Thousands of pot fans rally at Seattle Hempfest
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SEATTLE (AP) - Tens of thousands of people descended on a waterfront park in Seattle Friday for the opening of what's billed as the nation's largest marijuana rally - an event that has a pressing political edge this year as Washington state's voters consider whether to legalize the fun use of pot for adults.
Colorado, Oregon and Washington already have medical marijuana laws. And all three also have legalization measures on the November ballot.
Washington's would allow sales of up to an ounce of dried marijuana at state-licensed stores and could bring the state nearly $2 billion in tax revenue over the next five years - if the federal government doesn't try to block the law from taking effect. Pot remains illegal under federal law.
Washington's measure, Initiative 502, also would prevent nearly 10,000 marijuana possession arrests every year in the state, proponents say.
"It looks like we're finally reaching a critical mass to end this critical mess," Hempfest director Vivian McPeak said as the festival began. "If I-502 passes, it'll be a historic moment."
Organizers expected at least 150,000 people at the three-day event. Thousands milled along the 1.5-mile long park under a blazing sun Friday afternoon, stopping at booths advertising colorful glass pipes, hemp clothing and medical marijuana dispensaries. Young women shouted at passersby to encourage them to obtain medical marijuana authorizations - "Are you legal yet?" - while other festival goers rested on driftwood logs, lighting joints and pipes.
Vendors hawked $2 bottles of water, but not just for hydration: "Ice water here! Get some ice water for your bong!"
Despite the pot-tolerant crowd, there was no consensus as to whether I-502 is the right thing for Washington's marijuana smokers.
The measure has garnered opposition from the medical cannabis community, and some say its driving-under-the-influence provisions are so strict that it could prevent them from driving at all.
Others say the measure doesn't go far enough because it wouldn't allow people to grow their own pot for recreational use, although medical patients still could; it doesn't contemplate the industrial growing of hemp; and it would not allow recreational use for those between 18 and 21.
Because of the split, Hempfest - now in its 21st year of advocating legalization - is taking no official position on the measure, something McPeak called "very painful and very awkward."
Alison Holcomb, campaign manager for the measure's sponsor, New Approach Washington, said she was disappointed, too.
"We've got a legalization measure on the ballot right now," Holcomb said. "Seattle Hempfest, which has been carrying the legalization banner for 21 years, ought to be celebrating."
Both sides of the debate were aired at the festival, as supporters and opponents set up tents and vied for the attention of potential voters.
At the No on I-502 tent, activist Arthur West said he's been attending Hempfest since the late 1990s and never imagined that he'd be here to oppose a legalization measure. But then, he and fellow activist Poppy Sidhu said they don't consider I-502 legalization at all.
"We're all for legalization, but legalization, for me, is being able to grow as much as I want and being able to walk down the street to Starbucks smoking my joint," Sidhu said.
Conner Michaels, 24, of Bellingham, approached with a thick, burning blunt in his hand and asked for a No on I-502 button.
"This is sick," he said. "I'm not going to be able to drive if this passes."
Medical marijuana dispensaries are largely also opposed, in part, because of the licensing requirements in the measure, said Brian Ray, the goateed, dreadlocked owner of One Love Collective, a dispensary in South Seattle. Many dispensaries are doing well under the current system, and there's no reason to rush into a legalization scheme that might be flawed, he said.
"It appears like it's going to shut down the entrepreneurial spirit of these small businesses," Ray said.
Breast cancer survivor Cindy Denny, 52, of Auburn, and her husband, Kerry Denny, had a different view as they surveyed the largely younger crowd. She said that she is still taking oral chemotherapy, and the marijuana helps her feel better. But when she first tried to obtain an authorization as required by state law, her chemo doctor wouldn't give her one because it remains illegal under federal law.
She said she had to go to a different clinic to find a doctor who would write her an authorization, and that hurdle might be too much for some patients.
"It's not working the way it is right now," added Kerry Denny, a retired Teamster. "You can regulate it and tax it like everything else."
Colorado, Oregon and Washington already have medical marijuana laws. And all three also have legalization measures on the November ballot.
Washington's would allow sales of up to an ounce of dried marijuana at state-licensed stores and could bring the state nearly $2 billion in tax revenue over the next five years - if the federal government doesn't try to block the law from taking effect. Pot remains illegal under federal law.
Washington's measure, Initiative 502, also would prevent nearly 10,000 marijuana possession arrests every year in the state, proponents say.
"It looks like we're finally reaching a critical mass to end this critical mess," Hempfest director Vivian McPeak said as the festival began. "If I-502 passes, it'll be a historic moment."
Organizers expected at least 150,000 people at the three-day event. Thousands milled along the 1.5-mile long park under a blazing sun Friday afternoon, stopping at booths advertising colorful glass pipes, hemp clothing and medical marijuana dispensaries. Young women shouted at passersby to encourage them to obtain medical marijuana authorizations - "Are you legal yet?" - while other festival goers rested on driftwood logs, lighting joints and pipes.
Vendors hawked $2 bottles of water, but not just for hydration: "Ice water here! Get some ice water for your bong!"
Despite the pot-tolerant crowd, there was no consensus as to whether I-502 is the right thing for Washington's marijuana smokers.
The measure has garnered opposition from the medical cannabis community, and some say its driving-under-the-influence provisions are so strict that it could prevent them from driving at all.
Others say the measure doesn't go far enough because it wouldn't allow people to grow their own pot for recreational use, although medical patients still could; it doesn't contemplate the industrial growing of hemp; and it would not allow recreational use for those between 18 and 21.
Because of the split, Hempfest - now in its 21st year of advocating legalization - is taking no official position on the measure, something McPeak called "very painful and very awkward."
Alison Holcomb, campaign manager for the measure's sponsor, New Approach Washington, said she was disappointed, too.
"We've got a legalization measure on the ballot right now," Holcomb said. "Seattle Hempfest, which has been carrying the legalization banner for 21 years, ought to be celebrating."
Both sides of the debate were aired at the festival, as supporters and opponents set up tents and vied for the attention of potential voters.
At the No on I-502 tent, activist Arthur West said he's been attending Hempfest since the late 1990s and never imagined that he'd be here to oppose a legalization measure. But then, he and fellow activist Poppy Sidhu said they don't consider I-502 legalization at all.
"We're all for legalization, but legalization, for me, is being able to grow as much as I want and being able to walk down the street to Starbucks smoking my joint," Sidhu said.
Conner Michaels, 24, of Bellingham, approached with a thick, burning blunt in his hand and asked for a No on I-502 button.
"This is sick," he said. "I'm not going to be able to drive if this passes."
Medical marijuana dispensaries are largely also opposed, in part, because of the licensing requirements in the measure, said Brian Ray, the goateed, dreadlocked owner of One Love Collective, a dispensary in South Seattle. Many dispensaries are doing well under the current system, and there's no reason to rush into a legalization scheme that might be flawed, he said.
"It appears like it's going to shut down the entrepreneurial spirit of these small businesses," Ray said.
Breast cancer survivor Cindy Denny, 52, of Auburn, and her husband, Kerry Denny, had a different view as they surveyed the largely younger crowd. She said that she is still taking oral chemotherapy, and the marijuana helps her feel better. But when she first tried to obtain an authorization as required by state law, her chemo doctor wouldn't give her one because it remains illegal under federal law.
She said she had to go to a different clinic to find a doctor who would write her an authorization, and that hurdle might be too much for some patients.
"It's not working the way it is right now," added Kerry Denny, a retired Teamster. "You can regulate it and tax it like everything else."
That's BS that medical marijuana dispensaries are all opposed to the measure to legalize pot. I have a good friend who works at one and they are actively supporting this new law for legalization and licensing requirements. Maybe pot dealers posing as medical marijuana dispensary are opposed but the legitimate one with actual medical patients that my friend works for is extremely supportive and is encouraging all patrons to vote yes on the measure.
@Julia SOME pro-pot people are opposed to this legalization measure because of how the bill is written. As it stands now, if this legalization measure gets approved, the amount of THC allowed in your system if you get pulled over is ridiculous. Maybe your friend should look into what their supporting because medical marijuana patients are the most at risk.
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"Critics of I-502 think that, legally, the new DUI provision makes medical marijuana patients extremely vulnerable. Tests conducted by Dr. Gil Mobley, a licensed provider of medical marijuana, garnered results suggesting that patients retain would-be illegal levels of THC in their systems for up to 4 hours after medication. Dr. Mobleyâs research also concluded that patients who measured in at up to 47 ng/mL of THC in their bloodstream were still able to pass basic cognitive exams. Such figures suggest that I-502âs legal limit is unreasonably low. A person can show a high THC level without being stoned. Medical marijuana patients would essentially be unable to drive legally."
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McCann, Christopher J. "DUI Provision in Washington Initiative-502 Creates Controversy Among Supporters of Medical Marijuana." TheWeedBlog.com. 2012. 19 August 2012. http://www.theweedblog.com/dui-provision-in-washington-marijuana-legalization-initiative-i-502-creates-controversy/
You only have to be able to read, to know that cannabis does have medicinal properties and value. If you've ever seen a cancer patient die, and I have, and then seen a cancer patient healed by cannabis oil, you would know the truth. You would seek the truth. You would DEMAND the truth.
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HERE IS THE PROOF:
FIRST: This is the government patent on Cannabis and it states, without a doubt, that cannabis most definitely has medical efficacy. Â Â Â http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6630507.html
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/03/government-sponsored-study-destroys-deas-classification-of-marijuana/
ASA - Studies/Results done around the world with cannabis    http://www.cannabis-med.org/studies/study.php
ASA (Americans For Safe Access) Mostly people in the medical field who want marijuana to be legal for medical purposes.  http://safeaccessnow.org/
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition  Mostly, made of Cops, Layers, Judges, and Prosecutors against cannabis prohibition.    http://www.leap.cc/
This is The National Organization to Reform Marijuana Laws. Â Â Â http://norml.org/
Rick Simpson Cannabis Oil Treatment for Cancer.http://phoenixtears.ca/
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Education is the key. If you know the FACTS, and not the LIES, you can make an honest decision based on truth.
"So, where is the REAL PLAN to control the use of drugs among minors? " There is no plan to curb drugs from Minors. Every pot user in America started out as kids, so why do they care about your kids? There also is know real concern for legalizing Pot for sick people. This is simply an agenda to be legally HIGH.   Then they bring up the issue of generating millions of dollars in Revenue? When was the last time a pot user ever really read the paper, or knew what went on in society, or ever even cared outside of their own bong pipe?  Simply another joke. Oh yes and then there is the "We are pot Enthousiasts now" Kinda like there is no such thing as a used car. They are merely pre-owned (ijmage of a car spending its life in a garage somewhere and never driven). But we all know pre owned is a lie, just like saying your NOT a pot head is a lie. Call it what it is
 Where is the real control of alcohol on kids??? They still get it.... Kids are going to get it even if it is illegal or not. Make the penalty the same as alcohol for miners and adults who supply them. Â
 @snow surfer Please see the info in my previous post. Most of these web sites could answer your questions. There may some abuse of cannabis, just like everything else that is supposed to be bad for you. But that doesn't mean it isn't medically effective. Look at prescription drugs.....30,000 - 40,000 die every year from prescription drugs. Are you pissed about that too? Tens of thousands die from alcohol....what are you doing about that? CANNAIBIS/MARIJUANA  HAS NEVER KILLED ANYONE.  N E V E R. EVER.
 @KJThomason HI KJ,
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My questions are rhetorical. The pot movement is about hippies and nothing more. I could care less about the medical implications or any other. I don't want my nieces and nephews growing up in a world where being a POT head is acceptable. IT is not..  I know alcohol is far worse. I grew up with alcoholics. I also know its so heavily ingrained in society as to never rid of it. Doesn't mean I will openly willingly add more fuel to the fire. If medical issues are the real concern (a complete lie) then I would expect to see far more middle and upper class ciitizens pounding the streets. But I don't. Look to the millions of hemphest photos for the proof. Kinda like the Ron paul supporters. There are professionals that support him. And then there are the tin hat people that completely destroy the cause. Hippies are their own worst enemy. cut your hair man, as it were.   Its so completely laughable as to be southpark like.Â
Pot, marijuana whatever you may call it KILLS brain cells and any Ambition that you may ever have. You cannot learn anything and retain it for any length of time. So you will never amount to much or be able to earn the money youâd like, to get the extra fun things in life. In fact youâll be lucky to be able to afford the necessaries in life. Hence you are living with friends & family. Get a clue early on in life and make a U turn before itâs too late. Are you really wanting to make yourself brain dead? Those 3 losers at the top of the page will be on the same park bench in 20 years or in jail. Grandma's basement? I wonder if the FEDS are getting all these pics documented. LMAO
 @Gigi You could say the same thing about morphine, vicodin, percoset or any other medicinal pain killer that terminally ill or severely chronically ill patients are given. Using marijuana for pain relief or relief from side effects of strong medications like chemotherapy is a completely different situation than a bunch of pot heads sitting around getting stoned. Folks who are going to get stoned (or drunk) everyday just for fun are going to do it whether it's legal or not. Why not make it legal like alcohol and get some tax money to go toward important social programs like healthcare and education instead of letting all the money go to drug dealers and their benefit? You can't make pot go away and more than you can make alcohol go away (you see how well prohibition worked). Why not make some of the profit go toward social services instead of the dealer's latest BMW?Â
 @Gigi LIES>>>>>>UNEDUCATED LIES>>>>>>>>>>DAMAGING LIES.
Anyone ever notice how people that do drugs, this includes weed, look 10 years older than they are? I'm 31 and I have friends I grew up with that are the same age as me and they look like they are in their 40's! They have no job because of the "economy" (yeah right) it's because they can't pass a drug test and they don't get out of bed before noon! I'm just keeping it real here. Smoke your brains out. Just don't wonder why the world is passing you by and you can't remember anything.Â
Well, after looking through the photo gallery, a few things became obvious:
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1. The photographer likes to take pictures of young, scantily clad girls.
2. There are a lot more young people than older people there.
3. There did not seem to be anybody there smoking pot for medical reasons (they were all kids).
4. The younger people need to take a close look at the older people to see if that is really where they want to be in 20 years.
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From the bikini photos I gather that we have a real glaucoma epidemic with our young people. ;o)
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This has to be the case since it is only meant to be used for "medical purposes".
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 @acepaul Are there any well-educated individuals coming out of Bothell? It seems like every individual from that town I've run into is a high school dropout or a grandparent at age 30.
Criminalize alcohol and legalize pot!
 @Tattooed_Angel Yeah because I want be out on the road with a bunch of potheads or have a surgeon doing my surgery high on weed. Weed kills brain cells. Â
 @FremontTroll Because if pot is legalized all the sudden EVERYONE is going to smoke it all the time? I don't think I'm the only person in the world who isn't going to start smoking pot just because it's legal. And I am 100% sure if your surgeon wants to get stoned before surgery he'll do it whether pot is legal or not. At the same time @Tattooed_Angel is probably 13 years old with that kind of mentality.
@Julia @FremontTroll What kind of mentality is that, Julia? I'm asking for FACTS from those who want to spout of their ignorant comments as FACTS but have NOTHING to back up what they are saying.
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My god, this board is full of commentators who are just really ignorant, huh?!
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 That must be why I have the mentality of a 13 year old. <sarcasm>
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You'd rather be out on the road with a bunch of drunks. Look at the statistics. How many "high" drivers have killed or injured people on the road and how many drunks have done the same?
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You want to support your opinion? Provide FACTS.
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Truth is, alcohol has no justifiable usage, pot does.
Also, all the idiots making up fake illnesses to get your fake prescriptions. You're ruining it for those that are truly sick and may really need something like weed to help them. I'm talking about diseases like cancer. Claiming you have anxiety is a joke. We all have anxiety to some degree living in the world we live in. Get over it and deal with life's problems. You're hurting those that really need it because doctors aren't taking people seriously anymore.Â
Whether you agree that weed needs to be legalized or not isn't the issue. Weed kills brain cells and makes people lazy. I don't know too many hardcore weed smokers that have jobs or at the very least a real job that isn't working at a gas station or fast food restaurant. They also tend to live with their parents and have no real ambition. I don't smoke it because I choose to face life and not live in a cloud. To each his own but weed isn't going to help you get places. Don't believe me? Take a look at the folks in the pictures.Â
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 @FremontTroll Totally not true.  I know many hard working pot smokers that are lawyers, teachers, fire fighters, athletes and more.   Look at Michael Phelps!  More gold medals in the olympics than ANY ONE EVER.   Your an idiot if you think 95% of pot smokers have no jobs, are lazy and live with their parents. Â
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 @DJ Sticky First I know for a fact that Michael Phelps isn't a hardcore weed smoker. He was caught on camera at a party once. If there is a firefighter that smokes weed running around out there he needs to be fired. I wouldn't want my life placed in that man's hands. I'm also a teacher and we drug test all our teachers. Athletes? Yes, there are a lot of overpaid, whiny, NBA players that smoke weed, and probably half the NFL. What's your point?Â
@FremontTroll Where's your facts, Troll?
I agree with you 100% I did smoke weed for years and from experiance it does do what you are saying it does. It's hard to figure out if they are stoned or just stupid. If your born stupid that's one thing but to make yourself stupid on purpose  is a totally differant story.
@FremontTroll Wow, what a generalization! Your name suits you.
 @Tattooed_Angel  @FremontTroll Its called generalizing, because generally what he says is a fact.Â
 @Tattooed_Angel  @FremontTroll How am I generalizing anything? 95% of pot smokers fit this description. Sorry, but it's a fact.Â
 @FremontTroll There are a lot of people out there who smoke pot for one reason or another and do not fit your description of them. Of course they would never tell YOU that because you sound VERY close-minded. Your description also describes people who drink too much alcohol or buy pain killers over the internet or in some cases are just plain lazy (I know people who fit that description who have never touched pot). Just for the record, I don't smoke pot or drink because I don't like it for myself. But I also don't lump everyone into a stereotype because of one thing that they do.
@KJThomason I know. That's why I called him out on it. :)
 @Tattooed_Angel HE HAS NO DATA OR FACTS......IT'S JUST THE OPINION OF A TROLL.
If it is a fact, can you please provide me with where you got your data and facts?
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Since the state legislators and senators are the ones who make the federal laws I'm hard pressed to figure out
why they don't go to Washington DC and change the current federal law. This really is a no brainer as far as I'm
concerned. No matter how many laws the state passes it won't do any good as long as they fail to make changes at the federal level.
ok, excuse me for being stupid...but if pot is not legal yet, why are there so many pictures of people smoking it during Hempfest? Is it legal just this weekend? :)
 @Yellowjello It's Seattle. Everything is legal if you whine enough about it.
 @Yellowjello No, it's not legal... and you're not stupid. The city and the law enforcement decided it's better to contain the participant in a park and let them do what they want to do instead of having them roam all over the place. Aside from traffic, I don't think there's been any problem with this set up. Personally I don't care if adults want to be medicated on THC on continual basis--but I am concern about the future of America's youth as many (it seems to me) prefer to "feel good" all the time vs. not wanting to deal with reality of hardship, perseverance, and all the difficult things life throws at us... And never mind the potential health risks associated with smoking anything. Regular pot smokers will deny this, but all I know is that my career in the health care is secure as long as people are putting funny substances in their bodies.Â
 @MyTacoma I think America's youth is suffering more from poor parenting than access to pot. I see far too many kids in our culture coddled by their parents and not disciplined and not taught to take responsibility or face consequences because their parents don't want the kids to ever be unhappy a moment in their lives. Drugs would become a much smaller issue if America's youth were taught responsibility and accountability from preschool age instead of suddenly wondering why Dick and Jane are smoking out instead of going to their college classes and Mommy and Daddy are bailing them out until they're in their 40's.
""We're all for legalization, but legalization, for me, is being able to grow as much as I want and being able to walk down the street to Starbucks smoking my joint," Sidhu said."Â
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I am sure Sidhu wants that but I certainly do not want to be a passerby getting a wiff of that. I feel the same way about cigarettes too.Â
 @PrairieDawn I'm pretty sure that won't happen with legalization. Poor Sidhu can't just walk down the street to Starbucks drinking beer.
Well I missed it again. Never get to go to Hemp Fest - they have rope tricks and cattle roping, yes? <sarcasm>
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Hope that everyone has a blast. :-)
My problem with the YES campaign is that it doesn't address the issue of minors. Â High school kids already engage in smoking pot, taking pills and worse. Â So, where is the REAL PLAN to control the use of drugs among minors? As a parent, I am sick and tired of worrying about my kids being sold crap at school by their classmates. Â As a society, we have a real problem of consumption and real enforcement must be part of the fix.
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Here is my suggestion, make ALL DRUGS FREE for adults but throw every dealer in jail for at least three years for selling to minors and that includes the rich kids who sell in high schools. When the YES campaign talks real issues then I will listen.
 @Socialjusticeforall Though it can not be explained, statistics have shown that where marijuana is legal for adults, teen use drops. And for the record, I don't think one single person believes it should be accessible to kids. ANY marijuana law that legalizes it, will not allow for underage use.
 @Socialjusticeforall It is a FACT that in places where marijuana has been made legal to adults, teen use has dropped. Just check the statistics.  Of course the government won't tell you that, just like that don't tell anyone THEY OWN the PATENT on THC and know it cures some cancers.
@Socialjusticeforall Your kids will buy drugs even with fantastic minor enforcement. If a child wants to find drugs, there will always be someone to provide it. Instead of worrying about the vendors, worry about educating and loving your child so he won't want drugs. It's really no different than kids outside a minimart waiting for a grownup to buy them beer.
I wish I could remember all the details, but we learned about the dangers of marijuana in my college psychology class this past school year. I never realized just how dangerous to the brain that stuff is... and I never expected to learn about it there of all places. That's not propaganda there, it's fact.
 @gimme_coffee People that are long-term pot smokers never return to normal. You ever noticed how they are in a constant fog, can't remember anything, and can't put together a complete sentence. They are always "zoned" out, and that's even when they aren't high! Tell me weed isn't harmful. It's a medical fact that it's very harmful.Â
 @FremontTroll People that are long-term pot smokers never return to normal. You ever noticed how they are in a constant fog,
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OH I know this first hand. I constantly get into aguments with my pot head friend because we will be discussing one subject, and 20 seconds later she will be calling me unatttentive and essentially an idiot because she is now talking about something completely different.   it completely drives me insane and she simply doesn't get that pot is doing it to her.Â
the 2 most common types of people who still think weed is the devil are 1. OLD people,lets be real they grew up fully engulfed in propaganda.2. RELIGIOUS people, Its not in the bible= must be bad.
Obviously since so many seniors smoke pot your theory just doesn't hold up here. Ever heard of the flower children or the hippies to name just a couple? Pot has been around a very long time and kids even back in the 60's kids didn't always conform to what their parents thought.
 @Jatok then why are the baby boomers the one's who oppose it so much? Not everyone was a hippie, In fact most werent.
You are talking about millions of people when you say baby boomers. I am sure there are baby boomers out there that oppose legalization, but
believe me there are plenty who don't. As a baby boomer myself and with
lots of friends in the same age group we are wondering why it hasn't been legalized. It doesn't make any sense not to in our opinion. Nothing
good has come from this prohibition. It has generated a lot of crime as
a matter of fact and some of us oldsters still believe in the freedom of choice.