Some top charter school organizations eye Wash. state

SEATTLE (AP) - Some of the most successful charter school organizations in the nation say they would like to open schools in Washington state if voters approve the charter initiative on the November ballot.
Rocketship Education, which runs some of the top performing elementary schools in California's low-income areas, would love to expand to Washington state, said Kristoffer Haines, vice president of national development for the seven-school organization started in San Jose, Calif., in 2006.
"We're certainly interested and excited," Haines said.
He added, however, that the process to start a new school takes time. So even if Washington voters decide to allow up to 40 public charter schools to open during the next five years, the first Rocketship schools probably couldn't open in the state until 2016 or 2017, after a thorough process, including approval by Washington authorities.
Haines, who lives in Corvalis, Ore., and was asked to look over Washington's initiative before it was proposed for the ballot, said he has had his eye on the Seattle-Tacoma area for a long time.
Initiative 1240 would allow the independent public schools to be established in Washington state for the first time. Voters have rejected the idea three other times, in 1996, 2000 and 2004.
Under the terms of the initiative, any nonprofit organization could start a charter school in Washington if their plan is approved by either a new statewide commission or a local school board that has been authorized by the state school board to approve charter schools.
The schools would need to be free and open to all students just like traditional public schools. They would receive public funding based on student enrollment, just like other schools. But public charter schools would be exempt from some state regulations, including some of the rules regarding hiring and firing teachers.
The Washington initiative was based on a model law created by the National Alliance for Public Charter Schools, said Todd Ziebarth, the advocacy organization's vice president for state advocacy and support. He feels it would attract successful charter organizations from other states.
Another charter organization keeping a close eye on Washington's election is Los Angeles-based Green Dot Public Schools. Green Dot, which focuses on middle and high schools in low income areas, is just starting to expand outside of Los Angeles but has yet to find a good fit on the West Coast.
The key for Green Dot would be making sure they had enough dollars to open and run schools in Washington and that the state wants to work with them, said Marco Petruzzi, president and chief executive officer.
"We would want the state to work with us and not be in the situation of being intruders," Petruzzi said, adding that he isn't intimately knowledgeable about Washington's charter schools initiative.
Green Dot, which has about 10,000 students enrolled it its 18 schools, brags about its graduation rate (85 percent in 2011) and the college acceptance rate for its graduates (91 percent in 2011).
Petruzzi said the earliest his organization could open a school in Washington, if everything is right, would be 2014.
Charter schools usually supplement their budget with foundation dollars and one of the biggest donors has been Seattle's Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Although the charter organizations said they wouldn't be enticed by the possibility of being in Gates Foundation's home town, Ziebarth didn't agree.
Aspire Public Schools, one of the largest charter management organizations with more than 30 schools and 12,000 students served, would also consider expansion into Washington state if the new law set up funding formulas and access to facilities in a fair way, said CEO James Wilcox.
Aspire, which also focuses on low-income students from its California base, has another requirement before moving to a new region: they want to partner with local school districts, not compete with them, Wilcox said.
"We're not really interested in going and fighting with the local school system," he said.
Wilcox mentioned the Los Angeles Unified School District as a good example of what districts can do to use charters as part of the mix to help make sure every kid has access to a great school.
"L.A. does some really innovative things that I'd like to see in lots of other places," he said.
The Washington initiative would make charter operators eligible for state matching funds for school construction, and they would have first dibs to rent or buy public school buildings that are not being used by the district in which the new school is located.
A conversion charter school, which is set up by a school district to take the place of an existing public school whose students have been failing to meet state education standards, would be able to use the school's existing building without paying rent to the district, according to the initiative.
Some other successful charter organizations who are not currently interested in Washington include Alliance College-Ready Public Schools and KIPP Public Charter Schools in California and New York's Achievement First.
Ziebarth said Washington state could have an opportunity to really make a difference with charters by opening new schools designed address the state's unique challenges, such as programs that focus on closing the achievement gap for Native American kids.
"The initiative creates the space for people to come forward and offer up some new and innovative things," he said.
Rocketship Education, which runs some of the top performing elementary schools in California's low-income areas, would love to expand to Washington state, said Kristoffer Haines, vice president of national development for the seven-school organization started in San Jose, Calif., in 2006.
"We're certainly interested and excited," Haines said.
He added, however, that the process to start a new school takes time. So even if Washington voters decide to allow up to 40 public charter schools to open during the next five years, the first Rocketship schools probably couldn't open in the state until 2016 or 2017, after a thorough process, including approval by Washington authorities.
Haines, who lives in Corvalis, Ore., and was asked to look over Washington's initiative before it was proposed for the ballot, said he has had his eye on the Seattle-Tacoma area for a long time.
Initiative 1240 would allow the independent public schools to be established in Washington state for the first time. Voters have rejected the idea three other times, in 1996, 2000 and 2004.
Under the terms of the initiative, any nonprofit organization could start a charter school in Washington if their plan is approved by either a new statewide commission or a local school board that has been authorized by the state school board to approve charter schools.
The schools would need to be free and open to all students just like traditional public schools. They would receive public funding based on student enrollment, just like other schools. But public charter schools would be exempt from some state regulations, including some of the rules regarding hiring and firing teachers.
The Washington initiative was based on a model law created by the National Alliance for Public Charter Schools, said Todd Ziebarth, the advocacy organization's vice president for state advocacy and support. He feels it would attract successful charter organizations from other states.
Another charter organization keeping a close eye on Washington's election is Los Angeles-based Green Dot Public Schools. Green Dot, which focuses on middle and high schools in low income areas, is just starting to expand outside of Los Angeles but has yet to find a good fit on the West Coast.
The key for Green Dot would be making sure they had enough dollars to open and run schools in Washington and that the state wants to work with them, said Marco Petruzzi, president and chief executive officer.
"We would want the state to work with us and not be in the situation of being intruders," Petruzzi said, adding that he isn't intimately knowledgeable about Washington's charter schools initiative.
Green Dot, which has about 10,000 students enrolled it its 18 schools, brags about its graduation rate (85 percent in 2011) and the college acceptance rate for its graduates (91 percent in 2011).
Petruzzi said the earliest his organization could open a school in Washington, if everything is right, would be 2014.
Charter schools usually supplement their budget with foundation dollars and one of the biggest donors has been Seattle's Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Although the charter organizations said they wouldn't be enticed by the possibility of being in Gates Foundation's home town, Ziebarth didn't agree.
Aspire Public Schools, one of the largest charter management organizations with more than 30 schools and 12,000 students served, would also consider expansion into Washington state if the new law set up funding formulas and access to facilities in a fair way, said CEO James Wilcox.
Aspire, which also focuses on low-income students from its California base, has another requirement before moving to a new region: they want to partner with local school districts, not compete with them, Wilcox said.
"We're not really interested in going and fighting with the local school system," he said.
Wilcox mentioned the Los Angeles Unified School District as a good example of what districts can do to use charters as part of the mix to help make sure every kid has access to a great school.
"L.A. does some really innovative things that I'd like to see in lots of other places," he said.
The Washington initiative would make charter operators eligible for state matching funds for school construction, and they would have first dibs to rent or buy public school buildings that are not being used by the district in which the new school is located.
A conversion charter school, which is set up by a school district to take the place of an existing public school whose students have been failing to meet state education standards, would be able to use the school's existing building without paying rent to the district, according to the initiative.
Some other successful charter organizations who are not currently interested in Washington include Alliance College-Ready Public Schools and KIPP Public Charter Schools in California and New York's Achievement First.
Ziebarth said Washington state could have an opportunity to really make a difference with charters by opening new schools designed address the state's unique challenges, such as programs that focus on closing the achievement gap for Native American kids.
"The initiative creates the space for people to come forward and offer up some new and innovative things," he said.
Online charter schools (Insight & Giant Campus) are already here and they are taught by non-union teachers. They are competing with Washington Virtual Academies and Internet Academy that are taught by unionized teachers. What's the difference? Union teachers have limited class sizes and can offer a better education whereas non-union teachers are maxed with students and a high number of classes. Too many students means that a teacher is spread to thin. Why the non-union schools are allowed to do this is beyond me? Make a choice go with WAVA, Internet Academy (Federal Way, Columbia Academy or any school that uses teachers from a school district.
Wife and I have discussed this and our kids when we have them will be attending private schools. Public school is littered with over flowing classrooms and not enough teachers. Private schools that parents pay for at least are expected to get results for your child and generally get children more teacher time...it is either that or homeschool
The evidence is pretty clear that if you really care about your kids education, you home school them. But most parents just won't make the commitment to their kids.
Charter schools aren't such a bad idea. At this point any thing's worth a shot .
Religion is not science. It can't be proven so it should be taught as such. And again if you're going to allow christian theories in the class room then you have to allow them all. Do parents really want satanism taught in schools?
"They would receive public funding based on student enrollment, just like other schools. But public charter schools would be exempt from some state regulations, including some of the rules regarding hiring and firing teachers." Â Â Â Â If I'm understanding this correctly, these charter schools would still receive our tax money, just like schools do now. The only difference is that they'd be less regulated?
 @evenifitkm It's not a simple as that. They are owned by corporations. A corporation is in busines to make money. Follow the logic.
I'm new to this whole charter schools thing, btw...
Having charter schools is well overdue in this State. I've lived where they have these schools and they really promote the underpriveledged kids talent. The kids who attend these schools are so proud and get a chance to excel. I'm not sure why these schools have not been allowed here. If it's because of the unions or a parents group of non gifted children, then shame on both of these groups. This is an opportunity for some of the poorest talented kids to get a chance in life. The rich kids already get this opportunity through their private schools. Why not give the less fortunates the opportunity?
 @heyjoe I think It's because at core, we don't trust corporations. And corporate schools in the public system is just a little to Kubrick for us.Â
Not a good reason. There is a problem with what we do now. It's systemic....like a disease. Open your mind to something.
 @NKato  @heyjoe I myself don't see my kid as an asset on a balance sheet. And don't kid yourself, just like the privatized prisons, they only care about their bottom line. The kids are just "product".
 @heyjoe It is too much like privatizing social security. I won't have my kid's education tank because the stock market fell.Â
 @heyjoe I'm open to it. These charter school organizations sound like they're really serious about investing in the future of America's youth.
It certainly wouldn't hurt to give it a try, our education system doesn't seem to be working all that great no matter how much money is poured into it. I think the biggest problem any of these schools will have opening here is
their ability to get rid of teachers that don't perform up to standard and I don't think the unions will stand for that.
That is unless of course this really is about "giving the children of Wa. State a better education".
 @Jatok The education system in Washington works quite well--for the Democrats and the union. Students and skilled teachers--not so much.
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Encouraging alternatives to public schools is long past due. I hope the Democrats and their helpers in the Washington media don't manage to scare voters away from charter schools.
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@LockesChild I'm inclined to think the unions will have their way whereas this issue is concerned and I think that since it's been rejected three times there's a lot of people out there that for whatever reason are totally unwilling to give this a chance to work. If it benefits the kids I would think that would be the ideal. What we have had for the past 30 years sure isn't working and I think it's time to start getting a better education for the kids. We've had enough "fixes" tried over the years and we still have the same end result, this is a whole new concept about education and there is a choice for those who are tired of the same ole same ole.
The key word here is online. I still think if it comes to actual classroom teaching they will. They haven't taken a stand yet because it still hasn't been voted into being. We can always hope that their will be a "choice" for people in the future.
 @Jatok  @LockesChild The WEA has taken no stance on non-union online schools like Insight and Giant Campus.
 @LockesChild  @Jatok If the public school system employed the teaching methods of some of the private schools, we would probably have a lot better students.
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But Admin has been timid in implementing this. There are a few model schools, but change comes slow. I myself will not be selling out for a quick fix that only has about a 50/50 chance of success.
@Audio Cat @LockesChild  For the past 30 years they have been pretty much doing the same thing in our schools. Now, I know change comes slow but in this case that's a lot of generations of children without a good
education and what about them? This is a serious issue and to me I would rather see the choices made that would benefit the children the most. I'm not sure where the 50/50 chance came from, but even that's
a better percentage compared to what's going on now.
Awesome! It will be wonderful to have choices and higher standards.
Its worth a shot. Its wrong to call it non profit though. Certainly a lot of people are going to make a lot of money off of these schools. I think its fine to teach creationism in school as an academic study. Shouldn't be required. But if they allow one religion in they have to allow them all.
 @Blindman Religion has no place in our schools except for social studies/history.
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If you want creationism to be taught then my feeling is that you should retreat to the compound and home school.
 @Blindman Brothers and Sisters put your tax deductible donations in the little basket. Churches and government should not mix. No to public funded church schools and tax deductions for donations to churches.
@rockguy @Blindman I don't think they should teach evolution either. All evidence is inconclusive, yet they still teach it. Evolution is taught with incomplete evidence and is biased. Right now, the scientific community relies on, "If you say it over and over again, people will believe it." Kinda like global warming.
 @777  @rockguy  @Blindman Wow. And you really expect people to respect this opinion? Outside of the compound I mean....
 @777  @rockguy  @Blindman Gravity is also a theory - they still teach that, too.
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@rockguy @Blindman I going to guess you're not affilliated with a church of any kind with that perspective.
Will they be teaching creationism and stork theory?
 @IslandAtheist stork theory... ha ha... I like that.
So this is what Washington is told is good for them???
The link from College to K-12 theft is on the rise
Some critics have called for-profit education 'subprime education', in an analogy with the subprime mortgages bubble at the heart of the Great Recession â finding uninformed borrowers and loading them with debt they cannot afford, then securitizing and passing the loan onto third party investors. Short Seller Steve Eisman (famous for being a character in Michael Lewis' The Big Short) has described the accreditation situation regarding for-profits like ITT as follows: "The scandal here is exactly akin to the rating agency role in subprime securitizations.
When they load up the people with debit then sell the loans to third party investors LIKE US IN OUR 401K's.
Then when they default make the government pay it back ( All of us )
Mitt is buying up student loan companys as we speak......Â
Privatize the entire educational system to allow for competition. Higher quality will result along with lower costs.
Lower costs for who? Â
 @Anselm Praise bet to the lord, hallo hoo ya. Pure BS.Â
If competition is good for businesses then it is good for schools as well.
 @Furd So you are a Progressive?
We've rejected it 3 other times, & we'll reject it again. Good luck with that.
Yeah... and you know the religious schools wanting your tax dollars will pop up everywhere. Â
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I will never vote to have my tax dollars handed over to Mormon, Christian or Muslim private indoctrination centers disguised as schools. Â
 @Andrew Bush I have a hard time having MY tax dollars being handed over to SCHOOLS disguised as schools. If these charters are a bad idea, they will deservedly die off. Only one way to find out...
 @Sid Vishess  @Andrew Bush Ever the optimist!
 @Andrew Bush If you think the government-run public schools are not indoctrination centers then you had better think again.
 @Furd Stick to homeschooling then. For the record, though, I don't recall my high school graduating senior class being a horde of freshly-converted liberal atheists.Â
If you truly think they are indoctrination centers then perhaps you should stick to homeschooling. Â
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I remember school. Â I remember learning. Â I don't recall being indoctrinated. Â Then again... Â I went to public schools. Â
@Furd @Andrew Bush AMEN!
 @Furd  @Andrew Bush Cause science is fake....
WTF?????