Record-setting rains, gusty winds make travel a headache
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SEATTLE -- A record-setting rain poured down and winds howled across much of Western Washington Monday, toppling trees, knocking out power and turning some streets into impromptu swimming pools.
Over 2 inches of rain fell in the Seattle Metro area with greater amounts out toward the coast and in the hills. Several streets were flooded and there were dozens of accidents, crippling the morning commute. Over on the northern Oregon and southern Washington coast, winds blasted to hurricane-force strength, even reaching triple digits on some of the exposed hilltops.
In Pacific County, a trooper and another driver miraculously escaped injury when a tree fell on the trooper's car Monday morning.
The trooper had stopped for a mudslide on US 101 at milepost 30, said Trooper Russ Winger, a spokesman for the Washington State Patrol. As the trooper sat in the car, another car pulled up along side him. Suddenly, a tree fell over on top of the trooper's car, setting it on fire.
The trooper managed to crawl out the passenger door as the fire started, then broke out the window of the other car and freed the woman inside, Winger said.
The trooper then went back to this patrol car and removed the weapons to prevent ammunition from exploding.
The Washington State Department of Transportation reports there were more trees down on Highway 101 about 30 miles north along the Pacific and Grays Harbor County line. Trees were also reported down across SR-107 near Preachers Slough Road.
The strong winds gusting over 60 mph were also knocking out power along the coast. Grays Harbor PUD says power was out to about 2,500 customers as of late Monday morning.
Wind gusts were even stronger along the southern Washington and Oregon Coast. A semi overturned on the Astoria-Megler Bridge as wind gauges nearby reported a gust to 101 mph. Across the border in Naselle, Washington, a wind gauge high up in the Willapa Hills hit a gust of 114 mph. . Astoria had a gust to 92 mph, with gusts to 75-80 mph common along Newport and Tillamook.
Closer to home, in Lacey, gusty winds toppled a large tree into a car in the 6700 block of Martin Way E., witnesses said.
Around Seattle and the Central Puget Sound area, it was the rain that was the biggest headache. State and city Department of Transportation and utility crews were busy clearing clogged storm drains where standing water was backing up into lanes of traffic.
The southbound lanes of Highway 99 approaching the Battery Street Tunnel were entirely covered with water during Monday morning's commute, slowing traffic to a crawl, and Mercer Street below the highway was also flooded. In the afternoon, Mercer Street was again the scene of problems as the traffic light went out at the busy intersection with Dexter, leading to a few accidents.
Overall, troopers in King County reported 66 car crashes through 4 p.m. with the evening commute still yet to commence, while Thurston and Pierce County had a combined 20 crashes.
Reports of other flooded streets were widespread across the Puget Sound area. Bothell was hit particularly hard with streets flooded around the 21400 block of 35th Ave. SE.
Wind combined with the rains and soggy grounds to topple trees into power lines. Puget Sound Energy reported 23,000 people in the dark Monday afternoon -- mainly on Vashon and Bainbridge Islands, while Seattle City Light reported 4,000 people without power in the North Queen Anne, Discovery Park and Fremont.
Mudslides in North Seattle affected passenger train service between Seattle and points north. Sound Transit had to cancel Northline Sounder service between Seattle and Everett while Amtrak said service was disrupted between Seattle and Vancouver, B.C. It will remain that way until at least Wednesday due to a required 48 hour wait after a mudslide.
Over 10 mudslides fell along the route with some trees that fell measuring 40 feet tall and 2 feet in diameter, said Gus Melonas with Burlington Northern-Santa Fe.
In Everett, heavy rains caused 10 of 12 combined sewer outfalls to overflow into the Snohomish River and Port Gardner Bay, the city said. One of the sewer lift stations in the separated system also overflowed for approximately 55 minutes. Quantities are unknown at this time.
Everett has notified local agencies including State departments of Health and Ecology, Snohomish Health District and Port of Everett.
In Kitsap County, street flooding has been an issue in both Bremerton and Port Orchard.
In Downtown Port Orchard, water was up about halfway to cars' tires as the rain poured down there. Flooding was also causing issues along Seabeck Highway and Arnold Avenue, off Beach Drive in South Kitsap.
Water also covered four blocks of Kirkland's Totem Lake Blvd from 120th Ave NE to 124th Ave NE late Monday morning, Other spots around that city also having urban flooding, including Billy Creek, the Plaza at Yarrow Bay and a slide reported at 405 Lake Street. In Bellevue, part of the new northbound I-405 by-pass ramp to Eastbound SR-520 was closed due to rainwater causing erosion under the ramp.
Strong winds also caused a truck to overturn on the Chehalis Bridge.
The National Weather Service is also warning of increased risks of landslides and mudslides as the heavy rain falls.
Heavier rains were falling in the mountains, prompting Flood Warnings for the Skokomish, Chehalis and Newakum Rivers. Moderate flooding was expected on the Newakum and Chehalis with minor flooding on the Skokomish.
Centralia declared a local state of emergency and opened up an emergency shelter as local rivers and streams were expected to climb over flood stage.
The heavy rainfall also prompted King County to open its Flood Warning Center on Monday evening.
Both King and Snohomish Counties announced overflow sites were the sewer system is overflowing due to storm water.
Seattle weather calendar says rain today is no surprise
For those who follow the Seattle weather calendar, rain today should not have been a surprise.
November 19 is statistically the most likely day to have rain in Seattle, as it has rained a whopping 88 times in the past 119 years, according to this chart.
Make that 89 out of 120.
No other day on that chart is even close (second-wettest is 81 times on Dec. 29). What's even more amazing about the gravitation of rain to this date is that the other dates surrounding the 19th have "only" had rain about 65 times -- about 20 percent less.
But to give an idea of how wet Monday was, in all those 88 times it's rained before on this date, it's never rained this much. Through 10 a.m., Seattle had already set its daily rainfall record with 1.48" of rain, breaking the old record of 1.23" set in 1962, and the rain was still coming down.
Heavy rains were expected to taper off Monday evening but several more storms are lined up to keep the rain going through Thanksgiving weekend.
Peak Gusts In Windstorm:
Over 2 inches of rain fell in the Seattle Metro area with greater amounts out toward the coast and in the hills. Several streets were flooded and there were dozens of accidents, crippling the morning commute. Over on the northern Oregon and southern Washington coast, winds blasted to hurricane-force strength, even reaching triple digits on some of the exposed hilltops.
In Pacific County, a trooper and another driver miraculously escaped injury when a tree fell on the trooper's car Monday morning.
The trooper had stopped for a mudslide on US 101 at milepost 30, said Trooper Russ Winger, a spokesman for the Washington State Patrol. As the trooper sat in the car, another car pulled up along side him. Suddenly, a tree fell over on top of the trooper's car, setting it on fire.
The trooper managed to crawl out the passenger door as the fire started, then broke out the window of the other car and freed the woman inside, Winger said.
The trooper then went back to this patrol car and removed the weapons to prevent ammunition from exploding.
The Washington State Department of Transportation reports there were more trees down on Highway 101 about 30 miles north along the Pacific and Grays Harbor County line. Trees were also reported down across SR-107 near Preachers Slough Road.
The strong winds gusting over 60 mph were also knocking out power along the coast. Grays Harbor PUD says power was out to about 2,500 customers as of late Monday morning.
Wind gusts were even stronger along the southern Washington and Oregon Coast. A semi overturned on the Astoria-Megler Bridge as wind gauges nearby reported a gust to 101 mph. Across the border in Naselle, Washington, a wind gauge high up in the Willapa Hills hit a gust of 114 mph. . Astoria had a gust to 92 mph, with gusts to 75-80 mph common along Newport and Tillamook.
Closer to home, in Lacey, gusty winds toppled a large tree into a car in the 6700 block of Martin Way E., witnesses said.
Around Seattle and the Central Puget Sound area, it was the rain that was the biggest headache. State and city Department of Transportation and utility crews were busy clearing clogged storm drains where standing water was backing up into lanes of traffic.
The southbound lanes of Highway 99 approaching the Battery Street Tunnel were entirely covered with water during Monday morning's commute, slowing traffic to a crawl, and Mercer Street below the highway was also flooded. In the afternoon, Mercer Street was again the scene of problems as the traffic light went out at the busy intersection with Dexter, leading to a few accidents.
Overall, troopers in King County reported 66 car crashes through 4 p.m. with the evening commute still yet to commence, while Thurston and Pierce County had a combined 20 crashes.
Reports of other flooded streets were widespread across the Puget Sound area. Bothell was hit particularly hard with streets flooded around the 21400 block of 35th Ave. SE.
Wind combined with the rains and soggy grounds to topple trees into power lines. Puget Sound Energy reported 23,000 people in the dark Monday afternoon -- mainly on Vashon and Bainbridge Islands, while Seattle City Light reported 4,000 people without power in the North Queen Anne, Discovery Park and Fremont.
Mudslides in North Seattle affected passenger train service between Seattle and points north. Sound Transit had to cancel Northline Sounder service between Seattle and Everett while Amtrak said service was disrupted between Seattle and Vancouver, B.C. It will remain that way until at least Wednesday due to a required 48 hour wait after a mudslide.
Over 10 mudslides fell along the route with some trees that fell measuring 40 feet tall and 2 feet in diameter, said Gus Melonas with Burlington Northern-Santa Fe.
In Everett, heavy rains caused 10 of 12 combined sewer outfalls to overflow into the Snohomish River and Port Gardner Bay, the city said. One of the sewer lift stations in the separated system also overflowed for approximately 55 minutes. Quantities are unknown at this time.
Everett has notified local agencies including State departments of Health and Ecology, Snohomish Health District and Port of Everett.
In Kitsap County, street flooding has been an issue in both Bremerton and Port Orchard.
In Downtown Port Orchard, water was up about halfway to cars' tires as the rain poured down there. Flooding was also causing issues along Seabeck Highway and Arnold Avenue, off Beach Drive in South Kitsap.
Water also covered four blocks of Kirkland's Totem Lake Blvd from 120th Ave NE to 124th Ave NE late Monday morning, Other spots around that city also having urban flooding, including Billy Creek, the Plaza at Yarrow Bay and a slide reported at 405 Lake Street. In Bellevue, part of the new northbound I-405 by-pass ramp to Eastbound SR-520 was closed due to rainwater causing erosion under the ramp.
Strong winds also caused a truck to overturn on the Chehalis Bridge.
The National Weather Service is also warning of increased risks of landslides and mudslides as the heavy rain falls.
Heavier rains were falling in the mountains, prompting Flood Warnings for the Skokomish, Chehalis and Newakum Rivers. Moderate flooding was expected on the Newakum and Chehalis with minor flooding on the Skokomish.
Centralia declared a local state of emergency and opened up an emergency shelter as local rivers and streams were expected to climb over flood stage.
The heavy rainfall also prompted King County to open its Flood Warning Center on Monday evening.
Both King and Snohomish Counties announced overflow sites were the sewer system is overflowing due to storm water.
Seattle weather calendar says rain today is no surprise
For those who follow the Seattle weather calendar, rain today should not have been a surprise.
November 19 is statistically the most likely day to have rain in Seattle, as it has rained a whopping 88 times in the past 119 years, according to this chart.
Make that 89 out of 120.
No other day on that chart is even close (second-wettest is 81 times on Dec. 29). What's even more amazing about the gravitation of rain to this date is that the other dates surrounding the 19th have "only" had rain about 65 times -- about 20 percent less.
But to give an idea of how wet Monday was, in all those 88 times it's rained before on this date, it's never rained this much. Through 10 a.m., Seattle had already set its daily rainfall record with 1.48" of rain, breaking the old record of 1.23" set in 1962, and the rain was still coming down.
Heavy rains were expected to taper off Monday evening but several more storms are lined up to keep the rain going through Thanksgiving weekend.
Peak Gusts In Windstorm:
- Naselle Ridge: 114 mph (2,000 feet)
- Crystal Mountain Ski: 107 mph
- Megler Tower (1.200 feet; near Astoria): 101 mph
- Yaqina Head (OR): 98 mph
- Astoria: 92 mph
- Lincoln City: 85 mph
- Newport: 80 mph
- Cape Disappointment: 76 mph
- Pacific City (OR): 75 mph
- Warrenton: 69 mph
- Hoquiam: 61 mph
- Tillamook: 59 mph
- Everett: 49 mph
- Olympia: 41 mph
- Seattle (Boeing Field: 40 mph)
- Alki Beach: 40 mph
- Tacoma: 39 mph
- Seattle: 36 mph
So how many linemen, power line trucks, and other assets did we send to the east coast?
It's 70 and sunny here....
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I kinda miss those storms and the cold rainy weather.
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Guess I will get my fill of that when I visit in a month!
@sunnysandiego No, please do us all a favor and stay away.
Well, dang. I am posting from Florida and truly sorry I am missing the storms. Fingers crossed for this weekend!
@Doxie It's been really stormy out here - blowing downpours and thunderstorms. Cat is hiding, dh is out trying to jump start the truck (playing with electricity during an electrical event - not good). I haven't been out to see how the Cedar is holding up - it was a good day to stay inside.
guess it's a good thing i didn't head down to see my mom after all, might have had a few trees come down in my path as well o.O
History for MAU074 Seattle WA US, Seattle, WA 68 mph gusts.
And to all you in Pierce County that do not want to be paying for the flood district tax because you live on a hill. All need to pay to midigate the overall impact of the water that comes down off those hills to keep the roadways free and commerce flowing.
I'm loving this!!!! It can keep on raining for days, and I would just enjoy every moment of it.
 @Just my say aside from the flooding....
I blame Hostess for this. ;-)
 @The WA Mama Where's Howard Beale to blame Obama for it? :)
We can expect more and more of this now that Obama has been re-elected.
 @KOMODrone#07737 seriously? LMAO! you're funny.
Yeah, it's a bit more rainy and windy than they predicted.....ok more than a bit.
1.48 inches of rain so far? Then itâs our wettest day of the year, according to this site: www.seattleweatherblog.com.Â
Where's the snow?
@DDG In the mountains.
I am glad that Trooper got out of his vehicle to check out the mudslide!
We're now bordering on ark building, biblical proportions in my area. I'm soggy, I'm tired and my day is just getting started...
So, now, I can't wait for the moment when KOMO  will probably tell us that it looks like I'll be grilling my turkey outside because we won't have any power. We've seen that several Thanksgivings over the years.
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Oh please, great and gracious weather gods, spare us your wrath...we're fallible humans, and we need to be taught a lesson, yes, but give us a break...
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I hadn't even thought about what we would do if we had no power for Thanksgiving and as i sat here starting to freak out I remembered I live next to my dad who has a gas stove.... and if all else failed I would go to my moms 4 miles away- she has a motorhome and a generator LOL.  We aired up all our air mattresses last night just in case we lost power, we have a wood stove for heat but so many we know don't have a way to stay warm so we open our house up. Last year when we had the ice storm we had up to 12 extra people staying with us, some friends and some neighbors we didn't really know.  People please remember to check on elderly/single/disabled neighbors during storms, they often don't want to be a "bother" so they won't let people know they need help.Â
 @takncarabizniz Deep fried turkey is better than grilled, IMHO.
Bring it on! It's pretty!
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Let it rain, let it rain, let it rain!
Too bad we don't have big storm drains like the Midwest. Be careful everyone!
 @seattleperson Giant storm drains would have a whole new set of news stories. I grew up in the midwest and ever big rain had some horribly sad story about some kids playing around/in/near them and falling in and drowning.Â
@quidproquo @seattleperson My ex step brother fell in one once, my brother pulled him back out-Â I'll be nice now.Â
 @quidproquo  @seattlepersonThat's what you call clearing the gene pool..... "Geee Billy look at that there big hole full of water, shall we go play near it durr deee durrrrr" "Sounds good to me Bobby durrrrr durrr de durrrr"
I wonder how well the new tunnel along Seattle's waterfront will handle weeks like this?
 @Landshark Probably just like the NY Subway handled 'Super Storm" Sandy.....
 @Landshark Hmmmm, that's funny, I haven't heard about any other downtown tunnels flooding today. The airport underground train is still running. The train tunnel under downtown is OK - as is the transit tunnel, as is the tunnel project for light rail.
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Oh nothing like unwarranted fear. By the way Landshark if you didn't get the memo, the tunnel vs. Viaduct battle is over. The tunnel won.
 @Howard Beale  @Landshark unfortunately it won...just wait til the quake comes LOL :)
 @gallifreygirl07  @Landshark How little you know. There has not been a total collapse of a completed transit tunnel ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD due to earthquake since 1906.
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There are plenty of tunnels built, yes in fill, yes by water, in some cases like in Turkey THROUGH water, and built in far more sensitive seismic zones than here. The engineering reality (not the Hollywood fantasy) is that a tunnel is about the safest place you can be in an earthquake. The seismic waves travel through/around the tunnel. Objects on the surface are tossed by the waves.
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No transit tunnel had a total failure, even in Japan. The post earthquake tsunami flooding was a different issue - but the Viaduct wouldn't have stood a 7.0 - let along a megathrust 9.2. A similar earthquake hitting here would test even the limits of the Space Needle. Strictly from an engineering stand point.
@Landshark I would guess it would be about the same as the other tunnels that run underneath Seattle. Why would the new one be any different?
 @Landshark I hear it'll hold around ten billion gallons when filled all the way :-)
Stay away from Seattle. Their war on cars is bad enough in perfect weather, now you are seeing how bad things can get in worse weather.Â
 @NorthwestEconomist What does encouraging people to bus in have to do with anything?  My bus got in on time this morning, btw.
 @quidproquo  @NorthwestEconomist Because there isn't a BUS that can me to Bothell to Queen Anne for dinner on Saturday night, that then returns me home past 11 PM.
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That's the problem with taking a BUS. BUSES don't go - EVERYWHERE. They don't run at the times if you live outside the urban core of Seattle itself when people come and go. Get 10 miles out of Seattle and want to travel during non-commute times and you're pretty close to SOL.
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The war on cars that you glibly dismiss is getting only worse. Seattle now has the 4th worst traffic in the country. Lost productivity with all those people sitting stuck in traffic. Increased pollution due to all those idling cars sitting in traffic, lost income to individuals and companies on fuel wasted, sitting in traffic.
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Riddle me this - if the buses are such a success, why is air quality here getting steadily worse?
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Riddle me this part two - what single solution improved air quality in Boston by over 10% as soon as it opened up? What single solution cut the time it took to traverse Boston from an average of over 27 minutes, to under 3 minutes. The time reduction alone is directly credited with reducing congestion and improving air quality.
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Oh that's right - it was the Central Artery replacement and the addition of almost 1,200 lane miles of road.
 @quidproquo  @NorthwestEconomist I assume you used the bus during the winter storms right? Oh wait, you don't enjoy being a human ping pong ball and smashing around without a seat-belt as those buses bounce off of cars and curbs? How about when they go off of bridges and overpasses? Must be great drivers they hire.
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You must like being assaulted too. After all, on average a violent assault occurs every couple hours on Metro transit all year long. Too bad there's no money for police to ride the buses anymore since Mayor McGoo needs the cash for his bike lane improvements. Oh well, try not to complain so much when you get assaulted by all the homeless druggies, remember, if's for a good cause. Â
 @jennieb I ride around alot during the day, for lunch, to meet friends, etc.
4 hrs/day on the bus? really? in the city limits?
 @solasolace  @NorthwestEconomist  @usnrbb I guessed you missed all the other stuff, as in, the majority of it. I sure hope you don't drive yourself around, missing 90% of the signs while catching one is bad! But hey, enjoy those 2-3 times daily assaults on the bus!Â
 @NorthwestEconomist  @usnrbb The fact that you use an incident that happened nearly 4 years ago, involving a charter bus, as one of the reasons to not ride the bus is crazy. Obviously you haven't read up on automobile accident statistics.
 @TruthinAdverts  @NorthwestEconomist  @quidproquo Unfortunately for you it won't be covered by public assistance once King County runs out of money when all the tax paying businesses there leave because transportation sucks.Â
 @gannonjf No, I'm just sick of the war on cars, always hoping to wake up some Seattle sheep and get them to realize they need to stop before they screw their own economy and make business run from the city.It's hard to get people to pay attention when the weather is fine. People only generally care about a problem when it's at it's worst.
@NorthwestEconomist, you get carried away much? Way to turn an article on poor weather into a debate about riding the bus, you win the internets today out of sheer determination.
 @quidproquo  @NorthwestEconomist I get it, when facts and logic go against you then you take your marbles, say that the other person is "unreasonable" and go home. Fine, keep taking the bus. But when statistics inevitably comes for you, please don't go crying about how transit sucks and commuting via cars does too. You have made your bed, now lie in it.Â
 @NorthwestEconomist What ever, there's no reasoning with you what so ever. Ill go on and enjoy my bus riding experience and you can go on imagining that every bus ride is full of gang violence and crashes.
 @quidproquo  @NorthwestEconomist You mean Yancy? He was shot from outside of his car. Are you trying to tell me there's a rash of assaults on people from inside the same vehicle?
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What would have stopped that guy from shooting at someone sitting inside a bus? Absolutely nothing. And given how poorly buses are driven I'd assume road rage toward them would be much higher.Â
@NorthwestEconomist @quidproquo Really? Did you miss the guy who was shot in the face due to road rage last month? Definitely not 0.
 @quidproquo  @NorthwestEconomist Those were only the ones labeled "preventable." I think we both know how the bureaucracy fudges the numbers there on what's defined as "preventable."  Use that number to guess at the TOTAL number and you'll find it's absurd.Â
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As for that 700 number, those are just the ones that are reported. A lot of gang violence and assaults DON'T get reported, and it's gotten so bad with SPD's record keeping and lack of response that sometimes they won't even mail a form if the damage loss/property stolen/medical cost for assault value is below a certain amount.
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I can tell you this. People driving in their cars have near-infinitely lower assault. I'd bet it's hovering near 0, though there might be a few feisty carpools out there.
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Now, which number is lower, 700 or 0~?
 @NorthwestEconomist Also, those accident levels are incredibly low.  About 1 accident per million miles? I don't know a driver in a car who has made 200,000 miles with out an accident.
 @NorthwestEconomist I'm also saying, crap happens but theres no reason to stop riding the bus that my tax dollars pay for. I've never really had a bad experience and honestly, none of my friends have either.  I've seen people act like sitting next to a homeless person is their own personal hiroshima.  They act like gigantic cry babies.
 @NorthwestEconomist "700 assaults and disturbances last year."  What does a disturbance constitute?
 @quidproquo  @NorthwestEconomist As any scientist will tell you, the #1 enemy of reason and logic are personal experiences. Your personal experience means nothing in the face of overwhelming data and gathered statistics. Look at the stats, over 700 assault per year! That's multiple assaults per day, so yeah, every few hours. Fine forget about the weather related accidents. Look at the accidents during normal weather, there's plenty! Look at their own study! Is there some reason you keep ignoring the facts and studies that your own tax dollars paid for? Â
 @NorthwestEconomist Every few hours? really? Considering I LIVE IN SEATTLE AND TAKE THE BUS IN SEATTLE AT LEAST 4 HOURS A DAY you would think I would have seen one of these assaults.Also, no one should really be driving when it gets that way on hills. So some accidents happen on the two days a year it snows?  I don't live on capital hill so I have never had any skidding bus problems myself. Those incidents were limited to a few very specific bus routes. During winter storms i've seen far more dangerous things done by people in cars. In 2008 I saw people driving the WRONG WAY. I've seen people slide through stop lights. I've seen people driving 4x4s trying to drive full speed only to fly off the road.  I've never seen or experienced a bus doing that. Yes sometimes buses skid down the hill during icy icy icy conditions before the city has closed off the road.Â
 @quidproquo  @NorthwestEconomist Big difference between CDLs and DLs, wouldn't you say? There's a lot of extra implied responsibility and liability there. Also, go to youtube and type in Seattle metro bus accidents/weather/etc. and you will find MANY incidents. It's not isolated or just a few "freak" accidents. It happens constantly. You must have missed that link to an internal study they did on how many were preventable. Also still waiting to see your response on assaults occurring every few hours on Metro all year long. No defense for that eh? Â
 @NorthwestEconomist Also, you're licensed to operate here in the state of WA as well. If you get into an accident does it mean it is the states fault for licensing you?
 @NorthwestEconomist Yes, because freak accidents happen no matter what. The city should have closed that road but just because an accident like that happens once in a blue moon doesn't mean you should write off public transportation. You've a much higher chance of being in an accident in a car than in a bus.Â
 @quidproquo  @NorthwestEconomist I noticed you ignored all the data regarding assaults and preventable accidents. Typical. As for the charter bus it is licensed to operate here, is it not? It's indicative of the level of competency of bus drivers here.
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 @NorthwestEconomist You realize you posted a tour bus that went over the over pass right? No association with the city or county. Also, woman gets hit by bus (her own fault). I've been riding the bus for 99% of my travel through the city for 7 years and have never seen a single incident. There's probably a higher chance of being attacked by some guy in a car due to road rage than to get attacked on a bus.
 @usnrbb How is it a lie? Do the math smart guy:http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Recent-attacks-have-Metro-riders-worried-about-bus-safety-138618294.html
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http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2008/12/19/bus-hanging-over-i-5-near-denny-overpass/
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http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Bellevue-woman-dies-after-being-hit-by-bus--142883605.html?m=y&smobile=y
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http://metro.kingcounty.gov/am/reports/monthly-measures/safety-security.html
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Seems like I'm not the one with the honesty problem...
 @NorthwestEconomist I've literally only commuted in once using a car in the last 2 years and that was because i was picking up my wedding dress, btw. It's not a hard ship. In fact, I prefer the bus because i can read and it doesn't make me stressed out about idiot drivers.
 @NorthwestEconomist I do ride the bus during winter storms. I was stuck on 1-5 for 4 hours 2 years ago because idiot car drivers don't understand to stay the heck off the roads during winter conditions in this city.
@NorthwestEconomist: Oh, so you don't like riding the bus, huh? That's okay. Just why do you have to make up lies to back up your feelings? Don't get me wrong. Riding the bus is not a bed of roses, unless you include the thorns they all have. But, sheesh! Going off bridges and overpasses, assaults every couple of hours. Really, you're making the New York subway look positively glamorous.