Group opposed to same-sex marriage releases TV ads

OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - The group fighting to overturn Washington's same-sex marriage law has started running its first TV ads in the state on Thursday.
The 30-second ad from Preserve Marriage Washington is running statewide on both broadcast and cable channels.
Referendum 74 asks voters to either approve or reject the state's gay marriage law that was passed by the Legislature and signed by Gov. Chris Gregoire earlier this year. That law is on hold pending next month's vote.
The ad says that because gay and lesbian couples already have all of the same legal rights of married couples under the state's current domestic partnership law, that R-74 should be rejected.
"You can oppose same-sex marriage and not be anti-gay," the ad says.
The ad, which opens with a picture of a rainbow flag, also warns of potential lawsuits or fines for those opposed to same-sex marriage if the referendum is approved.
Preserve Marriage spokesman Chip White pointed to a recent lawsuit settlement in Vermont between an inn and two New York women over an accusation it refused to host the couple's wedding reception. He cited cases from other states that have civil unions or domestic partnerships that have seen similar lawsuits.
"I don't think we need to limit ourselves to only looking at the states that have same-sex marriage to see what kind of lawsuits happen when marriage is redefined," he said.
But Andy Grow, a spokesman for Washington United for Marriage, said discrimination based on sexual orientation is already illegal under the state's anti-discrimination law, which was expanded in 2006 to cover gays and lesbians. And, he notes, no known lawsuits like White points to have occurred in Washington state under the state's current "everything but marriage" domestic partnership law that grants gay and lesbian couples all the state-granted rights and benefits that married couples have.
Washington United for Marriage, the campaign working to uphold the law, issued a statement saying the ad's sole intention was to mislead and scare voters.
"Simply put, our law hurts no one, and better protects all loving couples and their families," wrote campaign spokesman Zach Silk.
Same-sex marriage is currently legal in New York, Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont and Washington, D.C.
Maryland legalized gay marriage this year as well, but that state will also have a public vote this fall. In Maine, voters will decide on an initiative to approve same-sex marriage three years after a referendum overturned a law passed by the Maine Legislature. And in Minnesota, voters will decide whether or not to pass a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage there.
The first television ad supporting gay marriage in Washington state ran during the Olympics in July, and was paid for by the Seattle-based Pride Foundation. That ad featured former Republican Sen. Cheryl Pflug, who voted for the gay marriage bill passed by the Legislature this year. Since then, Washington United for Marriage has run a series of ads in support of the measure.
Preserve Marriage, which pushed to get the referendum on the ballot, has raised more than $1.7 million in opposition to the law. Washington United for Marriage has raised more than $8.9 million.
The 30-second ad from Preserve Marriage Washington is running statewide on both broadcast and cable channels.
Referendum 74 asks voters to either approve or reject the state's gay marriage law that was passed by the Legislature and signed by Gov. Chris Gregoire earlier this year. That law is on hold pending next month's vote.
The ad says that because gay and lesbian couples already have all of the same legal rights of married couples under the state's current domestic partnership law, that R-74 should be rejected.
"You can oppose same-sex marriage and not be anti-gay," the ad says.
The ad, which opens with a picture of a rainbow flag, also warns of potential lawsuits or fines for those opposed to same-sex marriage if the referendum is approved.
Preserve Marriage spokesman Chip White pointed to a recent lawsuit settlement in Vermont between an inn and two New York women over an accusation it refused to host the couple's wedding reception. He cited cases from other states that have civil unions or domestic partnerships that have seen similar lawsuits.
"I don't think we need to limit ourselves to only looking at the states that have same-sex marriage to see what kind of lawsuits happen when marriage is redefined," he said.
But Andy Grow, a spokesman for Washington United for Marriage, said discrimination based on sexual orientation is already illegal under the state's anti-discrimination law, which was expanded in 2006 to cover gays and lesbians. And, he notes, no known lawsuits like White points to have occurred in Washington state under the state's current "everything but marriage" domestic partnership law that grants gay and lesbian couples all the state-granted rights and benefits that married couples have.
Washington United for Marriage, the campaign working to uphold the law, issued a statement saying the ad's sole intention was to mislead and scare voters.
"Simply put, our law hurts no one, and better protects all loving couples and their families," wrote campaign spokesman Zach Silk.
Same-sex marriage is currently legal in New York, Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont and Washington, D.C.
Maryland legalized gay marriage this year as well, but that state will also have a public vote this fall. In Maine, voters will decide on an initiative to approve same-sex marriage three years after a referendum overturned a law passed by the Maine Legislature. And in Minnesota, voters will decide whether or not to pass a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage there.
The first television ad supporting gay marriage in Washington state ran during the Olympics in July, and was paid for by the Seattle-based Pride Foundation. That ad featured former Republican Sen. Cheryl Pflug, who voted for the gay marriage bill passed by the Legislature this year. Since then, Washington United for Marriage has run a series of ads in support of the measure.
Preserve Marriage, which pushed to get the referendum on the ballot, has raised more than $1.7 million in opposition to the law. Washington United for Marriage has raised more than $8.9 million.
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Well as a former medical professional, I know that the increased blood pressure is good for all regarding these posts!!! I love it!!
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The Harvard Journal Article is online - please download and read the 43 pages. It doesn't take too long and is very scholarly and well thought out. It covers Equality, Justice and the Heart of the Debate, -- If Not Same-Sex Couples, Why Infertile Ones, -- Challenges for Revisionists -- and Isn't It Only Natural -- among all other related topics. It never uses religion to make any of its points.
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On page 13 it also references another prominent paper delineating research results: "Ten Principles on Marriage and the Public Good, signed by some seventy scholars, which corroborates the philosophical case for marriage with extensive evidence from the social sciences about the welfare of children and adults. The Witherspoon Institute, Marriage and the Public Good: Ten Principles 9-19 (2008), available at http://www.winst.org/family_marriage_and_democracy/WI_Marriage.pdf"
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(All from "What is Marriage?" by Sherif Girgis*, Robert P. George**, & Ryan T. Anderson***, Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy Vol 34, No. 1. Winter 2011.)
* Ph.D .Candidate in Philosophy, Princeton University.
** McCormick Professor of Jusrisprudence, Princeton University.
*** Ph.D. Candidate in Political Science, University of Notre Dame
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Retrieved Oct 26, 2012 from http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1722155## [Click on "Download this Paper"]
if anyone wants to know what a bible based marriage is I suggest you watch this:
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WWJD or say about gay marriage? STFU and mind your own business.
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Just let the voters decide this issue on November 6 !
Oh for crying out loud, THIS is getting ridiculous! I am a Christian, and I'd really like to encourage my fellow "Christians" to follow an old saying that you MAY have seen on a bumper sticker somewhere........"Let Go, Let God" Let Go of the bias, and judgmental garbage against homosexuals. Let go, and let them marry and have the same rights WE have. And last but not least, Let go, and let GOD judge. IT'S NOT OUR JOB! Try the "love one another" theory, and let God take care of what HE doesn't agree with in the end. Until then, let's try to stick with the BIGGEST message throughout the Bible.........Love One Another. Our time on this earth is short. Let's stop fighting while we're here. Everything will be answered in the end, and then, we'll ALL know who was right.
@Wolfen There are many christains who disagree with you about your view on same sex marriage, just look at how many signatures that where collected to put this issue on the ballot. I reallize that not all of the signatures where Christians, but most where.  I am not trying to influence anybody on this issue. Everybody going to have an different view on this issue. Just let the voters decide this issue in November.
 @Hotrod  @Wolfen You do realize that if R-74 does not pass, it will get struck down by the courts. Gay marriage will be legal in Wa State because according to the US Constitution you simply can not vote away the inalienable rights of a minority.
 @Hotrod How do you know which signatures collected were from Christians and which were not?
Yes! God will judge them & send them into hell!!
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...probably tell you to STFU and let him worry about it.
 @Thomas Dickensheets you are an idiot
 @Thomas Dickensheets actually you are judging which makes you the one who decided your own fate of burning for eternity. Â
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Please pass the popcorn! This going take long time!
How could gay marriage harm anyone?
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Those are the some of the most moronic reasons to ban "Gay Marriage"
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Seriously?... The population base would suffer? Seriously? When society has idiots like "Octomom" squirting out babies every 3 seconds?
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Yeah.. .society is going to just shrivel up and blow away with all that gay marriage going around.
...and maybe it should because we're doing a REAL good job here on planet earth.
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1. that can happen now without gay marriage, unless you suport discrimination
2. Most of those "health risk" are due to promescuity. Marriage would reduce that.
3. Nothing is being forced on anyone. And no one has yet to ever explain how anything is being forced on someone. Â
4. An attempt to link gay marriage to pedophilia.... In other words... a strawman argument.
5. They are already not having children.  Unless you think single gay people are more likely to have children than married gay people.
6. How? And if so..... is there a point? If your spiritual beleifs are determined by what two gay guys do.... then that is 100% you problem.
7. So did the laws that got rid of the bans on interracial marriage.Â
8. The only people who will redicule kids adopted by gay people.... are the children of the so called "christians" who oppose gay marriage.  In other words, the people of Carm.org.
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 @T H I S  @Thomas Dickensheets ACTUALLY....according to this video there is no population crisis and hormonal contraceptives are going to be the real doom of the human race. No reason the gays have to take the rap. Women are pretty used to shouldering that stuff.  Also, they make men gay and women undesierable.  Enjoy.  http://www.upworthy.com/wow-just-wow-anti-women-propaganda-at-its-finest
 @Thomas Dickensheets Gay marriage harms no one. 1. Homosexuals can sue for discrimination whether there is gay marriage or not. 2. Gay does equal AIDS. Gays are no more unhealthy than heterosexuals and this does not affect heterosexual marriage. 3. Gay marriage does not redefine the morals for anyone. Just because gays get married doesn't mean everyone else is somehow forced to change their beliefs. 4. Gay marriage will not cause everyone else to suddenly have different kinds of sex. They can do that already without gay marriage. 5. Gay marriage does not reduce the number of children born. Gays usually don't have children whether they get married or not. 6. The government will not force homosexuality upon the youth or anyone else if gay marriage is legalized. This is just a stupid scare tactic. 8. Children can already be adopted by homosexuals whether gay marriage is legal or not. These arguments are lame!
You are going to confuse the fundie with facts.
 @Thomas Dickensheets You know, I could also argue that having 2 young men dressed in black suits, white shirts, and black string ties come to my door does "harm" to my tranquility - and makes my 2 year old Black Lab/Rhodesian Ridgeback go ballistic...And I would have a much better case.
For everything mentioned in that page - and yes, I did go to it and start to read the irrational nonsense bilge scum presented there - I could just as easily apply to a sanctimonious fundy like you when I have to cohabit this planet with your kind. The same tripe was used to prevent all kinds of people from living where and ding what they had a right to do...some of my own great-grandparents had to put up with a lot of it when they came to this land of Opportunity during the great famine in Ireland. They stood their ground, made a place for themselves in this nation, and put the "No Dogs or Irish Allowed" signs in the latrine of history where they belonged...They told the sheetheads to take a flying leap and went on with building a nation.
"Just facts ma'am! Just the facts!"
 @EMDF9A Fundies are never confused by facts, they just ignore them.
I saw that stupid ad posted on youtube and I see that they have the comment section closed because they are afraid of responses. Their ad says that gays have the same rights as married couples, but that is a lie. The ad says you can oppose same sex marriage and not be anti-gay. That is kinda like saying that you can hate the sin but love the sinner, but that is a big crock of BS. If you vote to deny someone their civil rights, then you are being bigoted and hateful. There is no love there. When you vote against R-74 you are imposing your religious views upon someone else and denying them the right to have their unions recognized by the state which protects their joint property rights, their right to be recognized as next of kin and make legal decisions because of that.
Those getting all sweaty and obsessive about what goes on in other people's bedrooms are the real perverts. Just say no to perverts: approve ref 74.
I vote no.
 @Thomas Dickensheets And you have that right.
Which doesn't make your vote right.
You know that Christians going vote no on R-74.
The right wing fundie pseudo Christians might, but those that follow Christ's command of "Love thy neighbor as thyself" will support R74
 @Thomas Dickensheets  Only the extremists full of hate will vote no. Â
What does the Bible say about gay marriage / same sex marriage?
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It says absolutely nothing... and Leviticus was a nut-job.
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 @Thomas Dickensheets is this the same bible that said you can not eat lobster, where mixed fiber clothes, and that a rape victim myst marry her rapists?Â
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Yeah.. thanks... but Im less of a "myth" person, and more of a "science" person.
@Thomas Dickensheets My question to you is this: are those who wrote the books of the Bible registered to vote in this election? If not, then they really don't have a say in the matter (it might also have something to do with the fact they are all dead) Do we have a theocracy for our government? You know the answer--NO. So, religion really doesn't play into the question on the ballot. If you choose to let your religion guide your thinking--great--just make sure you read the entire Bible and what it has to say about behavior while here on this earth. Otherwise, we are no different than some Mideastern countries who establish their laws based upon their religion. If you truly think that is the way a government should be run--go there, observe how it works, then come back (if you must), and see how well that goes over in our democracy. In the meantime, vote your conscience, but don't expect that by using the Bible as reference you will influence too many people on the same-sex marriage issue.
@chickysgirl Who is trying to influence who?  As a voter, I have the right to choose to vote anyway I want. I am against same sex marriage because of my beliefs that I grew up with. Homosexality is a sin and supporting a sin is a sin. My religion does play into how I vote. I am not trying to influence anybody on this issue.
 @Thomas Dickensheets I would just like to point out that the first verse that the site uses from the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus isn't talking about gay/same sex marriage but answering a question on DIVORCE. It always makes me giggle when Christians use that verse for the claim that Jesus spoke against it when he in fact did not...Paul spoke against it, but NOT Jesus...try reading your bible once and a while
 @Thomas Dickensheets In this country the US constitution is the supreme law of the land. People receive a marriage license from the government and not the church. Gays are not seeking a religious ceremony or recognition from a church or a religion so the bible and what it says about homosexuality has no legal bearing upon marriage in this country.
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 @Thomas Dickensheets actually more and more historians and bible researchers have come to the conclusion that Jesus was a gay man. Â
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 @Thomas Dickensheets Same thing he has always done, NOTHING.
What will Jesus do?
 @Thomas Dickensheets And Jesus would kick your arse out of the temple, down the main street and out of town, all the way to the community midden heap.
A Satan's lie!
 @Thomas Dickensheets I worship no one.
What the Bible say about same sex marriage?
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God tell the truth!
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You tell lies!
 @Thomas Dickensheets If I have to depend upon a "god" to save me I'm in big trouble.
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Is that another way of saying that he doesn't have a leg to stand on?...<G>
Begone Satan! You worship false god that never saved you!
 @Thomas Dickensheets You wouldn't know the truth it it bit you on the ankle.