Seattle, King County councils approve new arena deal
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SEATTLE (AP) - The King County Council and the Seattle City Council gave their final approval Monday to an agreement to build a $490 million basketball and hockey arena in the city, despite the threat of a lawsuit from longshore workers.
The County Council approved it unanimously, while the City Council voted 7-2. Both bodies had previously OK'd different versions of the deal.
"This is a very good financial plan here," said County Councilman Reagan Dunn, a Republican who earlier had concerns about the deal. "It's been well thought-through."
Mayor Mike McGinn called the votes important steps toward bringing professional men's basketball back to Seattle. He and King County Executive Dow Constantine were scheduled to sign the deal Tuesday.
Hedge fund manager Chris Hansen is leading a group that wants to build the $490 million arena near the existing Mariners and Seahawks stadiums with $200 million in public financing. The public investment would be paid back with rent money and admissions taxes from the arena, and if that money falls short, Hansen would be responsible for making up the rest. Other investors include Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer and two members of the Nordstrom department store clan.
Seattle's old NBA team, the SuperSonics, moved to Oklahoma City in 2008 and became the Thunder, devastating its fans here. It's been quite a bit longer since Seattle had major-league hockey: The Metropolitans, who won the Stanley Cup in 1917, disbanded in 1924.
Hansen, of San Francisco, is a Seattle native, an early investor in Facebook and a big Sonics fan who approached McGinn last year about building a new arena to attract an NBA team and hopefully an NHL team as well. KeyArena, where the Sonics played, is considered outdated and financially unviable.
Under the deal, the arena proposal will undergo an environmental review that could take a year. The review will also look at whether other sites, including Seattle Center, where KeyArena is, should be considered.
But that's not good enough, members of two International Longshore and Warehouse Union locals said Monday. The agreement between Hansen and the city goes too far by presuming the arena will be built in the neighborhood south of downtown, where increased traffic could choke freight shipments at the Port of Seattle, they said.
By essentially picking the site before an environmental review is done, the deal reverses the steps required by the State Environmental Policy Act, the unions said. They threatened to sue to block the deal once it's signed by McGinn and Constantine.
"The cart's been thrown before the horse here," said Max Vekich, a member of ILWU Local 52 and co-chair of Save Our SoDo Jobs. Using a football metaphor, he added: "We want to throw a red flag here and ask for instant review."
The unions pointed to a previous case in which Seattle approved plans for developing mixed-income housing at Fort Lawton, a former military site near Discovery Park, without providing for proper environmental review under state law. Neighbors in the Magnolia neighborhood sued, and an appeals court blocked the project.
Quoting an earlier decision, the appeals court wrote that the law's purpose "is to provide consideration of environmental impact factors at the earliest possible stage to allow decisions to be based on complete disclosure of environmental consequences. Even if adverse environmental effects are discovered later, the inertia generated by the initial government decisions (made without environmental impact statements) may carry the project forward regardless. When government decisions may have such snowballing effect, decision-makers need to be apprised of the environmental consequences before the project picks up momentum, not after."
But Seattle City Attorney Pete Holmes argues the agreement does not bind the city into building the arena at any particular site, and says the agreement calls for a full environmental review as demanded by state law, as well as an analysis of effects on traffic and port operations.
The County Council approved it unanimously, while the City Council voted 7-2. Both bodies had previously OK'd different versions of the deal.
"This is a very good financial plan here," said County Councilman Reagan Dunn, a Republican who earlier had concerns about the deal. "It's been well thought-through."
Mayor Mike McGinn called the votes important steps toward bringing professional men's basketball back to Seattle. He and King County Executive Dow Constantine were scheduled to sign the deal Tuesday.
Hedge fund manager Chris Hansen is leading a group that wants to build the $490 million arena near the existing Mariners and Seahawks stadiums with $200 million in public financing. The public investment would be paid back with rent money and admissions taxes from the arena, and if that money falls short, Hansen would be responsible for making up the rest. Other investors include Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer and two members of the Nordstrom department store clan.
Seattle's old NBA team, the SuperSonics, moved to Oklahoma City in 2008 and became the Thunder, devastating its fans here. It's been quite a bit longer since Seattle had major-league hockey: The Metropolitans, who won the Stanley Cup in 1917, disbanded in 1924.
Hansen, of San Francisco, is a Seattle native, an early investor in Facebook and a big Sonics fan who approached McGinn last year about building a new arena to attract an NBA team and hopefully an NHL team as well. KeyArena, where the Sonics played, is considered outdated and financially unviable.
Under the deal, the arena proposal will undergo an environmental review that could take a year. The review will also look at whether other sites, including Seattle Center, where KeyArena is, should be considered.
But that's not good enough, members of two International Longshore and Warehouse Union locals said Monday. The agreement between Hansen and the city goes too far by presuming the arena will be built in the neighborhood south of downtown, where increased traffic could choke freight shipments at the Port of Seattle, they said.
By essentially picking the site before an environmental review is done, the deal reverses the steps required by the State Environmental Policy Act, the unions said. They threatened to sue to block the deal once it's signed by McGinn and Constantine.
"The cart's been thrown before the horse here," said Max Vekich, a member of ILWU Local 52 and co-chair of Save Our SoDo Jobs. Using a football metaphor, he added: "We want to throw a red flag here and ask for instant review."
The unions pointed to a previous case in which Seattle approved plans for developing mixed-income housing at Fort Lawton, a former military site near Discovery Park, without providing for proper environmental review under state law. Neighbors in the Magnolia neighborhood sued, and an appeals court blocked the project.
Quoting an earlier decision, the appeals court wrote that the law's purpose "is to provide consideration of environmental impact factors at the earliest possible stage to allow decisions to be based on complete disclosure of environmental consequences. Even if adverse environmental effects are discovered later, the inertia generated by the initial government decisions (made without environmental impact statements) may carry the project forward regardless. When government decisions may have such snowballing effect, decision-makers need to be apprised of the environmental consequences before the project picks up momentum, not after."
But Seattle City Attorney Pete Holmes argues the agreement does not bind the city into building the arena at any particular site, and says the agreement calls for a full environmental review as demanded by state law, as well as an analysis of effects on traffic and port operations.
Maybe the long-suffering Seattle SuperSonic  fans will push for the new seawall bond too!  They can pay for that as well.
What a stupid and complete waste of taxpayer money.
@Donacita  Once again, we have an ILL INFORMED poster amongst us. PLEASE link me to where tax payer money will be taken out of our pockets.  Please, please, please! B.T.W., please read up on "municipal bonds" while you fail at finding any proof to back up your accusation.
 @path_tech Only an idiot believes everything a politician tells him, path_tech. NEVER has a project like this been accomplished without a hefty taxpayer investment, and this won't be any different. The bottom line is that no one stands to profit from this except Hansen and his cronies in city and county government, at the expense of the maritime and industrial communities that currently provide good-paying community jobs. You want to trade $70,000/year (average) family wage jobs for peanut and t shirt vendor jobs. Ask yourself why the Seattle and King County councils are throwing the Port and BIPARTISAN longshore and business leaders under the bus. In other words, path_tech, spend less time on personal attacks and more time educating yourself about the issue. Sure, you want pro basketball. I want a unicorn and a castle, but instead I have to pay the bills and put gas in the car. Reality bites sometimes, path_tech- that's why our elected leaders are so reluctant to accept it- but there it is.
If an arena crushes a multi billion business like the Port of Seattle I call B.S. on that statement. I the port has alot worse things to think about than an arena if they are getting crushed
It is too bad that all the poiticians and local labor unions have to have their palms greased with payola before they will accept what the people want. You know, all the money given to them will just land in their fat wallets...bastars!
Screw the gangster International Longshore and Warehouse Union.
Seattle politicians are finally correct the mistakes from 2008
$200 million in public funding and some hedge fund manager that might be gone tomorrow guaranteeing the loans?lol What a bunch of idiots.
 @Blindman Ever read the MOU??
 @Blindman You truly are a Blindman.
I could care less about hockey, I just want a new NBA Sonics team.
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 @northwestsurfer If you could care less, I take it you have a somewhat mild interest in hockey, or are you saying at some point down the line, you ain't gonna care anymore? ;)
@Zoso No, none at all. Not a hockey fan, never have been
 @northwestsurfer OH! Then I guess you meant you "couldn't" care less! ;) Anyway, yeah I agree with you.
 @northwestsurfer How much less could you care?
Gimmie back my SONICS!
Now we just have to get a team.......Kings anyone?
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Yay!!! Can't wait to watch the first "new" Sonics game!!!!Â
If there is no public money involved then where is this 145-200 million dollars coming from.
@jlw2168Â Â Please google "municipal bonds".Â
@path_tech So the city is going to sell bonds to pay for this , Who then is going to pay the interest on the bonds ?
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P.S Basket ball sucks anyway , Ans they have a hockey arena in Kent , A much nicer city.
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 @jlw2168  @path_techThe bonds get paid off from taxes on tickets and revenue from the Arena. You don't go you don't pay.
 @jlw2168  @path_tech First of all it's basketball and second the Key Arena isn't large enough for a NHL team so what makes you think the little tiny Showare Center would be?
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Basketball sucking is also your opinion. I'd bet you enjoy thing that I think suck.......badly.
 @jlw2168 How about the amount of jobs this project will provide?  Guess that's not important.
 @jlw2168 No new public money/taxes.  It's coming from rent paid by an NBA and NHL team, venue fees, admission taxes, etc...  You know money that isn't there anyway.  And the article clearly says $200 million in public financing.  Are you that bad at reading?
Excellent. All the whiners and naysayers, time to embrace the positivity. I'll buy your first beer at the arena. Go Sonics
Great news! God knows we need the investment and jobs in our region. I think it's mostly a good deal and mostly involves private investment versus public dollars. Would love to see the Sonics back here where they belong.Â
Personally I couldn't care less, you won't find me in Seattle regardless of the venue. Seattle is just plain and simply a nasty place to visit.Â
 @Tolly371 I have very little reason to come to Seattle these days but when the new NBA team arrives I will probably attend a few games.
@Tolly371 And oddly enough, you are here on a forum for a Seattle news station
Compared to what?
 @Tolly371 Newark would like to have a word with you.
Running bet, which one gets built first, 1 for the tunnel, 2 for the arena...
 @Windowseat Hopefully the arena.
The place is going to be paying for itself. I don't understand why people have such a problem with it.
The other stadiums are paying their way. Safeco field is paid off. Centurylink field is paying itself off.
It will create jobs and generate taxes. What's the down side here?
 @mstipton The reason why people have a problem with it is because they're morons who don't pay attention to the facts, and don't want it because they're not fans and don't care and they decide to use this as an excuse to sound off their BS. They only wanna look at the bad sides of everything regardless if it's true or not. They only care about the drama!
I'm not a fan of basketball or hockey but I do think it makes good business to have these teams.
 @Hachee_Bungwhy  @mstipton i also had an argument with someone today. them bitching about tax payers dollars.. i do not attend any sporting events. but looked at straight facts and do not see a good reason not to go ahead with this plan. jobs and entertainment. good start to rebuilding the economy
 @mstipton There's exceptions to every rule. You are the exception.
Yeah, no doubt it would go forward. Like those whiny pansies for Longshore union have anyone that's actually gonna listen to them. About time we finally got something going forward.
Another stadium that the city / County can't afford.
@jlw2168  Another poster who knows NOTHING about how this is arena is going to be financed. However, I'm here to educate the uneducated masses. Here's a pop quiz:
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1.) How much money did the city/county spend on Safeco Field?
A.) NONE
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2.) Although the CLINK won't be paid off until 2020, to date, how much money has the city/county forked over to the Seahawks to build the stadium?
A.) NONE
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3.) Under Chris Hansen's proposal, how much actual money is going to be removed from the city/county accounts to build a new basketball/hockey arena?
A.) Have you figured this one out yet? Seriously?
 @jlw2168 This is a deal they can afford, or cannot afford to pass on.
 @oledawg  @jlw2168 I'm packing away my best "I told ya so" for when this all goes pear-shaped. The traffic congestion alone will make you all rue this decision. The impact on the port will be astronomical, and the dollar return will be paltry.
 @Glassman  @oledawg  @jlw2168 Come on Chuck Armstrong, we know you don't want the competition. You used your "rue the day" before.
Try putting a worthy product on the field instead of hedging your bets on bobble heads and dancing groundscrews.
 @Glassman  @oledawg  @jlw2168 And your prediction on traffic impact being astronomical is based on what study?? Gut feeling??
 @Glassman  @oledawg  @jlw2168 The biggest impact on the Port is their own mismanagement.
 @jlw2168 shoo, back under your bridge!
 @jlw2168 I wasn't aware the city/county were paying for it. Don't comment on something if you don't understand it!