State lawmakers are about $1 billion apart on education reform

SEATTLE (AP) - About a billion dollars separates Senate Republicans from House Democrats on how they believe the Legislature should respond to last year's Supreme Court ruling on money for Washington schools.
But lawmakers from both parties say the differences are not so far that they won't be able to work out a compromise before the Legislature goes home this spring.
"We will walk out of here with an agreement," said Rep. Steve Litzow, R-Mercer Island, who is the chair of the Senate Education Committee. "Probably nobody is going to be happy with it. But we will definitely have an agreement."
Lawmakers from both parties are already working behind the scenes to craft a compromise. Litzow said the hard part is not figuring out how to pay for the reforms mentioned in Supreme Court's decision on a school funding lawsuit known as the McCleary case.
"The harder part is probably finding out how to fund non-education stuff," said Litzow, R-Mercer Island.
Lawmakers don't agree - even within their own parties - about what to pay for first, where to get the money and how much of a down payment toward an estimated $4.5 billion the state will likely add to K-12 education dollars by 2018.
Rep. Ross Hunter, who as chair of the Ways and Means Committee is the House's top budget writers, believes Republicans and Democrats are further apart on these issue than Litzow thinks.
Hunter, D-Medina, estimates this year's down payment on the McCleary decision will total $1.7 billion.
Litzow says they're looking for between $500,000 and $1.5 billion. Rep. Gary Alexander, R-Olympia, estimates lawmakers need to add about $1 billion this year toward a $3 billion total by 2018.
The Washington State Budget & Policy Center agrees with the $4.5 billion estimate, but says the full bill will cost close to $8 billion when all employee expense are transferred back from local to state dollars.
Last year, the Supreme Court ruled the state isn't meeting its constitutional obligation to amply pay for basic education. In the past decade, education spending has gone from close to 50 percent to just above 40 percent of the state budget, despite the fact that some education spending is protected by the constitution.
State lawmakers have in recent years been dealing with large budget deficits, and last year cut $300 million in state funding. The Supreme Court has given the Legislature until 2018 to fix the problem, but wants to see progress every year until then.
Hunter said the disagreements aren't just about money.
"I don't think we fundamentally agree on the responsibility," he said.
He said some of the billion dollar difference between the Senate Republicans and House Democrats comes from Republican lawmakers who want to avoid the part of the court ruling that deals with local levy money paying for things that are a state responsibility, like administrator salaries.
For example, some school districts use local levy dollars make up the difference between what the state gives them for principal or superintendent salaries and what they need to pay in order to attract good candidates.
Hunter and the lawyers representing the coalition of school districts, parents, educators and community groups that brought the McCleary lawsuit interpret the Supreme Court ruling to mean the state needs to stop depending on local dollars to make up for basic education expenses.
If you're serious about funding basic education, you can't allow local school districts to depend on local dollars, Hunter said.
Rep. Gary Alexander, R-Olympia, said his party is not ready to agree on what should be done about local levies and he says some of the Legislature's reform plan is just teacher and administrator raises disguised as education reform.
He opposes plans proposed by Hunter and others to replace local levies with a statewide education property tax, but would like to do away with grandfathering provisions of current levy law that let some districts raise more money from school levies than others.
The Supreme Court has ordered a yearly progress report on McCleary and will have the final say on whether the Legislature is doing the work the court ordered.
"The court's pretty clear with their interpretation of the constitution. I think we need to comply," Hunter said.
He said he was still working on ideas about how to pay for the increase in education dollars. Lawmakers won't be making their budget proposals until after March state revenue forecasts are posted.
"We're going to fight about this," Hunter said. "It's a $32 billion budget. It's not a trivial undertaking."
Sen. Christine Rolfes has proposed a bill that sets a plan for implementing the education reforms agreed to by previous lawmakers - from all-day kindergarten to smaller class sizes and an expanded high school day. She said she has met with Litzow to talk about McCleary and predicts both parties will get to the table eventually to work out a compromise.
"I'm hoping that the gulf isn't as big as it looks," Rolfes said.
She expects some political posturing and debate, but adds, "At a certain point the parties have to get over themselves."
But lawmakers from both parties say the differences are not so far that they won't be able to work out a compromise before the Legislature goes home this spring.
"We will walk out of here with an agreement," said Rep. Steve Litzow, R-Mercer Island, who is the chair of the Senate Education Committee. "Probably nobody is going to be happy with it. But we will definitely have an agreement."
Lawmakers from both parties are already working behind the scenes to craft a compromise. Litzow said the hard part is not figuring out how to pay for the reforms mentioned in Supreme Court's decision on a school funding lawsuit known as the McCleary case.
"The harder part is probably finding out how to fund non-education stuff," said Litzow, R-Mercer Island.
Lawmakers don't agree - even within their own parties - about what to pay for first, where to get the money and how much of a down payment toward an estimated $4.5 billion the state will likely add to K-12 education dollars by 2018.
Rep. Ross Hunter, who as chair of the Ways and Means Committee is the House's top budget writers, believes Republicans and Democrats are further apart on these issue than Litzow thinks.
Hunter, D-Medina, estimates this year's down payment on the McCleary decision will total $1.7 billion.
Litzow says they're looking for between $500,000 and $1.5 billion. Rep. Gary Alexander, R-Olympia, estimates lawmakers need to add about $1 billion this year toward a $3 billion total by 2018.
The Washington State Budget & Policy Center agrees with the $4.5 billion estimate, but says the full bill will cost close to $8 billion when all employee expense are transferred back from local to state dollars.
Last year, the Supreme Court ruled the state isn't meeting its constitutional obligation to amply pay for basic education. In the past decade, education spending has gone from close to 50 percent to just above 40 percent of the state budget, despite the fact that some education spending is protected by the constitution.
State lawmakers have in recent years been dealing with large budget deficits, and last year cut $300 million in state funding. The Supreme Court has given the Legislature until 2018 to fix the problem, but wants to see progress every year until then.
Hunter said the disagreements aren't just about money.
"I don't think we fundamentally agree on the responsibility," he said.
He said some of the billion dollar difference between the Senate Republicans and House Democrats comes from Republican lawmakers who want to avoid the part of the court ruling that deals with local levy money paying for things that are a state responsibility, like administrator salaries.
For example, some school districts use local levy dollars make up the difference between what the state gives them for principal or superintendent salaries and what they need to pay in order to attract good candidates.
Hunter and the lawyers representing the coalition of school districts, parents, educators and community groups that brought the McCleary lawsuit interpret the Supreme Court ruling to mean the state needs to stop depending on local dollars to make up for basic education expenses.
If you're serious about funding basic education, you can't allow local school districts to depend on local dollars, Hunter said.
Rep. Gary Alexander, R-Olympia, said his party is not ready to agree on what should be done about local levies and he says some of the Legislature's reform plan is just teacher and administrator raises disguised as education reform.
He opposes plans proposed by Hunter and others to replace local levies with a statewide education property tax, but would like to do away with grandfathering provisions of current levy law that let some districts raise more money from school levies than others.
The Supreme Court has ordered a yearly progress report on McCleary and will have the final say on whether the Legislature is doing the work the court ordered.
"The court's pretty clear with their interpretation of the constitution. I think we need to comply," Hunter said.
He said he was still working on ideas about how to pay for the increase in education dollars. Lawmakers won't be making their budget proposals until after March state revenue forecasts are posted.
"We're going to fight about this," Hunter said. "It's a $32 billion budget. It's not a trivial undertaking."
Sen. Christine Rolfes has proposed a bill that sets a plan for implementing the education reforms agreed to by previous lawmakers - from all-day kindergarten to smaller class sizes and an expanded high school day. She said she has met with Litzow to talk about McCleary and predicts both parties will get to the table eventually to work out a compromise.
"I'm hoping that the gulf isn't as big as it looks," Rolfes said.
She expects some political posturing and debate, but adds, "At a certain point the parties have to get over themselves."
I watched this Documentary called 'The 99 Percent' it was made by a family member of Johnson and Johnson a very wealthy family! on Netflix last night... it raised a very visible and clear point about the education system.... be your own judge and watch it and think about it....
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What was expressed in there was how the 'extremely wealthy' will go into a place and develop it to attract more wealthy to the area... but by making the area grow too fast the poorer of the community will slowly be pressed out of the area... making schools in that area worse and worse will get the lowers to move to areas where they can still survive before they are ultimately removed from the area - their example presented was Chicago, but I do see this happening right here in our state in the Lynnwood - Woodinville - Bothell - Kirkland - Bellevue - Redmond - Renton corridor... the writing is on the wall and when I listened to this I took a step back and looked at this very point... to ignore the connection that the extremely wealthy want those who are at the bottom to go elsewhere...Â
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Other cases about Warren Buffet being so generous of donating half his fortune but he infact disowned one of his grand daughters who was in this video I watched was a real shocker especially when I fact checked it, this was not a dribbling of some random person... it was a real eye opener... but it also calls very strong attention to the necessity that people have to pursue to improve themselves if they are the lowest of the low and do nothing they will inevitably be there and so are their kids... My wife and I are pretty fortunate and we are comfortably providing for ourselves and I am climbing the ladder as much as I can because I do see the writing on the wall that the only person that will take care of me and my family when we get old and are unable to continue to work will be ourselves...
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...Watch it and make your own determination... but the facts and visible evidence is there all around us!
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What exactly happens in 2018 if the legislature ignores the court trying to step in and take over their job? NOTHING...the Supreme Court has no power to force the government to tax and spend.Â
Oh, what the heck, our Washington State Legislature should do what our federal government does. Kick the can down the road. Challenge the judiciary and the will of the people. Make for more Seattle Times newspaper headlines. Â
""""""Just cut the over paid salary's they receive and if they want to strike, let them, that will take away the Supreme Court's mandates......."""""""""" Â
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Sounds like a good idea to me...
 @dale50000 Who receives these supposed overpaid salaries?
End corporate subsidies to Boeing, Microsoft, etc. Â Let them pay their fair share of taxes!!! Â That should help pay some bills.Â
 @HallandOates and watch them move their plants and businesses to Texas like is happening everywhere else. Pull your head out!
 @sometimesright  @HallandOates Let them go! If you or a corporation don't want to pay their fare share of taxes, GET OUT!!Â
Why do our legislatures come up with all the stupid bills that no one wants yet cant spend the time on the important ones? Oh, the bill about changing the words like woman or fireman etc.. what a bunch of morons we have in our legislature.
"I'm hoping that the gulf isn't as big as it looks," Rolfes said.She expects some political posturing and debate, but adds, "At a certain point the parties have to get over themselves."
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In other words; how can we get together and screw the citizens as much as possible while not doing our jobs?
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Privatize schools -- the only real solution and it will save taxpayers billions plus result in better edcuation.
 @Thedudeabides Yep, it's not like the private sector had any hand in the near collapse of our economy.....
 @thebigteacher If government had kept their fingers out of the home loan process our economy wouldn't have collapsed!
@sometimesright @thebigteacher You can't really believe that can you?
 @Thedudeabides After seeing how our government has screwed thing up any attempt is better than staying the course.  At least we would get to tell all the over paid administrators to go out and find a real job.
First and foremost....Give Us Choice!! Second maybe education costs wouldn't be so high if taxpayers didn't pay100% of employee benefits when employee's only work 3.5 hours a day. That is just crazy.
 @FED__UP Please spend some time in a school before you spout off about things you know nothing about (this is where people like you say "I know a teacher", "My sister is a teacher", etc.).   Your ignorance is manifest. While the average teacher gets paid for 37.5 hours a week they put in an average of 50 hours. If it is so easy get your degrees (most have 2 and a MA), student teach, finish pro-cert and join us.
Ignorant, did you read my comment? Did I mention teachers? I was speaking of those who work in the kitchen, drive buses, assist in the classroom and work 3.5 hours A DAY or 17.5 hour A WEEK but still get full benefits and all the paid holideay's.
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@FED__UP Yes I did. You are ignorant. Your statement is ignorant. They get no paid holidays. They get time off without pay. Their checks are just stretched out over the month. They do not get full benefits. Their jobs are undervalued and their pay sucks.
 @thebigteacher This is where I will say it...my dad was a teacher for 40 years, my mother-in-law was a principal and teacher for 40 years, my brother and his wife are teachers, all three of my sisters are teachers. They all had and have it good! 50 hours a week...you are full of crap! My dad dropped us off at school and picked us up after practice everyday. He worked about 40 hours a week. If he did extra work, such as being the director for the musicals and plays, he was paid an extra stipend. He was home every night, weekend, holiday, vacations and all summer with us. My mother on the other hand did work 60+ hours a week and usually would go in to work on Sundays after church. I work 60+ hours a week. My little brother spends his summers fly fishing and golfing! I go join him for about 3 days when I can get a weekend off. At college, the people that went into the "education department" were the people who couldn't hack it in the real departments. People who teach are also the people who can't hack it in the real world where you have to get up at 4am, don't get home until 8pm and have to work weekends, holidays and only get 2 weeks of vacation a year!
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That perk of not working full time and full benefits are protected by the union. The public sector really should not have unions they are working for a government that can't fail and must provide service to the public the unions know this and that is where they get their power from.