Counties set to provide same-sex marriage licenses

 @jowsuf Well, as you know, most kids from age 13, and up (sometimes younger) have an opinion already about being gay (and just about everything else) I don't think any school class on the subject would do any good, there are bullys in every school, they possibly learn this behavior at home, where no doubt they learn to be perjudice against other kids no matter what that is, gay, fat, glasses, nerds, etc. kids run in packs, they pick on the weakest, a better class to add to school would be to have tolerance of those they see as different, but again, they have already formed an opinion of the way things should be, and it's hard to un-teach what they no doubt learned at home.

 @SJ Sorry if I wasn't clear in my comment. I am not saying it SHOULD be taught in schools, I'm just saying if it was I wouldn't see the problem. You do make good points, though. I imagine that if it were kept as a small topic in the standard sex ed curriculum it would go over just fine. But no, there shouldn't be a special "gay day" or anything like that.

 @jowsuf  Why do you feel it should be taught in a school setting?how does one teach about homosexuality? what if a teacher does not accept that way of life? young people who are homosexual are teased by peers as it is, what could be taught about being gay that would make them any less tollerent? kids can be very cruel, why bring this to the forefront? I'm reasonably sure that in this day and age middle and high school age kids know all about homosexuality, so what age school kids do you propose to teach this life style to? human is human, reguardless if you are gay or straight, where does the difference lie? that is already being taught in sex ed. so there is nothing to gain by teaching about homosexuality in a school setting.

 @Bianca  @jowsuf  @Alexandra  @Maynard Sorry, I still don't understand your opposition to your children being taught about homosexuality in schools. It's probably not a topic that needs to be covered, but I don't see anything inherently wrong with it. I'm not sure if you know this, but you can't convince a person to be gay. You're gay or you aren't gay. Frankly if it were taught in schools that it's okay then maybe it would take some weight off homosexual students' shoulders who feel confused or ashamed. People young and older alike commit suicide over societal pressure over being gay. Wouldn't this be an opportunity to begin to change that? Everyone deserves the chance to feel safe and accepted. Not everyone will be, but we can't keep living in a society that demonizes things about people that cannot be changed, or things that people have no desire to change for that matter.

 

That's my opinion. What are your thoughts on this? I know your stance, I just want to understand why you feel that way.

 @Bianca  @jowsuf  @Alexandra  @Maynard Liberal teacher with an agenda? 

 @Melissa Angevine  @Bianca Is homosexuality being taught in schools?

 @Bianca  @jowsuf  @Alexandra  @Maynard That is what private schools are for, people who want to bury their childrens head in the sand next to theirs.

 

 

@jowsuf @Alexandra Shepiro @Maynard G Krebbs -- That is right I teach them about it, not you and not some liberal teacher with an agenda period.  So, again, if you want to keep what YOU do in the bedroom that this fine, but once you bring it out, then we've got problems period.

@DeadRabitz -- We will agree to disagree on this one. 

@Bianca @Alexandra Shepiro @Maynard G Krebbs I would assert that homosexuality is natural. It has been observed in nature for a long long time. Just because you don't like it or agree with it doesn't make it unnatural.

 @Bianca  @Alexandra Shepiro  @Maynard G Krebbs The only thing that's being taught is that it's okay to be gay. If you don't think it's okay to be gay, you're the one with the problem. 

 

Your children should learn about homosexuality. Why? Because homosexuals are a part of our society. You don't shelter children away from things you disapprove of. You teach them about it. You help them understand things so they know how to interact with them. They need to know, because they WILL have to interact with it. You can disapprove of the world all you want, but the world doesn't stop doing what it does for your approval. 

 @Alexandra Shepiro  @Maynard G Krebbs -- When you think you have the right to teach it to my children as natural, it becomes my business.  If you want to leave your chosen lifestyle in the bedroom, then we've got no problem. 

 @SJ The people who are opposed to gay marriage got it on the ballot through the initiative process.  The legislature had already voted to recognize gay marriage.

 @SJ I am not telling them, the courts will do that.  They will eventually enforce the Constitution, specifically  the equal protection under the law clause and the full faith and credit clause.  When it comes to the US Constitution the state laws and amendments mean nothing.  

 @SJ The people do not have the right to deprive others of their rights.  The votes that take place will eventually be overturned by the courts.  What if the citizens of Washington voted to make everyone Catholic or Jewish?  Oh well the will of the people, no.  The Constitution is above that.  

 @DeadRabitz Who put the gay marriage issue to a vote anyway?

 @DeadRabitz It is also everyones right to vote as they want, no matter who put or what is on a ballot.

 @DeadRabitz  You don't have the right to tell others what is right and what is wrong in any state.

 @DeadRabitz  I don't know, is it? some say yes, some say no, it is up to the people of that state I suppose, who gave the right to the people of a State to vote on what rights people should or shouldn't have?

@SJ Really, as a heterosexual male of over 21, what right am I lacking...in any state?

@SJ Its not about what people what, it's about what's right. It is wrong to deny anyone, no matter the state, the right to marry.

 @DeadRabitz  Everyone here in Washington has the "right" to marry now, so what's your point? yea, the right to own a gun, the right to marry who you want, the right to free speech, the right to smoke pot, the right to drive on the highways, the right to own a house, the right to practice whatever religion you choose, the right to have your rights read to you.......Rights, Rights, Rights, everyone has them, yet none of have them all, the law of the land, who makes the rights we all deserve?

 @DeadRabitz  Why do you care what happens in Alabama, Texas, or any other state concerning gay marriage? everyone has the right to vote the way they want also, weather you like it, think it's equal or not, the people spoke here in Washington, so let the people of Alabama, Texas or where ever speak for their State, if you are so worried about Alabama or Texas and the gay marriage issue, maybe you should move to one of these places and take up a petition.

@SJ I am not talking about a gun but the right to own one, like the right to get married. Use it or not, I careless. But everyone has the right.

@SJ tell me how equal are gay people in Alabama, Texas, or any of those other states that passed amendments banning gay marriage?

 @DeadRabitz Last, unlike an object one ownes, oh lets say like a "Gun" a marriage certificate is not proof of ownership, one does not own another, that is not what commitment and marriage is suppose to be about.

 @DeadRabitz  Ok, the first right (to marry) is a done deal, right? second, the commitment was already there, right? so why do you keep saying "Denied the right"? the way I see it, the rights have been addressed, gays have been given the right to marry, that point is moot, so where does it go from there? what other rights do married homosexual couples "not" have verses married hetrosexual couples? if that piece of paper stands for rights, well, seems everyone is equal now that everyone can get one, right?

@SJ No, it's not about the paper. That is what you don't get. It's more than that. It's about people's rights. There are two things at play here. First, the right of everyone to marry. Second, the commitment that people make to each other when they get married. Sure you can have a commitment to another person without being married to them and maybe you never want it get married but being denide the right to do so is wrong. My wife may never own a gun but she would be upset if someone told her she didn't have the right to own one.

 @DeadRabitz  No, you don't get it, it is a piece of paper, and that piece of paper is not going to change anything, what use does it have? what purpose does it serve? what is it going to change? Licenses, Licenses. Licenses, you need a Licence for everything, to marry, to drive, to sell liquor, to run a business, to put on your dog, the fact is, it does not change anything, if you love someone you can do that without a License, whoever you choose to be with, you can do that without a License, what I'm saying, now that gays have the "License" what does that change? it is still going to be an up hill battle to get that piece of paper recognized by another big brother to make any difference, a marriage license is suppose to be much more than to open doors on insurance forms,  last wills, hospital visits, that is what this marriage license is being used for, nothing more.

@SJ you don't get it because you see it as a piece of paper.

 @DeadRabitz  No, I guess according to you I don't get how that certificate is going to work miracles and change everyone's life for the better, there are a few hurdles yet to jump, I would think the "Rights Issue" is over and done, gay people have the "Right" to marry, so onward with the fight with the Feds, for those basic human rights.

@SJ @Alexandra Shepiro it's not the paper, it's what that paper represents. It represents a bit of equality. It's about people's rights but something tells me you just don't get it.