Legal pot means big changes for state’s drug-sniffing dogs
SEATTLE -- The passage of I-502 made things difficult enough for the humans tasked with creating and enforcing the laws for legal marijuana. Now, try explaining the difference between "personal use" and "intent to sell" or the gray area between state and federal law to a dog.
That's why many law-enforcement agencies around the state, including the Seattle Police Department and Washington State Patrol, will no longer be training their drug-sniffing dogs to alert for marijuana.
“Moving forward, it makes most sense not to train dogs to alert to marijuana as that would likely lead to unwarranted investigatory detentions of people who are not breaking any law," said Alison Holcomb, author of I-502 and drug policy director for the American Civil Liberties Union.
The Washington Association of Prosecuting Attorneys sent out a memo advising the state's law-enforcement agencies that narcotics dogs are no longer required to be trained to alert for marijuana in December. And, marijuana was removed from the Washington State Criminal Justice Training Commission's Canine Performance Standards test in January.
Teaching old drug dogs new tricks
Sgt. Sean Whitcomb said the Seattle Police Department is already taking steps to desensitize its dogs to marijuana through rewards and constant training.
"Got to keep those sniffers in shape," Whitcomb said.
Thanks to some fortuitous timing, the Bellevue Police Department is on the leading edge of removing marijuana from narcotics dogs' vocabularies.
In January, the department decided to train its general tracking dog to also detect drugs. During the dog's two months of training, the department specifically taught it not to alert for marijuana, Bellevue Police Lt. Dan Mathieu said.
"The ideal is the situation we're in right now," he said.
Drug-sniffing dogs no longer enough
However, while agencies still have dogs trained to alert for marijuana on patrol, officers will no longer be able to rely solely on dog's alert when determining probable cause for a search warrant, according to the Washington Association of Prosecuting Attorneys memo.
The memo states officers hoping for a search warrant based even in part on a dog's alert will have to inform the judge the dog was trained prior to the legalization of marijuana and present additional evidence, such as a suspect's history of convictions or information from a witness.
Washington State Patrol spokesperson Bob Caulkins said his department will be more specific in its search-warrant affidavits in the future.
In the past, a narcotics dog's alert was pretty much all that was needed to get a search warrant, Caulkins said. He said a dog often wasn't even necessary to arrest for investigation of a DUI as long as an officer smelled marijuana in the car.
Now, Caulkins said officers will have to inform the judge a narcotics dog might be alerting for a legal amount of marijuana, but there are other causes for suspicion, such as the car leaving a known drug house or white powder on the driver's mustache.
Whitcomb said that jibes with standard procedure for the Seattle Police Department's narcotics dogs.
“A dog sniff on a car for us has never been a sole reason for getting a search warrant," Whitcomb said. "We’ve always used other factors.”
He said the department's process of desensitizing its dogs to marijuana should give anyone transporting the legal amount of marijuana some additional comfort, and they shouldn't fear a search and seizure.
However, there are still situations where an alert from a narcotics dog would be enough to perform additional searches, for example if the suspect is under 21, according to the Washington Association of Prosecuting Attorneys memo.
And, the requirement of additional evidence shouldn't be seen as too much of burden for officers. According to the memo, probable cause only requires fair probability that evidence of a crime will be found, not certainty. And, search warrants have been upheld in the past even with significant errors from drug-sniffing dogs.
These new requirements also aren't necessarily long-term changes.
Caulkins said the Washington State Patrol will be going back to the status quo for search warrants as soon as its current dogs retire and are completely replaced with dogs not trained to alert for marijuana.
The future of pot-sniffing dogs
But, not all law-enforcement agencies are on board with the changes.
Tacoma Police Department spokesperson Loretta Cool said the department will not be changing any of its procedures for training or using narcotics dogs as the possession of marijuana is still illegal under federal law.
That attitude is concerning to the ACLU.
Holcomb said narcotics dogs trained to alert for legal marijuana could extend detention and questioning beyond the scope of reasonable suspicion of a crime. This is especially worrisome because marijuana residue and odor are much more likely to be present on the state's residents than any of the other substances dogs are trained to detect, she said.
Pam Loginsky, who wrote the Washington Association of Prosecuting Attorneys memo, said law-enforcement agencies are still free under state law to train their narcotics dogs to alert for whatever substances they desire.
“Canines that are trained to alert to marijuana provide valuable information in support of probable cause for a search warrant," Loginsky said.
The DOJ grabs at the 193+ billion annually according to the DOJ NDIC report "The Economic Impact of Illicit Drug Use on American Society" on the war on drugs. According to the FBI almost 49% of the war on drugs is against marijuana. So shocking that some police departments resist, its soo shocking the DOJ branch the DEA will not remove this cash cow from their grasp. Yet the most shocking of all- is the public who thinks the head of the Executive branch, who appoints the head of the DOJ is powerless in stopping this cycle of violence perpetuated by prohibition.
âA dog sniff on a car for us has never been a sole reason for getting a search warrant," Whitcomb said. "Weâve always used other factors.â
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Awesome we can spend the money for toll bridges now instead of training these dogs.
I find it funny TPD takes that stance, when Tacoma passed prop 1 before weed was legal that made it a low level offense, didn't they?Â
@BillyZ253Â They just want to be able to keep searching people without a real probable cause...
it might in 20 years be a bother but till then these dogs need to keep pot in the training .yeah maybe we could sale some trained dogs to the chinese.. ECT..
i like the drone thing...just think..... like harry potter! the golden snitch. a little catch less ball... houvoring over all the 7- 11s and am pms ,, targeting crime ect.... thats funny and way tooo cool.. oh we wont need suicide by cop any more, just might as well march your self to your local police station sort of thing.,,,,,,...????.. too many drinks?
âCanines that are trained to alert to marijuana provide valuable information in support of probable cause for a search warrant," Loginsky said.-----------since its no longer illegal I don't see how you'd have probable cause..........
@SandyBeach quantity?
@maggie112 @SandyBeach That is harder to train. Not impossible, but retraining the dogs to determine quantity? I doubt that will happen. My dogs trainer was involved in defense, narcotics and explosives dog training specifically. They get the scent, but the strength of the scent does not necessarily mean how much of the substance is present. I've seen dogs hit on a spot that had drugs there a week prior.
Repeat after me: "Officer, I do not consent to any searches".Â
@DavidLightman206 then you have a right to remain shut the f up!
I had a cat once that was amazing at how quick he could find the stuff. Â
Trying to control each and every thing that 350 million people do with their bodies is not small government!
Pragmatic libertarians (minimal-statists) and true conservatives agree that many, if not most, of society's problems are caused by government usurping choices that could better be made by individuals themselves, and that government is just about the worst way of doing almost anything. Where libertarianism normally parts company with "fake" conservatism is over moral issues. A true conservative would have no problem with agreeing that what people do with their own bodies, and especially in the privacy of their own home, should be supremely their business and that anything else would entail ignoring the basic tenet of limited government.
If you support prohibition then you are NOT a conservative.
Conservative principles quite clearly are:
1) Limited, locally controlled government.
2) Individual liberty coupled with personal responsibility.
3) Free enterprise.
4) A strong national defense.
5) Fiscal responsibility.
Prohibition is actually an authoritarian war on our economy and Constitution.
It's all about market and cost/benefit analysis. Whether any particular drug is good, bad, or otherwise is irrelevant. As long as there is demand for any mind altering substance there WILL be supply! The only affect prohibiting it has is to drive the price up while increasing the costs and profits - and where there is illegal profit to be made criminals and terrorists thrive.
@Malcolm Kyle Uncle Sam couldn't run a convenient store w/o messing it up. Course, there is no stopping The Man and His machine. You can't fight a bottomless bucket of greenbacks. The Ship of Fools is on a strong and steady course. No turning back now.
@Malcolm Kyle Been saying that for 30 years. Good post. You missed one point that shows the difference between a true conservative and a republican and that is the religion issue. A true conservative would never push this religious agenda like the republican party does. And now it appears the christian coalition is trying to force its way into the libertarian party. Along with any form of religion comes bigotry and a true conservative will always stand against that.
I'd take the decision making abilities of a police dog over a human any day
That attitude is concerning to the ACLU.
So is the ACLU gonna have any respect for the people who find out they are living next to big, sketchy pot grows and all the shady characters that entails?Â
Kudos to the law enforcement agencies that have chosen to respect the choice of the voters of our state. Tacoma police again are a complete and utter disgrace and embarrassment as has become par for the course.
" Tacoma Police Department spokesperson Loretta Cool said the department will not be changing any of its procedures for training or using narcotics dogs as the possession of marijuana is still illegal under federal law."
So, do you arrest all illegal aliens since it is against federal law to be in this country illegally?
@giveitarest Tacoma still has its own aroma, evidently.
Marijuana is a narcotic?
As a REAL conservative, this legalization is a great step forward. Legalize pot, abortion, gay marriage. They don't hurt anyone and it's the individuals choice and they'll have to live with the consequences of making such choices. I don't need a government on the east coast telling me and my fellow countrymen what is 'good' for us here on the west coast or pretty much anywhere. It's time to reign in the government's grip on the people and restore power to us Americans
Agreed, however in PRACTICE...we ALSO have to live with the consequences of their choices, both physically and financially.
I'm good with them living with their choices...I'm not so happy when i get dragged into it with no recourse against them for the damage caused.
@Woodswalker
Reports that show Prohibition has failed:Â
http://idpc.net/publications/failure-regime-selected-publications
The Global Commission on Drug Policy:
http://www.globalcommissionondrugs.org/Documents.aspx
Reports that show alternative approaches of decriminalization and regulation are working:
http://idpc.net/publications/alternative-strategies-selected-publications
What we can learn from The Portuguese Decriminalization of All Illicit Drugs:
http://bjc.oxfordjournals.org/content/50/6/999.abstract
General report on drug law reform in practice:
http://www.tni.org/report/legislative-innovation-drug-policy
Prohibition by Numbers:
http://www.drugpolicy.org/facts/drug-war-statistics
It's stupid that Tacoma PD isn't willing to abide by the rules like SPD and have the dogs NOT sniff for weed. What's up with that? It's legal in the state, so stupid Tacoma PD needs to abide by the rules, whether it's legal at a Federal Level or not... it doesn't matter. It's legal in WA idiots!!! So un-train your dogs for sniffing marijuana like all the other depts and leave us weed people alone.Â
I am not commenting to be a target for druggies. A good mind is a drug free mind. the effects of pot conditions the mind not to be preemptive. It causes our mind not to be able to conclude good decision making skills. People addicted to Pot should not be allowed to raise kids. I will talk against this as long as long as I live. In my own personal experience Pot heads are selfish, unrealistic people who walk around in their pajamas all day long and only put in at work what they absolutely have to. Eventually, they are a daily toke claiming they can quit anytime and don't. It is a drug and as a rat goes to it over and over so do the ones addicted to this slow smoking dragon.
@Magdalena BujakAn ever-growing body of scientific research clearly demonstrates that Marijuana is less addictive than a cup of tea.
http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/basicfax5.htm
Dr. Jack E. Henningfield of the National Institute on Drug Abuse and Dr. Neal L. Benowitz of the University of California at San Francisco ranked six psychoactive substances on five criteria.
The tables listed below show the rankings given for each of the drugs. Overall, their evaluations for the drugs are very consistent. It is notable that marijuana ranks below caffeine in most addictive criteria, while alcohol and tobacco are near the top of the scale in many areas.
The rating scale is from 1 to 6 --- 1 denotes the drug with the strongest addictive tendencies, while 6 denotes the drug with the least addictive tendencies.
HENNINGFIELD RATINGS
Withdrawal Reinforcement Tolerance Dependence Intoxication
Nicotine 3 4 2 1 5
Heroin 2 2 1 2 2
Cocaine 4 1 4 3 3
Alcohol 1 3 3 4 1
Caffeine 5 6 5 5 6
Marijuana 6 5 6 6 4
BENOWITZ RATINGS
Withdrawal Reinforcement Tolerance Dependence Intoxication
Nicotine 3 4 4 1 6
Heroin 2 2 2 2 2
Cocaine 3 1 1 3 3
Alcohol 1 3 4 4 1
Caffeine 4 5 3 5 5
Marijuana 5 6 5 6 4
@Magdalena Bujak It's a good thing most people who were for legalization weren't potheads. They are professionals who don't see why it should be any different than alcohol. There's a reason every major tech company doesn't drug test - they wouldn't have many employees left.
@Magdalena Bujak That is very narrow minded of you. I smoke pot, I go to work, and I am more about helping others than myself. I recently lost my job when they did cut backs but I right away started applying to places and just got hired, plus I quit smoking so I could pass my drug test. I will easily throw down that I am more open minded than you. Cannabis is a plant. Get over yourself. And pot heads should not be allowed to raise kids? Really? Then if someone drinks alcohol they shouldn't be allowed to raise kids, or if they drink coffee, eat fast food, etc.! My reality is different from yours and I'm damn well glad that I'm not part of the sheep farm like you are.Â
@Magdalena Bujak
"In my own personal experience..."
Pretty much sums up your comments.
@gitmetawidit @Magdalena Bujak Especially considering that she seems like someone who would never have tried it at all!
@Magdalena Bujak Addiction to any substance is a bad thing. But prohibition has never worked and has always been a waste of money. Not everyone who smokes or drinks is addicted, just like not everyone who eats a big mac is obese. Freedom of choice is the way to go, not big government nanny state. Oh, I and know regular pot smokers who are wonderful parents and chemical free parents who are terrible parents.
@Sanctuary @Magdalena Bujak and if schools could filler out the drug addicts and their drugs and sex thing being a easy money ; before introducing to them a good healthy life  while in the system, and showing students how it could be respectable and a choice that arrests peer pressure at any introduction of drugs and sex  maybe kids could get a grip! kids r becoming what they r before the age of 12 because WHO they meet at school.. enough is enough of the blindness . too crud to say, hey where do u think your haroion, pot head, cocaine user, meth addict came about ? while in school and yes that is where it #%^@&*9 begins.. or if one rather beleave not then its your kid on drugs, most likely, do you want to know if your kid smokes cigarettes? drive by and see where all the smokers hang out before school cross the street from the school and the school staff r aware of these kids! hell they do it allll year long!
@maggie112 @Sanctuary @Magdalena Bujak To be honest, it's not the "drugs at school" that's the problem... it's the people that the kids associate with. Think about it, if parents teach their kids that the hard stuff is really bad and show pictures of people in the hospital etc, they will most likely NEVER turn to PCP, Cocaine or any hard stuff, nor hang out with kids that do it- I never did... just stuck to my weed friends :) If they are going to be "into something..." teach them to be into weed. Seriously, marijuana does not always lead to problems in life- it depends on a person's own desire to succeed and self discipline/motivation to be successful and out of trouble, etc.
I am very successful in life (job for 12 years, own 2 homes, married, etc) and love every minute of it. I've never been in trouble with the law except for drinking underage one time at a college party. Weed is healthier for you than cigarettes as well. I even asked my physician today and she confirmed it. A doctor will tell you it is much healthier than cigarettes from a medical perspective, don't believe me- ask them yourself. There has never been 1 recorded death caused by lung cancer ever, and cigarettes kill almost 50,000 or more people each year... I think you know your answer.
@Sanctuary @Magdalena Bujak Then let's legalize everything across the board, including but not limited to heroin, PCP, cocaine, methamphetamine, etc
@Duncan20903 I was replying to his comment about prohibition being a waste of money and all you genius. Keep your inane third grader rhymes insideÂ
@Lrry*x*K Anyone who is unable to differentiate between heroin/PCP/ cocaine/meth/etc and cannabis is in desperate need of a check up from the neck up.
But as a matter of fact both cocaine and methamphetamine are legal by doctor's prescription and available from licensed pharmacies in the State of Washington and The United States of America.Â
http://www.rxlist.com/desoxyn-drug.htmÂ
http://www.rxlist.com/cocaine-drug.htm
@Sanctuary @Magdalena Bujak A good mind is a drug free mind. Drugs inhibit the use of good cognitive reasoning skills. Alcohol has a very slow effect. It takes years to be an alcoholic where with pot, it only takes a year of use to be in an oblivion.It affect the person while they are NOT high. It changes the brains chemistry. A rat wants lots of if and will not quit. they go from hit to hit. A clear mind makes decisions, not so with a pot smoker even if he is not high after a while. Their thoughts become complacent and are not able to reasoned thought.Â
@JLS1950 @keepthepeace28 @Magdalena Bujak @Funky-Munky I got news for ya. I've worked at a few technology companies in the area... none of the big boys drug test. The small, few location local businesses might, but the majority of tech companies do not.
@keepthepeace28 @Magdalena Bujak @Funky-Munky Little known fact is that one of our state's very largest employers explicitly does not test for drug use - although they are incredibly security-conscious in all other areas, and explicitly rely on "reasoning skills". I don't do drugs, don't recommend using drugs, and don't even drink more than once in a blue moon - but I think it interesting that this large employer simply does not measure employees and staff by the contents of their urine.
@Magdalena Bujak @Funky-Munky Magdalena you are a idiot! Clearly you don't know ANYTHING about smoking pot. Let me put it this way- I've been smoking regularly for 10 years. I've only been arrested ONCE for a misdemeanor crime. I have a corporate job in Marketing, make almost $90,000/year, and am going back to school for my MBA. I smoke and go to work, I smoke before school... it does NOT affect your brain all that much. People can still focus, drive, take test, perform work accurately- almost as if we are not even affected!!!! SO HA. My reasoning skills and judgement is always just as on point as it would be if had I not smoked. But it's fun, lets me be creative with my marketing and I love it and will never stop. Until I become un-successful in life, among thousands of other successful stoners (Steve Jobs from Apple smoked it all the time and was a freakin billionaire) you need to shut your mouth because you have no idea what you're talking about.Â
@Funky-Munky @Magdalena Bujak I lived next to them on both sides and across the street. 6 on the next street and 4 down the other block. Time tells and 10 years of writing is a great conclude to "your short bus as you hold your Popsicle stick blowing bubble gum, kiddo.Â
@Magdalena Bujak Go back to the short bus please.... That's 100% a fabricated lie you're spinning....
@Sanctuary Well stated and thoughtful....
Real conservatives are going to love this. Less government intrusion in our lives and less government money spent. Win win for them.
I don't think that they should put away the dogs just yet, word is that the Feds are going to shut SaWa and Colo. pot laws down. Fed law trumps State laws and Holder is leaning toward "shut it down".
@lmdk2Â I don't think the feds can shut down the elimination of weed as a state crime. They can only shut down the sale provisions.
@Kary @lmdk2 They can't even shut down the sales provisions. The only thing that they can do is arrest those who choose to engage in that activity.Â
Aren't you people aware that California's Medical Marijuana Program Act is a decade old this year? How do you reconcile that fact with the belief that the Feds can "shut down" laws in that category?
âCanines that are trained to alert to marijuana provide valuable information in support of probable cause for a search warrant," Loginsky said."
Not according to State law. The dogs are not federal Police Officers, they are state/city/county Officers and must uphold State law.
I assure you if a dog sniffed me and smelled cannabis, there wouldn't be cause for a warrant as no law would be broken and there is nothing to search for. Â
We keep beating this stupid dead horse and now the horse looks like a pile of unrecognizable waste.  Enough of this garbage already. Cannabis WILL be legal according to Federal law eventually. There is no way to stop that from happening and there is no reason to try.