Medical marijuana doctor: Clinic was 'a marijuana mill'
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SEATTLE -- There are an estimated 100,000 people in Washington with medical marijuana cards, but nobody knows for sure because prescribers aren't required to keep track.
Two medical professionals are now going on the record to say the abuse of writing marijuana authorizations is widespread.
Recreational marijuana use was legalized late last year, but the laws are still murky.
"We are sort of in this awkward interim period where you can have it, but you can't get it. It's like the marijuana fairy gives it to you," said State Rep. Roger Goodman.
For many marijuana users, the fairy is a medical marijuana recommendation, which has been around for 14 years.
With one, a Washington resident can go into a growing number of medical marijuana businesses and legally buy pot. Unlike other Washington residents, who can only legally posess an ounce of pot, medical marijuana users can have a pound and a half of marijuana.
State law says medical marijuana is intended to help patients suffering from "terminal or debilitating medical conditions," such as cancer or chronic pain that can't be treated by traditional methods.
But that's not really the case.
At one Tacoma clinic known for issuing cannabis recommendations with no appointment, I sat in a packed waiting room and filled out a questionnaire saying I had an occasional headache.
Even before I saw a doctor, I paid $139, which is price of an authorization. In another room, I expected a regular doctors visit. Instead, it was a state licensed advanced registered nurse practitioner Skyping in from Hawaii.
I told him I suffered occasional headaches and had no medical records to back up my claim. My Skype visit lasted three minutes, and I walked out with a recommendation saying, " I have diagnosed this patient ... As having a terminal or debilitating condition."
I then went to a similar clinic in South Seattle that advertised on Craigslist offering recommendations for $99 without medical records. A courteous naturopathic doctor who seemed to genuinely care about my health saw me for 10 minutes.
I said I had an occasional stress headache and wanted to try cannabis. Ten minutes and $99 later, I had my recommendation.
"it was a marijuana mill," said Dr. Corie Linn, a naturopathic physician.
"We just felt like it was a cattle call and it was all about money," said Sharol Chavez, an advanced registered nurse practitioner.
Linn and Chavez say they're putting their state licenses to practice medicine on the line by speaking out.
"It was around 30 patients a day and on one day I saw 42 patients," Linn said.
Both women used to work at South Sound Medicine in Lacey, which is one of many local clinics known for issuing cannabis recommendations.
"Of the 3,000 patients I saw in a year, one came in that wasn't for medical marijuana, and that felt incredible wrong to me," Linn said.
To verify their claims, I went to South Sound Medicine. Just like the others, I paid my money and left with a recommendation.
But the money doesn't stop at the first visit. All of the clinics offer renewals ranging in price from $49 to $100 a year. Many don't even require an office visit and can be renewed online.
"It was money driven," Chavez said. "How many patients you can see, we didn't get breaks, or I didn't get breaks."
There was also a financial incentive for Linn and Chavez. The more patients they saw, the more they were paid.
Both women have since left South Sound Medicine.
"I was exhausted and I was terrified I was going to lose my license," Linn said.
They say they're speaking out now to expose the clinics that are forcing physicians to abuse state law.
An attorney for South Sound Medicine denies that the clinic is a marijuana mill.
"Their focus is to provide services to clients. That's what their business is, and cannabis recommendations is but one aspect of that company," said attorney Josephine Townsend.
State health officials can discipline a licensed health care worker for not following the rules -- including the medical cannabis law -- which can include the loss of their medical license. But those same authorities have no jurisdiction over a clinic which is considered a business.
Only a small handful of licensed health care workers have been disciplined for abusing the medical cannabis law since it was adopted in 1998.
Two medical professionals are now going on the record to say the abuse of writing marijuana authorizations is widespread.
Recreational marijuana use was legalized late last year, but the laws are still murky.
"We are sort of in this awkward interim period where you can have it, but you can't get it. It's like the marijuana fairy gives it to you," said State Rep. Roger Goodman.
For many marijuana users, the fairy is a medical marijuana recommendation, which has been around for 14 years.
With one, a Washington resident can go into a growing number of medical marijuana businesses and legally buy pot. Unlike other Washington residents, who can only legally posess an ounce of pot, medical marijuana users can have a pound and a half of marijuana.
State law says medical marijuana is intended to help patients suffering from "terminal or debilitating medical conditions," such as cancer or chronic pain that can't be treated by traditional methods.
But that's not really the case.
At one Tacoma clinic known for issuing cannabis recommendations with no appointment, I sat in a packed waiting room and filled out a questionnaire saying I had an occasional headache.
Even before I saw a doctor, I paid $139, which is price of an authorization. In another room, I expected a regular doctors visit. Instead, it was a state licensed advanced registered nurse practitioner Skyping in from Hawaii.
I told him I suffered occasional headaches and had no medical records to back up my claim. My Skype visit lasted three minutes, and I walked out with a recommendation saying, " I have diagnosed this patient ... As having a terminal or debilitating condition."
I then went to a similar clinic in South Seattle that advertised on Craigslist offering recommendations for $99 without medical records. A courteous naturopathic doctor who seemed to genuinely care about my health saw me for 10 minutes.
I said I had an occasional stress headache and wanted to try cannabis. Ten minutes and $99 later, I had my recommendation.
"it was a marijuana mill," said Dr. Corie Linn, a naturopathic physician.
"We just felt like it was a cattle call and it was all about money," said Sharol Chavez, an advanced registered nurse practitioner.
Linn and Chavez say they're putting their state licenses to practice medicine on the line by speaking out.
"It was around 30 patients a day and on one day I saw 42 patients," Linn said.
Both women used to work at South Sound Medicine in Lacey, which is one of many local clinics known for issuing cannabis recommendations.
"Of the 3,000 patients I saw in a year, one came in that wasn't for medical marijuana, and that felt incredible wrong to me," Linn said.
To verify their claims, I went to South Sound Medicine. Just like the others, I paid my money and left with a recommendation.
But the money doesn't stop at the first visit. All of the clinics offer renewals ranging in price from $49 to $100 a year. Many don't even require an office visit and can be renewed online.
"It was money driven," Chavez said. "How many patients you can see, we didn't get breaks, or I didn't get breaks."
There was also a financial incentive for Linn and Chavez. The more patients they saw, the more they were paid.
Both women have since left South Sound Medicine.
"I was exhausted and I was terrified I was going to lose my license," Linn said.
They say they're speaking out now to expose the clinics that are forcing physicians to abuse state law.
An attorney for South Sound Medicine denies that the clinic is a marijuana mill.
"Their focus is to provide services to clients. That's what their business is, and cannabis recommendations is but one aspect of that company," said attorney Josephine Townsend.
State health officials can discipline a licensed health care worker for not following the rules -- including the medical cannabis law -- which can include the loss of their medical license. But those same authorities have no jurisdiction over a clinic which is considered a business.
Only a small handful of licensed health care workers have been disciplined for abusing the medical cannabis law since it was adopted in 1998.
So he lied, and misrepresented himself as a sick patient? This is illegal in other states (lying to medical professionals to obtain pain medication).
Actually it is good news, because it will show how silly it is that you need an authorization to get medicine that grows in nature.  And so many people were worried about getting an authorization, now they can flock in droves...
What you need to outline in your 'investigative' journalism is the benefits of having an authorization vs. the I-502 mess.
Top reasons why you want an authorization:
1) You can grow 15 plants! I-502 does not allow for this.
2) You can purchase medicine at a dispensary. I-502 does not allow for this.
3) You can possess 24oz of medicine. I-502 allows for 1oz (one).
4) You have an affirmative legal defense of actually possessing medicine.
This news report isn't about "the man" it is about money hungry people who are destroying the reputation of medical marijuana laws.  These laws where set up to allow sick people to have marijuana.  The more we let sleazy clinics like South Sound Medicine destroy our reputation the more reason the state has to get rid of the entire program and just sell the marijuana out of their stores, so we have to pay all those taxes.  I am thankful these nurses cam forward to point out our weakness.  We need to clean this up before the state does!
Liberals in the house want to stop medical marijuana because they want to control the whole market, that is all this story is about, and these nurses WILL be somwhere in the STATE LEGAL industry for their testimony. Liberal bull
Let's further suppose that Johnny Pothead scammed the system. Can anyone explain any good reason why anyone should be punished for smoking pot for any reason? Does it really matter if it was for whatever illness?
The fact is that the marijuana laws were absolute lunacy from the very beginning. See the short history of the laws at http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/whiteb1.htm It was so stupid that people laugh out loud when they read about it today.
So where does anyone get the stupid idea that it is worthwhile to punish any pot smoker? This whole thing is a "sicker than thou" routine. They know they are sick enough to "deserve" mmj but they will just as happily throw anyone else under the bus to protect themselves.
What does it really matter if any of them are "paper mills"? Before you answer, first be sure you can explain why you can get a scrip for drugs that kill thousands just by asking.
But let's suppose that all the latest Reefer Madness is true. Johnny Pothead scammed the system and he is now sitting on his couch smoking a joint that he claims is medicinal but we know really isn't?
So what? How did this affect any of your lives? Did this cause you some big problem? Why do you even care? Where the hell did you get the idea that this was any of your business, anyway?
@wm97Â it affects their lives because democrats want to control all the pot in the state of washington, they are tie up loose ends before they introduce their high tax dollar schwaagg.
What should the standards be for "recommending" mmj?
You can get a prescription for aspirin, Tylenol and similar drugs just by telling the doctor you have pain. You say you have a headache and the doctor gives you the scrip. He doeesn't have to check your medical records. He doesn't have to exam you. In many cases, the doctor writes the scrip without ever seeing or talking with the patient. (seen it many times myself.)
So, if you canget a scrip for drugs that kill thousands just by asking, then what should be the minimum standard for a drug that doesn't kill anyone? does anyone want to explain that?
For anyone who is complaining about "abuse" in the med mj system -- you simply don't know what you are talking about, and you can't even define "abuse".
Suppose we have two people sitting on a couch hitting a bong. One is "legitimate" (according to you) andthe other is not. Just explain to everyone the clear objective standards that you would use so that anyone could easily tell who is the faker and who is the real patient.
No one here coule do it. If you can't explain yoru own words, then you have no clue what you are talking about.
Any commenting system that places these kind of length restrictions on responses is brain-dead.
there is a drug mill ran by the pharmaceutical companys,its erveryday doctors that are loading the public up on really dangerous drugs.except these drugs can actually kill the patient, unlike med marijuana which doesnt kill.i am ok with people sneaking off to their homes so they can mellow out on weed...whoopeeedoo! what worries me are the often misdiagnosed mental patients taking the wrong meds then going on a psycho drug trips and shooting and biting the general public.say it like it is, big pharmaceutical companies are out to shut down the med marijuana groups. so they get a couple of fake-oh medical practitioners to express their fake concerns, oh my more mellow pot smokers when will the madness end!
This "Investigative Report" proves nothing, we don't get to see the interview, although there is a secret camera of his sitting in a chair across from the doctor. We don't get to hear it even, nor do we get to see the screening forms or see the authorization form. We have to base the accuracy of this IR on fully trusting what is being told to us as being the unbiased unadulterated truth. Although the Dr admitted to authorizing MM illegally for money, and quit after awhile (how long?) for fear of loosing her license. And Chavez complained about the long hours with no breaks, 6 days a week she sounded like she was very unhappy with her x-employers treatment of her most of all. The legal criteria is bottom line subject to the patient, there R certain conditions that tests, xrays etc can not confirm or deny as a fact, so they R dependent on the patient to report. And you can for instance have arthritis without chronic pain, it's possible, or other medically sanctioned ailments used as criteria for MMÂ & not have chronic pain. These places may be MM mills but they exist because they are legal for now. I do agree with one commenter's information about the court system and records that could protect a MM user from jail and how these places do not keep records, nor will the docs/owners, go to court to stand up for the patients legal valid MM prescription. Now that should be an investigative report.
@Volma Tthese clinics are not suppose to be able to be owned by anyone other than a licensed medical profesional(doctor or nurse).This is the problem.The clinics owners can not own a medical clinic by law.they avoid licensing by licensing as a telamarketing company or an entertainment company not a medical facility so the Department of Health does not have juristiction over the clinics which makes no scense you would think a fradulant medical facility of any kind would be juristicyion of the Department of  Health
@Tammy Judy @Volma If these clinics need to be owned by a licensed medical professional, can they be in charge of patient medical records?
@ARNP @Dillion983 @Dauntless @Tammy Judy @VolmaÂ
So what you are saying is that my mother who has liver cancer and who got her green card last month could have gotten it from a clinic that is not owned by a legal doctor or nurse? Â So the police can come in and put her in jail for growing plants because she went to the wrong clinic? Â How was she suppose to know this?!?
@Dillion983 @ARNP @Dauntless @Tammy Judy @Volma I actually contacted the reporter this morning about this issue and he said they ran out of time to mention that...maybe they will add it on the 6pm version. That's the frustration for any medical provider. The only way this will be changed is if patients and the general public complain to the DOH and ask that question....
@ARNP @Dauntless @Tammy Judy @VolmaÂ
Wait I am confused if these medical marijuana clinics are not owned by doctors how are the still open? Â Why wasn't this in the report?
@Dauntless @Tammy Judy @Volma That's another issue.....they should NOT be in charge of the medical records....The medical provider that provided the medical service should be in charge of those but in South Sound's case they withheld the medical records from the provider that saw the patient. Patients were unaware their records were NOT being held in confidence by the medical provider but by the owner of South Sound. BTW all of this information is available under the freedom of information at the DOH.
@Tammy Judy @Volma Did they say this in this IR? IF they did I missed it, because that seems to be more of a story than the rest. If they are not going by the state laws as far as ownership goes they are illegally ran and their authorization is invalid, that should be the point of this and I may have to watch it again (twice already) but that didn't seem to be the point of this piece. If it was the point of this piece I really must be ADDish today, and I don't even smoke pot, not drinking or on drugs? Dang!
As someone who has devoted the last ten years to protecting legal patients here in Washington, I can tell you that this story misses the biggest problem with most of these clinics that are writing recommendations without records. Â
I have seen far too many cases where a patient gets raided, especially in areas outside of Seattle, and the prosecutor, or the judge, demand to see proof from the physician or clinic that the patient actually has records that document a qualifying condition.  Since these clinics do not require medical records, they cannot provide these records to the court, nor can they testify on behalf of the patient in court  They would be admitting to violating the state law.  "Well Dr. Grifty, how did you determine that the patient had cancer when you have no medical tests or records to back it up?" Â
When the patient can't show any records and the doctor won't show up for court (for fear of incriminating themselves) the patient is denied an affirmative defense by the court. Â If the patient was growing, he could end up being charged with multiple felonies for which he'll have no medical (legal) defense.
So by people cheating the system, or by trying to save a few bucks, going to a fly-by-night clinic who'll write a recommendation without a qualifying condition, they've found themselves facing years in prison. Â They've also found that their bargain basement recommendation wasn't worth the paper it was written on....at least not in court.
Good rule of thumb: If a clinic doesn't require that you have medical records confirming your qualifying condition, go somewhere else! Â These people will never help you in court if you should ever need them. Â You have to be smart enough to protect yourself should you ever need to. Â
If you don't have a qualifying condition, don't cheat! Â You stand a very good chance of getting caught and you won't be happy with the outcome.
There are good clinics and doctors out there, but the bad ones truly do make the rest look very bad. Â The legislature is well-aware of this problem and we'll be proposing some language for next year's legislative session to stop these grifters from writing phoney recommendations. Â
Steve Sarich
Cannabis Action Coalition
steve@cannacare.org
@Steve SarichÂ
This is a really great point.  Medical Marijuana is so helpful to so many people, it can really change some one's life and it is important that we continue to have the right to use this medicine.  That is why I think this article is important, because it points outs ways we can improve the system.  Patients need to be protected, it is not their fault if they choose the wrong clinic to go to.  Then worse case scenario they find themselves in court without the support of the doctor they trusted.Â
@Steve Sarich That's a moot point now that its legal. Â
@Jenkles @Steve Sarich Actually its not for patients that want to grow their own. None of that has changed. Medical Cannabis is still not legal, you only have an affirmative defense. Which means cops can still arrest you for whatever reason and make you plead your case in court. You don't even need a medical authorization to grow cannabis. But you better have some good medical files in hand for when you go to court.
@Blindman @Jenkles @Steve Sarich You are correct on the affirmative defense BUT with a legal medical marijuana recommendation you are more likely to be OK in court or if the cops stop you IF you follow RCW 69.51a of 15 plants and 24 ounces of dried cured marijuana. Also, if you do get a recommendation that is not legal IF you have to use your affirmative defense it can be thrown out of court and you can be charged with possession, etc. A recommendation does not help someone growing over the limit of 15 plants or possessing 24 oz of dried, cured MJ.
My understanding of I 502 is that a person over the age of 21 can possess up to 1 oz but can't grow and at this point can't buy it anywhere as the state liquor board has not opened any stores yet. If you have a qualifying condition under RCW 69.51a and are using (or would like to try) MJ for their medical condition you are better off legally getting the recommendation BUT make sure you are getting it from a legal, medical provider owned clinic.
@Jenkles @Steve Sarich It's not MOOT in anyway shape or form. Its legal to smoke it.....but where can you 'legally" obtain it? You cant unless your a medical marijuana patient!
@WifeToBe @Jenkles @Steve Sarich The state is building the infrastructure as we speak.  If its not MOOT now, it will be in another 10 months. Jesus.Â
@Steve Sarich Finally SOMEONE who gets it! Â
I think what you just said was a major part of that whole story!! Glad there is someone out there who cares for the patient and not just looking for the green..........AND I MEAN MONEY!!!
so maybe you can explain why marijuana is so special that it should be the only drug in the world where the providers are not allowed to make a profit.
Just FYI, the patients' best interests is best served by the greatest availability. The greatest availability comes when the producers are able to make a profit. Refer to your local Walmart for comparison.
@Steve Sarich Great post! I knew a provider that worked for one of these places in 2010 and they were paid by the hour and pressured to see as many people as possible. They were pressured to see people without records and without a qualifying medical condition per RCW 69.51a. After a couple of months they quit and moved on, because these clinic owners don't have a license to lose, only the providers do. Thanks Steve.Â
@DannyJohnDetroit @Steve Sarich That's exactly the point I got from the report.The owners don't take any risk of losing their license because they don't HAVE ONE!..Thank you.
@ARNP @DannyJohnDetroit @Steve Sarich How can the state allow a medical clinic to operate without a medical buisness license.Who should be responsible?THE STATE
@DannyJohnDetroit @Steve Sarich Its unfortunate that adults in the medical field allow themselves to be "pressured" by anyone.  This isn't High School.  We might take this argument if we were talking about underage adolescents.  We're talking about prescription writing nurses here.  They have accepted the Hippocratic oath.  They're obviously intelligent women who made a bad choice.  The bewildering part is they decided to open their mouths publicly.  Poor choice for their own interests.  Good for the public though.Â
@Jenkles Well your still very defensive for "just someone who read the article"! The "idiocy" that you speak of is of the owners who run the MILLS! I tip my hat to those who seek MM for real reasons and to help them with their pain. I lost my sister to breast cancer, and watching the relief come over her after using marijuana, was a breath of fresh air. I'm glad there are Dr's and ARNP's out there who got into this to help the patients and not just line their pockets like it sounds like the owner of South Sound Medicine is doing!
@WifeToBe @Jenkles Not at all.  I'm just someone who read the article and can't believe the idiocy of the comments I read.  Nothing more.  Sorry to burst your bubble.Â
@Jenkles Your very defensive.........are you possibly the owner of South Sound Medicine???Â
@Jenkles@DannyJohnDetroit@Steve SarichI think they "open(ed) their mouths publicly" because if you look in the records, Mr. Wendler falsely reported one provider to the DOH for stealing her OWN patients medical records (which wasn't true anyway) and is suing the other provider for "competing" against him. He is NOT even a provider of any kind! This was in defense of their reputation and practice!
Thank you Steve for your comments..
Why did these women take jobs at these clinics if they felt as though there was something wrong with what they were doing? I'd say the problem lies with them. Â Glad they got their acts together morally. Â As for how they feel about the rest of the community and their choice to use a natural remedy over synthetic cancer causing, brain melting pharmaceuticals, ... well, who cares what they think? Â Let them take their big-pharma prescriptions until it kills them, if thats what makes them feel morally right in the world.Â
So stupid.Â
@Jenkles They probably took the job to HELP people and found out after the fact that the owner was a crook after money....that's why they don't work there anymore!!!!!Â
Anyway, I think the point is...MMJ is helpful to some people and they should be able to know who they are getting their LEGAL paperwork from. They should be confident in the fact after they pay good money their recommendation will hold up in court......
LOL I love it......
@ARNP @Jenkles You poor fool.  Nobody forced them to write anything.  All these ladies did was tell someone about the thousands of prescriptions that they wrote to people they didn't believe needed them.  Nobody forced them.  They used their own medical licenses and they used their own judgement in authorizing these people.  It would be another story if they said they were told how to treat their own patients and what was allowed and not allowed to be prescribed.  This IS NOT THE CASE.  Wise up and learn to take responsibility for your own actions.  Apparently you don't understand that?Â
@Volma@ARNP@JenklesThe URL for complaints to DOH is:
 http://www.doh.wa.gov/LicensesPermitsandCertificates/FileComplaintAboutProviderorFacility.aspx
There is a spot for facility/provider complaints and and form to fill out and either FAX or Email. Mr. Wendler's first name is Paul. His wife is Lisa.
 You can go to courts.wa.gov and look on left hand side for SEARCH CASE RECORDS , hit that button then on next screen hit Name Search and agree on next page and you can put in any name. You can look anyone up that way...
@Blindman @Jenkles @ARNP Correct, money can be the source of much evil and does corrupt things. BUT at least these women are out of it now and are apparently helping patients with their medical conditions AND trying to warn/educate the public. This is NOT just a medical marijuana issue but a medical issue with the clinics. It would be like a non-medical provider opening up a botox clinic or a laser clinic and not being licensed. They can't...so why are they allowed to just because it is medical marijuana....????
@ARNPÂ @Jenkles Would U mind giving out a little more information about this, at least more to google with. The DOH and most of the state web sights are terrible to navigate to find info on. Like Mr Wendler's first name the woman's first/last name, date of the complaint etc. I find this interesting, more interesting than the "investigative report" which seems to miss the real point and was put together horribly. They made the doctor and Chavez look like a disgruntled employee and crooked doctor.
@ARNP @Jenkles I hear what you're saying, but it doesn't excuse or take the responsibility off the shoulders of the ones writing the authorizations.  While the owners might be guilty as all hell, ... it doesn't excuse other people for owning their own crap as well. Its called being a resonsible adult. These aren't kids we're talking about here.Â
@Jenkles @ARNP This is no different than regular practitioners in the medical industry. I think a lot of them start out really wanting to help people and then they find out the money is enormous no matter what field in medicine they are. Its the money that corrupts everything. All this selling of morals for cash has a very bad effect on a society.
@Jenkles @ARNP This sounds like someone from South Sound defending South Sound...Oh well free country....freedom of speech and all that. I am sure the women have taken responsibility since Mr. Wendler tried to put both ladies out of business by lying to the DOH and filing a law suit against one on them. Look up the public records before making a judgment against anyone...I did!
@JenklesIf you read the article it says right there: "Both women have since left South Sound Medicine."
Now who is the stupid one?
@WhatdidIsay? @Jenkles Both women now own and operate a real and legal medical clinic providing all types of health care to patients in the area....not just recommendations! It is America and people have the choice to go to a legal or illegal of their choice.....and we have the choice to quit a job that conflicts with our morals...and they did..
@Tammy Judy @ARNP @Jenkles @WhatdidIsay? And you're wrong.  They're both equally responsible.  These practitioners are not idiots.  They just acted as idiots in this case, unfortunately.Â
@ARNP @Jenkles @WhatdidIsay? I feel it was these clinics are the cause of 1000s of of lives being effected not these providers.
@Jenkles @ARNP @WhatdidIsay? These are only TWO providers out there...They did not cause the problem or "affect the lives of thousands" ...what about the dozens of clinics and providers still doing it incorrectly?
At least they put their license on the line for the truth and to educate the public on these mills....
@ARNP @WhatdidIsay? @Jenkles Yeah, I'm glad they wised up finally.  Unfortunately, the effects of their actions might negatively affect the lives of thousands, and those who are a part of their lives as well, .... its too daunting to think about.  Sad.Â
@WhatdidIsay? @Jenkles What are you talking about? I know that they left.  I'm asking why these fools took the damned job in the FIRST PLACE.  What, they want everyone to think they didn't know what they were getting into? Yeah, sure.  Only someone like YOU would buy a story like that. Shut up.Â
Given the standards for prescribing comparable drugs that kill thousands (like NSAIDs) I would say they are exhibiting perfectly reasonable medical standards.
What do you think the objective tests for needing mmj should be? I will bet you can't tell us.
@ARNP @Jenkles @Tammy Judy @WhatdidIsay? Yes, agreed.
@Tammy Judy @Jenkles @WhatdidIsay? He sucks too and should be ashamed of himself.  He's not to blame for what these women did, however.  That's not what this article is about or what my point was, however.Â
@Jenkles @Tammy Judy @WhatdidIsay? Maybe just stupid for believing the owner of South Sound was a caring church going, husband and father instead a money grubbing crook.....I didn't ever hear them say they wrote thousands of recs they didn't believe in...just that they were PUSHED to see more and more people......
@Jenkles @Tammy Judy @WhatdidIsay? what about the doctors who are working in these places now?What do you think of them?I looked up Paul Wendler on washington courts.gov why dont you.He has a colorfull history that may explain a little better
@Tammy Judy @Jenkles @WhatdidIsay? Or Maybe they're dumb as stumps and should be ashamed of themselves for writing thousands of MMJ prescriptions for people they didn't believe needed them.  That was THEIR choice, not the clinics.  Shame on them, and nobody else.  The real problem is that these women can't take responsibility for their own actions, and are looking to blame someone else for their own bad feelings they battle daily for being stupid.
@Jenkles @WhatdidIsay? maby they were lied to.