Does abandoned Idaho mine hold key to energy independence?
LEMHI PASS, Idaho -- Head out to the mountains of Lemhi Pass in central Idaho and you'll find an old, abandoned mining camp, and a dreamer named DeWorth Williams.
"There's enough Thorium here to power the United States for 500 years," Williams said.
But it's in this mining camp, with its abandoned bunk houses and long-forgotten roads, that the idea of a Thorium-powered world died 40 years ago.
Back in the 1940s and 1950s, there was hope that humanity was on the cusp of something incredible: We were going to split the atom to create limitless electricity, and as a result, there would be world peace.
America had a choice to make in the 1950s and 60s: Get nuclear power from Uranium, or from a now mostly forgotten element called 'Thorium'. In theory, Throrium is more plentiful, more efficient, and far safer than Uranium.
They actually made a reactor fueled by Thorium at Oak Ridge National Laboratories. It worked. And so, we came to a fork in the road of history: Uranium or Thorium?
There's a hint of bitterness in DeWorth Williams' voice today when he says, "in the end it was Uranium that was selected, because the government wanted to build bombs."
The problem with Thorium was that you couldn't make enriched Plutonium as a by-product. But with Uranium you could, and with enriched Plutonium, they could make nuclear bombs. The rest, as they say, is history.
But what if we had gone with Thorium? What would the world be like today?
John Kutsch, director of the Thorium Energy Alliance says plainly, "The lost opportunity for a half century of not using this for commercial purposes is almost unfathomable."
Former NASA engineer and nuclear technologist Kirk Sorenson agrees.
"I think if the road of Thorium would have been pursued with the kind of resources that had been devoted to other ideas, we would have seen Thorium reactors coming on in the 1990's... and we would have been completely energy independent by the early 2000's," Sorenson said.
Ultimately, in 1972, the Thorium mining operation in Idaho was shut down. The stuff was now worthless. But DeWorth Williams climbed around in the mountains, staked claims, and bought up hundreds of veins of the stuff, just in case.
It's the purest, richest stash of Thorium known in the world, although that isn't to say it doesn't exist elsewhere. In India for instance, there is plenty of Thorium, but it's mixed in with sand, and the process of removing it from that sand is expensive.
Thorium is, of course, radioactive. There are signs on the mountain reminding you of that as you walk around.
We took some chunks of rock from the mountain in Idaho to Boise geologist Rich Reed. Using a spectrometer to measure the radiation, the thing practically squealed when Reed pointed it at the rock.
"This stuff is hot... you've got some hot stuff there," Reed said.
Today in the aftermath of Fukushima and 3-Mile Island, with the reputation of nuclear power at an all-time low, men like Kirk Sorensen and John Kutsch are bringing the nuclear energy dream back from the dead, powered this time by Thorium.
"If we are able to realize the energy from Thorium, it really will be the end of energy crisis on Earth for the rest of human history," Sorensen said.
Kutsch added: "It's absolutely not an exaggeration to say that Thorium used in molten salt reactors can save and change the world."
Molten salt reactors use a complex process that is almost completely opposite of a light water reactor.
"With a light water reactor you're always trying to keep it under control... and keep it managed," Sorensen said. "With a molten salt reactor, you're always trying to keep it on. So almost the minute you stop trying to keep a molten salt reactor running, it starts to shut off."
So essentially, in simple terms, just turn off the power and disasters like Fukushima are avoided.
Experts say the molten salt reactor, powered by Thorium, can produce 90-times as much energy as Uranium, the waste lasts only 1/1000th as long, and they talk about a revolution in the use of electric cars powered by cheap, Thorium-produced energy.
But there are non-believers.
"I don't believe in Thorium reactors as being a new, different, or likely part of nuclear power's future," said David Lochbaum, Director of the Nuclear Safety Project. "But for disclosure, I also don't believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, or that Elvis works at a Burger King in Michigan."
Lochbaum says there are still dangers.
"The Thorium reactors still produce a lot of energy for a small amount of material, and if you don't properly deal with that, you can overheat and damage the fuel and release large amounts of radiation."
Sorensen replies: "Yes, they do produce large amounts of heat, that's why we're interested in them! They produce more heat per unit mass than anything we've ever come across in the world!"
So why aren't we using Thorium now? China and India are already diving into Thorium.
But in the U.S., Thorium believers say it's a combination of factors -- the largest being the sheer cost of researching, and building enough molten salt reactors to power America. They say that at this point there isn't enough political fortitude and real determination on the part of the public to make the Thorium dream a reality.
In the meantime, Williams wonders with the potential for limitless energy that's cheap and safe with no pollution, how can we not afford to find out?
"Automatically, you think, 'Why isn't this happening?' " he said. "And so it's here... it's ready to happen."
"There's enough Thorium here to power the United States for 500 years," Williams said.
But it's in this mining camp, with its abandoned bunk houses and long-forgotten roads, that the idea of a Thorium-powered world died 40 years ago.
Back in the 1940s and 1950s, there was hope that humanity was on the cusp of something incredible: We were going to split the atom to create limitless electricity, and as a result, there would be world peace.
America had a choice to make in the 1950s and 60s: Get nuclear power from Uranium, or from a now mostly forgotten element called 'Thorium'. In theory, Throrium is more plentiful, more efficient, and far safer than Uranium.
They actually made a reactor fueled by Thorium at Oak Ridge National Laboratories. It worked. And so, we came to a fork in the road of history: Uranium or Thorium?
There's a hint of bitterness in DeWorth Williams' voice today when he says, "in the end it was Uranium that was selected, because the government wanted to build bombs."
The problem with Thorium was that you couldn't make enriched Plutonium as a by-product. But with Uranium you could, and with enriched Plutonium, they could make nuclear bombs. The rest, as they say, is history.
But what if we had gone with Thorium? What would the world be like today?
John Kutsch, director of the Thorium Energy Alliance says plainly, "The lost opportunity for a half century of not using this for commercial purposes is almost unfathomable."
Former NASA engineer and nuclear technologist Kirk Sorenson agrees.
"I think if the road of Thorium would have been pursued with the kind of resources that had been devoted to other ideas, we would have seen Thorium reactors coming on in the 1990's... and we would have been completely energy independent by the early 2000's," Sorenson said.
Ultimately, in 1972, the Thorium mining operation in Idaho was shut down. The stuff was now worthless. But DeWorth Williams climbed around in the mountains, staked claims, and bought up hundreds of veins of the stuff, just in case.
It's the purest, richest stash of Thorium known in the world, although that isn't to say it doesn't exist elsewhere. In India for instance, there is plenty of Thorium, but it's mixed in with sand, and the process of removing it from that sand is expensive.
Thorium is, of course, radioactive. There are signs on the mountain reminding you of that as you walk around.
We took some chunks of rock from the mountain in Idaho to Boise geologist Rich Reed. Using a spectrometer to measure the radiation, the thing practically squealed when Reed pointed it at the rock.
"This stuff is hot... you've got some hot stuff there," Reed said.
Today in the aftermath of Fukushima and 3-Mile Island, with the reputation of nuclear power at an all-time low, men like Kirk Sorensen and John Kutsch are bringing the nuclear energy dream back from the dead, powered this time by Thorium.
"If we are able to realize the energy from Thorium, it really will be the end of energy crisis on Earth for the rest of human history," Sorensen said.
Kutsch added: "It's absolutely not an exaggeration to say that Thorium used in molten salt reactors can save and change the world."
Molten salt reactors use a complex process that is almost completely opposite of a light water reactor.
"With a light water reactor you're always trying to keep it under control... and keep it managed," Sorensen said. "With a molten salt reactor, you're always trying to keep it on. So almost the minute you stop trying to keep a molten salt reactor running, it starts to shut off."
So essentially, in simple terms, just turn off the power and disasters like Fukushima are avoided.
Experts say the molten salt reactor, powered by Thorium, can produce 90-times as much energy as Uranium, the waste lasts only 1/1000th as long, and they talk about a revolution in the use of electric cars powered by cheap, Thorium-produced energy.
But there are non-believers.
"I don't believe in Thorium reactors as being a new, different, or likely part of nuclear power's future," said David Lochbaum, Director of the Nuclear Safety Project. "But for disclosure, I also don't believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, or that Elvis works at a Burger King in Michigan."
Lochbaum says there are still dangers.
"The Thorium reactors still produce a lot of energy for a small amount of material, and if you don't properly deal with that, you can overheat and damage the fuel and release large amounts of radiation."
Sorensen replies: "Yes, they do produce large amounts of heat, that's why we're interested in them! They produce more heat per unit mass than anything we've ever come across in the world!"
So why aren't we using Thorium now? China and India are already diving into Thorium.
But in the U.S., Thorium believers say it's a combination of factors -- the largest being the sheer cost of researching, and building enough molten salt reactors to power America. They say that at this point there isn't enough political fortitude and real determination on the part of the public to make the Thorium dream a reality.
In the meantime, Williams wonders with the potential for limitless energy that's cheap and safe with no pollution, how can we not afford to find out?
"Automatically, you think, 'Why isn't this happening?' " he said. "And so it's here... it's ready to happen."
Instead of using yet another radioactive waste generating source we should be looking heavily into fusion. Efficient and better yet... radioactive waste is confined only to the structure the reactor is enclosed in over a entire geographic area!
Key problem is the waste from this 1/1000th really ... that is little difference if at all since some parts of radiation take billions of years to decay... fusion is a much better prospect and is truly clean energy... we don't need more nuclear reactors to maintain - what can and is the focus on this planet for energy now and the future is fusion.
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Simply shutting off the flow of electrons stops the reaction very quickly. As fusion happens in the stars but we need a mini star to produce energy ... since we obviously don't have that space we need for a star on earth we need to develop the technology to compress enough to deliver the necessary pressure then presto... not to mention the radiation from fusion is confined to the building the reactor is in and it dissipates in hundreds of years as opposed to billions of fission that then needs to be transported processed and disposed of...
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Sorry but fission reactors are a thing of the past and we don't need to be making anymore of those. Better to focus efforts on the next deal technology which offers better cleaner results. Because we can build more nuclear reactors does not mean we should!
@Freespeech you dont know what you are talking about, please do some reasearch about the "waste" from a LFTR as its all vauleable and most of it only hot for weeks, the xeon gas and neodymium are 90% of the "waste" with in 45 days the are compleately not hot any more and can be sold . the rest is used in nuclear medicine and satellite fuel.   please start here this is a 5 min video there many more that will teach you even more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9M__yYbsZ4
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This seems like something the Gates Foundation should investigate. Just think of how the world could change with cheap and relatively safe power. Naturally the conspiracy theorist in me thinks that the big oil and coals companies would try to sabotage such research, but if you had a group like the Gates Foundation backing it, then I would imagine they would be able keep the research secure and to do it justice. If it is found to be viable, they would share it with the world. Not that Mr Gates or Mr Forbes need to worry about leaving a legacy behind, but this would rival Ben Franklin.Â
Sounds interesting - but then, so does the Newman Energy Machine that generates gigawatts of energy from a flashlight battery...see http://www.josephnewman.com/ for some great videos...
 @OrcasThunder You know what the funny thing is about this scheme? He absolutely needs to have a battery attached to it. You know, it produces more energy than what it needs in the first place (so he claims). Why doesn't he just close the loop and let it self-perpetuate then?It's because it's a sham and he's robbing people with it.
 @Office Rug "It's because it's a sham and he's robbing people with it."
And he's been doing well with it for over 3 decades...
 @OrcasThunder  @Office Rug We have a great imitator, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer
@OrcasThunder ..videos are unavailable...but the joke is on me for even trying.
Perhaps there are those who don't want Thorium to succeed!! Big oil has a lot of friend's in high places.
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"Lochbaum says there are still dangers." & doesn't believe in the easter Bunny. Well, we take what we can get!
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The problem is Lochbaum hasn't apparently bothered to study why a couple of Nobel winners and hundreds of scientists & engineers determined decades ago that:Â a) reactors using liquid salt are inherently more efficient and safer than our present style of water-cooled, solid-fuelled machines, patented in 1946; and b) thta Thorium allows us to make fissile fuel inside a reactor, while producing many times less nuclear waste.
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 @DrAlexC Wow, I just read the article, and I'm surprised that I have never even heard of Thorium before. But of course, as is mentioned, we wanted to build bombs. I think this would be a great place to start the research again and see what we can do with it.       Best of luck.
I have been reading about thorium for several years and am convinced that it can be an important part of a plan for energy independence. The U.S. cannot afford to allow China and India to take the lead in developing this promising energy resource.Â
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 @pbs7mm Oil is not unlimited. You idiot.
 @pbs7mm Some of us like clean drinkable water and don't want to live in nation that would be a giant open pit mining facility. We're better than this. We put a couple people on the moon decades ago but what have we done since? Not much.
 @Blindman  @pbs7mm  And how to they get Uranium? Santa brings it? It floats to the surface like dead fish? They open pit mine for that crap too. But keep looking, I'm sure you'll come up with a real excuse eventually!
 @Blindman  @pbs7mm drinkable water you say?  The Liquid-Fluoride Thorium Reactor [LFTR] runs hot enough to desalinate seawater, as a side bennie. =)
Of course it could be great! But the do-gooders and environmentalists will no doubt kill the idea! It is the brainless idiots who have continued to cost us jobs.
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(See: http://www.investmentu.com/2011/September/thorium-the-future-of-nuclear-power.html)
China about to kick American asses!World Energy Map about to be radically altered, oil to become secondary to mass produced Thorium LFTR reactors in China.Pan Eurasian Alliances to become Empire in decades on Thorium electric power.All America has to bring to the table is a huge debt to China and Japan, and a bunch of 1940's, vacuum tube and slide-rule era patents and papers that amount to a high school physics program in Asia. America! You ass-holes dropped the ball long ago! Still using Imperial systems in a monolingual, mono cultural , Group-think American dream, as the world sails past you, like ships in the night.American Nuclear Establishment, busy defending sunk money, royalties, corporate interests, missed the mark, forsaking the national good, suppressing even the CANDU's, and Slow Pokes from Canada - now China builds them! Configured for old war heads, reactor wastes, and Thorium. Will the promised Thorium LFTR reactors prove as safe, as cheap(no expensive pressure domes needed) and as mass-producible as claimed? Will they be distributed to save transmission losses, transmission costs? Will coal in China eventually be eliminated? Oil be replaced by electric conveyances?Can U.S.A. compete in the world marketplaces with expensive foreign oil built products? Against cheaper thorium/electric built products?
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 @Bruce Miller I hate to say it, but that about sums it up. Maybe someday we can get our collective heads out of our...., well, you know whats.Â
 @Bruce Miller Just the nature of global politics. No one ever stays on top forever. Imperialism has killed every great society and we are no different. Not to late change but I doubt we will be the big dog in the future. The imperialism destroyed our economy as it does with every country that tries to spread itself too thin.
A shame thorium was never capitalized on. But when a country's emphasis is so heavy on making war, peaceful research falls by the wayside.
 @Blindman Blame technological lock-in. You can't use light water reactor waste to make bombs either, so why did those win out in the end?
 @Office Rug  @Blindman At the time they choose to go with fast breeder reactors that produces plutonium, not LWRs. Unfortunately when it was just a little step to be done the very interesting (not as much as LFTR, but quite) liquid sodium fast breeder reactor (called IFR) developed with billions of dollars and years of research, was canned by Clinton in the '90s officially for fear of proliferation!!
 @Alberto R.  @Blindman The MSRE project operated on a shoestring budget of about a billion to two billion dollars per year, whereas the liquid metal fast breeder had tens of billions devoted to it every year for a much longer period. The initiation and cancellation of the MSRE had little to do with weapons preference and more to do with the competing commercial reactor, the PWR. The MSR idea was clearly seen as a threat, especially when its chief engineer Alvin Weinberg questioned the safety of PWRs when advocating for the funding of an upscaled prototype MSR after the successes of the MSRE. For being concerned about safety, he was fired and the project cancelled.Alvin Weinberg was ironically the patent holder for the original PWR design used in the nuclear submarine. He was in the best position to question the design (he designed it in the first place) and you can bet it really ticked off the electric companies at the time who had already invested into and built numerous PWRs.
 @Office Rug  @Blindman Because war is the driving factor for so much of our technology. Cut 50% of the military budget. Put 25% of that in grants to public universities for peaceful research that is open sourced but patented. That way individuals could openly use the research but if a company wanted to take it and profit off of it they would have to pay a commission to the university that developed the product. Take the other 25% of the military budget and retrain and hire soldiers to help rebuild our infrastructure.
 @marvin  @Blindman  @Office Rug Yep and look what we've done to it. Turn it into a weapon. Start changing the military to what the constitution guaranteed it to be, a defensive military not an offensive one. Time to change our direction and head back towards peace.
 @Blindman  @Office Rug of course the budget for war enabled nuclear technology to begin with
I urge everyone to educate themselves on Thorium and LFTR technology. The benefits of transitioning to LFTR power generation are so far reaching but it will take a groundswell of public awareness and advocacy to push the US in that direction. The roadblocks are not insumountable technical issues, but misinformation and ignorance. Considering the amount of (our) money our government has spent subsidizing renewable energy sources for relatively modest return, a similar or even smaller investment could be made to bring a working commercial LFTR online in just a few years. You want less pollution? You want less greenhouse emissions? You want to get rid of our current nuclear waste? You want to eliminate foreign energy dependence? You want to see these changes in your lifetime? Let your representatives know that you want these things and demand they promote this proven technology. Google "the Thorium Problem" and watch the 29 minute video.
@None Like puppets listen to their audience. Care to tell us who the puppet masters are?
@alidifferent Yes, obviously no sane person can possibly be enthusiastic about nuclear power, the thing the media programmed everyone to hate. These people just have to be under the control of some insidious force. Do you understand the irony of the situation yet?
The Federal Government should spend billions bringing this technology to the mainstream, the tax refunds we give to oil, gas and coal would easily pay for this over 20 years.  Once it becomes viable for the commercial sector, channel that money to offer tax incentives in order to phase out aging decades old uranium reactors.  But the bigger problem is what will it power if cars and trucks still run on gasoline?  Battery technology needs an X-Prize to spur a breakthrough in innovation.Â
@kinison The high heat will be harnessed to produce ammonia (Haber process) and methanol (reduction of carbon monoxide). this can be used for vehicle fuels. :-)Â
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Next question I would have is what about charging them up? Sure you can store more, but if your methods are the same for delivering the energy, it would take longer to fill it up wouldn't it? Would you be able to elaborate on charging times? Also, there could be potential strain on the electrical network given extra demand for charging vehicles.
 @n9078jk4  @kinison I'm a battery chemist by trade and these will probably revolutionize transportation once they hit. Their energy density is massive. The bottleneck to their usage is reversibility and avoiding degradation.
Interesting but the US still has a vast stockpile of U-235 and PU-239 left over from he cold war that doesn't have to be mined at all. We are already running US reactors on fuel made from decommisioned Soviet nuclear weapons. The Russians have the right idea..use we we got first.
 @I Like Meat You're not using nuclear at it's full potential when you just "burn" stuff with it. The true potential of nuclear lies in transmutation.Nuclear reactions that produce an excess amount of neutrons can be used to produce more fuel than is fissioned in the first place. That's how we made most of the plutonium we have now in our bombs. This type of pseudo-catalysis happens in both the U-238 and Th-232 fuel cycles. U-238 turns into Pu-239 and is subsequently fissioned using two neutrons total, while producing a little over 2.5 neutrons. Th-232 is transmuted into U-233 and subsequently fissioned, producing over 2.3 neutrons total at the cost of 2 neutrons as well.This allows you to use precious fissile U-235 and Pu-239 to start up nuclear fuel cycles that can be sustained on extremely common fertile isotopes like Th-232 (common as lead, 9-13 ppm abundance in the crust) and U-238 (99.3% of all natural uranium, 3-4 ppm abundance in the crust). It also allows you to eventually recoup the initial fissile starter fuel as an excess of fuel produced by the abundance of neutrons.There is a problem however, and that's the nuclear bomb.Producing an excess of fissile material is, understandably, a ridiculous proliferation threat. However there are some major hurdles that need to be surpassed if you want to take nuclear reactor stuff and put it in a bomb. For Pu-239, its the unwanted accompanying isotopes of plutonium that make it too "dirty" to be useful in weapons, notably Pu-240 which absorbs most of the neutrons produced in nuclear detonations, AND prematurely sets the weapon off if its concentration is too high (15%+ is considered "demon core" levels of dangerous). It also requires an implosion device comprised of machined high-explosives (!!!), usually cut and ground smooth roboticaly in a blast dome a few miles away from the operators.With U-233, taking it out of a reactor is in itself a death sentence. U-232 is always produced with U-233, and is the precursor to a number of very strong gamma emitters, strong enough to be detectable from space. There are ways to avoid producing the U-232 but it requires a large stockpile of fuel and the required illegal equipment is kind of easy to spot by watchdogs. Finally, you need an implosion device to using U-233 in a bomb as well, and it needs to be bigger than that of Pu-239 thanks to U-233 having a critical mass roughly 4 times that of Pu-239.All in all, if we play it smart, we can make full use of our weapons-grade material in peaceful power-generating reactors. We'll be getting rid of our weapons and solving our energy problems simultaneously, which I think everyone can get behind.
 @Office Rug Nice write up..sounds like you know more than even I do but you are correct in that the "fear" of reactor waste products being used for nuclear is greatly over stated. It simply doesn't work well..go ask the North Koreans about it. The fuel cycles for commercial power plants are simply too long and produce too much PU-240 and it's not cost effective to use 3-5% fuel grade light water reactors for the short burn process needed to produce weapons grade PU-239. I'm not worried about it.
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I am worried about Iran's new IR-40 heavy water reactor near Arak which is due to come online anytime now and is designed for the short burn process using 20% grade fuel. They have no legitimate business with that thing and the fact that they have over 20 anti-aircraft emplacements around it (go check it out on Google Earth) proves their deceitful intent.
 @I Like Meat Well, the Iranians get their nuclear reactors sabotaged roughly twice a month, I think they have every reason to go "Screw you guys we're gonna rub it in your faces now". The whole Iranian situation is aggravated by their insane presidency and Israel, which is equally insane (and they have nukes, go figure). The only reason the US is involved is because Israel roped them into it.
 @Office Rug  @I Like Meat Wow......I guess you stayed at a Holiday Inn last night? I have never heard of it before, but I am intrigued to say the least. I guess I will have to do a little research on this subject.
 @Susabelle  @I Like Meat I encourage anyone who's interested to read up on it. Wikipedia is a good place to start. This video and its lecture series provide an excellent detailed history into the makings of the nuclear bomb, and how some rogue states might make their own: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BHdsjo-NR4It's important to understand both what goes into the bomb side and what goes into the reactor side of nuclear tech, so we can avoid the bomb to the best of our ability while embracing nuclear for peaceful purposes.
You've obviously never heard of cobalt-thorium G.
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Cobalt thorium G has a radioactive halflife of ninety three years. If you take, say, fifty H-bombs in the hundred megaton range and jacket them with cobalt thorium G, when they are exploded they will produce a doomsday shroud. A lethal cloud of radioactivity which will encircle the earth for ninety three years!
@wsmith_84 At least put quotes around your statement when they're not your own thoughts. Plagiarism at it's finest.
 @thetruthhurts Ditto.
 @wsmith_84 Doctor Strangelove, nice.That's the cobalt bomb by the way. It takes plain ordinary cobalt-59, found in nature, and uses it in a bomb to enhance its fallout. Cobalt-59 is transmuted into Cobalt-60 upon detonation and absorption of neutrons, and is subsequently squattered in the fallout. The Cobalt-60 decays into Nickel-60, which is a very strong gamma emitter.No such bombs have ever been built and the gravity of their effectiveness was considered poor. They also don't use thorium.
In the end, we have to find a way to move forward with energy. Americans demand it. Every facet of our life depends on it from our smart phones, computers, iPads, Kindles, TVs, game consoles, vehicles, household appliances, etc. I don't know if any of us truly fathom how depend  we are to energy. We can probably argue we are slaves to it. We will drop what we are doing and go home if our cellphone dies and we don't have a charger handy.Â
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In the end, there has to be a trade off. Either we want energy or we don't. We aren't in a place to scale up with Solar and fit all our homes with solar panels. Oil and coal are dirty, hydro kills fishes, wind kills birds, and so on. Eventually we'll have to choose energy or no-energy.Â
 @John Gault All the severe storms (hurricanes) keep reminding us what it's like to go without power. They even have "hurricane parties" now to pass the time in a storm. More people will be buying back up generators. But most of us don't need to ask. Given a choice of cutting back on electricity or remaining the same most will choose remaining the same.
Frankly, I just don't see the advantages of thorium reactors. It's all very well to claim that they're safer than conventional (uranium-fueled) nuclear reactors, but that's not saying much. They're certainly less cost-efficient than renewables when you factor in all the costs of operating them safely.
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The elephant in the room is always, what do you do with the radioactive waste? Until there's a solution to this most basic problem, any form of nuclear energy is doomed to failure. Thorium is no exception.
 @Sutekh The WASTE! That's the huge problem that Molten Salt Reactors or Liquid Floride Thorium Reactors really solve for us while making actual use of the high level radioactive waste of the light water uranium reactors that is so hard to dispose of.Â
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http://www.thoriumenergycheaperthancoal.com/
The really great thing is how much of the fuel gets used. Near all of it. The little left over is so small
a single persons lifetime use would fit in a coke can. If you take the soot and radioactive stuff from burning coal you would get thousands of times more waste per persons lifetime
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 @Sutekh What do you do with the waste?  Mix it with sand and concrete and store the radioactive blocks in a convenient chunk of desert. Someplace in Nevada would probably work well.  The radiation would be confined to one small area, and the materiel would be easily available once our grandchildren figure out a use for it.
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 @Sutekh How do you know they are "certainly" less cost efficient than renewables? Renewable energy is pretty costly, not to mention intermittent. A reactor that does not need so strict safety measures as current ones, while still providing reliable power 24/7 could very well be far more economical.
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Proposed thorium molten salt reactors (LFTRs) do not produce any long-lived waste, and in fact can consume nuclear waste from traditional reactors as fuel.
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