Proposal would remove marital exception for rape

@bustedupredneck

You're correct. Republicans seem to base everything off an archaic belief system while the Democrats simply work for women. Why is it anytime these new men's rights groups (which are generally focused on divorce and custody issues) speak up, politicians don't even acknowledge them? These groups are not about reversing the progress of the women's movement but instead speaking out on how men rights seem to have been thrown out the window. Every male politician is afraid about not being re-elected. So the safe thing to do is always get behind women's issues. They're afraid to support mens groups out of fear they'll be labeled as some "anti-woman chauvinistic pig."  Does the male vote even matter anymore? For some reason, the female vote is more important. When a female runs for office, do you ever hear her talk about trying to gain the mens vote? Of course not. I want to believe in the next few years, mens rights will begin to be taken seriously. If we remember, no one ever talked about gay rights or marriage in the early 90's. Now it's widely accepted just as it should be. It's a matter of time. But it takes men and women who see what's happening to speak out. 

 

@Lisa @bustedupredneck .

The worst are the professional politicians. They will say anything they can just to be reelected. That is followed with the media. They will only run what they think will get their position further. The truth is out there the lazy will sit in front of the TV and take in only what is spoon fed to them. I spent the first two summers out of high school working of a small town paper and was appalled at what did and did not make the pages. I had my eyes opened as to how the left worked.

 @UtterReality  That's all we're saying, Utter. We're just throwing out the other side of these proposed laws and how they can VICTIMIZE innocent people. We're not saying that those who rape should get away with rape. But instead how these laws can be manipulated. Unfortunately you have folks like  STK's remark "Rape is rape. No exception." who think it's this clear cut and generally believe anytime someone cries rape, the person accused must be lynched regardless of due process. 

 @mhungry  @Rider  @lisa Yes, that's my concern as well.  How would the prosecution be able to prove that a crime took place without other visible signs of assault?  Already, all that a woman has to do these days to get rid of her husband is call the police and say that she feels threatened.  He'll then most likely get arrested due to mandatory arrest laws, get a no contact order against him and be banned from his own house.

 @Rider You and I are totally on the same page about this. We don't want those who have committed rape to get away with it. However, you and I are extending the problems with the system and how such laws can be manipulated by those who are spiteful. There's a large portion of people who truly believe this doesn't happen while the rest of us with common sense know it does. I'm exhausted of hearing that when there's not enough evidence it's some how the "patriarchy" oppressing women with a huge push to simply make convictions standard off accusations. And that when an investigation begins, it's somehow "victim blaming." See, I want both girls and boys to be taught about this problem for their own protection. But for some reason, the women's groups reject offering practical advice to girls and truly believe it is always the males responsibility. Not to mention, when the slut walk marches, where are the stories of female-female rape? We know darn well it happens with lesbian couples. I am convinced these people truly believe rape can only occur when it's done by the physical male anatomy. 

 @MaxVonToadenoff  @Lisa  @spacegoddess Your SNL skit is already happening. It's called Grass Eating Men or Herbivore Men. It's most common in Japan where a full 60% of men in their 20's and 70% of men in their thirties have no desire to ever get girlfriends, get married, or reproduce.

 @UtterReality  So let's look at it a little further. Young women still expect traditions that work in their favor while young men have been told not to expect/ demand traditions they want. For the most part, young men have accepted not to place a demand on a female. However, the modern young male is objecting to chivalrous ideals a large majority of women still expect and demand because it works in the females favor. If women want relationships, it's time for them to change a bit and stop placing outdated demands on men. Most young men simply aren't willing to be manipulated and therefore refuse to enter relationships. 

 @MaxVonToadenoff  @Lisa  @spacegoddess Obviously men still care about sex, but marriage rates are at an all time low, and I don't see that trend reversing anytime soon.  My female friends complain about how men just want sex and not relationships.

 @MaxVonToadenoff Actually academic studies have been conducted and are finding that a lot of young men in the modern world feel this way now. You don't have to agree. It's only a matter of time until it starts becoming evident. (And it will.) The lack of desire to marry on be-half of young men is already well know. And those independent studies who have polled thousands of young men all concluded that young men see the system stacked against them, therefore they won't marry. Instead, biased groups love to state that the modern male doesn't want to grow up and therefore, why he won't commit. No, the modern young male is just smart and has observed their fathers and men before them screwed in divorces.