Inslee says state will keep moving forward on legal pot
OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Washington Gov. Jay Inslee and Attorney General Bob Ferguson met with U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder on Tuesday, but came away no further enlightened about how the federal government will respond to last fall's votes in Washington and Colorado that set up legal markets for marijuana.
The two states voted to legalize recreational marijuana use by adults over 21 and to create state-licensed systems of growers, processors and retail stores that sell heavily taxed pot. The creation of those regulatory schemes poses a possible conflict with federal law, which outlaws marijuana, and the Justice Department hasn't said whether it will sue to block the state laws.
Inslee, a former Democratic congressman who was sworn in as governor last week, told reporters after the meeting in Washington, D.C., that the state will move forward to establish rules for the market.
Hundreds on Tuesday night attended the state Liquor Control Board's inaugural public forum on developing those rules. The agency is charged with regulating marijuana under Washington's measure, and chairwoman Sharon Foster said the board was considering changing its name to include "cannabis."
The turnout surprised the board's members, who said they planned to add another forum in Olympia in addition to others already scheduled around the state.
Many attendees said they're hoping to obtain licenses to grow, process or sell marijuana. They called on the board to grant a large number of licenses to help keep marijuana a "cottage industry" in the state, and they said having prior marijuana-related convictions shouldn't disqualify people from obtaining licenses.
Jamen Shively, a former Microsoft manager, told the board he plans to create a high-end company selling only the best "artisan-grown, premium" marijuana. He urged the board to err on the side of caution - of more controls, testing and auditing - "so the feds line up behind us and not oppose what we're doing."
One speaker called for a prepaid state-run financing program.
Inslee said the meeting with Holder was collegial and the attorney general had a lot of questions but gave no indication about when the department might make a decision. Colorado's governor did not attend.
"I went into this believing that our state should continue to move forward with our rulemaking process," Inslee said. "Nothing I heard during that discussion dissuaded me of that view."
During a speech in early December, Holder said the department would have a decision relatively soon.
Inslee described the meeting as the opening of an ongoing conversation. He said he gave Holder details of the role of state employees - noting that although they issue licenses to private entities, they won't be charged with handling or distributing the weed.
He also said he promised to give Holder further details how the state might prevent "to the extent humanly possible" Washington-grown marijuana from being diverted to other states. That could include digitally tracking legally grown plants and processed marijuana to preclude large-scale diversion.
Ferguson said his message to the Justice Department was that the state hopes to avoid a legal fight, but that his office has a team of lawyers preparing just in case. He declined to comment on the strength of Washington's legal arguments, saying it was premature to do so.
Marijuana remains banned under the Controlled Substances Act, and the Justice Department could sue on the grounds that the state legalization schemes conflict with state law. When state and federal law conflict, federal law wins out or "pre-empts" state law.
Many constitutional law scholars say Washington and Colorado's efforts fall in that category, though proponents of Washington's Initiative 502 argue that it could actually complement federal law enforcement efforts by legalizing small amounts for personal use, allowing the feds to focus on large-scale, organized drug crime.
The Justice Department also could seize tax revenue collected as proceeds of illicit drug transactions.
Alison Holcomb, the drug policy director at the American Civil Liberties Union of Washington, was I-502's campaign manager. She called news of Holder's meeting with Inslee and Ferguson reassuring.
"It indicates the federal government is doing what we hoped they would do - taking the time to examine what the initiative proposes, and allowing the rulemaking to develop," she said.
The two states voted to legalize recreational marijuana use by adults over 21 and to create state-licensed systems of growers, processors and retail stores that sell heavily taxed pot. The creation of those regulatory schemes poses a possible conflict with federal law, which outlaws marijuana, and the Justice Department hasn't said whether it will sue to block the state laws.
Inslee, a former Democratic congressman who was sworn in as governor last week, told reporters after the meeting in Washington, D.C., that the state will move forward to establish rules for the market.
Hundreds on Tuesday night attended the state Liquor Control Board's inaugural public forum on developing those rules. The agency is charged with regulating marijuana under Washington's measure, and chairwoman Sharon Foster said the board was considering changing its name to include "cannabis."
The turnout surprised the board's members, who said they planned to add another forum in Olympia in addition to others already scheduled around the state.
Many attendees said they're hoping to obtain licenses to grow, process or sell marijuana. They called on the board to grant a large number of licenses to help keep marijuana a "cottage industry" in the state, and they said having prior marijuana-related convictions shouldn't disqualify people from obtaining licenses.
Jamen Shively, a former Microsoft manager, told the board he plans to create a high-end company selling only the best "artisan-grown, premium" marijuana. He urged the board to err on the side of caution - of more controls, testing and auditing - "so the feds line up behind us and not oppose what we're doing."
One speaker called for a prepaid state-run financing program.
Inslee said the meeting with Holder was collegial and the attorney general had a lot of questions but gave no indication about when the department might make a decision. Colorado's governor did not attend.
"I went into this believing that our state should continue to move forward with our rulemaking process," Inslee said. "Nothing I heard during that discussion dissuaded me of that view."
During a speech in early December, Holder said the department would have a decision relatively soon.
Inslee described the meeting as the opening of an ongoing conversation. He said he gave Holder details of the role of state employees - noting that although they issue licenses to private entities, they won't be charged with handling or distributing the weed.
He also said he promised to give Holder further details how the state might prevent "to the extent humanly possible" Washington-grown marijuana from being diverted to other states. That could include digitally tracking legally grown plants and processed marijuana to preclude large-scale diversion.
Ferguson said his message to the Justice Department was that the state hopes to avoid a legal fight, but that his office has a team of lawyers preparing just in case. He declined to comment on the strength of Washington's legal arguments, saying it was premature to do so.
Marijuana remains banned under the Controlled Substances Act, and the Justice Department could sue on the grounds that the state legalization schemes conflict with state law. When state and federal law conflict, federal law wins out or "pre-empts" state law.
Many constitutional law scholars say Washington and Colorado's efforts fall in that category, though proponents of Washington's Initiative 502 argue that it could actually complement federal law enforcement efforts by legalizing small amounts for personal use, allowing the feds to focus on large-scale, organized drug crime.
The Justice Department also could seize tax revenue collected as proceeds of illicit drug transactions.
Alison Holcomb, the drug policy director at the American Civil Liberties Union of Washington, was I-502's campaign manager. She called news of Holder's meeting with Inslee and Ferguson reassuring.
"It indicates the federal government is doing what we hoped they would do - taking the time to examine what the initiative proposes, and allowing the rulemaking to develop," she said.
My favorite lne is this one: "One speaker called for a prepaid state-run financing program."
I wonder if his decision has anything to do with the Ruling coming in out of DC. Â It's amazing what happens when facts vs. opinion are presented. Â Maybe we can save money off of the 1.8 million inmates we pay for, relating to drug crimes. Â http://americansforsafeaccess.org/downloads/DC_Circuit_Ruling_ASA_v_DEA.pdf
 Freedom always comes with an appropriate responsibility. We use to be a country that worked collaberatively together. But after post-modernism era, we have changed to an individualistic society. i.e. No one cares about anyone other than themselves. You say you want your freedom, but you cram down my throat that I have to live with the legal use of marijuana, and live with the dangerous consequences. Think through this, what is it going to be like in five years? How many innocent people will be hurt by you being so arrogant to demand your freedom, your way, in no regard to anyone else. It's a double standard and definately NOT freedom.
A HUGE chunk of our US population already partakes in MJ.... where is all the death that you speak of? What dangerous consequences are you referring to?
So far, for the Inslee administration It's been all pot, all the time. This is his HIGHest priority?
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I guess all the other problems we have are solved. We can send the legislature home.
@Stephen Ramsey YES as pathetic as it is ..  this is #1 because its MONEY for the state....
Yep, public parks will now enjoy people sucking doobies to go along with the ones drinking out of brown paper bags.
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How progressive.
@Attila So VERY true
Oh and ... make sure you stay 25 feet from the doorway .................
Are "We The People" not the "Federal Government" ???? I think it's time the "People" make their own decisions on what they want.Â
One might also ask Holder and his boss why gay marriage is a state issue and marijuana is a federal issue. Inquiring minds wish to understand the basis for that distinction.
Typo in the title, classic.
Syas?? I think the author might be using :)
Here you go trolls -
United States Department of Health and Services patent for Cannibis-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US-patent-6630507.pdf
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Many people using the cannibinol for healing cancer as well. Â Thanks and have a nice day.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/marijuana-and-cancer_n_1898208.html
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A trillion dollars spent on the war on drugs. Â US has 5% of the world's population, yet 25% of the world's incarcerated, 80% of which are drug related. Â How much could our country save by legalization? Â
https://www.youtube.com/user/breakingthetaboofilm
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What is the difference in marijuana & alcohol ??? This country went thru the prohibition era the same as now with marijuana....
two felonies for cannabis as a young woman made for a difficult time in my 20's looking for work , housing , or even going to college and more still as a mother in my 30's just wanting to volunteer at my child's school, wanting to start a business, I have never tried meth or crack, I rarely drink, no driving infractions, even if it has these dui loopholes I still consider it a step in the right direction
I would be careful, Jay. Holder certainly has some money left over to funnel guns to drug cartels. Cartels are likely very unhappy at WA state.
Eric Holder..:))) I thought they'll discuss about the "fast and Furious" operation....I forgot, who cares what the people want?
The people of this state have spoken on this issue, and the professional nannies need to shut up and live with it.
@Randall Flagg     I just read that the Federal Appeals Court REJECTED the argument for legal marijuana use, even for medical purposes, citing there are no credible research studies that show marijuana is of any medical value. You should admit the truth, you basically want it to be legal to get stoned. (Which it appears that you already are stoned. Behavior of rage, belligerent, argumentative, and ignorance.)
@Lorie You are partially wrong. They (DEA) CHOSE to INTERPRET the NUMEROUS findings in which are in favor of medicinal use as not having any. Of course the DEA is going to INTERPRET in a non-favorable way. It's a HUGE budget draw for them. The WAR ON DRUGs is all about $$. Â
 @Lorie  @Randall Wow...  Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance - A. Einstein.
Here's an article regarding Cannibis and Cancer and how is heals certain types. Â
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/marijuana-and-cancer_n_1898208.html
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Also, did you happen to know the UNITED STATES DHS has a patent on Cannibis for neuroprotectants.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6630507.PN.&OS=PN/6630507&RS=PN/6630507
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How about doing some reading? Â You also might want to hit YouTube, search 'Stop the Taboo' , a wonderful documentary narrated by Morgan Freeman. Â
 @Lorie Correction - Breaking the Taboo on Youtube
 @Lorie  @Randall http://patients4medicalmarijuana.wordpress.com/medical-use-of-cannabis-video/the-government-holds-a-patent-for-medical-marijuana/
But it is still schedule 1. Hypocrite much?
 @Lorie  @Randall Funny how legitimate scientists don't want to do research on MJ because they are afraid they'll get busted by the feds.  How convenient. Â
 @Lorie  @Randall The "Why" is irrelevant.  Criminalizing petty drug use is a waste of state and federal law enforcement and it only leads towards bigger and a police-like-state.  Â
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Smoking pot is probably not all that good for you and for numerous reasons, I don't. Nonetheless, I want freedom, not statism. Â
 @Lorie  @Randall stoned people don't rage, and you're proving that you're commenting from a position of ignorance by so clearly showing you have no idea what you're talking about.Â
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@Heinekev @Randall  Just look at your rageful replys. Rage and arragonce are some of the symptoms of pot users. And yes I do know what I am talking about. I work every day with people who want to get off of marijuana, because they realize that it is destroying their lives.Â
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Inslee and Ferguson are fools to support this issue. Marijuana WILL impair anyone who uses it. Especially driving, don't we have enough people dying because of alcohol abuse. How many people will be hurt or killed because of people driving stoned. Marijuana decreases cognitive abilities, no question. Research already validates that. Why in the world would we make this legal? What a stupid decision because of a few extreme liberals who pushed it and lied to people to get it approved. How many of the people of Washington will have severe negative circumstances happen in their lives because we were so stupid to apporve the use of mairjuana?
You do realize that it is still illegal to get stoned and drive right?
Nobody here is advocating for anyone to drive while stoned.
@Lorie Explain to us please what is the difference between the people who are using it already illegally and how making it legal will affect the status quo? People are already using it and making it against the law hasn't stopped that use. At least instead of a war against it we might even have some control over it. At the very least the people who use it already won't be filling up our prisons because of possession.
@Jatok Making marijuana legal WILL cause more people to try it and use it beacause they won't have to worry about being busted. You are right though about there is a huge number of people that already use it illegally. That does not make it right. Another example; just because our taxes are raised on so many things, legally by the government, does not make it right. Every year more and more of my money goes to taxes. I would like to keep the money I earn, and especially I d not like to pay for so many extravegant expenses that politicians claim are appropriate.
I work with people every day who have extreme problems because of their marijuana use. They regret having done this and made so many problems in their lives.  You are also right about people going to prison because of this. That is not the place for them, but maybe educating them about the truth and help them stop using it. It is just not good, under any situation, because it has awful side effects.Â
Can't people, who claim to be so smart, find some other way to live and not do something that is only in the long run going to hurt them?   Â
@Lorie This country spends billions of dollars a year in the war against marijuana. There is a demand and as long as there is a demand there will be the major criminal element involved. I think in a perfect world it wouldn't be a problem, but this is far from a perfect world. The money used to fight this would be so much better used going after the hard core drugs which do far more harm than marijuana ever will. I understand what you are saying in your post, but sometimes you have to look at the whole big picture and make decisions on what will do the most good for the greater sum.
 @Lorie I drive better stoned
@bartle_doo @Lorie And bartle_doo you're an idiot for doing so. If you REALLY believe this you are one of the people that will eventually give the movement a BAD name.  THC DOES create an impairment. PERIOD. Now the plasma level for a frequent user that would cause impairment may differ from a more occasional user but the fact is still there and it DOES IMPAIR your ability to operate a motor vehicle. Don't get me wrong... I couldn't be happier this was approved in this state and have wondered if I would ever see marijuana use being at least decriminalized. And by the way I am a registered Republican, though moving to Independent this year to support Libertarian movements.Â
 @Lorie I don't believe legalizing pot is going to encourage those that don't already smoke, to start. It will just allow our law enforcement to focus on bigger issues.
I prefer my tax dollars don't go to chasing pot heads.
 @Lorie Lorie do you think pot is worse than alcohol? Cuz if you do, you're wrong.
 @Lorie Freedom Lorie, F-R-E-E-D-O-M.  Freedom does not condone mis-use as you portray.  Those who mis-use Marijuana, should and will have consequences. Â
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You are not being forced into using Marijuana, you just have the choice to use Marijuana. Â It's not an agenda of any political party or group, it's about FREEDOM.
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If the issue were about the legalization of riding horseback in the Cascades, I would vote for FREEDOM.
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If the issue was about the choice of public or public and private school funding, I would vote for.... freedom. Â Â
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It's not about Marijuana, it's about freedom to use your own sound judgement to make your own choice. Â Anything can be misused and many things are bad for you. Â There are probably more people dying due to overdoses of Big Mac's than there are of Marijuana. Â Freedom to choose, even if the subject you personally disagree with. Â I think Big Mac's and Marijuana are both gross, but if you had not read it about ten times now, it's about freedom to choose for yourself.
@Vertically Inclined  Freedom always comes with appropriate responsibility. We use to be a country that worked collaberatively together. But after post-modernism era, we have changed to an individualistic society. i.e. No one cares about anyone other than themselves. You say you want your freedom, but you cram down my throat that I have to live with the legal use of marijuana. And live with the dangerous consequences. Think through this, what is it going to be like in five years? How many innocent people will be affected by you being so arrogant to demand your freedom, your way, in no regard to anyone else. It's a double standard and definately NOT freedome.
@Lorie "A society that does not recognise that each individual has values of his own which he is entitled to follow can have no respect for the dignity of the individual and cannot really know freedom." ~F.A. Hayek
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Many do not have the choice to use Marijuana because it is against federal law,
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that is the level that needs to be addressed, not at the state level
 @Lorie New troll ID .Citation or all bull. Pot has been legal for well over a month and the sky did not fall.
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The federal government won't challenge these initiatives or any other. If it goes to court the federal police/government would have to go through the entire process of getting caught with no answer.
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 @Lorie You know what else decreases cognitive abilities? Lack of sleep. No one has made that illegal yet. Do you understand the tax revenue this IS going to bring in? No more budget cuts for public schools, better roads, etc. A large majority of Western Washington already smokes marijuana. This law makes the people who already smoked even more vulnerable to get what is now a felony, which is a DUI for being under the influence of marijuana. Also, what are these "lies" that some of these "extreme liberals" have used to push the law and get it approved?
@Concerned_Citizen  Are you kidding me? You think there is going to be a huge increase in tax revenue. That will not happen, and is any increase in tax revenue worth the price of lives lost or brains impaired?Â
I just read that the Federal Appeals Court REJECTED the argument for legal marijuana use, even for medical purposes, citing there are no credible research studies that show marijuana is of any medical value. You should admit the truth, you basically want it to be legal to get stoned. Â
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 @Lorie No medical benefits... really? Tell that to the chemo patients that use it.
I think the feds should pull every, and I mean EVERY doller from any state that goes agaisnt federal law!!!!!
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This issue in my OPINION was delt out by the Feds, and needs to be overturned by the feds,
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it does not fall under states rights.
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 @AKjohn You should try to realize the feds are in it up to their gonads.
http://patients4medicalmarijuana.wordpress.com/medical-use-of-cannabis-video/the-government-holds-a-patent-for-medical-marijuana/
 @AKjohn And, as many of us have been stating like a broken record...the feds will NEVER take this up on their own.  There's too much money at stake.  The only way this will change is for states to force the issue.
 @AKjohn Beating the drum to the song of the great authoritarian federal government are we?
Its against federal law,
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@AKjohn I guess you never heard of the Tenth Amendment or Nullification or that any law that is not found to be within the jurisdiction of the Constitution of the US or State isn't really a law. There are ways to change Federal law and nullification is the most effective. If more states legalize or decriminalize they are in effect nullifying the Federal law. The Federal government needs to tread very carefully here because an all out fight on this will be a loosing battle. The truth about marijuana will be pushed into the mainstream and the Federal government will be forced to recant much of it's existing drug laws due to being based on false data. Â
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You should have stopped right there.