Professionals call for state to reject new 520 bridge pontoons
SEATTLE -- Professionals are calling for the state to reject the first six pontoons built for the new 520 Floating Bridge. Last week a KOMO 4 Problem Solver investigation revealed that all six pontoons had leaks. Now we've uncovered new safety concerns about those pontoons breaking apart during a severe storm.
"We did not have leaks. We did not have cracks," says Jerry Purdum, a retired engineer. His first big job was the original 520 bridge building pontoons from 1960 to 1963.
Purdum says even 50 years ago the pontoons they built, massive at 360 feet long, had no cracks and no leaks. "They never took on water," says Purdum, "they never had a leak." So now, Purdum can't understand how or why Washington's Department of Transportation is having so many problems with the first six pontoons.
A Problem Solver investigation revealed last week that all six pontoons had leaks. Even leaking through, in some cases, extensive repairs.
Purdum says as a professional and as a taxpayer, he's concerned.
"What are they going to do with those six pontoons? They're allowing them to bolt them up in the lake now. They're not gonna be rejected?" he said. When we ask if they should be rejected his answer is adamant: "Yes. Because they're leaking."
A WSDOT insider who asked to remain anonymous also believes that, like Purdum, the state should reject all six of the first pontoons and tell contractor Kiewit in Aberdeen to start over. Purdum adds, "This is not a typical girder or bridge beam holding up a flat slab on ground; this is a floating structure. I think this is wrong."
Now the Problem Solvers have uncovered a new structural problem buried in thousands of documents we obtained through the Public Records Act: The type of structural weakness that could be as catastrophic as WSDOT's own animation from 2007 depicting how the old bridge might come apart in a severe windstorm. The key is the joints between pontoons and how they are connected with rebar called Hook Bars.
Internal WSDOT e-mails from last spring show that structural rebar in Pontoon V was "missing". WSDOT's own engineer Patrick Clarke noted that he could not "structurally approve it" without those essential pieces. In spite of that, documents show that contractor Kiewit opted to ignore Clarke's recommendations for repair, and quote "proceed at risk".
Kiewit went on to do the same with the two other large pontoons so all three now on the lake are missing that critical rebar. A second WSDOT engineer also found this was "not structurally acceptable." Documents and our insider also indicate that, just like in the WSDOT animation, the loss of that critical rebar would weaken the joints by as much as 50 percent, and could cause a similar "unravelling" in a severe, 100 year, windstorm event.
"They've got some problems," Purdum said. "They should find out what it is and solve it before they continue placing pontoons."
Late Thursday, the state told us it is working with Kiewit and that if the missing rebar requires retrofitting, it will be done along with any other necessary repairs to ensure pontoons that will last for 75 years.
On several occasions KOMO 4 News has asked WSDOT to let us speak directly with key engineers who've been critical of how the project is progressing, including Patrick Clarke quoted from documents in this article. But WSDOT says it's not appropriate for employees to discuss issues that are currently under review.
Your retired 'expert' does nothing these days in relation to large concrete structures, he does ornamental and archetuctural facades. Just because he said he worked on the exisitng 520, what did he do? Those pontoons are no comparison to what is being built now. They were smaller and had a much different load, they do not even draft near as much water as the new 520. They leaked like a sieve after they were joined. Get a real expert KOMO.
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Why is KOMO the only one who thinks there is a conspiracy. Here is another positive story about the repairs and condition of the pontoons ! http://kxro.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/520-pontoons-still-in-good-condition/
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The Friday Times article on WSDOT's position WRT these pontoons was strategically posted before the election weekend and then quickly relegated to the archives to bury the article. WSDOT clearly doesn't understand the problems with these pontoons and is proceeding to install them regardless of whether they will have to be constantly pumped out to keep them afloat. I hope there isn't a power outage during a significant storm! And the Times is working with the powers that be to bury the investigation.
I don't think she needs to talk to Patrick Clarke, I'd be willing to bet she already has been talking to him....
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@Eduardo Capistrano she didn't single out his emails, he pointed her towards them.
It is a sad state of affairs when the public believes shoddy reporting over thier Governor. The pontoons are fine; the news casts are simply cheap pandering to the public's fears. I met an old engineer yesterday who told me tales of hunting jackelopes. Those are rabbits with horns.  Don't believe everything you hear.
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The old Lacy Murrow Floating Bridge had proven that it could handle extremely the
extreme high winds that occurred during the 1962 Columbus Day Storm.
Why, in 2007, did the DOT even bother to question this proven design.
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Hint----If it ain't broken, don't try to fix it
So who exactly is getting a kickback from the state or Kiewitt ?
"But WSDOT says it's not appropriate for employees to discuss issues that are currently under review."
Well, so much for freedom of speech. This is more of a "let us keep the minions quite until we can hide this screw-up" rather than "fix it".
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Send them back for God's sake what are these people thinking? Â Who's in charge of this?
Perhaps a special prosecutor should be interviewing the engineers. Perhaps also an investigation into any financial or personal relationship between the engineers and contractors, and between Legislators who might have influenced the contractor selection.
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Sounds like a Kiewit is fond of "incentive management" just like a certain big oil company was in the gulf recently. "Gee..if we cut some corners and do this cheaper then my bonus check will be bigger." "Who cares if the bridge sinks in a storm 30 years from now...I'll be long retired." Sounds a lot like ... "What's the chance of that sub-standard blow out thingy really causing a problem anyways?"
What people should do is start boycotting the bridge NOW until the issues are resolved. If the revenue dries up due to the lack of tolls maybe the state will get the message loud and clear. But that really is too much to ask the passive-aggressive types around here.Â
 @Tooby Roosday Done and done. I haven't driven across it once since they started tolling.
 @I Like Meat Tolling?
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"Good To Go = Good To GOUGE"!!!!!
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Now it's just "the rich man's bridge".
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The toll shouldn't be more than $1.00. Period.
 @TheTruncheon  @I Like Meat @TheTruncheon: You don't travel too much do you? The toll on several bridges and tunnels going into Manhattan in NYC, including the George Washington Bridge, is $12.00.
 @I Like Meat BRAVO! Me too.
"...then they expect us to treat them with any respect." Sent the lot off to The Fletcher Memorial Home.
A few well-placed campaign donations by Kiewit and these pontoons will be deemed safe for use. Problem solved!
Made in America. Sure don't build them like they used to. Need to start over on Kiewit's dime.
@Klondiko well made in America with illegals doing the major work. Someone should be in Aberdeen interviewing the workers and the company
From previous articles, some of the cracking occurred as the concrete dried, perhaps all of it.  Some may have occurred as they were towed up the coast and around down to the lake. An earlier article stated that there was saltwater rusting on some of the rebar exposed by cracks. DOT engineers have stated that they could not â"structurally approve itâ due to missing rebar at the joints where they come together. Does anyone remember the big wind storm where they had a string of tug boats pushing on the I90 bridge to ease off the stress? How about the old Hoods Canal Bridge which failed in a wind storm? Mind you that one was mostly human error based on faulty assumptions, but the joints failed. Does anyone need to be an engineer to realize the disaster in the making they are setting themselves up for here? Haul those faulty hunks of concrete to the deepest part of the lake and make fish habitat out of them.   Â
BS! ... If they could build them with no leaks 50 years ago what is the EXCUSE to allow leaks 50 years later... man it really is true.. Companies want profit and stick to the potential for lawsuits when this thing fails and people get hurt or worse die! ... do they really think this is acceptable trade off... I say NOT ON MY DIME! Reject the pieces and tell Kiewit to do the job right! tell them to shove their lobbyists where the sun don't shine! Some people hate the government oversight but seriously this is a case of the government NOT doing what it needs to do which is step in an drop the hammer down with a FIRM NO... DO IT RIGHT and this screw up is coming out of your bottom line!
Kiewit is a huge company and they have lobbyists at the state level just like Boeing or any other large corporation. This is just an example of what goes on at a larger scale federally. Where back room deals are made to pay off a few inspectors and managers here and there. And in the process the public is put at risk. The governor or the state attorney general needs to step in and halt the project till all the structural problems are solved. Its not a big deal. Kiewit certainly has insurance that covers this sort of thing. Make them make it right.
Pretty obvious here folks. This should be relatively easy, it's basically the same design that has been in use for more than 50 years and it Just Plain Works. If there are engineering screw-ups, fix them and can those responsible. If the 'contractor can't see 'issues' in the design, can them and find someone new as they aren't smart enough to do the job. If the contractor can't build it correctly for what they bid, get rid of them and start the project over without the ridiculous draconian 'fines' for not meeting 'deadlines'.
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Hammond needs to go as her inability to properly address issues and covering up for Kiewit is going to endanger lives in the not-so-distant future. Kiewit needs to correct any engineering defects, and rebuild the pontoons without ANY fines/costs to the state, after all they are the ones who built the crappy pieces to begin with.
Just close your eyes and keep voting for the Democrats folks, everything will be just fine.
 @thatsjarrod What a jack-*** comment.  Do you really believe this would have been different with a Republican Governor.  Good Lord. Â
@thatsjarrod Halliburton come to mind with that republican comment? ... it doesn't matter who is at the front.. the government is letting the company dictate the project too much WSDOT needs to step in and set this stupid company straight that these mistakes are UNACCEPTABLE...
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If republicans are for reducing government regulation and letting business's do what they do best this is inviting more of this BS in my book!
@thatsjarrod that is a real intelligent comment. Politics has nothing to do with this. Just make sure are this quick to assign blame on the next republican who takes over the office you are blaming for this, when something goes wrong on their watch.
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 @Eduardo Capistrano  @jeff Wow.  Double-jack-**ery.  This proves nothing.  It would have been the same for a Republican.  You two guys are the problem with politics in America.  You are so blinded by partisanship you've lost the ability to be rational.  And, yes, I have voted for Republican Governers twice, including in this election (lesser of two evils).  This is UNRELATED to political parties and, if Gregoire drops the ball on this it will be because she is she, not a Democrat.  What a couple of a**-clowns. Â
So what does that have to do with this story? We don't vote the WSDOT in to their jobs. And it was the Govenor that asked for the investigation. So your statement is very stupid.
Heads should roll at WSDOT. Let Paula Hammond be the first.
Anyone who believes government can solve problems or create and oversee massive projects such as this new 520 bridge are sadly mistaken and it does not matter if a Republican or Democrat is at the helm. The bureaucracy is truly at the helm regardless of what we are lead to believe. Just read between the lines of these 520 stories.
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I know, I personally saw more money flushed down the toilet during my tenure at State Fish and Wildlife than a top winning lotto ticket in Powerball would generate. I was scorned and called a liar for pointing massive errors in a multimillion dollar rivers and streams database dreamed up by a government consortium that did not know how to create it, oversee its creation by a private contractor, nor know how and correct errors once received back from the private consultants.Â
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The bureaucracy builds a massive smoke screen using half truths to convince the legislature that the money should keep flowing. Seven years later after having left state service the smoke screen and financial bleeding continues while a stopgap database I created for less than $250,000 still is in use by Fish and Wildlife and BPA and joined with four other state databases.  Government today is a lost cause that should be scaled back by the thousands. Other than generating spending by employees for a local economy not much else is given back to the tax payers, at least from what I experienced.  At one time, though, government was functional and served a real purpose, but not today.
@growlerxrunner Yeah the government can never do anything right! Especially big projects! Look at all their massive failures!Eerie CanalPanama CanalGrand Coulee DamHoover Dam
Interestate Highway SystemGemini, Mercury and Apollo Space ProgramsNew Narrows BridgeAircraft carriersetc.
 @growlerxrunner So the private contractors who designed and are building the pontoons bare no responsiblility?? I am so tired of this idiotic assertion that handing over every aspect of our day to day lifes to private entities whose ONLY motivation is profit is the answer.
@growlerxrunner - Sadly mostly people get caught here "does not matter if a Republican or Democrat is at the helm." - They can't see past their noses.
 @alildifferent The media (including KOMO & Fisher Broadcasting) continues to lock out 3rd party candidates.A majority of voters will not even listen to nor consider candidates other than GOP or Democrat. Politics isn't about finding the best person for the job. It is a matter of who you know and who you blow.
They should replace them without charging the taxpayers a dime.
This is amateur hour compared to what we will see occur with the "Big Dig" tunnel construction.
Your my new hero Joe. Thank you for the laugh. The whole idea of the tunnel is hard to believe. Instead of Seattle being known by the rest of the world as a place that rains, we will forever be remembered as the city that went the most ever over budget on a project and on top of that the end result of the tunnel will cause for way way more traffic problems then we have now.
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Amen to that, brother. Those same real estate developers and property owners (often one and same) donated/contributed/bribed a lot of the politicians who greenlighted the tunnel. Only a naive fool would have voted for such a ridiculous folly.
Why is DOT top management telling KOMO that they cannot talk to this design engineer guy, Patrick Clark? Isn't it quite apparent to all that they are trying to hide something? If they really wanted to be up front and get to the bottom of all this, then why are they so scared to have him talk publicly???
@Eduardo Capistrano it's called CYA
Typical Soviet-style, "New Deal" workmanship found in WA state
 @vanceox You sound paranoid Comrade.
Time to terminate the contract with Kiewit and the DOT people who are trying to push this through without proper construction from the start.
A simple test...take all six units pull them away from location -find some water off to the side.
let these sections float for four weeks with no help'' -like pumping out -if they sink. they replace
all units need to be tested before assy- they sink-no repairs allowed, replace with new ones until they get it right.
maybe steel would be better or a barge type design like a ferry hull-end to end..why an old design
the nothwestern way is to be leaders in all sorts of ways.think out of the box.
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I see masive death and destruction and huge law suit in the states future!
The contract needs to be pulled and a new company found and every dime paid to Kiewit needs to be refunded.  Whoever made the design should be fired if it is flawed.  As for Kiewit being off the hook for building a bad design, they have engineers overseeing this project and should have validated the design, part of the job.  So no, they are not off the hook.
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