Tank leaking high-level radioactive waste at Hanford

@dome200q   Because nothing reinforces outsourcing and unskilled labor like a grounded fleet of the biggest future asset!

I at least acknowledge the possibility of companies finding better working environments elsewhere.  You all seem to think its about one thing - Unions.  Dome:  Boeing isn't going anywhere.  You are so misguided and misinformed. North Carolina has already been a mistake to the company.  

You'll never understand.  But it has to do with smart, skilled labor found in the state you despise so much.  

@dome200q None of these rats are my members of my party. They are to far to the right for me.

Any strike Boeing endures is a strike that Boeing forced for no other reason then to exercise the late clause of their performance guarantees, ie: Acts of God or Labor Disputes. They simply put draconian offers on the table to trigger a strike and get their selves off the penalty clause of the contract. They have been doing that since the '60s and they cant survive without that tool. SC? They already went global, why stop with a bunch of inbred slack jawed no nothing idiots that always wanted a job doin sumthin.

Yes sir. I would gladly cut hedges for a living.  Anything rather than kneeling beneath the desk of the union boss for protection from the big bad floor manager.

@Heisenberg  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thank you for the laugh.  You have no idea what you are talking about.  Unions slowing down progress at cleanup so their kids have a job?  Is that all you got?  Based on what facts?   AHHAHAHAHAHA.  

You haven't worked there a day in your life.  You are another right wing anti-union mouthpiece, because...because...well, I have my theories.  

@Heisenberg A union is a group of people that work together in the same field. How are they to blame for the problems created in 1941 when the government chose to pollute the river with radiation?

Ponder that this week end or, while you do the boss's hedge.

@T_BONE_WALKER @Heisenberg You're shot in the dark guess is wrong.  You're also missing the point.  This is not an affront on all unions.  Hanford's unions are the problem.  Enjoy your weekend sir. 

@Heisenberg This wasn't a discussion, you attempted to tell me something I know more about from life then you'll ever know listening to rush limbaugh.

You probably worked there as a guard and couldn't handle working with men that work. These guys protect the work by covering the work and being the best at doing the work, there is no cheaper way to perform the work son, many tried and are broke.

@seattleways @Heisenberg Policy is not the problem.  Progress is.  Get the entitlement attitude out, and we'll make some progress.  Have a great weekend.

@Heisenberg @seattleways  I can play the game too!

Yes, I've worked there before and am intricately involved in the policy.  Unions have nothing to do with the policy decisions being made about the cleanup.  You are off base.  

Goodnight. 

@seattleways @Heisenberg  I'll agree to disagree and avoid talking down or insulting you.  The discussion was about Hanford. I've worked there for quite a while and have a first hand look at the problems.  Have you?  Have a good night. 

@Heisenberg  I feel sorry for you.  You've bought into the right wing noise machine's recent (3 years or so) target of delegitimizing unions and their fight for more equality in work conditions and pay.  

And voter fraud is a real concern, even with the proliferation of ACORN and community groups...right?  And Van Jones?  What a marxist!  And the list goes on....it's all the same stuff peddled to gullible people angry at their own life's condition and outcome.  Sorry, no offense.  I really do feel sorry for you.  

@T_BONE_WALKER @Heisenberg The discussion was about Hanford, and Detroit was used as a parallel, because Detroit is the land of entitlement, and it's broke.  Hanford is the land of Union entitlement, and it's effed up.  Like I said, if you haven't worked there...

@Heisenberg  Now you want to narrow it to hanford? What happened to detroit? 

You want a back yard journeyman carpenter doing the tig welding on that nuke plant steam pipe? Get out of here!

I think what were talking here is a right wing whacko that doesnt believe people have a right to eat.

Just what do you think GOP republicans do with Dem politicians? They collectively Bargain for the people they represent! The freedom to associate, the right to representation, is what this country was founded on and is being done everyday from the top on down to the bottom and labor has been negotiated since before Christ was around! What do you guys eat that makes you this stupid?

@Heisenberg  You mean we dont need unions to help prevent the deep water disasters or the upper branch of the Massey mine where 29 fathers were murdered through willful negligence? how about 11 fathers dead on a deep water well that exploded. In both cases willful negligence was in play and the men were too job scared to leave.

We are talking about Hanford here.  Let's focus.  Have you worked at Hanford?  It's a unique cookie for sure.  I have many friends in unions outside of Hanford, and they're hard workers.  The auto union isn't necessarily one of the unions with that good of a rep.  My buddies agree with me, and some even joke around about union politics.  "How many teamsters does it take to put in a light bulb?"  You answer "2".  They say, "4, you got a problem with that!?".  While I think it funny, the politics do exist.

You show me 5 non union guys that can remove and replace a flare stack and have every flange match existing pipe 100' in the air while fabricating it on the ground in less then 3 days. They got off early Wed while the Teamsters loaded tools gear and rigging and high tailed it for home.

@seattleways Unions once served a lofty goal.  They created the 5 day workweek, prevented child labor abuses, etc. etc.  However, the pendulum has swung, and massive corruption has created abuses now perpetrated by the unions.  As far as Hanford, their unions are unique.  Slowing down progress on the cleanup only ensures that their grand kids will have a job, just as their own grandparents did.  It's a self-perpetuating problem, and it's not a stretch to compare it to a welfare society.  There are also some that believe the State govt. being concerned with "leaks" etc.,  is insincere... that they're merely posturing. Never discount the power of money to corrupt, and 2B/yr will do it. 

@Heisenberg Detroit, like the rest of the US is in shambles due to outsourcing jobs and giving away that tax base and unfunded never ending war, thats all.

 I dont think you have any idea what a union is or what they do. Why are the some of richest men in the Northwest union contractors and non-union contractors are among the poorest?

%s You go look at this illustration of a crew of 5 union fitters and 2 Teamsters do in 3 days what 40 non union oil field workers would spend months doing with nothing more to show at the end of those months except dead injured workers and no flare stack. These guys can be sent by the employer thousands of mile to this work with no supervision and the only reports the employer hears is debts of gratitude. 

This quality of men is what you are kicking when you kick unions and I aint going to hear it. you're wrong or full fo BS. Sit back watch and tell me where you'll get that labor that is worth 10x the wage and benefit package. 

You dont have any idea what confidence you can have and the piles of money you can make with these men. Nobody else wants to let you in on the truth for a reason son.

zzzzzzzzzz  another poor soul on the fringe.  Yeah Heisenberg, Unions looking after the rights of their workers AND those trying to earn a working wage that aren't in unions.  Yeah, those are the true ills of society.  Isn't Hannity on right now?

@T_BONE_WALKER @Heisenberg Detriot was destroyed by progressive policies that attracted the slovenly with easy money and handouts.  It was one of Pres Johnson's poster child cities for his "Great Society" push.  Now they're riddled with crime, unemployment and strapped with debt due to the massive entitlement programs they've embraced.  Hanford is nothing more than a microcosm of a massive social program, fed by 2B in govt hadouts each year.  Early on, unions like HAMTC grappled onto the hind tit and have not let go since.  The unions have a feeling of entitlement since they are now deeply entrenched, and cannot be dislodged.

@T_BONE_WALKER @Heisenberg  The 3 nuke carriers were used as a comparison, to demonstrate the level of effort we can get for the money that's been sent to the waste treatment plant to date.  We can use another comparison, maybe San Fran Golden Gate bridges, it doesn't really matter.  The unions have entrenched themselves at Hanford, and have created an entitlement attitude since they cannot be dislodged.  We'd be better off to get rid of the union workers and hire people that demonstrate a desire to make a difference rather than pass the job on to their grandkids, as they already have done.