Labor talks likely to restore state employees' pay cuts

OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - State workers who saw a smaller paycheck over the past two years because of the state's budget woes are likely to see pay cuts restored under tentative contract agreements with the state after months of negotiating. Yet to be agreed to, however, is a contract on health benefits for about 60,000 state employees.
The state has been negotiating with more than two dozen unions since May. The state has reached tentative agreements with 15 unions on pay, and is in arbitration with 10. Another union, Teamsters Local 117, is still at the table on pay.
The proposed new contract would reverse the 3 percent pay cuts of the past two years. The separate health care talks are currently being done between the state and a coalition of the unions. Negotiations continue as an Oct. 1 deadline looms, in which contract agreements must be reached and ratified in order to allow inclusion in Gov. Chris Gregoire's December budget proposal for 2013-15.
The state budget director, Stan Marshburn, said he couldn't talk about specifics surrounding current negotiations, but that all parties are aware of the tight timeline.
"We're keeping an eye on the clock and trying to resolve the differences," he said.
If agreements aren't reached by Monday's deadline, but reached later, the Legislature could approve the extension of the agreement date. If no agreement is reached at all, the provisions of the existing contract continue for the next year.
Concerning pay, aside from the restoration of the 3 percent pay cut, the tentative agreement also restores a step increase of 2.5 percent for more than 29,000 employees. That step increase was agreed to in 2008, but was deferred until 2011 for implementation. However, due to budget concerns that year, the state negotiated another deferral until the next budget cycle that begins July 2013.
The two-year contract would also promise the possibility of a 1 percent raise in the second year of the contract for all state employees if state revenue rebounds faster than expected. Marshburn noted that that was solely a one-year possibility, "not a promise that it will continue into future biennia."
Tim Welch, a spokesman for one of the unions that have reached a tentative agreement - the Washington Federation of State Employees - said that workers wanted "to start getting back a little bit of what they had to sacrifice."
"The economy is slowly recovering," he said. "Nobody asked for the moon. But we are slowly getting back some of what we gave up over the past four years."
The economic agreement tentatively agreed to will cost $238 million from the state's budget over the next two years, an amount already taken into account by the Office of Financial Management for their four-year budget outlook.
Finance officials expect that the state will have a roughly $500 million shortfall in the next two-year budget, with more needed as a buffer, and lawmakers are also looking to add some $1 billion in funding to education.
Marshburn said that the contract obligations were already taken into account for the budget projections.
"The agreement that we reached does not make the situation any worse," he said.
Marshburn said that the state went into negotiations willing to honor prior obligations, noting that state employees over the years have been subject to furloughs and pay cuts and higher health care costs.
"They've been feeling the pinch in multiple ways," he said. "Our goal then was to hold the line against any other financial obligation, given the budget situation being what it is."
Under state law, once an agreement is reached, the Legislature can only vote yes or no on the contract negotiated by Gregoire and the unions. No changes can be made to the agreement by lawmakers, something that Republican gubernatorial candidate Rob McKenna doesn't agree with.
"Spending on salaries and benefits ought to compete with every other state priority and shouldn't be put at the front of the line," he said.
McKenna also questioned the restoration of pay cuts, noting that Gregoire and some legislative leaders have said that tax increases would be needed to adequately pay for basic education in the state.
"Now they're turning around and saying we can afford to restore the salary reduction," he said.
McKenna's Democratic opponent, Jay Inslee, said that state employees have been doing more work with less people in current years, and have already
"The fact that they have at least restored some of those previous cuts doesn't appear to me to be unreasonable given the fact that we do hope the economy is going to start growing again and there's tentative signs that is the case," he said.
The state has been negotiating with more than two dozen unions since May. The state has reached tentative agreements with 15 unions on pay, and is in arbitration with 10. Another union, Teamsters Local 117, is still at the table on pay.
The proposed new contract would reverse the 3 percent pay cuts of the past two years. The separate health care talks are currently being done between the state and a coalition of the unions. Negotiations continue as an Oct. 1 deadline looms, in which contract agreements must be reached and ratified in order to allow inclusion in Gov. Chris Gregoire's December budget proposal for 2013-15.
The state budget director, Stan Marshburn, said he couldn't talk about specifics surrounding current negotiations, but that all parties are aware of the tight timeline.
"We're keeping an eye on the clock and trying to resolve the differences," he said.
If agreements aren't reached by Monday's deadline, but reached later, the Legislature could approve the extension of the agreement date. If no agreement is reached at all, the provisions of the existing contract continue for the next year.
Concerning pay, aside from the restoration of the 3 percent pay cut, the tentative agreement also restores a step increase of 2.5 percent for more than 29,000 employees. That step increase was agreed to in 2008, but was deferred until 2011 for implementation. However, due to budget concerns that year, the state negotiated another deferral until the next budget cycle that begins July 2013.
The two-year contract would also promise the possibility of a 1 percent raise in the second year of the contract for all state employees if state revenue rebounds faster than expected. Marshburn noted that that was solely a one-year possibility, "not a promise that it will continue into future biennia."
Tim Welch, a spokesman for one of the unions that have reached a tentative agreement - the Washington Federation of State Employees - said that workers wanted "to start getting back a little bit of what they had to sacrifice."
"The economy is slowly recovering," he said. "Nobody asked for the moon. But we are slowly getting back some of what we gave up over the past four years."
The economic agreement tentatively agreed to will cost $238 million from the state's budget over the next two years, an amount already taken into account by the Office of Financial Management for their four-year budget outlook.
Finance officials expect that the state will have a roughly $500 million shortfall in the next two-year budget, with more needed as a buffer, and lawmakers are also looking to add some $1 billion in funding to education.
Marshburn said that the contract obligations were already taken into account for the budget projections.
"The agreement that we reached does not make the situation any worse," he said.
Marshburn said that the state went into negotiations willing to honor prior obligations, noting that state employees over the years have been subject to furloughs and pay cuts and higher health care costs.
"They've been feeling the pinch in multiple ways," he said. "Our goal then was to hold the line against any other financial obligation, given the budget situation being what it is."
Under state law, once an agreement is reached, the Legislature can only vote yes or no on the contract negotiated by Gregoire and the unions. No changes can be made to the agreement by lawmakers, something that Republican gubernatorial candidate Rob McKenna doesn't agree with.
"Spending on salaries and benefits ought to compete with every other state priority and shouldn't be put at the front of the line," he said.
McKenna also questioned the restoration of pay cuts, noting that Gregoire and some legislative leaders have said that tax increases would be needed to adequately pay for basic education in the state.
"Now they're turning around and saying we can afford to restore the salary reduction," he said.
McKenna's Democratic opponent, Jay Inslee, said that state employees have been doing more work with less people in current years, and have already
"The fact that they have at least restored some of those previous cuts doesn't appear to me to be unreasonable given the fact that we do hope the economy is going to start growing again and there's tentative signs that is the case," he said.
I have to laugh at the flood of BS from the posters here. My wife is the lowest paid person in her category at DOC.Â
She helps watch over the offenders that have been released into the community. I have yet to see her put in an 8 hour day. Usually it is more like 9-1/2.She is doing the work of three people and is so busy she doesn't take breaks except when she has to use the restroom. For this she gets paid the munificent sum of just a hair over $2800 a month. I'll save you the math and tell you that is a fraction over $17/hour, less taxes and contribution to insurance.
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Our "plush" insurance coverage went from a $25 co-pay to a $2000 (each) "no-pay" per year. That is, they don't pay anything until we have spent $2000 each, out of pocket, THEN they only pay 80%.
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These are the people who watch the bad guys for you and try to keep them from re-offending. There are 37 offenders per field officer, which means they have just one hour to monitor each offender each week, plus paperwork.
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I'm sure each of you would screech like a squashed cat if the lack of officers resulted in YOUR home being invaded by an offender who wasn't being watched closely enough due to the shortage of officers because of the poor pay they now get.
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You can't have it all. If you want minimum wage earners keeping the criminals under control, rest assured you WILL get what you pay for.
 @Glassman I trust being an hourly employee, that she is being compensated at OT rates for that extra one and one-half hours? By law she must take a certain amount of breaks and a lunch break. If she is not getting that, please contact a labor attorney.
$17 an hour plus benefits is pretty good for a secretarial position. @Glassman
 @Blindman She's a de-facto office manager, but is paid as an admin assistant.
Our legislature is a majority of democrats, most of whom have a pot full of state worker union money in their election fund (or elsewhere). Who do you think they are going to support?
'The fact that they have at least restored some of those previous cuts doesn't appear to me to be unreasonable given the fact that we do hope the economy is going to start growing again'
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There's that word Hope again. I wish I may, I wish I might, but they still will raise our taxes tonight. They just increased the drivers license by $20 bucks and call it a fee. NO it is a tax increase! Hurry up, McKenna before they tax us to death.
So let me get this straight....
The State expects a $500 million budget deficit
Then the State elects to commit to expend an additional $238 million.
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Must be some new kind of math. This is exactly why this State needs the 2/3's rule to raise taxes. Legislators have no clue how to live within their means.
This will just mean the rest of us that don't have a gravy government welfare job will have to cough up some more tax money.
You actually believe thier going to raise your taxes to restore the 3% cuts. Try their going FIRE employees.
 @riteye The state doesn't fire.
 @thebigteacher  @Blindman  @riteye unions are just in it for themselves to the detriment of tax payers. thx union for higher cost of everything I buy and for the huge tax bills I pay so you can live large. "Enjoy your paid break, lunch time, vacation, 40 hour work week, overtime, vision, dental, health, retirement, safety," I don't get any of those things.
 @Blindman  @riteye No, no it doesn't. How short of memory we all are. Do you not remember the sate having to raise wages six or so years ago? They could not compete with the wage and benefits packages of the private sector. My pay is now 8% lower than it was 5 years back. That is just my base pay. Figure inflation at 3% a year and you start to see the reality. If I had been an idiot, purchasing houses, toys, trips and sundries I could ill afford I would be in the same mess others find themselves in now.
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Instead of decrying the Unions you should thank them for all they have done for the average worker. Enjoy your paid break, lunch time, vacation, 40 hour work week, overtime, vision, dental, health, retirement, safety, child labor laws, etc. Give it up or shut it up.
 @riteye "critical thinking" Is leftest code for smartest person in the room. Oh and I'll just leave out the obvious.
If you guys had actually cared about your fellow workers you could have taken a pay cut. The state pays way higher than the private industry does. @riteye
 @Stock Woodie  @riteye BS! DOC has lost over 20% of the worker bees due to layoffs. Yea, they weren't "fired" but no job is still no job.
Those of us that use critcal thinking and use actual facts are on the left. Ands yes, it is more righ wing rhetoric - and thank you for point that out.Â
 @riteye Wow there is that 'right wing rhetoric' used again (you spelled rhetoric wrong by the way). Are all government workers left wingers?? Are there no free thinkers out there? Sounds a lot like Orwell to me...
Really ... then why are there less people working in state, county, and local governments.
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Maybe their volunteering, therefore they are not reported as employees.
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Give me a break .... My agency lost %16 percent of our revenue and %10 staffi More right wing rehtoric.
As a state employee, working at the very bottom of the totem pole, with barely enough income to support my family and pay bills, this article is a small light in our tunnel. The 3% paycut we got hurt us. It made a difference in the "which bill doesn't get paid this month" decision.Â
It's important to understand that not all state employees are the high paid political bureaucrats. We are normal people trying to make an honest living to support our families too, getting lay-off notices, pay cuts, and hitting hard times just like everyone else.Â
I would be surprised if those up there passing these decisions are actually taking any cuts...
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 @FromMyMindsEye "this article is a small light in our tunnel."
ASs a retired State employee, I support your hopes - but caution not to budget for the increases yet...that light may simply be an ember blown in from the fires on the east side of the State. When you have the delusional blind puppets like Blindman below posting "On the average a state job pays 3 times what the same job does in private industry" you will have to work hard to get the rational people still left in this State to risk the vitriol of the lugwarts who cry "Victim!" every time someone else manages to improve THEIR lives...
Don't listen to them, they really don't matter
"Don't listen to them, they really don't matter"
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A farrrrr left liberal agrees with Romney, they just don't matter.
 @FromMyMindsEye Washington State is a "At-Will Employment" state. You are free to go find another job that pays better.
 @Rider  @FromMyMindsEye  Obviously, you haven't had to look in the job market lately...  Â
 @Patricia  @Rider  @FromMyMindsEye That would involve facing reality.
 @FromMyMindsEye I don't mind paying a livable wage, but only to a government that isn't bloated to the point of bursting at the seams. There are too many state employees to meet the state income.
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Having been called by state agencies in the past to do maintenance in IT I can say I've seen more state employees sucking on a cup of coffee than those that were actually working. Paying a fat-ass state employee to get fatter is just plain bull. A thin government is an efficient government, just like the human body.
What do you do? On the average a state job pays 3 times what the same job does in private industry. As a truck driver I make $15 an hour in the Seattle area. If I did that same job for the state I would be paid about $42 an hour. How is it right for people making $15 an hour to be forced to pay state employees for doing the same job at $42 an hour? @FromMyMindsEye
@Blindman @FromMyMindsEye  I don't know where you got your numbers , But I also work for the State . I've been there just over ten years , I too drive a truck , a street sweeper , A front end loader , operate sanding / deicing equiptment , Snow plows when it snows , road paving equipment , bucket trucks , and repair road signs all for about $22.00 per hour . Now I recomend you recheck your numbers
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"If I did that same job for the state I would be paid about $42 an hour.".
Wow state truck drivers makes over $80K a year?? That's more than most State managers. Where do you get your information? Some buddy of yours told you?
The truth is that most state jobs DO NOT pay more than what you can make in a comparable job in the private sector. That is a right-wing media myth. The ONLY factor of state employment which is somewhat better than private sector is some benefits such as retirement. That's slightly better. Not 3 times better. But pay being more...not a chance
 @Grumpa  @Tangpo  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye "I am self employed so ALL of it."
Huh? You actually put 100% of your income into your 401k?
Do you live in a tree?
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"However all my friends in the industry lost 40% to 50% some even more of their 401K's in the recession down turn and wall street debacle."
And yet you insist that everyone should have to rely on investment for their retirement income? And you want to continue with the pizzle on down on the peasants economic system that caused the economic disaster of the Bush years - continue giving more to the rich, so they can "invest in jobs"?
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"How much did YOU lose?"
In my IRA, about 36%.
The State retirement fund I am in also took a hard hit - which wouldn't have been so bad if the State had been contributing it's legally required matching portion into the funds...
My sister took an almost 90% hit on her deferred comp funds - which were supposed to be run by professional investors. Want to guess how much of a pay cut THEY took when the market tanked? Well, their bonuses WERE smaller that year...
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My point was that State workers have long been required to put over 12% of their income into their retirement - half into the pension, half into social security. That's 12% off of a paycheck that is an average of 10% below what the comparable job pays in the private sector. Why do they stay? In most of the people I worked with, it was because we LIKED serving the people of this State - we felt that we were actually providing a valuable service that the people need. And the fact that many of us are military vets comes into play in that service mind set as well - it was/is a way to serve our State even out of the military.
That's not the prevailing attitude I saw when I worked at Boeing...which is one of the reasons I left Boeing to work for the State - at a 50% cut in the money I was getting.
 @OrcasThunder  @Tangpo  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye I am self employed so ALL of it. However all my friends in the industry lost 40% to 50% some even more of their 401K's in the recession down turn and wall street debacle. How much did YOU lose?
 @Grumpa  @Tangpo  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye "There are no pensions or retirement except the 401K in the private sector"
And what percentage of your monthly income do YOU pay into that 401k?
 @Tangpo  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye There are no pensions or retirement except the 401K in the private sector much anymore. Unless you work for Boeing that is about it. If you want a retirement go State or FED.
Give me a break ... I work for the state as a senior IT professional and I only make 36/hour. Most state employees make 10 to 20 percent less than our private sector colleagues.
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A State Employed Truck driver 3 earns $20.42/hour:
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Dept of Per. Salary schedule; please look up range 42:
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Please post a link to the job that state truck drivers make $42/hour. Â
You cant ... you pulled this out of thin air becasue you listen to the right wing extreme talkers .... then you sir need to learn to your being played like a fiddle.
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 @Stock Woodie  @riteye Another confused misinformed mind at work.
Try finding the actual way that the pension funds are financed - and note that while the employees have been and are paying their entire share into the pension funds - and the State has not paid more than a fraction of it's responsibilities for decades.
 @riteye There was some wag who posted last week that he "knows" 2 State mechanics who make $70/hour...then, after I showed him the State tables, he said it was one "retired" State mechanic...
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It's amazing how much misinformation is out there, and even more how many people actually swallow the crap...
And just wait for the person insisting that the State pays for ALL of our retirement pensions - out of the general fund no less!
ahhh ... no, that is a sperate calculation based on an average of hourly rates over the length of employement.
 @riteye Don't forget calculating "pension" into your hourly rate.
 @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye You need to do a little research before you make this statement! I left a job in the private sector, hoping to make more money. That was seven years ago, and I make almost $5000 less than I would have if I had stayed where I was - at a Chamber of Commerce job! Classified state workers do not make the money that the general public thinks we do!! We take cuts before the rest of the state even knows there is a budget problem! People who are in non-classified positions make more money, but they can also lose their job in a split second - like after the elections. I don't agree with some of their salaries - I'm just saying that the majority of state employees do not make the outrageous salaries that people think we do.
 @CrankyPanky  @Patricia  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye Can't take the heat, can you?
 @Grumpa  @Patricia  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye "I guess you are having a problem understanding me?"
No, not at all - you want to see what individuals make.
I was pointing out that the only clear picture when making broad "If I did that same job for the state I would be paid about $42 an hour" statements is to look at the range of what the job actually pays with the State, we have no info on what HIS truck driving job entails...is it delivering pizza, or is it a beer truck, or does he pump out septic tanks? Many truck drivers with WSDOT drive large trucks that carry heavy loads and plow roads and work in emergency roadway repair situations...at his rate, I doubt that the closest he ever gets to that level is when he exceeds the speed limit in a construction zone.
 @OrcasThunder  @Patricia  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye just in this thread alone from the smartest person in the world orcasthunder,"delusional blind puppets,lugwarts who cry "Victim!" ,Another confused misinformed mind at work.,There was some wag .,best your limited mental acuity,instead of the troll ,.these frogs don't have the mental ability to actually do some research"
 @OrcasThunder  @Patricia  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye Ever read your own post that's about all you do, hypocrite.
 @OrcasThunder  @Patricia  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye I guess you are having a problem understanding me? I was not asking Blindman to do anything. I was just pointing out that this web site has the salaries by name that's all. I have a good friend that drives truck for the state. If I want to know how much they makes I will just ask him.
 @CrankyPanky  @Patricia  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye "pat yourself on the back for being a good little commie."
Not surprising that's the best your limited mental acuity allows you to come up with...encounter a fact, all you've got is name calling...
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 @Grumpa  @Patricia  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye So...are you asking Blindman to post his name and address as well? Are YOU going to post your name and income?
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The statement was about a generic truck driver's pay - let's keep individual names out of this.
 @OrcasThunder  @Patricia  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye Get back to the union hall and pat yourself on the back for being a good little commie.
 @OrcasThunder  @Patricia  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye Yes but the other one gives the salary by name also. A little old but handy to see what the neighbor makes. Just the pay grades tell you nothing especially if you are not in the system and not privy to the code.
 @Grumpa  @Patricia  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye You might want to look at the actual website that holds the data - sourced from the State...
http://hr.wa.gov/CompClass/Pages/default.aspx
 @CrankyPanky  @Patricia  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye "says the goberment worker."
Who actually knows where to look for the real information, instead of the troll that simply repeats warmed over swamp sludge that has not one grain of fact in it's composition.
 @Patricia  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye Actually all of the government jobs pay rates are posted on the Web. Got your name or what you do, anyone can look it up.
http://www.lbloom.net/
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 @OrcasThunder  @Patricia  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye says the goberment worker.
 @Patricia  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye "You need to do a little research before you make this statement!"
You should realize that you are asking a lot...these frogs don't have the mental ability to actually do some research - the right wing "fact machine" is far easier to use than actually going to the actual data source.
 @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye "On the average a state job pays 3 times what the same job does in private industry."
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If you are only making $15/hr driving a real truck, who's fault is that?
 @OrcasThunder  @Blindman  @FromMyMindsEye Now, now, now Orca.... There are winners and losers in life.... not all can be winners.... but when expenditures are abused by an obese, overinflated and out of control government..... now that's a different story.... cost of war(s) well... that's just the nail in the coffin.....
 @FromMyMindsEye Those making those decisions aren't receiving any cuts.... Our Three Branches of Government hide behind a state constitution pertaining to their pay etc.!