Octopus hunter: 'It's no different than fishing'
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SEATTLE -- The man behind a controversial killing of an octopus says he has received death threats over the incident even though the catch was completely legal.
Angry divers took photos of Dylan Mayer holding the octopus he had caught. The photos captured 20-year-old Mayer and his friend on the shore, tossing the octopus onto the bed of his truck then being measured on the floor of his garage.
Mayer said he can't make sense of the controversy surrounding his catch.
"I eat it for meat. It's no different than fishing. It's just a different animal," he said.
The idea to catch an octopus came from a friend's art project, Mayer said.
"He wanted me to get something from nature, so I got an octopus. I caught it, and then these divers came up and started yelling at me. I ignored them and ended up driving away," he said.
Scuba divers from all over the world visit Puget Sound in hopes of seeing the native giant Pacific octopus. But many divers say what Mayer did to an octopus at Cove Two in West Seattle on Wednesday was not neighborly at all.
"As they were coming in, you could tell the octopus was alive. It was writhing around, and they were wrestling with it," said witness Bob Bailey.
The uproar has not stopped since they hit shore, according to Mayer, who said he has received dozens of threatening phone calls and hate-filled emails. He said he has been demonized in the diving community, especially after some divers claimed he had caught a female octopus that had been sitting on her legs.
"That's not true. There were no eggs under it, and we checked," he said. "I even had a game warden come over and look at it, and even they said there was no problem with it."
The involved game warden, Wendy Willette, said Mayer did not do anything wrong.
"I think the timing, manner and place where the harvest occurred may be the issue. It could have been done at a better time," she said. "It's like deer hunting. You don't kill a deer while kids are viewing it, and I think it's a similar problem here. You need to be sensitive to other drivers and people if you're going to be a sportsman."
Mayer said he would likely do thinks differently if he could do it all over again.
"I probably would have gone at a different time. I probably would have gone to another area of Cove Two," he said. "The bottom line is another octopus will move up into that area and take its place."
Mayer said he has been banned from several dive shops in Washington state. He said his life-long dream of becoming a rescue diver is now in jeopardy as several diving schools have denied him admission in the wake of the controversial catch.
Angry divers took photos of Dylan Mayer holding the octopus he had caught. The photos captured 20-year-old Mayer and his friend on the shore, tossing the octopus onto the bed of his truck then being measured on the floor of his garage.
Mayer said he can't make sense of the controversy surrounding his catch.
"I eat it for meat. It's no different than fishing. It's just a different animal," he said.
The idea to catch an octopus came from a friend's art project, Mayer said.
"He wanted me to get something from nature, so I got an octopus. I caught it, and then these divers came up and started yelling at me. I ignored them and ended up driving away," he said.
Scuba divers from all over the world visit Puget Sound in hopes of seeing the native giant Pacific octopus. But many divers say what Mayer did to an octopus at Cove Two in West Seattle on Wednesday was not neighborly at all.
"As they were coming in, you could tell the octopus was alive. It was writhing around, and they were wrestling with it," said witness Bob Bailey.
The uproar has not stopped since they hit shore, according to Mayer, who said he has received dozens of threatening phone calls and hate-filled emails. He said he has been demonized in the diving community, especially after some divers claimed he had caught a female octopus that had been sitting on her legs.
"That's not true. There were no eggs under it, and we checked," he said. "I even had a game warden come over and look at it, and even they said there was no problem with it."
The involved game warden, Wendy Willette, said Mayer did not do anything wrong.
"I think the timing, manner and place where the harvest occurred may be the issue. It could have been done at a better time," she said. "It's like deer hunting. You don't kill a deer while kids are viewing it, and I think it's a similar problem here. You need to be sensitive to other drivers and people if you're going to be a sportsman."
Mayer said he would likely do thinks differently if he could do it all over again.
"I probably would have gone at a different time. I probably would have gone to another area of Cove Two," he said. "The bottom line is another octopus will move up into that area and take its place."
Mayer said he has been banned from several dive shops in Washington state. He said his life-long dream of becoming a rescue diver is now in jeopardy as several diving schools have denied him admission in the wake of the controversial catch.
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You don't shoot doe deer in the spring because they're suckling young, and that's the next generation of deer they're raising, and you shouldn't take octopus in the fall because that's when they're tending eggs. It's ethically bankrupt, and it's bad game management.
 I know of all kinds of things that are legal and ethically bankrupt. (Citizens United, anyone?)
Watching over their eggs is the the last act of a female octopus's life, and without her continuous tending, they're doomed. They cannibalize their own muscles to survive long enough to do this, and if he eats them, all well and good, if you kill it, eat it, but a female would be bad to eat right now in comparison to other times of the year, or a male.
Pulling a defenseless female out of a hole off of her young is disgusting. It's not a 'hunt'...it's a slaughter, not only of the adult female, but the thousands of her eggs.
To quote Dylan himself on the scene: 'She was on eggs, and now she's not.'
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He shows callous disregard for animals above the water as well as below:
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He can complain about how it was legal all he wants, and he can claim it was for 'art'... but what he did was disgusting, and he should be ashamed of himself.
I have no problem with people who hunt or fishâ¦who bake, broil or barbeque. I do have serious problems with people to do not respect animals, and take pleasure in their pain like these two idiots have so well documented.
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I have a 12â python (Dexter) which I feed frozen/thawed rabbits toâ¦he has to eat. However the rabbits are humanely raised and euthanized as feeder animals. I find no pleasure in watching them suffer by live feedings because there is an alternative. Â
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Dylan and his friend are two proven insensitive retards that .just enjoys hurtingâ¦not hunting⦠animals. What is next, blowing up some kittens or perhaps cutting the wings off seagulls and video how fun that is. They deserve all of their now NATIONAL attention from this story and isolation for their diving community, a job well done! Oh, feel free to dress up like a bunny sometime and visit, Dexter would love to meet you.  Â
If people do not approve of the catching and eating of octopus in these waters, perhaps they should petition to get the laws/regulations changed, not complain about someone doing what is well within the law.
@Kevin S Thats not what sparked this whole deal off. It was how he was treating the octopus as they were wrestling it out of the water and his attitude when asked about it. They were punching the octopus while it was still alive.
Anyone who frequents Alki any day of the year notices the diving activity at Seacrest. At least half the divers are photographers, perhaps the other divers are engaged in dive classes of some sorts. Â The divers come here to see the Giant Pacific Octgopus, the largest of the world. Â IT seems common sense that if every diver helped themselves at this dive site, the dive site would no longer exist. Â There are only a handful of shore access dive sites available in the area that have a high probability of providing divers the opportunity of seeing a Giant Pacific Octopus at any given time. Â Divers come here from around the globe to see these creatures. Most divers understand the sensitive nature of the site and are offended when others take it for granted.Â
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Because it has come to the realization that some divers can quickly destroy a well known dive site, either intentionally or unintentionally, the dive community will take the necessary measures to protect it in the future.Â
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Most divers are not opposed to the harvesting of octopus, just don't do it where it directly affects the pleasure of others, namely, well known dive sites. Â Hopefully he has learned to take his hunting off grid.
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 Many divers believe in the credo, "take only pictures, leave only bubbles". Â
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The people issuing the 'death threats' are the idiots. It's meat and he ate it. If it were a fish no one would bat an eyelid. Â what do you want, to give it 'uman rights.Â
I think the Game Warden is quoted perfectly in which she states that "it could have been done at a better time"; taking into consideration that divers, like bird enthusiasts, whale watchers and other outdoor sportsman enjoy seeing local wildlife in their native habitats. While this is a legal activity and cannot argue that fact, the implications of cruelty and setting are the real debate points here. We must wonder how an individual that implies that he hunts Octopus quite regularly would have no regard to the divers around him, while in public sight flaunting his inability and lack of knowledge of how to properly kill an Octopus once captured. There's numerous tips and methods available online even for the beginner. Beating an Octopus with your fists hardly seem productive. Lying the octopus on the bed of a truck and the floor of your garage for pictures hardly seem proper for your food prior to eating if this was a common occurrence.I think what's drawn the line for many, is the fact that we're to believe the idea came from an art project the same day that he was to harvest the animal, and then stated that he eats the animal for meat and implies this was a commonplace occurrence. What I mainly have an issue with, is the fact that this probably wasn't even for food at all and it could have just been a mindless killing for the sake of fun due to the abnormality of the creature, and the desire to put it on display. I guess this is speculation, but there are no real implications that this kid wanted to eat his kill from his story, or perhaps this is just the reporting.Â
Diver's credo...Take nothing but pictures, leave nothing but bubbles. There is something inherently wrong with taking an animal of this size out of the breeding population. I hope this young man thinks a lot harder before he considers doing something this ignorant again.
Why is KOMO naming the kid who LEGALLY hunted the octopuss while refusing to name the adults who are illegally harassing and trying to bully the admirable kid out of the diving community? The only controversy here is that of those older adults harrassing a young man who obeyed ALL of the Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife's rules and regulations. And why are they saying he "KILLED" it? When you legally catch a dungenous crab or salmon we refer to that as "catching" or "harvesting" the animal, which is what Dylan did. And why do they say it's "controversial?" Ever read the wdfd rules and regs? They are very thourough, and have specifics about fishing for octopuss, and they always error on the side of protecting creatures that are in any way endangered. Funny how one octopuss is caugt and suddenly everyone and their mother is an oceanographer who feels qualified to weigh in.
Stop the distracting nonsense about criticiizing those calling it "killing". That is exactly what Dylan did. He killed the octopus, he killed the rabbit, he killed the snake and he kills whenever he ends a biological life. Calling it "harvesting", or "taking", or "catching" are just social coverups to make the action seem more benign than it really is. Note, I am not condemning killing for human substinence, our energy to live has to come from somewhere. Many of Dylan's supportive comments are neglecting the REAL PROBLEM !! That being, the case of too many young kids (males) who take "killing" and unnecessary cruelty too lightly.Â
 @dorimonsonfan Read the comments here about the disposition and moral core of this young man and you'll understand the outrage...
First off, I can not bring myself to eat Octopus.....blah!!!Â
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Secondly, if it is not illegal to catch/kill an Octopus, than he was in the right. Unless you need a special permit and he didn't have one. Â
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Thirdly, torturing an animal before death is very wrong. I have heard, but don't have the facts, of Dylan and his partener punching this creature until it died....not cool. However, I am not sure how you kill an Octopus other than leaving it out of the water for a while or shooting it.
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Of what I have watched on discovery channel about Octopuses, many are born but only 1 or 2 survive to adulthood. Then they die after laying eggs. It would seem to me that this species would be protected since there doesn't seem to be a lot of them. But, what do I know....I don't hunt or eat Octopus.
"Truthinadverts" below is exactly right with the description of Dylan Mayer's perverted attitude about animal cruelty. "Trappedon405" below is also exactly right that Dylan and his partner have an opportunity here to to learn from their mistakes. Other comments below are also right about how chopping up sushi is legal and that this story gets more media attention than if a local child is killed.  The real issue is that Dylan's dumb "octopus"  mistake is just one indicator of  his casual attitude toward animal cruelty in general. I hire a lot of people in my business,  but would never hire this guy or his partner regardless of their skill level for any reason. Why? Because there will be others equally skilled who simply are "better people" and are able to see the bigger picture of how we live in a world where consideration for others, including other animal species is important.
Anyone who proudly post videos of themselves blowing up chickens, stuffing firecrackers down the mouth of snakes, and kicking  porcupines has a problem. And it is absolutely clear that kids who do this stuff without remorse have many more relationship problems as adults, including increased violent behavior with others. Yes, the taking of the octopus was legal, but nevertheless stupid. There still too many young "backwoods wackos" out there who don't technically violate the law, but exhibit such selfish and unnecessary behavior  toward animals. Many later in life behave in similarly cruel ways to people as well.Â
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If his facebook page is still available, take a look. Yes, Dylan is only 19 years old and still has some maturing to do, but, come on all you folks who are standing up for him in these postings with unfocused comments about chopping up sushi and complaining about less new coverage when a child is killed. Dylan has some problems he needs to address to become a better person who can make some positive contributions to our society other than abusing animals for personal enjoyment. Â
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I saw his facebook page yesterday, but can't seem to find it anymore. If anyone can help to locate it again, I would appreciate it.
Check out his interview with the Seattle Times. Unbelievable! Now he says he's dived there before, but had "no idea" that  people would be upset that he killed an octopus. He had the nerve to describe her as  "extremely aggressive" and trying to drown him! I wonder what grade his teacher will give him for this "art project".
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@wb7doj I agree, it would be a shame if any harm came to either of these two idiots. But at the same time it's not just the photo's that other eye witnesses took that opened these two individuals up to be harassed. Before Mr Mayer locked down his FB page you could view his personal posts and photos to identify him or his vehicle, ditto with Mr Whitbeck.  People just don't realise how vulnerable they are on social media sites and even news blogs such as this. For instance your choice for your KOMO screen name leaves you particularly vulnerable should you insult any of those "wack jobs". 73Â
 @wb7doj I'd like to add that Dylan's dive partner has made threats against people in this situation, do you have an opinion on that?
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Using that logic (which is fundamentally flawed), your initial post has no basis whatsoever. I completely agree that violence against Dylan and Jake is completely unwarranted, and persecution by playground witchhunting as we've seen on the internet isn't the way to go. But they should absolutely be held accountable for the terrible thing they've done. The best outcome from this would be the establishment of clear laws protecting wildlife and specific sites in the region.
 @wb7doj Wrong, what Dylan and his dive partner should do is evaluate the decisions they made and change the course of actions they take throughout life going forward. This is an opportunity for them to grow. He had multiple chances to avoid this firestorm by doing exactly that - acknowledging that his actions were wrong and promising change. This is the result of his stubborn self-righteous position, but he (and his partner!) still have a chance to learn from this and salvage something from it. A legal battle is not going to win anything for them.
Despicable. Isn't he aware of how intelligent they are? Hunting an octopus is not the sme as fishing, any more than hunting a gorilla is the same as hunting a rabbit. At the very least, a hunter should show respect to the being they have killed.
If I was this guy I would be selling my little red truck now that it and it's partial plate (9767B) has been plastered all over the internet. I think it will be real hard for him to find any dive site in this state where that vehicle won't be recognized. Â
the issue here is not one octopus. The octopus only served to shine a light on a much bigger problem with Dylan, and that's his issue with his cruelty towards animals. It seems to me that enough physical evidence (in the form of numerous videos) may exist to prosecute the Pasado Law on this individual. He certainly appears to need some help before he becomes a much bigger issue. He's supplied the evidence himself
Really? So, now you're an "internet" psychiatrist with the supernatural ability to diagnose clients through internet media and videos?
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No issue here "strawman." THE CATCH WAS LEGAL!
 @cawlnaduckaduck First off, I made it very clear that the octopus wasn't the issue here, yet you tried to distract back to that? Poor debate.tactics. The issue is that Dylan has stupidly self exposed (via his own videos online) a tendency towards violent cruelty towards animals. His own videos show it... It has nothing to do with my assessments of him. He shows it... proudly. So, the question is, with a kid that shows this tendency towards cruelty and violence... do you want to invite him in to live with your children cawl?
I fail to see what the issue is. I eat sushi all the time and Octopus is a common dish. People get worked up over the dumbest crap.
 @Hans Omaicock Your first two words of this post are spot on.Â
 @Hans Omaicock Hans, this actually has nothing to do with the octopus. The octopus has just shined a light on a much darker aspect of Dylan's life, and that's a history of cruelty towards animals. He's provided evidence of his own acts. So you're right... this single octopus isn't the concern here. It's Dylan showing (and filming) a trend of cruelty towards animals. Time for someone to take a much closer interest in what's going on in this kid's head, before it takes a very dark turn.Â
He took the octopus for an art project? What was he planning on doing? Tracing it?
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Dylan has filmed HIMSELF doing vile things to animals. FOR FUN! He blew up a chicken, killed it and was laughing the whole time. A cow was dying he was in stitches. Blowing up rabbits and snakes. Thats oh so funny. Somthing. Is. Wrong. Here.  Watch the vidoes he so proudly displays.Â
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Do you know he wrote a blog in which he stated that unless the 2 guys on the beach that approached him apologised to him that he would continue taking octopus from Cove 2 and nothing anyone can do will stop him?  Does that sound nomal to you?  Want him working with you? How about living next door?
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This kid is a sociopath and Im glad he has been flushed out and his name and picture is all over the internet now. I'm just sorry so many animals had to die before he was caught.
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He deserves everything that is coming to him and its nothing good.
I work in a sushi bar, I chop up octopi all the time. What the hell is the big deal? You people need to get over yourselves.
 @Tomsan the octopus is not the big deal Tomsan... it's only served as a flashlight onto a much darker side of this individual, where he himself has provided a battery of evidence of animal cruelty. Again, this isn't about the octopus. It's about a messed up kid who's filming himself killing and exhibiting cruelty to animals. Can you understand the issue there?
Typical trailer trash. His buddy on FB sports a confederate flag. Come on you live in the north, Maple Valley doesn't qualify.
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Believe it or not, wrestling an octopus in shallow water and dragging it to shore was a sport in the 1960's known as "Octopus Wrestling". Â The World Octopus Wrestling Championships were held right here in the Puget Sound and were even televised.Â
Isn't it strange....................a child could be murdered and you wouldn't get a quarter of the comments you get about this story. Just goes to show you this country is full of sick people and I'm not referring to the guy that killed the Octopus.Â
@JT No, because anytime KOMO reports a child being killed, there are plenty of comments on the forums about it. What is your point? There are a lot more children than there are octopi, so its something we hear about more often. Why even bother comparing? Thats not even a comparison, its a contrast. Who makes you the one to say a child is more important than an octopus?
 @northwestsurfer  @JT sicko
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@JT Come at me, brah. Its a debate forum, feel free to debate.
great, legal catch! nice work dylan!
This is a case of someone being treated as if they are guilty of some vile crime when in fact none has been committed. It is guilt because we say so. Those who are showing malice to this individual are libel.  He should sue and I vote that like minded people start contributing to a fund to help him get the best lawyer money can buy and start going after the people who are nicer to animals than human beans.
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@Rob-Roy Murray I'm sure that there must be at least one lawyer in Seattle that would take such a case as this and Dylan might just find such an attorney if he dove in the vicinity of the waste treatment plant. Good luck on that dive Dylan..,..
 @Rob-Roy Murray Dylan talk to a lawyer have him set up a fund and I will donate the first $50.
 @Rob-Roy Murray Only after you donate the first $5K.Â
@Rob-Roy Murray Please post your facebook page so we can libel you as well.
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Maybe its time to offer a measure of protection for such animals... Seems entirely self-indulgent of these two young fellows to use an animal this away. One that had it been allowed to live, would have benefited far more people by seeing it alive.
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I am a former Seattle resident and have dove Puget Sound, even collecting specimens of various aquatic life for display in the Seattle Aquarium back in the early 1990s. These were lower order sealife, not intelligent octopi, and served a greater purpose for educating the public.
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What these callow fellows did was inexcusable.
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Washington State legislators! It is time to consider some protections for the Giant Pacific Octopus.
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Hon. Steven W Lindsey
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Maybe a Facebook petition, divers?
wow! dare i ever fish the Puget sound ever again?
This guy is a low life, don't let the whitewash fool you. He was not humane about pulling the octopus out of the water, he punched it repeatedly in full view of multiple witnesses. He posted multiple pictures on his facebook account of kicking porcupines, putting firecrackers into the mouths of snakes and playing with the corpse of a cow. Dylan's dive partner has advised actions of revenge against the samaritan who approached them on the beach. Both of these scumbags posted multiple comments indicating that they didn't give a damn about what they did, and that they were proud of it - they only started taking the comments down when attention started getting too hot for them to handle. Dylan has started to backpedal a little, but he only defends himself, he still doesn't give a damn about wildlife or the morality of his actions - past, present or future. These punk kids are a waste of air.
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Hey KOMO - Why isn't Dylan's dive partner getting the same amount of coverage, he was equally responsible?
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Because this is how KOMO operates. They will go out of their way to get the story from the source, and then toss them under the bus. They did it to me; got hit by a truck last fall, recovered, then they begged for the story about it. Somehow they got footage of me getting hit, and wanted to interview me while watching the footage. I said no, asked them not to air the footage but I got this response below. Oh, and his clever little line that he would address my concerns? I sent him my concerns, and I got nothing but crickets and tumbleweeds.
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"Lindsay forwarded me your note and I wanted to respond. We do plan to show the video on our air to give context to a big story as we update viewers on the fact you got what you asked for, an apology from Chief Diaz. The other side of course â is a positive one of survival after a terrible accident. Iâm happy to address any other concerns you might have. We do appreciate you working with us on your story over the past few days"
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This guy let this intelligent, respected and much visited animal suffer for the sake of some idiot friends "art project". (his own words in the article). Â The fact that he does not care that the octopus was in an area frequented by spectators shows what kind of person he is. The fact that it was legal does not matter to 90% of us, it is the fact that he did not respect nature or other fellow human beings feelings enough to not do this in front of everyone who loved and visited the animal regularly. The poor creature trusted the wrong person this time, the person with no regard for anyone elses feelings. If you had to take the octopus, you could have done it more humanely and not in front of everyone who loves it watching you make it suffer and panic in its final moments. Â Shame on you. Might as well just go to a petting zoo and slice up a baby goat in front of a bunch of kids just because you can. Â You are a fool sir and unless you change your attitude and see the anguish you caused so many people, you will never have anyone truly care about you either.
 @Silver Lioness I love your comments! I'm not sure the octopus trusted him, though, because he had to bang two pipes together to scare the poor creature into the open so he could then pound its head in, throw it in his pickup, and measure it on the garage floor.