Group presses state lawmakers for more education dollars

SEATTLE (AP) - A coalition of school districts, teachers, parents and education groups that sued the state over the way it pays for public schools sent a pointed letter pressing lawmakers for a bold increase in education spending this year.
"The Supreme Court and the families of one million Washington students are watching to see if you will abide by the law. Please, do not defy the court order. Our children are depending upon you," Nick Brossoit, superintendent of the Edmonds School District, wrote on behalf of the 420-member Network for Excellence in Washington Schools.
A year ago, the Washington Supreme Court ruled in what is known as the McCleary case that the state is not fulfilling its constitutional duty to pay for basic education and is relying too much on school districts to raise extra dollars through local levies.
The justices want to see the Legislature pay for previously adopted education reforms and proof of yearly progress toward completing the work by 2018.
The letter reminds lawmakers that the Supreme Court was not happy with the first progress report filed in September.
The high court told lawmakers in December they must have something better to report after they finish their work this spring.
"Steady progress requires forward movement. Slowing the pace of funding cuts is necessary, but it does not equate to forward progress," wrote Chief Justice Barbara Madsen in the order filed in December.
Lawmakers are in the sixth week of the 15-week session and have yet to agree on how much of a down payment is needed this year.
The differences involve policy debates as well as dollars, but both Democrats and Republicans have promised to reach a compromise before going home.
"With or without that letter we know what the McCleary decision said and we're working to find a solution to it this year," said Rep. Pat Sullivan, D-Covington, who is the House majority leader.
He's in Olympia to represent the families who are working hard to make sure their kids have every opportunity to be successful, he said on Thursday.
The Senate Education Committee so far has focused on further education reforms rather than how to pay for the moves the Legislature has already approved, but the committee chair, Sen. Steve Litzow, R-Mercer Island, said he's also working on the dollars behind the scenes.
He said Thursday that he agrees with the letter, but money is only part of the solution.
"What we're trying to figure out is how do we do more with more. The last thing we want to do is just put more money in and not have student learning go up," he said.
Brossoit assumes lawmakers are sincere in their efforts to improve education, but he worries about overly simplistic policy changes that won't cure education opportunity or achievement gaps between rich and poor kids.
Helping kids who are behind their classmates and state standards is something educators already know how to do, Brossoit said Thursday. It takes hard work by extra staff who give struggling kids the extra help they need and that won't happen without extra money, he added.
The letter expresses the coalition's impatience, but it is intended to inform and guide lawmakers, not lobby, Brossoit said. In addition to the letter, the coalition sent a chart illustrating what it calls a lack of progress toward fully paying for the cost of basic education.
When the state prevails in a legal matter, the government wouldn't consider just forgiving the defendant, Brossoit said. Now the Legislature is in the opposite position and the coalition expects it to stop avoiding the issue and act, he said.
"The general public gets it. People understand that public schools have not been properly funded for years," he said.
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Associated Press writer Jonathan Kaminsky in Olympia contributed to this report.
"The Supreme Court and the families of one million Washington students are watching to see if you will abide by the law. Please, do not defy the court order. Our children are depending upon you," Nick Brossoit, superintendent of the Edmonds School District, wrote on behalf of the 420-member Network for Excellence in Washington Schools.
A year ago, the Washington Supreme Court ruled in what is known as the McCleary case that the state is not fulfilling its constitutional duty to pay for basic education and is relying too much on school districts to raise extra dollars through local levies.
The justices want to see the Legislature pay for previously adopted education reforms and proof of yearly progress toward completing the work by 2018.
The letter reminds lawmakers that the Supreme Court was not happy with the first progress report filed in September.
The high court told lawmakers in December they must have something better to report after they finish their work this spring.
"Steady progress requires forward movement. Slowing the pace of funding cuts is necessary, but it does not equate to forward progress," wrote Chief Justice Barbara Madsen in the order filed in December.
Lawmakers are in the sixth week of the 15-week session and have yet to agree on how much of a down payment is needed this year.
The differences involve policy debates as well as dollars, but both Democrats and Republicans have promised to reach a compromise before going home.
"With or without that letter we know what the McCleary decision said and we're working to find a solution to it this year," said Rep. Pat Sullivan, D-Covington, who is the House majority leader.
He's in Olympia to represent the families who are working hard to make sure their kids have every opportunity to be successful, he said on Thursday.
The Senate Education Committee so far has focused on further education reforms rather than how to pay for the moves the Legislature has already approved, but the committee chair, Sen. Steve Litzow, R-Mercer Island, said he's also working on the dollars behind the scenes.
He said Thursday that he agrees with the letter, but money is only part of the solution.
"What we're trying to figure out is how do we do more with more. The last thing we want to do is just put more money in and not have student learning go up," he said.
Brossoit assumes lawmakers are sincere in their efforts to improve education, but he worries about overly simplistic policy changes that won't cure education opportunity or achievement gaps between rich and poor kids.
Helping kids who are behind their classmates and state standards is something educators already know how to do, Brossoit said Thursday. It takes hard work by extra staff who give struggling kids the extra help they need and that won't happen without extra money, he added.
The letter expresses the coalition's impatience, but it is intended to inform and guide lawmakers, not lobby, Brossoit said. In addition to the letter, the coalition sent a chart illustrating what it calls a lack of progress toward fully paying for the cost of basic education.
When the state prevails in a legal matter, the government wouldn't consider just forgiving the defendant, Brossoit said. Now the Legislature is in the opposite position and the coalition expects it to stop avoiding the issue and act, he said.
"The general public gets it. People understand that public schools have not been properly funded for years," he said.
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Associated Press writer Jonathan Kaminsky in Olympia contributed to this report.
NO, NO, NO, NO. This is only ONE example among HUNDREDS.
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2014303247_audit23m.html
No more money for our corrupt, fraudlulent school systems until every sitting administrator is fired and the Olympia administration is completely cleaned out.
Maybe Randy Dorn should have thought about stopping fraud and waste INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR MORE MONEY.
Not a single dime for any part of WA's government until the fraud and abuse STOPS.
Y would you give them more money if you are going to get the same results
Ill agree that our schools are underfunded. Â However, I think we can all agree that they do not use the money they receive very well.
How much do isolation booths cost, both in the installation, materials and lawsuits? Â This is just a current example of misused education funds.
Seems to me that public schools have lost their way. Â They have delved into areas that do not concern them and neglected their core responsibilities.
Underfunded? Really? Have you looked at how much the state spends, per year, per child? And then, have you done the math when you think about how many students are in one room, and considering a teacher's salary? Underfunded? I think not!
@James127Â Yes, underfunded and that is supported by the courts. Â
Oh and here is the table for teacher salaries in Washington.
http://www.k12.wa.us/safs/PUB/PER/SalAllocSchedule.pdf  A first year police officer with no degree makes more.Â
Lets see here, the building costs money, power, water, maintenance, books, paper, computers, and all the other stuff are part of the amount spent per child. Â
@sometimesright The comparison of a teacher to a police officer was simply a comparison of pay to education ratio.  Teachers must have a BA and continue to go to school yet earn significantly less than police that are not required to have any such education.  It astounds me that people will gripe about how much they pay teachers yet have no clue what they earn nor what is expected of them.
@Ventura66 Well stated. Not sure what a cop has to do with this...another fallacy (as usual from the Leonardo DeCaprio wanna be). It is always easier to switch the debate to another topic than to defend your sorry line of reasoning....as DeadRabitz has here.
@DeadRabitz...Sigh....
So the Washington Supreme Court has inserted itself into a place it is not authorized. There is NOTHING in the Washington State Constitution that gives the Supreme Court the authority to decide financial expenditures of the government. That is the job of the legislature. You stating that because the Supreme Court said it was so is nothing but a thinned logical fallacy of attempting to argue from authority.This does not answer the question.What is next then?The Supreme Court gets to state what dollar amount is âConstitutionalâ...then they get to decide where the money will come from?What other programs will get cut to pay for it?Who or what will be taxed and at what rate?This is why the Supreme Court decision is nothing but an empty joke.It has no teeth behind it and it never will and there is no practical way for the Supreme Court to enforce it.It is a simple separation of powers argument where the Supreme Court attempted to insert themselves as the legislature and it will never fly.ONLY our elected legislature and the Governor can decide how much is enough, not the Supreme Court, which has no taxing authority.
@DeadRabitz
What are you implying here? For the most part I am for increasing salaries and benefits for teachers, but where do you get off comparing a teacher to a Police Officer. Law Enforcement Officers are men and women who usually have some time in college, (a lot of them even have degrees) military experience, and a ton of vocational training. (IE:academy, post academy training, and yearly/bi-yearly training.) Law enforcement Officers also work nights, week ends, holidays, and summers. When you call 911 because you are the victim of a crime, who do you want to respond, someone with an educational degree, or someone who is trained to deal with emergencies? I think most rational people will want to see a law enforcement officer or firefighter when needed.
Please stop comparing apples to oranges. If you want an increase in pay for teachers, make an argument to why the are important for teaching kids.
@sometimesright Sigh...
"The Washington Supreme Court issued a ruling Thursday that the state has failed to properly fund basic K-12 education, violating the state Constitution, and has ordered the Legislature to fill the void in the next six years."
Your argument is simply incorrect. Â All you see is what they spend, not what the costs are. Â http://www.statebudgetsolutions.org/publications/detail/supreme-court-washington-isnt-fully-funding-education
@DeadRabitz..."supported by the courts"...how exactly does this logical fallacy prove underfunding? So whatever the courts say must be true? They spend about $13,000 per student. How much more do you want? Bellermine Prep costs less than this ($12,000)...Kings High School ($12,000)...etc, etc..If these private schools that pay less can do it, why can't the drop out factories of public schools?
School choice is the answer...they only answer.
The educational system in Washington State is broken and no amount of money will fix it.
So what is the State Supreme Court going to do if the lawmakers aren't successful in raising the funds for our schools? Are they going to throw all the lawmakers in jail? Are they going to fine the lawmakers on a daily basis until the lawmakers meet satisfactory funding?Â
And I call BULLSHHHH on this, "Helping kids who are behind their classmates and state standards is something educators already know how to do, Brossoit said Thursday. It takes hard work by extra staff who give struggling kids the extra help they need and that won't happen without extra money, he added." Schools DO receive extra money for kids who are on IEPs (Individualized Education Program) and Medicaid. When my son was placed on an IEP his school wanted me to sign a waiver form so that they could collect the extra funds, but when I told them that we had private insurance, not state medical, they said nevermind.Â
Sorry, they can't give you any money. Â They are to busy paying for college educations for illegal immigrants to fun schools for the children of tax paying citizens. Â
@FBrumfield The state does not pay for college for illegal immigrants. Â
@DeadRabitz @FBrumfield Last week I read an article that legislation was being pushed to give Illegals grants for tuition to help them become better citizens.
@FBrumfield @DeadRabitz That is simple lobbying.  Anyone can go and lobby for what they want.  That does not mean they will get it.  As the law currently sits, the state does not provide finical assistance to illegal assistance to illegal allies who want to attend college.  It's a false statement.
@DeadRabitz @FBrumfield  No, they don't pay DIRECTLY for illegals They get "in-state" tuition rates. And the UW conveniently lists all the places to go for free money. Of course, they are certain to avail themselves of any subsidized student services. Â
http://www.washington.edu/dreamproject/students/finances/scholarships-for-undocuments-students/
Time to end all property taxes for funding schools. Just another added burden on poor people  lucky enough to have been able to get a home, plus property taxes just lead to higher rent. Time to make some cuts in pay and retirement for school workers too. All these taxes are just getting to be too burdensome for poor people. Hell we have people committing crimes all the time just so they can have a dry place to sleep with 3 meals a day. Its embarrassing to have to admit I'm an Amerikan any more.
@Blindman I'm embarrassed to think you are one.
Seriously, If you are poor in America, it's probably your fault.
@DeadRabitz @Blindman Ah, and the rich deserve to be so rich they can pay the poor workers peanuts and pay no taxes. And the people working full time and not make enough to live on.......well....... hey, look over there! Poor people who don't make enough to pay taxes, people on assistance sucking the life out of the very rich, there's your problem!Â
@Salix @DeadRabitz @Blindman I don't have a problem.  I have worked hard and made my money my self. I pay my taxes and make good financial decisions.  It's not my fault if someone fails to earn.  It's theirs.Â
No one is making anyone stay in a bad, low paying job. Â They can quit, they can go to school, they can go into the military, they have lots of opportunities open to them yet, they sit back and squander their resources. Â
For years I drove Beater cars, cars that cost only a few hundred bucks. Â I would do my own maintenance. Â I shop at good will and ate cheep. Â I saved and invested my money while working and going to school. Â I succeeded through my own hard work, I wasn't born rich. Â In fact I grew up very, very poor. Â I deserve my money because I worked for it.
As for taxes, heck last year I paid 10k in property taxes. Â The issue I have is not the amount paid but the value of service received. Â
Your going to see and hear this word a lot. ENOUGH!