this law sooner, Hostess could have been saved from the axe.
 @commonHuskyfan Ha Ha after clearing out the pantry in the basement, I have discover that we have 4 boxes of Twinkies, 2 boxes of cup cakes, and something else. This is what the boys call in the house camping and fishing food. They always seem to have them.Â
 @Just my say  @commonHuskyfan Your Rich! Your Rich!!! Sell them on E-bay quick!!!!
 @Just my say  @commonHuskyfan I actually wouldnt do it myself either........but I have to chuckle when I look at what they were going for on E-bay.Â
 @Susabelle  @commonHuskyfan I can't do that. They are not mine. I make allot of jams and the boys will put stuff down there to save for camping and fishing. Even if they were mine, I still would not sell them. I would feel wrong making a fast dollar that way.Â
 @commonHuskyfan Twinkies for days.
 @Chimichanga  @commonHuskyfan Hash Twinkies?
If it is allowed in public (carried/smoke), should the "general" public be concerned about the "second hand smoke" from marijuana.
 @J LAKE its not allowed in public,still can be cited or arrested when it takes full affect
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@J LAKE Sooner or later it will be an issue with the anti-smoke people. It will be just like cigarettes.
 @J LAKE AS FORK ADDS POUNDS SO SHALL YOUR FEET WALK
smoking out doors wont be a choice thats where THEY put the smokers! if pot is legal why would a 21 year old need authorization? pot stores need to provide authorization as a gun shop would do?if that will be the case
 @maggie112 im not sure what you're trying to say but despite what you're reading and hearing all over the place, pot is NOT legal.
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washington state passed an initiative to DECRIMINALIZE marijuana. it is STILL illegal but it is not a crime in the state.
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an example: alcohol vs energy drinks. alcohol has restrictions, energy drinks do not.
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I hope we all get the point here! :)
 @maggie112 Hmmm...could someone please translate that?
next they will regulate how many calories you can have. stay out of my right to persue happiness, life, and librty
 @1791 no, its the calories THEY should be taking out of a freaking hot dog bun! to let u per sue happiness-healthy happiness
 @maggie112  @1791 "per sue happiness-healthy happiness"
That must be what used to be called "puddin' anglish"...
 @Susabelle  @OrcasThunder  @maggie112  @1791 I'll take any kind of pudding except for rice pudding. Love rice but the two just don't go together for me.
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 @OrcasThunder  @Susabelle  @maggie112  @1791 Gotcha. Thanks.
 @OrcasThunder  @Susabelle  @maggie112  @1791 Kozy Shack tapioca pudding is awesome. All of their puddings are. Were you raised on jello too? Funny how we are talking about food on an article about pot. Go figure. LOL
 @Susabelle  @Darn it!  @maggie112  @1791 "But how about Tapioca?  I have some of that in the house."
And you are welcome to it...I HATE that stuff! My mother made me eat it when I was a young kid... It's the reason I can't eat anything with the texture or look of pudding.
 @Darn it!  @OrcasThunder  @maggie112  @1791
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 I've heard pidgin english........I think that is what they meant?
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But how about Tapioca?  I have some of that in the house.
 @Darn it!  @Susabelle  @maggie112  @1791 "I don't think I have ever heard the expression ' puddin' anglish' either."
It's a play on "Pigeon English"...
 @Susabelle  @OrcasThunder  @maggie112  @1791 I don't actually think I have ever had strawberry pudding. I'll take butterscotch instead and you can have the chocolate. Chocolate is really good though. Hmmmm, I don't think I have ever heard the expression ' puddin' anglish' either.Â
 @Darn it!  @OrcasThunder  @maggie112  @1791 But my name is sue......... where is the strawberry puddin'? Actually I prefer chocolate if you have it......
 @OrcasThunder  @maggie112  @1791 My name isn't sue, but can I have some strawberry puddin'. Please?
 @1791 and edubacation.