Electric-car owners in Wash. face $100 annual fee

SEATTLE (AP) - Owners of electric cars in Washington state don't pay gasoline or gas taxes, but they're soon going to be hit with a $100 fee to own the battery-operated cars.
A section of Washington state law that takes effect next year will require electric car owners to pay a $100 annual fee for road and highway improvements intended to compensate for the lack of gas taxes they pay.
The law does not apply to hybrid vehicles or to those that don't exceed 35 mph. About 1,600 cars currently registered in the state would likely be subject to the fee, including the Nissan Leaf, Tesla Roadster and some custom electric vehicles, according to the state licensing department. Hybrid vehicles that use electricity and gasoline, such as the Toyota Prius and Chevrolet Volt, are excluded.
Starting Feb. 1, 2013, electric-car owners must pay the fee at the time of their annual vehicle registration renewal. The fee would be in addition to standard vehicle registration fees owed each year.
Supporters of the fee say electric cars are good for the environment but they put the same wear and tear on the state's roads that gas vehicles do and should pay their share for the road's upkeep.
Fred Nelson, who lives in Spokane and owns an all-electric Nissan Leaf, said he has mixed feelings about the new law, which passed as part of House Bill 2660. "It's a little frustrating. I do understand the logic behind it because we don't pay gas taxes," he said.
Nelson doesn't like that the fee is more than double what he has been paying. But on the other hand, he said he has saved thousands of dollars in state sales tax and federal tax credits when he bought his Leaf last year.
"I think it's wrong. You pay taxes on the electricity, it's not like they're getting away for free," said Joe Lambrix, who lives in Olympia, owns two electric cars, one of which may likely be subject to the fee. "... You're trying to do something good and they still find a way to get revenue. It's unfortunate."
Washington's gas tax stands at 37.5 cents per gallon, and is the state's largest source of transportation dollars. It costs the average motorist, driving roughly 12,000 miles in a vehicle that gets 23 mpg, about $200 a year.
Jay Friedland, legislative director for Plug In America, a California-based electric car advocacy group, said "$100 isn't that big of a deal, but it's not well-balanced policy."
"EV drivers really want to pay their fair share but it seems ridiculous from a policy standpoint," Friedland said. The state on the one hand has given out sales tax exemptions to encourage residents to buy more electric vehicles, while charging the fee on the other hand, he said.
The group urges states to consider charging drivers based on the vehicles miles traveled and the weight of the vehicle. He said electric vehicles have the added social benefit of reducing greenhouse gas emissions and dependence of fossil fuels.
Nelson said he bought his electric vehicle in 2011 because he's a proponent of alternative energy and figured the Leaf was ideal for commuting the five miles between his home and work. "I've owned enough of the fossil burning type, I figure I should do something green and clean," he said.
A section of Washington state law that takes effect next year will require electric car owners to pay a $100 annual fee for road and highway improvements intended to compensate for the lack of gas taxes they pay.
The law does not apply to hybrid vehicles or to those that don't exceed 35 mph. About 1,600 cars currently registered in the state would likely be subject to the fee, including the Nissan Leaf, Tesla Roadster and some custom electric vehicles, according to the state licensing department. Hybrid vehicles that use electricity and gasoline, such as the Toyota Prius and Chevrolet Volt, are excluded.
Starting Feb. 1, 2013, electric-car owners must pay the fee at the time of their annual vehicle registration renewal. The fee would be in addition to standard vehicle registration fees owed each year.
Supporters of the fee say electric cars are good for the environment but they put the same wear and tear on the state's roads that gas vehicles do and should pay their share for the road's upkeep.
Fred Nelson, who lives in Spokane and owns an all-electric Nissan Leaf, said he has mixed feelings about the new law, which passed as part of House Bill 2660. "It's a little frustrating. I do understand the logic behind it because we don't pay gas taxes," he said.
Nelson doesn't like that the fee is more than double what he has been paying. But on the other hand, he said he has saved thousands of dollars in state sales tax and federal tax credits when he bought his Leaf last year.
"I think it's wrong. You pay taxes on the electricity, it's not like they're getting away for free," said Joe Lambrix, who lives in Olympia, owns two electric cars, one of which may likely be subject to the fee. "... You're trying to do something good and they still find a way to get revenue. It's unfortunate."
Washington's gas tax stands at 37.5 cents per gallon, and is the state's largest source of transportation dollars. It costs the average motorist, driving roughly 12,000 miles in a vehicle that gets 23 mpg, about $200 a year.
Jay Friedland, legislative director for Plug In America, a California-based electric car advocacy group, said "$100 isn't that big of a deal, but it's not well-balanced policy."
"EV drivers really want to pay their fair share but it seems ridiculous from a policy standpoint," Friedland said. The state on the one hand has given out sales tax exemptions to encourage residents to buy more electric vehicles, while charging the fee on the other hand, he said.
The group urges states to consider charging drivers based on the vehicles miles traveled and the weight of the vehicle. He said electric vehicles have the added social benefit of reducing greenhouse gas emissions and dependence of fossil fuels.
Nelson said he bought his electric vehicle in 2011 because he's a proponent of alternative energy and figured the Leaf was ideal for commuting the five miles between his home and work. "I've owned enough of the fossil burning type, I figure I should do something green and clean," he said.
The Leaf is driven less (battery range) and doesn't require the tanker trucks of fuel on the roads, nor do people drive them with studded tires and chains....(which really do the damage, not a Leaf or Mazda 3)......so, when everything is factored in, I'd say the Leaf does less damage and therefore, is cheaper for the state to maintain the roads with.....but for every gallon we buy 37.5 cents per gallon goes to the state** (currently) meaning that if a Mazda 3 gets..I dunno...30 MPG then they pay $187.50 a year in gas tax (15k miles a year, divided by 30 = 500 * 37.5 - 187.50).....
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Not sure how I feel about it.....The Leaf is better for the world (less carbon in the air, less fuel used to transport fuel to the gas station)...but what about the battery packs when they reach the end of the cycles life? Hmmmmmmmm.....perhaps if part of the $100.00 went to battery recycling and more charging stations, I'd be Ok with it.
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** - Source - http://www.washingtongasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
No two ways about it..... the government will have you pay one way or the other....
Its about time for some common sense. I pay for the roads, they should too.
While I applaud our State for charging this "user" fee the real problem has not been addressed. M son is a certified Toyota Mechanic and during a recent discussion informed me that the Government has nothing on place for discarding the batteries out of the Hybrids and electric cars once they need replacing. Now all of you driving these cars for the Sake of the environment  are really creating more pollution than if you were driving a gas powered vehicle. The production of the battery in the Toyota Prius creates a much larger carbon footprint than all the gas powered cars in the U.S.  do in one day.  Touchy- feeley doesn't work for our environment.
 @DAN Citations?
@Glassman @DAN It took me a ton of research, but I found this artical about expired batteries for Hybrids....
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First of all, the article says ELECTRIC cars, not hybrids. Therefore the fee is on ELECTRIC CARS ONLY (aka don't use gasoline at all).
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Gas tax is a user fee for using our government provided roads and transportation services. Yes, I know that it also pays for other things - but that's a different conversation.
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When you don't use gasoline, you don't pay the 'user fee' that comes from gas taxes. Therefore it's only right that you pay a reasonable replacement for that user fee. How else you gonna pay for roads, road maintenance and so on?  You expect the government to provide them for free?  Or do you want that cost to come out of your pocket in some other way while the electric car owners don't have to pay thier own way?
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Do you want cars that don't pay a gas tax to get a free ride on the money YOU pay in gas taxes?
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 @FormerMarineSgt As Jay Friedland said, EV owners are happy to pay their fair share of road taxes, it's the $100 flat fee that's bad policy. Unlike gas cars, we aren't being charged in proportion to our use of the roads. Would a flat tax make sense for gas cars? Why are electric cars being singled out for a tax that's typically more expensive per mile than what an efficient gas car pays? Why doesn't the Volt have to pay the tax when it can drive just as many electric miles as an all-electric car?
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 @FormerMarineSgt Merry Christmas!
I agree that all who use roads should pay for the maintenance, etc. Including those who pedal to work. No they don't cause damage to roads but a lot of money is spent on their special lanes, etc.Â
Just for fun, imagine if we went to hovercraft for personal vehicles and didn't use roads? What then?
What's fair is fair (at least kind of). A typical Nissan Leaf weighs in around 3500 lbs. A comparably sized Mazda 3 five door comes in around 3000 lbs., a bit over 14% less. In theory the Leaf has a slightly greater impact on road wear than the Mazda does, yet the Leaf owner is limited to only a $100 fee. Yes it's a "beech" if the Leaf owner rarely drives his or her car, but for the typical, average commuter it's a better deal for them than the final tab calculated from all those gas taxes the petrol driver is faced with. No one likes more government taxes and fees, but my spine and kidneys--if they could speak for themselves--enjoy potholes even less.
That is only the start. You know that $100 is not even close to the full amount of gas tax these people are cheating the state out of. Come on, who do you think you are.  Â
 @oldster70 How is not paying taxes on something you don't use cheating?
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Did you actually finish school? If they gave you a diploma you should sue for false advertizing.
Do the math, say you drive your car five days a week; that is 260 days of driving, that equates to under 39 cents a day. Skip a coffee at Starbucks and you just covered a few weeks of taxation.
@Justaguy - they're already saving lots of money by not paying a gas tax, so these whiners just need to suck it up and stop blindly blaming 'government'.
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Here's a simple and accurate way to look at it: The gas tax you pay today is paying for the folks who have electric cars (not hybrids, just all-electric cars are affected by this tax). YOU are giving them a free ride. It's time that they pay thier fare share of roads, road maintenance and so on.
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If the state is going to put in charging stations along the highways, then I think that imposing this minimal fee is justified.
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The larger issue is that our approach to obtaining tax revenue for road maintenance is clearly flawed. As technology advances gas usage will continue to decrease and the strain our DOT budget will continue to be stressed.Â
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The next time Iâm in the market for a small car to use for my commute I will still consider an all-electric car. I havenât done the math but Iâm fairly sure that I pay more than $100 annually in gas taxes today.
@Justaguy Great..when I see the charging stations in place, I'll feel better about paying (if I owned a Leaf or Tesla, that is)......until then, I see it as being $$ that the goverment is somehow throwing away (just like the 520 tolls and such)......
I don't mind a fee but it seems like there could be a better way. With my Leaf I will pay about $120 a year to power it so this fee will almost double that cost.
Also considering that I drive about 4,500 a year it sounds like I will pay more for the fee than what I would in gas tax.
@TacomaUntapped -- You're stll paying less than you would have, and if you're not paying gas tax, you're getting a free ride on my taxpayer back. How's that fair?
A gasoline-burning vehicle that gets 23 mpg, drives 12,000 miles a rear and pays $200 in gasoline taxes very likely also WEIGHS twice as much or more as an electric vehicle - which is likely NOT driven 12,000 miles a year. The wear and tear on roadways is related to the weight of the vehicle, the miles driven and the friction of tires on pavement - which latter for the electric vehicle would be drastically reduced. In all likelihood, electric vehicles will account for 1/5 or even 1/10 the wear on roadways as that 23 mpg gasoline burner.
Oh well, I guess the fixed fee will encourage electric owners to favor the electric and avoid the gas tax even more.
 @JLS1950 Batteries are heavy! A Nissan Leaf weighs about 3400 lbs. For comparison purposes, a standard gas engined Honda Civic 4 door weights about 2800 lbs. Even an E Class Mercedes is only about 400 lbs heavier than a Leaf. In terms of regular car sized vehicles the weight and wear on roads is going to be pretty similar whether gas or electric. If wear on the roads is a huge concern then they need to outlaw the stupid studded tires in Western WA.Â
 @chuckh0308 Okay, I'll bow to you on that. Also about the studs: studs on dry or bare and wet pavement (what we mostly see around her) just dig grooves or "wheel ruts" - that then trap rain or melt water, which (sometimes) freezes and turns the road into a skating rink. Then add a sprinkling of snow and that creates conditions that people in W. Washington largely haven't a clue how to handle - studs or no.
I wonder how much lighter the batteries could be made if they could use the NiMH battery - the rights to which were handed over to GM for the EV-1 and I believe I understand were then passed along to Exxon-Mobil. The only place I see that technology turn up any more is rechargeable AA cells for electronics. At one time, NiMH was the lightest battery per watt-hour available, although I'll admit I don't know how it stacks up against LiPo. Way, way better than lead-acid and much lighter (though bulkier) than LiIon as I recall.
I can see it now...these owners are going to convert their cars to hybrid to avoid the fee, by adding a model airplane engine & generator to the charging system!
 @CougKyle Unless the state inspects and okays it as a hybrid it will still be listed as an EV and taxed accordingly.
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"Supporters of the fee say electric cars are good for the environment but they put the same wear and tear on the state's roads that gas vehicles do and should pay their share for the road's upkeep."
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Then those using studded tires should pay a high fee for causing so much wear and tear on our roads and highways.
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@giveitarest - they should just ban studded tires. Good snow tires are just fine and don't tear roads apart.
 @FormerMarineSgt  @giveitarest No, they are not. Maybe in Massachusetts, (where I learned to drive) they are, but that is a whole different kind of snow. The crap we get here is heavy and wet and instantly turns to ice under your wheels. I have been driving for over 52 years and have done so all across the northern US and Seattle snow is probably the worst. The municipalities do not know how to deal with it, the drivers are insane and the four-wheel-drive idiots forget they only have four wheel brakes just like the rest of us.
 @giveitarest There was a senate bill back in January doing that exact thing, but I don't think it ever made it to a vote (it didn't do enough anyways, it was a $5 fee per studded tire sold, which would have only earned like $500,000 out of the $25 million studded tires cost the state each year.
@CommutingGuy @giveitarest Off topic here, but did you know that Les Schwab will charge you 3.00 per tire as a "disposal fee", but 75% of the time will actually resell your tires as "used" to some poor schmuck and keep the fee?
 @giveitarest Considering the millions a year in damage due to studs, I agree with you. Want to run studded tires? Pay an annual fee and put a sticker on your car. I think $20/tire/year ought to suffice.
Well electric car owners, you are lucky it's only 100 dollars. Given your vehicle are lightweight they do no damage to the roadways but you DO use the roadways. So help pay to maintain those roadways. Paying tax on electricity does not go to maintain roadways, sorry.
 @Chico They are not lightweight. Do to the weight of the batteries, an electric car of comparable size to a gas powered car will actually weight significantly MORE, despite it's typically lighter weight body.
At this rate, Washington will effectively resurrect the "Soccer Mom Tank" aka Suburban
You can afford a Tesla but are worried about an annual $100 fee?
@Alikelystorey Yes I can afford a Tesla. Who's to say that the fee won't be 500 dollars in 3 years?Â
 @lakeview Affording a Tesla, $500 is pocket change! $58.000 for the cheapest 40kw model?Add some options and you have a $65.000 car easily. Go up in battery size, and you are closing in on 100K's pretty fast.
 @WhatdidIsay?  @lakeview And Tesla recently announced a price increase for 2013 of (as I recall) $2500 across the board for all models.
I was going to put a deposit down on a Tesla Model X, but now I'm having second thoughts. Maybe I'll opt for a hybrid instead. Electricity is so cheap here though compared to everywhere else. Â
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Audi is building cars for Germany only that will run on both natural gas and gasoline and seemlessly switch between the two. Would love to have that option here as natural gas is SOOOOO cheap. Â
 @lakeview where did you get the impression natural gas is cheap? It's definitely not from PSE
 @lakeview Seriously? You were willing to pay $60,000-$100,000 for a Model X, but now you're scrapping that whole idea on the sole basis of a $100 annual fee?
@DudeIncognito  I said I have seconds thoughts, not just b/c of the fee, but for other reasons such as range. Everything factors into the decision. Â
And to think that all of you do-gooders out there did what the wonderful goverment told you to do to save mommy erf. Now it's your same regime giving you another bill. Fair is fair, right? You DO want to pay "your fair share", right libtards? It's because of people like you we get bleep like this. Government NEVER goes or does without. After all, it has what it takes, to take what it is YOU have. Game on fools
@Troglidite  Holiday season got you down? Why so mad? Us libtards understand that there is no free lunch in life. It gets kind of old listening to the hateful comments like yours in light of the fact that blue states subsidize the red states so much.Â
I'm sure glad I don't own one of these cars. My anorexic wallet can't handle having one more greedy, overspending government finger prying at the last cobweb coated dollar I have left. Next thing you know, they'll make us install measuring devices on our toilets so they can tax our turds by the INCH.
A hybrid car does as much damage to the roads as regular cars but pay less gasoline tax. Tax them more also!
Lets do the math here...
$100 times 1600 qualifying cars is?
$160,000
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Is that really worth the hassle?
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Liberals are so naive.