Oak Harbor City Council overturns gun ban
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OAK HARBOR, Wash. -- Pro gun activists poured into Oak Harbor City Hall Tuesday night to speak out against a councilman who tried to ban guns from city meetings.
It was standing room only inside council chambers, and many attendees proudly announced they were carrying weapons. The men and women turned out to tell the council the city's gun ban in local parks is illegal and the attempt to ban guns at City Hall is out of line.
After hearing from residents on both sides of the issue, the council concentrated its focus on the rule of law. State law specifically blocks cities from banning guns, and Second Amendment supporters have already threatened to sue.
With those facts in mind, the council voted to lift the ban.
Oak Harbor was thrust into the national spotlight two weeks ago with an Army veteran named Lucas Yonkman.
Yonkman almost always carries a concealed handgun on his hip, and he brought his gun to an Oak Harbor City Council meeting last month to talk about lifting the ban on firearms in city parks. He also sparked a disruption that soon became national news.
After Yonkman told the council he was carrying a gun last month, Councilman Rick Almberg proposed a vote to ban guns at public meetings. When that motion failed, Almberg walked out of the meeting.
"I feel like that is abandoning your post, so to speak. (Almberg) was there to do a job," Yonkman said.
That's not how Almberg sees it. The councilman said he's also a gun owner, but doesn't think council chambers is a place for armed citizens.
"I do not believe that they should be in there, even though it's lawful, and I still stick by that position," he said.
The whole debate traces back to a letter from the Second Amendment Foundation to Oak Harbor's city council and mayor. The letter said the city's ban on firearms in city parks and the marina is out of compliance with state law.
"We really need to handle this issue with the city parks, and the fact that the city is not in line with Washington State law," Yonkman said.
Last month's walkout touched a nerve around the nation and led to a stack of emails and letters in the mayor's office.
Mayor Scott Dudley is critical of Almberg and other councilmembers for demanding on-the-spot gun restrictions at City Hall. He also said they can't be legally enforced.
"I think you have a councilmember overstepping his bounds and exercising power this councilmember doesn't have," Dudley said.
Almberg did have his supporters at Tuesday's meeting.
"More guns in more hands in more places didn't make people safer, it just made people more dead," said Pam Flick.
When the vote was cast, Almberg stood his ground and voted to keep the ban. He said he doesn't regret his headline-grabbing walkout, but he wants to move on from it.
"This issue has been a little bit of a diversion to the big things that we have to do," he said.
Supporters of the ban say they'll urge state and national leaders to loosen rules so cities can decide gun laws for themselves.
It was standing room only inside council chambers, and many attendees proudly announced they were carrying weapons. The men and women turned out to tell the council the city's gun ban in local parks is illegal and the attempt to ban guns at City Hall is out of line.
After hearing from residents on both sides of the issue, the council concentrated its focus on the rule of law. State law specifically blocks cities from banning guns, and Second Amendment supporters have already threatened to sue.
With those facts in mind, the council voted to lift the ban.
Oak Harbor was thrust into the national spotlight two weeks ago with an Army veteran named Lucas Yonkman.
Yonkman almost always carries a concealed handgun on his hip, and he brought his gun to an Oak Harbor City Council meeting last month to talk about lifting the ban on firearms in city parks. He also sparked a disruption that soon became national news.
After Yonkman told the council he was carrying a gun last month, Councilman Rick Almberg proposed a vote to ban guns at public meetings. When that motion failed, Almberg walked out of the meeting.
"I feel like that is abandoning your post, so to speak. (Almberg) was there to do a job," Yonkman said.
That's not how Almberg sees it. The councilman said he's also a gun owner, but doesn't think council chambers is a place for armed citizens.
"I do not believe that they should be in there, even though it's lawful, and I still stick by that position," he said.
The whole debate traces back to a letter from the Second Amendment Foundation to Oak Harbor's city council and mayor. The letter said the city's ban on firearms in city parks and the marina is out of compliance with state law.
"We really need to handle this issue with the city parks, and the fact that the city is not in line with Washington State law," Yonkman said.
Last month's walkout touched a nerve around the nation and led to a stack of emails and letters in the mayor's office.
Mayor Scott Dudley is critical of Almberg and other councilmembers for demanding on-the-spot gun restrictions at City Hall. He also said they can't be legally enforced.
"I think you have a councilmember overstepping his bounds and exercising power this councilmember doesn't have," Dudley said.
Almberg did have his supporters at Tuesday's meeting.
"More guns in more hands in more places didn't make people safer, it just made people more dead," said Pam Flick.
When the vote was cast, Almberg stood his ground and voted to keep the ban. He said he doesn't regret his headline-grabbing walkout, but he wants to move on from it.
"This issue has been a little bit of a diversion to the big things that we have to do," he said.
Supporters of the ban say they'll urge state and national leaders to loosen rules so cities can decide gun laws for themselves.
I been reading the comments here and want to clear some points to the people who is against law abiding citizens exercising their rights to defend themselves.
 There are already around 9000 laws regarding gun control contrary to what uniformed people believe.
 People who buy a gun at a gun shop are obliged to fill a form where they complete a questionary under penalty of arrest telling their mental status as well as a a miriad statements about if they are capable of owning a gun. Along with this there goes a mandatory background check with the FBI and your local state. The gun shop takes the serial number and model of the gun and keep it on file. These files are kept on the gun store until asked for by the fbi, atf or any other agency or until the store closes operations and then have to turn it to the atf. If there is a crime involved with a gun the serial number is run by the fbi and they can track the original buyer of the gun. Although there is no law saying you have to use an FLL to sell your gun (its called a tranfer),.. if you do without a gun store (FLL ) so they run a background check,.. you can be charged for selling a gun to an unathorized person . Thats why all CCW permit holding persons I know and all the responsible people use always an FLL for their gun transfers. There is not a permanent record on the atf or fdle because it could be used for intimidation or if in the wrong hands for thieves to know who have a gun and where to go to steal them as well as harrasment from the goverment should they ever go that route.
All this mandatory background check thing that Obama is proposing is just a ball of smoke to appease ignorant people who dont know that actually the law requires it.Â
People who carry guns are law abiding citizens like any other that just want to protect their families. They are even more exposed to law and have more requirements than a person who dont carry due to the law requirements for you to own and carry a gun. You are required to take a training class about weapon handling as well as all the requirements above . We dont use weapons to intimidate as many ignorant people are implying here and in most states if you show your gun with the intent or make the intent of harrasing somebody with it you can go straigh to jail for 5 or 10 years so normally you wont see a law abiding citizen risking their whole live just to harras someone. One thing is to open carry as some states allow and other is to use your gun to harrass someone... one is legal and the other not. Most states only allow concealed carry and its intended to be that way...concealed. Many people everyday goes to parks and carry their guns and you never know. Sometimes is your doctor or the ambulance driver or your lawyer or some other people you trust fully.That does not make them crazy or violent or less respecting of others people life. In fact they respect life so much they dont want to see your or my life taken away by some scumbag that will kill you for 10 dollars to go have a fix of their favorite drug.
Theres a big difference between a semi auto rifle and an assault weapon. An assault weapon is mostly automatic.. a feature that you cant easily get unless you have a class 3 license and its approved and if you ever get it you will be scrutinized even more than if you buy any gun. What you have out there is semiautomatic weapons with assault type furniture (stocks) for selling appeals if anything else.
The last magazine ban did nothing to lower criminality rates and you can check this statistically, in fact crime went up. The more you strict normal law abiding citizens to defend themselves the more thugs and criminals use it to their advantage. Thugs dont obey the law or are limited by any ban to use their weapons. We law abiding citizens do care about comiting a crime and getting a bad rap sheet not the criminals who already have them as a way of life.
The states with the highest criminality rates are NY, Chicago and Puerto Rico (US territory) ,.. all of them with the strictest gun laws. In UK after their gun ban the crime rate have almost tripled.These are all statistical facts that you can check not only online but by any law agency. Not as the dreamworld without proof or statistics that ignorant people want to carry a rant without even a single proof.
Any person who says 10 bullets are enough for any fight have never been on a gunfight and neither have shot a handgun and even less in a dangerous situation. Having a gun dont make you prepared to actually shoot in a real life situation unless you train and if you do you will quickly find out that due to many variables you will miss most of those 10 shots at only 7 yards of distance. Meanwhile the thug with the glock with 20 bullets will keep firing at you until one of those shots hits you ,.. even if he miss the other 19 bullets ,.. just one is all needed to take you down.He will probably be drugged or drunk or both which they do before a hit to gain courage and just one or 2 bullets wont take them down.( the zombie guy in florida took 9 bullets of 40 caliber before he actually went down because he was drugged). So making a ban based on stupid unreal facts only hurts the law abiding citizen.
Police officers and military personnel are viewed as the only ones able to carry guns but they are as humans as anyone else.They can be corrupted. They can and many have mental problems sometimes develop by their jobs and they are also your family in many cases and they could snap at any moment .Many here in Florida have legally murdered innocent civilians and no one seem to be upset to the point of taking policemen guns away. You normally dont thing anything bad about an armed police in a park. Also if you go to a park in NY you have high chances of getting robbed by an armed thug who sont believe or follow the stupid ban laws so its completely useless and irrational to ban the law abiding citizen rights.The concealed weapon law abiding citizen shold not be anyone concerns in a park or a city hall . The thugs and gang members in gettos who are not pinpointed or affected by any of these stupid bans should be.
People mostly dont want guns because they are afraid of them and dont understand how they work. They are only seeing as an instrument of death but used wisely they do keep people alive and they are used daily by law enforcement to protect other people lives.If you learn to properly use them and practice with them you will see them as the fun sport they are and the utility tool that can save your life when you really need it.No CCW holder is a cowboy waiting for trouble to happen as many think. We want to never have to use our gun to kill anyone and exactly because we have a conscience its the reason we train so much to be able to really use this guns againt another human being in an extreme case.We even wish to each other " may you never have to use it in real life" and its a common motto in gun ranges circles. When you say you have an education or are someone schooled and then you call us paranoids because we have guns and you dont see that we are as a quality human beings as any other one you appreciate ,.. you really have to start pondering who really is the paranoid,... the one who is so afraid of guns and full of ignorance that dont want anyone to have them or the one that properly and lawfully gets them and train with them to protect wisely their loved ones. We dont judge you as a paranoid for not having one or even judge you in other inmoral tastes you may have just becuase they are not our choices,.. but most anti gun persons think that everyone who have a gun is violent or derranged. Its such a stupidity to see someone with a gun diferent just because they have a uniform and a badge . These are the persons who think their doctor wont ever do bad to them or that everyone wished them well.
These are only some observations that quickly comes to mind , Im sure I can give you many more examples ,.. but the main thing is that people who dont know the law or guns keep repeating what others ignorant ones say without gettin informed or having a neutral attitude about the thruth. Certainly there are many people who use guns wrongly but most of them if not all do it with stolen guns and are thugs or crazy people. Law abiding citizens who uphold the second amendment and go thru all the difficult and complicated processes to legally own a gun and correctly apply the law are the same as your family, your doctor , your friends and any other good willed person that you know. To try to curb others rights because you dont want to keep them for you is unfair,selfish and irresponsible. There is a lot that can be ddone right now to lower violence and deaths and it have absolutely nothing to do with guns. The root of the problem will keep being out there. When the mental situation start getting attended and the goverment stops giving money to unfit persons to have kids and stop sponsoring gettos and criminals by doing this. And when parents get required to take some years of classes of responsible parenting and getting a license to actually bring a human being to this world along with a complete restructuring of the violence media our kids are bombarded everyday maybe we will start seeing changes. A person with a gun is just that as well as a person with a knife or any other tool . The good one will use it for a good purpose and the bad one for a bad one. Not so long ago kids were showed how to handle and properly use guns as part as farm work and to hunt food and also protect the cattle and the animals from predators and thieves. These were our grand grand parents and they were among the more moral and law abiding citizens ever. They brough up society and civility to us and they were not killing each other even as everyone of them owned guns.When you twist moral law and the spirit of a human being by changing what is correct to the mind and body naturally for what is not correct you get all these mental unstability and misery that brings crazy and violent people out. When you can get stability on a person/child you cant expect it to grow unto a normal behaving adult. Stop blaming the guns for all the bad upbringing you are doing . You let the tv set by your children nanny and you dont show them values and moral and responsability thru earning things by the sweat of their hard work and this twisted society is what you get. Stop using every inanimated object as your scapegoat and start doing things right and you will see that a good and morally raised person will be the same good adult even if he chooses to carry a gun to protect himself.
Pam, can you contact your like minded network in California and make sure that they rally to away the guns from these people, for the rest of their lives? They are a very clear danger to society:
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 i can be quoted my many as saying obama is just a puppet. the difference is he just reads what he is told. he is ignorant to what is real about him and pushes his own agendas instead of doing the will of the people. with that said. YOU - MR. BAZA! You sir, are a patriot and a hero! You volunteered your services to this country FOR this country. you have sacrificed blood sweat and (maybe) tears for this country! Regardless of the author on that paper, those that are behind you know those words were your words and the words of the rest of us. EVERY body that listened to you HEARD and felt the emotion passion and honesty in your voice. DON'T let those in opposition disuade you. they will not disuade me. they attack most when they are cornered. and they are cornered. they know and we know that "WE THE PEOPLE" spoke on Dec 15th 1791 when we effectively ratified the bill of rights into the constitution. And they know now that "WE THE PEOPLE" are speaking again! We will be heard and Understood. You have the will of the people behind you. it sucks to be them! Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your pain and suffering in war! your efforts then and now are not in vein!
What is really funny about Pam Flick's (or is it Fick? WTH? Multiple personalities?) bad-mouthing of Brandon Baza is this:
"A Democrat precinct volunteer in Oak Harbor has acknowledged to Examiner that opponents of guns in city parks are trying to pack the city council meeting next Tuesday specifically to keep gun rights activists out.
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Pam Fick, a 20-year Oak Harbor resident and Navy veteran, who is also a gun owner and keeps it in her house, objects to the notion of guns being carried in parks. She told this column Tuesday via telephone, âWeâre trying to fill the room. Thatâs the only intention we have to make a point that they donât belong in there.â "
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What happened, Pam? Inquiring minds want to know. And why do you keep a gun in your house? Do you hunt?
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The fact is the vast majority of the American public is getting sick and tired of the government taking away our rights one by one, while promising to provide for us and protect us, and meanwhile each day doing nothing more than creating more victims of poverty and crime. I believe the level of applause Brandon received to HIS comments compared to the few hand claps that Pam Flick received demonstrate that fact clearly.
@John Havercroft You claim I'm bad mouthing Brandon? No, I'm bad mouthing the one's that are pulling his strings. Like you. Everyone got applause, especially Brandon because he's a vet, not solely because he read well.
 @Pam Fick I, and I am sure others, would very much like to know why you keep a gun in the house? and what happened to your plans to "take over" city hall and not leave room for the pro-2A people? Why don't you answer some of the questions asked rather than just making personal attacks?I am glad you are not bad-mouthing Brandon, he is a very fine man, husband and father. I am too, and my wife and step-daughter are holding their sides and wiping their eyes from laughing so hard reading these comments and watching the videos.
 @Cliff Howard and, of course, Pam Fick has left the building....
So it is OK for you to own and possess a firearm to protect your family "at home" but you want to stop others protecting themselves where they feel the need to be protected?
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What kind of double standard is that?
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I guess that is the problem with self righteous liberals. It is fine for them but not for others....what a clear double standard.
 @Pam Fick writes, "If you must know, I have two guns in my home. My husband and I both own one each. I have taken it to the range several times, no place else. It belongs in my home to protect my home and my family."
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So, I must ask..... how many home invasions occur when the occupant is home in Oak Harbor, Pam? Are you that paranoid that you feel the need to keep a gun in your home just in case someone should decide to invade your home when you are present there to use it?
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Wow, Oak Harbor must be a real dangerous place to live if you feel the need to keep a gun in the home for use if someone should invade your home while you are still there. Sound like a familiar argument, Pam? And, if it is more likely that someone will break into your home when you are not there, then shouldn't you take your guns to a buyback and have them disposed of properly so a criminal does not steal them when you are gone?
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"More guns in more hands in more places didn't make people safer, it just made people more dead," said Pam Flick. Seems to me like what you are saying is that guns should only be allowed to be possessed by people that YOU approve of, such as yourself and your husband, and that they should only be possessed in places that YOU feel need protected such as your home. Meanwhile other people's children are being killed because schools are not worthy of as much protection as your home and your possessions are.
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Thank you for your honesty, Pam, in admitting that you feel that you need to have a gun in your home for self protection.
 @Pam Fick Haha, first it was "boys with toys," now it's angry "white" people, apparently you missed the many women and black, hispanic and asian firearms supporters at the meeting, you may want to check the prescription on those huge goggles you wear.
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Any more crazy stereotypes you want to throw out? Right now you are showing yourself to be the typical hippie island NIMBY type.Â
If you must know, I have two guns in my home. My husband and I both own one each. I have taken it to the range several times, no place else. It belongs in my home to protect my home and my family.
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As for your claim of my attacks, read more. I am entitled to defend myself against misogynists that feel they just need to "look at her mean and she'll runaway." to shut me down.
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As for the meeting, you people react exactly the way I expected and wanted you to. Thank you for allowing me to manipulate you into looking like a mob of angry white people with guns. Definitely not what I would call responsible gun owners.
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There ya go, Have fun big guy. Apparently the attention is something you want more of.
 @Pam Fick  @John Funny Pam, the only people who applauded you and Shane Sheepmeier were... you and Shane Sheepmeier. The difference was audibly pathetic.Â
 @NW-Economist I know more than your ignorant self wishes to admit. As for your pathetic attempt to condemn me with your little link, claiming anyone's blood is on my hands...my hands are clean. But please, keep going. You are proving just how much you can't handle.Â
 @YourWorstEnemy..AWoman  @NW-Economist You know nothing, so I'll enlighten you.
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Here are the women and children that you and others like you have murdered.Â
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 @NW-Economist Can you now? See from what I have seen here you in fact can't "take it." which is why you resort to personal attacks on someone whose beliefs differ from yours. The chips on my shoulder are for ignorant, bullies, such as yourself, who go around verbally attacking anyone who doesn't fall in line with what you and the rest of your pathetic little boys club, believe is right. Get the hell over yourselves already. You are nothing more than a trigger happy, clown who thinks your fire arm is an extension of something you are obviously running /short/ in. Â
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Just to clear something up that you just said, I am far from "embarrassed'" of myself and when you find a sane person, of which you are not, then please, I full welcome them to try and put me "in my place." Not to mention, you have no idea what my opinions are in this whole cry baby rights discussion is. You just assume you do because I find it deplorable that you are too damned immature that you "spout your mouth off like a fool" because someone has the backbone to stand up for her beliefs.Â
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Perhaps you should learn how to /talk/ rather than resort to your pathetic ways of being a bully because all it does is prove to the community that you are nothing more than a psycho, little boy with a gun.Â
 @YourWorstEnemy..AWoman sounds like you have quite a few chips on your shoulders. See, the difference is I can take it, however you hypocritical NIMBY types cannot.Â
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Say whatever you like, but when you go after our rights, especially the rights that allow you to spout your mouth off like a fool, which you are doing, then you only embarrass yourself and you should expect the rest of the sane people to put you in your place.Â
 @NW-Economist Let's see if you like a good dose of your own medicine.  You sir, are about as intelligent as a rock. You sit there and have the nerve to insult a person you don't know, why? What is your flaw(s)? I'm guessing that it's the fact that your trailer is too small and that your food stamps are running low and they have turned you down at the local Help house? Can you get through your own front door without greasing it down? Did you get thrown in the dumpster when in school? Girls didn't like you and made fun of you because you were the loser who hid in the corner because he was the geek? Funny thing is that I'm pretty sure you are a big enough jerk that you are laughing at this right now because you know for a fact it's spot on and then you'll report it for being off topic because it's not fair for you to be just as viciously attacked but it's perfectly fine for you to go off topic, degrade a woman who has the nerve to stand up for her beliefs and make yourself look like the truly pathetic person that hides behind your computer screen.  I'm pretty sure that you yourself got bullied in school which is why you seem to think it is necessary to verbally attack another for their beliefs.  Such a petty, little boy you are and I hope that one day you actually decide to be a man and talk like a man, but I'm pretty doubtful you even know the definition of man.Â
It was a pretty sad showing considering the "call to arms" e mail  that Pam sent out. None of the regular crew of liberals showed up did they Pam? Your call to arms fell on deaf ears? Or do people realize who you are and decided not to support your cause?
Why don't you tell us why the Council chambers were full of 2nd Amendment supporters and the sum total on your side was maybe 10 people at most?
 @Pam Fick Is that what they tell you at weight-watchers when you don't lose any pounds? That society telling you to be more healthy is "bullying?" And here I thought we were trying to save your life...
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Wow, the truth hurts doesn't it, it sucks when there's video that proves you are wrong, doesn't it?
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@NW-Economist @Pam Fick Ah yes, when your argument lacks any basis in fact and you are losing it badly, resort to insulting someone's physical appearance. @NW-Economist should be called NW-Misogynist
@NW-Economist sounds like he was just as much of a bully as you are.
 @Pam Fick What's funny is that I didn't hear that, I SAW that on the video, you may want to get those thick, freaky-looking goggles you wear replaced, it's obvious you are nearly legally blind.Â
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Also, tighten up your girdle. As my old debate coach used to tell some of the girls he would judge, "nice presentation, but you are overweight."
@NW-Economist turn up your hearing aide.
This is a Chamber of Commerce Public Relations nightmare.  The media circus with gun fanatics, the NRA (Not Rational Anymore), and Second Amendment Foundation members strutting around with weapons at a the Oak Harbor City Council meeting reflects poorly on our community. Who will bring their family for a vacation or brief retreat in this perceived dangerous Wild West scenario along with the menace of loud noise and toxic jet fuel pollution?Â
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I believe Brandon Baza stated:
âTonight was amazing! I was the first speaker for public comment. I must tell you I only delivered a message. The words were not mine. They were prepared by lcmdr? or john as i know him because he was going to be absent. What a great feeling! Thank you all who showed and those who watched on who were unable to attend.â
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How many speakers were puppets of pro-weapon organizations from out of Oak Harbor with no concern for the tourism economy or public safety on Whidbey Island? Is the Second Amendment Foundation valid; are they non-profit where do they get their funds? Are these pro-weapon activists even aware they are pawns for the obscene profit of arms manufacturers?
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 @June19 Ever heard of Jonathan "Jon" Favreau? Let me introduce you and Pam Fick to him, although I bet Pam knows who he is...Jonathan "Jon" Favreau is Director of Speechwriting for President Barack Obama. Your hero, Barrack Obama reads speeches that other people write for him. So, I guess he is just a puppet too, right?Now, for the truth. On Saturday, February 2, Brandon and myself met, with other people as well, and organized so that we would not simply be a group of people saying the same things over and over again. Brandon expressed what he wanted to speak on, but stated that he was less eloquent with words than others. He has great talents, has served this country proudly, fighting for YOUR right to bad mouth him in public comments, and has was injured in the process of fighting for YOUR right to say whatever B.S. you can come up with.I put HIS thoughts, HIS desires, and HIS beliefs into words tailored toward the audience that he would be speaking too. Wow, just exactly what you would hope Barack Obama and his speech writers do. I was not present at the February 5th city council meeting to speak myself, because I am on military orders outside the state of Washington. However, if I had been present, I would have presented my own words, different than those delivered by Brandon.Rest assured, Brandon is nobody's puppet. He simply has the intelligence to utilize resources available to him to their fullest extent. That is what intelligent, free thinking professionals do.
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Unbelievable. He obviously didn't see himself on the news. Not surprised that he had someone else's speech or that he practiced it 20 times. I am surprised that his remarks included that he didn't think theatrics were helpful. LMAO! Brandon, surely you jest. You're no longer active duty so you can have a mind of your own. You don't deserve to be treated like a puppet.
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Theatrics dominated the entire meeting creating a media event. Â Lynch-mob gun fanatics and their vast network wrote the script. Â Unconscionable fanatics many not even citizens of Oak Harbor can ride roughshod over an entire community. Â How many participants have ever attended a council meeting?
What was the reason so many were not allowed to speak? Â What happened to Democracy and Freedom of Speech?Â
 @June19  @John Havercroft  @Pam Fick dictators? all of the dictators in history have always taken guns AWAY from people, you may want to go back to school since you obviously flunked history class.
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No in this case it signifies a group of like-minded people joined at the hip licking the boots of fanatic irrational dictators with tunnel vision. Â It has nothing to do with a sensible majority protecting public safety and perception of the community.Â
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 @June19  @Pam Fick "vast network". Synonym for "majority of American people".
 @Pam Fick Hey, Pam....... Did you REALLY tell Shane Hoffmire that someone from the February 5th city council meeting would shoot him if he gave an interview to the media?!?
 @June19  @Pam Fick Watch the video, everyone can see it. After she and Shane Sheepmeier spoke there was ONE PERSON CLAPPING compared to every other speaker. How pathetic. your embarrassment is all over the net for the world to see, I did a search and this video is being linked everywhere. Congrats, you have made fools of yourselves.
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 @NW-Economist  @Pam Fick Where wer you that is not what I observed?
 @Pam Fick I notice you did not answer the question. I wonder why?
@NW-Economist LOL! You're so silly.
 @Pam Fick   The only joke is you and the one other person who clapped when you spoke. It was painfully embarrassing.Â
@John Havercroft You are a joke.
 @Pam Fick  @June19 I bet you are OK with Obama using speech writers though...Â
 @Scott  @Pam Fick Presidents have always had speech writers on their staff. Â
 @Pam Fick  @June19 since you want to bash people june 19, why don't you get on the wagon train and comment on how mrs. fick decided to compare law abiding citizens in her speech with a batch of drunken cowboys from the wild west.  not one of the armed citizens in that room got out of hand or condones gun violence.  we are only concerned about the safety of our family and those around us.  since that bothers you make sure we know who you are in an emergent situation and we will stand idly by while you wait for the 911 operators to send help to your rescue!
 @Pam Fick  @June19 My god, the poor baby, someone obviously tied him up and threatened to hurt him unless he read it, didn't he?
 @June19  @NW-Economist  @Pam Fick The "friend" was a person who spends every weekday in Oak Harbor, sometimes the weekend in Oak Harbor and who was subject to the threat of illegal arrest contained in the illegal Oak Harbor municipal code for lawfully carrying a firearm in a city park and who could have been a plaintiff in a lawsuit against the city.
 @NW-Economist  @Pam Fick Was the friend a legitimate resident of Oak Harbor or an outside agitator?
 @June19  @Pam Fick You disgust me, you linked to OCDO so you obviously read the part where he volunteered to read a friend's statement since that friend was busy with work and could not attend the meeting.
 @NW-Economist  @Pam Fick Obviously someone gave him some assistance with his presentation who knows if he was compensated?  It doesn't matter his testimony is now in a different light.  It was coached not spontaneous. Â
 @June19 Newsflash, he was  a member of OCDO before that post he made, me may not have written the words but they were his sentiment also and he agreed with him, or do you think someone kidnapped and brainwashed him?Â
 @NW-Economist He needs a script writer he is not capable of speaking for himself?  His script did appear to be just a little too professional for an OHHS kid. Â
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What is OCDO?
 @Pam Fick The people who you are slandering are not considered public figures, think about that.Â
@NW-Economist - LMAO, you are delusional. I'm not a city council, I don't take to your bullying as well, Be careful.
 @bill bennett  @June19 What's funny is this Pam Flick is using her real name and slandering people left and right, she better watch out, the Second Amendment Foundation that was going to sue Oak Harbor is probably disappointed they didn't get to do a lawsuit, they might come after her libelous actions.Â
 @June19  to be plaguerism i believe he would have had to copy someone else' work then present it as his own.  he did neither.  so take your lies elsewhere.  what you are now doing is called slander.  so i suggest unless you want to be reported you stick to the facts and voice your 1st amendment rights in an adult manner
 @June19 I wasn't aware that "credentials" were required in order to speak clearly and thoroughly. But then, in your crazy world you probably only believe people with degrees and titles after their names are the only ones worth listening to. How prejudiced you are.Â
 @NW-Economist No I attended OHHS so did my father.  Plagiarism was not encouraged.   He claimed to be an OHHS graduate and disabled veteran didn't elaborate on any professional credentials.Â
 @NW-Economist  @June19 They have to be deceitful, the truth doesn't support their position that gun free zones are good. They have to try and use children in order to make their emotional charged, non fact based arguments.
 @June19  @NW-Economist Wow, you sure are a stereotyping &#&$^. How do you know how intelligent he is, based on where he went to school? You are  a bigot.
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He CHOSE to read someone else's statement because that other person could not attend due to work conflicts. You linked to the forum so you obviously know that's why he did that, and he agreed with everything it said.Â
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Way to be deceitful.