Rally against Seattle gun violence calls for an end to killings

The pro-gunners (I myself am pro gun ownership) continue trying to blame on gangs, even though the overhwhelming majority of shootings since the beginning of the year were NOT gang related. Even the Seattle police have admitted most of the shootings have not been gang related, but an assortment of other things like domestic violence, road rage and people just going nuts.

 

The man who shot the other man in Lake city during a road rage incident was not gang related. Ian stawikis murders were not gang related. The person murdered and found dead in Gresham was not murdered in a gang related incident. The state trooper killed was not killed by gang members. The 2 people shot at Seattle center were not shot in a gang related shooting.

 

Less than 1/3rd of the shootings in the Seattle metro have been gang related. DEFLECTING THE PROBLEM to 'gang members' (ie dangerous latinos and blacks) when the FACTS dont support it is not going to solve the problem.

 

 

"I think its important that we take a stand for peace," says resident Andrea Brenneke.

 

When all the bad guy, gang banging druggies give up their guns then you can have mine...  Needless to say I wont have to worry about that coming to fruition even if the socialist in the white house tries to do an end run on the 2nd amendment!

I think everyone should own a gun. I say, if your old enough to shoot, your old enough to exercise you second amendment rights! Now, dont you feel safer already going out to the movies, or dinner, or shopping. I know I don't.

When you can guarantee me with 100% certainty that no one will try to hurt me, or someone around me, or that if someone does, a police officer will be there to stop them, then I'll leave my gun at home.  Until then, I refuse to entrust my safety to probability and the benevolence of criminals.

We have a really live laboratory of gun Control.

 

Chicago.

 

Chicago is real safe isn't it?

If you go through the list of homicides in 2012, you will be struck by how many occurred as a result of involvement in drugs and/or gang-related. I do not envision drug dealers/gangbangers willingly "putting down their guns". Nor do I see society dealing with the mentally ill, but not an immediate danger to themselves and others (and so cannot be committed). 

 

So walking for peace sounds like one of those useless feel-good activities that dizzy people do to show how much they care.

Guns, guns, guns, I think if you own a gun you should also own a t shirt that states "guns don't kill people I do."

Note to criminals.....there are TWO places you'd be just DYING to get into. The graveyard, and the home of a registered gun owner. The government will never be able to take ours away from us, and we intend to USE them if you get foolish enough to want to cause harm to us, our families, or for that matter, anyone on the street we see threatened by your ilk. If you can read, or think logically, look at all of the recent stories about LEGAL gun owners, killing your kind in self defense. That number will continue to rise. Keep that in mind, and behave.

TIme to find a new cause people; that spike in gun deaths was a fluke. Notice there hasnt been much happening in the last few months; thankfully the sky didnt fall.

All this violence makes me NOT want to leave my gun at home.

Remember, once again, our city leaders don't believe we actually have a problem. Take Mariko Lockhart (Seattle Youth Violence Prevention Initiative) for example.  She actually said in a Townhall Seattle meeting (6/18) that we do not have a gange problem.

 

http://www.seattlechannel.org/videos/video.asp?ID=5211233

...Watch, starting from 67m27s with the question from Westneat. "Seattle's not like those cities." and "we have a different dynamic" and "We're not experiencing a gang war".

 

As a gun owner with a cpl, and as someone who believes firmly that if guns were outright banned, the problem wouldn't go away because a lunatic who wants to kill could care less about a rule, could we please stop comparing guns to knives, baseball bats, hammers, etc...? The differences are huge mainly because you cannot fight back or evade a gun (unless you have one pulled out at the time of attack). It takes a lot more time to kill a person with other weapons, making it near impossible to go on a killing spree, there is no such thing as a drive by stabbing because guns allow you to be at a safe distance, and there is no such thing as getting hit by a stray blade. I have more respect for the argument that if law abiding citizens are stripped of guns, criminals will be armed and we won't be, giving them an unfair advantage.

 

people with guns will follow guns not guys

cops would have to stop the suicide by cop stuff and stop killing first, then people with guys will follow. it will take my years

Guns don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people.  Next you will want to outlaw knives, then the Mariners wont be able to play baseball because you'll want to make bats illegal.  What's next???

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.  Next you will want to outlaw knives, then the Mariners wont be able to play baseball because you'll want to make bats illegal.  What's next???

"Leave guns at home." Nice advice coming from the guy with a gun on his hip. My gun (concealed) goe with me daily for the same reason his does - you never know when that violent situation will occur. When that situation does happen, it is not real practical to run home and get it out of the safe. The point is that law abiding citizens are not the ones to be worried about. Telling us, by force of law, to leave our guns at home only ensures that when the law breaker starts shooting that there is no danger to him that anyone will fight back. And telling the bad guys to leave their guns at home... well, we all know how well the listen, don't we? Insanity.

Of the cities 24 homicides only 6 have been directly tied to gang violence (google and search functions people, use them).

 

Yes, gangs are a problem, but they arent causing most of the gun violence. Even the (crooked) SPD has admitted to this. THe majority of shootings in the Seattle metro arent gang related, they have just been either people going nuts, or road rage, or domestic violence.

 

You cant treat measles like you would treat a cold, even if they share a few symptoms.

I think we also need to have protests againt other inanimate objects that kill, e.g., hammers, baseball bats, automobiles, utility poles, plastic bags, subwoofers, extension cords, the list goes on... [/SARCASM]

Such is the way of Washington Law, so very backward.

 

Too many violent crimes? They punish the weapon.

 

Worst drivers in the country? They add a few more road laws.

 

How about they start at the source, the root cause of the issues.

 

Too many violent crimes?  How about figuring the type of people who commit these crimes and take action before it begins.  Is it bad/low income parenting?  Maybe focus more on the family values and parenting instead of punishing the weapons.  If they have committed a violent crime, then it's already too late to make a change, you need to implement the fix before it becomes a crime. 

 

Worst drivers in the country? How about actually Skill test those who apply for a license.  Test them again every couple years.  How about increase required training before getting a license.  

 

In my opinion, education is the largest form of preventing negative behaviors in society.  And yet, it's the last thing that we focus on when confronting issues that affect society.  

This state needs to get tough on the criminals, not the guns.  We have a severe gang problem caused by the influx of foreigners, sorry to say that, but it's true.  Whether it be the Asian, Russian, or Mexican gangs, they don't care about anyone but themselves and their power.  So long as Seattle tries to reason with them, the violence will continue.  Grow a backbone and start making the criminals serve tough sentences!  Don't take away the rights of those of us who are responsible !!!

WOW!!  I have a comment below "awaiting approval".....reminds me of the Kevin Cotlove days.

Liberalism run amok. Everything liberals do from passing unpopular healthcare legislation to printing foodstamps to help the "poor" is based in making themselves "feel good." It doesn't matter whether it actually works or not, and if it bankrupts the country so what?  Liberals will still think it was the right thing to do. The problem is their very policies are creating more poor dependent people every day. Nothing is as blind as liberalism.

I recommend guns to senior citizens. I don't think you can fight off home invasion robbers with baseball bats.  Haha!

WOW! All the criminals are now going to lay down their weapons and turn into good upstanding citizens after this rally!!  All you rallyers take that stand for peace! But sorry, all you actually accomplished is you walked two miles, way to go, you all had a great workout! Once again a group that is out of touch with the reality of today's world.

The vast bulk of this violence stems from one community of people in Seattle and the surrounding area.

We all know who that is.

This has changed the behaviour of lots of innocent people who do not partake of various elements of this lifestyle. Again, we all know what that is. Older and meeker people won't go out after dark or at all. They are forced to avoid areas they used to go to freely .

Others (like me) have rolled our fingerprints downtown and are armed 100% of the time, even when mowing our lawns.

This one community needs to focus on itself.

It's leaders (such as they are) need to come up with a proposal which will let the Seattle Police Department do it's job in the field w/o  fear of accusations of profiling etc. Profiling works.

It would cut these statistics by 90%. Everyone knows that.

So step up people.

If you choose not to, eventually the rest of us are going to start demanding the liberal use of the death penalty for gun crimes, which will affect an inordinately high number of your people.....because it's your people committing these crimes. 

If you don't care about your own people, how can you expect us to?  

Time out. 

 

Ok, now it's getting dark.  Still out there marching?

 

I didn't think so!

They're probably the same people that thought their marching would stop the vietnam war. Keep marching fools, but there are bad people in this world that wouldn't bat an eyelash over ending your life. Leave your gun at home so you can be added to the statistics. The mayor enjoys leading his sheep to slaughter. 

I'm sure the gang members and other criminals in the city are now saying, "Wow, these people walked 2 miles for peace, I'm going to stop selling drugs and robbing people and help the community now."  Personally, I'm rallying to avoid gun violence by not walking in Central District after dark.