More than 2,000 attend Wash. coal terminal hearing
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SEATTLE (AP) - More than 2,000 opponents and supporters of a plan to ship coal through a northwest Washington terminal turned out Thursday for a final public meeting on the controversial proposal.
Six other public meetings have been conducted around the state concerning a possible coal export terminal near Ferndale. The hearings are designed to help government agencies determine the scope of a planned environmental impact statement.
Many business and labor groups support the plan, saying it will mean jobs and commerce.
Among the worries are coal's contribution to global warming and the potential impact to Puget Sound's ecosystem.
Opponents who testified ranged from a Seattle schoolgirl concerned about the environment to a southeast Montana ranch manager worried about how mining the coal in his state will affect the groundwater he relies on.
"Children like me have things taken away by global warming," said Rachel Howell, 12. She listed salmon, oysters and skiing as joys in her life that could be threatened.
"More coal mining where I live to meet the Asian market will impact my livelihood in many ways, but particularly groundwater," said Brad Sauer, who manages a 123-year-old Montana ranch. He said that for water, his ranch relies on a shallow aquifer that is threatened by huge, unreclaimed open-pit coal mines.
The $600 million Gateway Pacific Project proposed by SSA Marine of Seattle at Cherry Point is the largest of five proposed terminals in Washington and Oregon. The terminals would ship coal from Montana and Wyoming to power plants in Asia. The terminal could handle up to 54 million bulk tons a year. It could handle other bulk cargo, such as grain.
China will find coal even if the United States won't deliver it, said Herb Krohn from the United Transportation Union. "All we would do is force (China) to buy dirtier, more-polluting coal," he said.
The Seattle hearing was moved to the state convention center because it can accommodate 3,500 people. About 650 people attended a Wednesday night hearing in Vancouver, and hundreds more attended recent meetings in Spokane, Ferndale, Bellingham, Mount Vernon and Friday Harbor.
Coal export opponents staged an outdoor protest earlier Thursday at a park near the convention center.
Coal port supporters also gathered before the hearing. Labor unions representing construction trades say coal shipments will require expanded port facilities, which will boost jobs in the region.
King County Executive Dow Constantine spoke to opponents, saying he was against shipping up to 18 trainloads of coal through Seattle, which he called the county's "jewel." Ferndale Mayor Gary Jensen spoke to supporters, saying the coal shipments can be done in an environmentally sound manner.
The prospect of long coal trains rolling through Seattle's downtown waterfront is not welcomed by Mayor Mike McGinn. He announced Wednesday the city would commission a study on the local traffic and safety impacts of an estimated 18 coal trains a day.
The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Washington State Department of Ecology and the Whatcom County Council scheduled the hearings to identify issues to be studied. The public comment period remains open through Jan. 21, and then an environmental impact statement will be drafted.
Critics want a broad study of economic and environmental impacts well beyond Cherry Point.
"Expanding the scope of environmental review would have a devastating impact," Brandon Housekeeper of the Association of Washington Business told the pre-hearing gathering of coal port supporters.
With the threat of that kind of review, he said, the state might as well post signs at the border that read: "Don't do business here. Washington is not open for business."
Other coal export ports are under consideration at Longview and in Oregon at Coos Bay, Port of Morrow and St. Helens. A proposal at Grays Harbor, Wash., has been shelved.
"Have you experienced what coal dust can do to property? I have," Vancouver resident Toni Montgomery, who lives near a railroad track, said at the Wednesday meeting. She said pollution and train congestion are significant concerns.
"It's a dangerous mess," Montgomery said.
Locomotive engineer John Lawson of Kennewick spoke in favor of coal exports in Vancouver.
"My biggest concern has been the impact on the economy," he said, adding such projects "provide a tax boost to our state" to pay for services.
Six other public meetings have been conducted around the state concerning a possible coal export terminal near Ferndale. The hearings are designed to help government agencies determine the scope of a planned environmental impact statement.
Many business and labor groups support the plan, saying it will mean jobs and commerce.
Among the worries are coal's contribution to global warming and the potential impact to Puget Sound's ecosystem.
Opponents who testified ranged from a Seattle schoolgirl concerned about the environment to a southeast Montana ranch manager worried about how mining the coal in his state will affect the groundwater he relies on.
"Children like me have things taken away by global warming," said Rachel Howell, 12. She listed salmon, oysters and skiing as joys in her life that could be threatened.
"More coal mining where I live to meet the Asian market will impact my livelihood in many ways, but particularly groundwater," said Brad Sauer, who manages a 123-year-old Montana ranch. He said that for water, his ranch relies on a shallow aquifer that is threatened by huge, unreclaimed open-pit coal mines.
The $600 million Gateway Pacific Project proposed by SSA Marine of Seattle at Cherry Point is the largest of five proposed terminals in Washington and Oregon. The terminals would ship coal from Montana and Wyoming to power plants in Asia. The terminal could handle up to 54 million bulk tons a year. It could handle other bulk cargo, such as grain.
China will find coal even if the United States won't deliver it, said Herb Krohn from the United Transportation Union. "All we would do is force (China) to buy dirtier, more-polluting coal," he said.
The Seattle hearing was moved to the state convention center because it can accommodate 3,500 people. About 650 people attended a Wednesday night hearing in Vancouver, and hundreds more attended recent meetings in Spokane, Ferndale, Bellingham, Mount Vernon and Friday Harbor.
Coal export opponents staged an outdoor protest earlier Thursday at a park near the convention center.
Coal port supporters also gathered before the hearing. Labor unions representing construction trades say coal shipments will require expanded port facilities, which will boost jobs in the region.
King County Executive Dow Constantine spoke to opponents, saying he was against shipping up to 18 trainloads of coal through Seattle, which he called the county's "jewel." Ferndale Mayor Gary Jensen spoke to supporters, saying the coal shipments can be done in an environmentally sound manner.
The prospect of long coal trains rolling through Seattle's downtown waterfront is not welcomed by Mayor Mike McGinn. He announced Wednesday the city would commission a study on the local traffic and safety impacts of an estimated 18 coal trains a day.
The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Washington State Department of Ecology and the Whatcom County Council scheduled the hearings to identify issues to be studied. The public comment period remains open through Jan. 21, and then an environmental impact statement will be drafted.
Critics want a broad study of economic and environmental impacts well beyond Cherry Point.
"Expanding the scope of environmental review would have a devastating impact," Brandon Housekeeper of the Association of Washington Business told the pre-hearing gathering of coal port supporters.
With the threat of that kind of review, he said, the state might as well post signs at the border that read: "Don't do business here. Washington is not open for business."
Other coal export ports are under consideration at Longview and in Oregon at Coos Bay, Port of Morrow and St. Helens. A proposal at Grays Harbor, Wash., has been shelved.
"Have you experienced what coal dust can do to property? I have," Vancouver resident Toni Montgomery, who lives near a railroad track, said at the Wednesday meeting. She said pollution and train congestion are significant concerns.
"It's a dangerous mess," Montgomery said.
Locomotive engineer John Lawson of Kennewick spoke in favor of coal exports in Vancouver.
"My biggest concern has been the impact on the economy," he said, adding such projects "provide a tax boost to our state" to pay for services.
Chine burns coal. Montana and Wyoming mine and sell coal. The only choice is: Do we or Do we not make money by being the conduit for the product?
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No amount of environmental hand-wringing will change whether China buys the coal and burns it. None.
Why in the heck are we selling all of our natural resources abroad and not keeping it right here at home for our own consumption. I swear, anything for a buck even if that is at the expense of our national security. China and Asia gobbling up the US citizen's natural resources!!!Â
I hope the project brings a lot of jobs without hurting our people. We want money but we donât want to die trying to get it. The holidays are almost here and we need to get things. http://tiny.cc/legitthings
Pro Coalers were incredibly overnunbered at today's rallies and hearings by the Anti Coal proponents. Each side has valid points. We must now decide if 450 permanent jobs is worth decades of environmental screw up and ensuing clean up.
You are all buying Chinese products but don't want to sell them the power to make them. I'm confused. Coal is still used widely in the world and has not yet reached your plane of energy panacea. Don't judge them with your green yard stick.......... please.
 @SEATTLITERON I don' buy Chinese products.Â
I bet you do. Unknowningly.
China is the worlds largest coal consumer, and unfortunately will continue to burn it regardless of where they get it. They don't care what we (or anyone else) think and nobody can stop them. Everyone knows there's no such thing as 'clean coal' and I don't like the idea of adding to our pollution any more than the next person, but the mines in Wyoming and Montana have some of the cleanest burning coal in the world. I wish I could find the info again, but the sulfur content in our coal is extremely low compared to what is found in mines throughout the world. Knowing that China could really care less, and is going to burn this stuff no matter what we think or where they get it.. I'd much rather see them using low sulfur coal purchased from us, all while providing our area with 'family wage' jobs that so many people need.
Used to be in America in a time long past. The water front was for shipping ,imports,exports  . With high paying hard working people. Now it is for recreation and minimum wage part time workers.Â
 I can't wait until the viaduct comes down and some politician will get the idea for a street car extension and a long boulevard .with no tax base to support the infrastructure.Â
I have two problems with shipping coal anywhere in the far east. 1. The pollution will come here and eventually circle the globe. 2. We may need that coal in this country when the power companies finally come up with ways to make coal fired plants clean and be able to dispose of CO2 without putting it in the atmosphere. That will eventually happen but by then we'll have sold all our natural resources to other countries all for profits today without a thought about 30-100 years from now.
Longview is a good second choice. The poor little town looks like it's dying and needs some economic energy installed. The coal WILL be shipped, why let Canada take the job when plenty people here in Washington State could use those jobs! And the State could use the tax revenue as well.
What people are willing to sacrifice in name of money astounds me.
Yep confirmed. We are turning into Sweden. Oh, but nobody demonstrates there, it is to cold.
 @Grumpa Sweden? Have you ever even owned a passport? What the US is turning into is more like 1930s Germany, not Sweden. They dont have this low of a living standard.
This is funny considering the coal train I seen today rumbling northbound through the Auburn-Kent valley. Why aren't they protesting all the other coal trains?
The plague of progressive liberalism is a disease that I fear will know no cure. This state is an absolute epidemic!!!
 @kcsparky Well put! I think it's interesting that the first thing I saw in the KOMO picture was of opponents. Once in awhile I'd like to see some support for conservative values from KOMO.Â
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True Communism doesn't exist and never has. The Communism in today's world is more Fascism than anything else.
 @factchekr You are correct that true Communism never has existed but I've never really pondered it to be a type of Fascism yet.
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Here is what the Godfather of Fascism thought it was:
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"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power.â --Benito Mussolini
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This would more accurately describe the current situation in the US as our politicians are controlled by corporate interests through corporate campaign contributions. Even the Dept of Justice gives a green light to no rule of law for the US corporation as demonstrated by Jon Corzine at MF Global stealing 1.6 billion dollars from the personal accounts of its clients and over a year later no arrests, supeonas, indictments, or even a parking ticket from Eric Holder over at the Justice Dept.
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Here is what a Russian Dictator thought Fascism was:
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"Fascism is capitalism in decay.â --Vladimir Lenin
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I think he was right on this point as our free market capitalism is anything but free market. There is no market left in the US that isn't manipulated in favor of corporate interest, none, natta, not one anywhere. It no longer resembles capitalism and it is for sure in decay with complete financial collapse imminent. Capitalism has failed here.
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It failed because once all of the efficiencies of mass production are found and exploited, the only thing left to manipulate is wages. As wages are manipulated lower, the consumer retains less and less demand for a product because there is less and less money to spend on the product. Therefore, the capitalist loses from diminished demand within a consumer based economy. Its nice while it lasts but, its always at the expense of someone else. Outsourcing is simply a band aid because your demand really slips as money becomes tighter and here we are.
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Did any of you posting comments actually watch a show that aired maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago on this? I did. It's not something to enter into lightly.Â
 @KOMO Viewer Yep, seen the guy cleaning dust out of his vent panels. I also put it in the file under propaganda.
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Now, no matter what, this stuff is going to China whether you like it or not. Some people are, somewhere, gonna be pelted with dust. Most of them rural.
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These protests are moot and so is your concern. Want to influence this? Buy a politician.
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Seriously. You morons support legalizing pot, but all the sudden wear your "Greenpeace" hats with this? This coal is going to get to Asia one way or another, so we might as well reap the rewards (jobs) from this expansion. After-all, you are going to detour them so they have to travel further (burning more diesel) to get to another port? You guys just don't think logically. It's no wonder jobs are escaping this country... You want to lead by example? Go protest in Asia, not here!
 @Warthog Sigh. Yet another person using the "someone is going to do evil, so it might as well be us" argument.
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Sigh. Once again someone using the âitâs better to cut off our nose to spite our faceâ logic.Â
And it came to pass the mighty obummer raised his fist and declared âbehold I shall destroy and bankrupt the evil coal companies, I shall shut down their power plantsâ. And the sheeple roared approval. The obummer declared âthe gas power plants shall cease to exist along with oil fired plantsâ. And the sheeple roared their approval. The obummer declared âyour energy costs will skyrocketâ and the sheeple roared and voted him a second term. Then came winter. The sheeple looked at their bills and spoke in dismay. Why has my bill gone up so much, I thought you were going to raise the cost for âthemâ, and the obummer laughed. What did he care. He had is last term and gathered his family for a nice long all expense paid vacation.  Â
The opposition to this deal would push the jobs north to Canada. The opposition to Keystone XL pipeline will push jobs north to Canada. All of the sudden "the Hat of the United States of America" has more brains than that on which it rests...
 @Fugonn Not really. If anything, their anti coal activists are A LOT more rabid than the ones here. And anti pipeline activists are assailing elected representatives up there. Apparently industry reps looked for people in the First Nations community willing to take bribes and tried to ram agreements through and tons of people in Canada are p*ssed.Â
 @Fugonn The comment about "The Hat" is sad but so true.
Love the comment "overrun any gains we have made". Gains? What a misguided fool.
The on air report of this meeting was quite possibly the most one-sided, biased story they could have possibly aired.
"Say No to jobs, say No to coal"...
no matter what, the coal will be shipped to and burned in china- do we want the jobs here or going elsewhere? Â
 @nobelprizeme Clearly, the idea of "doing the right thing" has never occurred to you.
 @Sutekh  @nobelprizeme Clearly the right thing to do is create JOBS,and more JOBS. Stop turning the waterfront into low pay,part time workers and use the waterfront as it was. For shipping freight. With living wage jobs that are full time.Â
 @Sutekh Doing the right thing hasn't occurred to any politician either. What's the point? These so-called leaders will do whatever makes the most money. What makes the most money is shipping all this dirty coal to China so we can blame them for the drift.
 @Sutekh  @nobelprizeme yeah?  well, tell us all, what is the right thing and why?  we are all waiting on your thoughts.
@Sutekh @nobelprizeme Nice guys finish last
Dow !! What A Dick !!
Hmmm, unions against greenies? I like it! It's a great example of why the left is bad for jobs and unions. Expand that scenario to other forms of energy, like oil and the pipeline Obama won't build with union labor.Â