Up next for charter schools: planning and possible lawsuit

SEATTLE (AP) - Now that voters have spoken about charter schools will the new, independent public schools be an option at the beginning of the next academic year?
It seems unlikely.
Voters narrowly approved Initiative 1240 earlier this month, but opening charter schools by 2013 would require many things to happen quickly - and there's a strong possibility that the state's top education officer will sue to block them.
First the state Board of Education has to figure out the next steps. The board has until March 6 to adopt rules to govern most aspects of charter schools in Washington. Board spokesman Aaron Wyatt said that schedule is tight, so people shouldn't expect them to beat their deadline.
Next on the agenda: The new Washington Charter School Commission will be formed and begin its work. The independent state agency created by the initiative will be authorizing and supervising the new entities.
The commission will be made up of nine members, three appointed by the governor, three by the president of the Senate and three by the speaker of the House. They will be supported by staff with a budget of an estimated $3 million a year.
People who want to open a charter school in Washington will need to wait for the commission to get settled before they open the application process. It's not known how long the application process will take - since the rules have not been written - but the process in New York state, for example, takes about four months from the initial filing to final approval.
The new law would open as many as 40 charter schools over five years.
Under the terms of the initiative, any nonprofit organization could start a charter school here if their plan is approved by either the new statewide commission or a local school board that has been authorized by the state school board to approve charter schools.
Out-of-state groups have offered to help Washington make the transition toward becoming the 42nd state with charter schools.
"There's really been an outpouring of support that I couldn't have predicted," said Chris Korsmo, executive director of the League of Education Voters, who worked on the Yes on 1240 campaign and whose group advocates for school reform.
She called the idea of opening the first charter school by fall 2013 a tall order and probably missing the point of the initiative. She said the goal is to insure the new schools are of the highest quality and focus on offering a great education to low income and minority kids.
The League of Education Voters has heard from parents, teachers and school leaders who are interested in being involved in the new schools, as well as from charter school operators in other states, Korsmo said.
Robin Lake, director of the University of Washington's Center on Reinventing Public Education, and a national expert on charter school research, said the most important key to success for charters in Washington is the 20 years of experience to draw on from the 41 states that already allow the independent schools.
The schools are most likely to succeed if the authorizers focus on good performance management, Lake said.
The commission and any school boards that are allowed to authorize charters must make sure the schools they approve have more than just a good idea. They need to have the ability to create a great education programs, do effective planning, manage their budget, roll out well and meet their goals, she said.
"It takes commitment and on-the-ground work after the law is implemented," she said.
Finding a balance between regulations and freedom for creativity helped lead charters to success in other places, like Denver, New York City and New Orleans, she said, noting failures in states such as Arizona are due to weak oversight and accountability.
The long-term goal is about improving education for all kids and that can happen if the people who run traditional and charter public schools learn from each other, she said. "This is about more good schools. It's not about charter schools."
One significant hurdle is Superintendent of Public Instruction Randy Dorn, who says he may sue to stop the initiative from establishing a parallel department of education.
Initiative 1240 was unconstitutional because it would set up a separate school system with a board that isn't elected by the people, he said.
"It is clearly circumventing the constitution," he said, because the state constitution established an elected superintendent of public instruction to oversee all public schools.
He has talked to the attorney general's office and state lawmakers about his concerns and hopes the Legislature will find a way to fix the new law, but is willing to bring a constitutional challenge all the way to the Washington Supreme Court, if necessary.
It seems unlikely.
Voters narrowly approved Initiative 1240 earlier this month, but opening charter schools by 2013 would require many things to happen quickly - and there's a strong possibility that the state's top education officer will sue to block them.
First the state Board of Education has to figure out the next steps. The board has until March 6 to adopt rules to govern most aspects of charter schools in Washington. Board spokesman Aaron Wyatt said that schedule is tight, so people shouldn't expect them to beat their deadline.
Next on the agenda: The new Washington Charter School Commission will be formed and begin its work. The independent state agency created by the initiative will be authorizing and supervising the new entities.
The commission will be made up of nine members, three appointed by the governor, three by the president of the Senate and three by the speaker of the House. They will be supported by staff with a budget of an estimated $3 million a year.
People who want to open a charter school in Washington will need to wait for the commission to get settled before they open the application process. It's not known how long the application process will take - since the rules have not been written - but the process in New York state, for example, takes about four months from the initial filing to final approval.
The new law would open as many as 40 charter schools over five years.
Under the terms of the initiative, any nonprofit organization could start a charter school here if their plan is approved by either the new statewide commission or a local school board that has been authorized by the state school board to approve charter schools.
Out-of-state groups have offered to help Washington make the transition toward becoming the 42nd state with charter schools.
"There's really been an outpouring of support that I couldn't have predicted," said Chris Korsmo, executive director of the League of Education Voters, who worked on the Yes on 1240 campaign and whose group advocates for school reform.
She called the idea of opening the first charter school by fall 2013 a tall order and probably missing the point of the initiative. She said the goal is to insure the new schools are of the highest quality and focus on offering a great education to low income and minority kids.
The League of Education Voters has heard from parents, teachers and school leaders who are interested in being involved in the new schools, as well as from charter school operators in other states, Korsmo said.
Robin Lake, director of the University of Washington's Center on Reinventing Public Education, and a national expert on charter school research, said the most important key to success for charters in Washington is the 20 years of experience to draw on from the 41 states that already allow the independent schools.
The schools are most likely to succeed if the authorizers focus on good performance management, Lake said.
The commission and any school boards that are allowed to authorize charters must make sure the schools they approve have more than just a good idea. They need to have the ability to create a great education programs, do effective planning, manage their budget, roll out well and meet their goals, she said.
"It takes commitment and on-the-ground work after the law is implemented," she said.
Finding a balance between regulations and freedom for creativity helped lead charters to success in other places, like Denver, New York City and New Orleans, she said, noting failures in states such as Arizona are due to weak oversight and accountability.
The long-term goal is about improving education for all kids and that can happen if the people who run traditional and charter public schools learn from each other, she said. "This is about more good schools. It's not about charter schools."
One significant hurdle is Superintendent of Public Instruction Randy Dorn, who says he may sue to stop the initiative from establishing a parallel department of education.
Initiative 1240 was unconstitutional because it would set up a separate school system with a board that isn't elected by the people, he said.
"It is clearly circumventing the constitution," he said, because the state constitution established an elected superintendent of public instruction to oversee all public schools.
He has talked to the attorney general's office and state lawmakers about his concerns and hopes the Legislature will find a way to fix the new law, but is willing to bring a constitutional challenge all the way to the Washington Supreme Court, if necessary.
Will the teachers of these new charters schools be union as well?
 @UtterReality Teachers are able to join a union but it can only be at their charter schools. There cannot be a union of charter school teachers nor can they be part of the greater union group (such as SEA or WEA). Anyone who knows about unions knows it's about numbers so a union of 20 teachers has little power. The overwhelming majority of charter teachers are not unionized and a large number come from Teach for America and so are not committed to the teaching profession.
@UtterReality what is it with the union fixation. Teachers are teachers; the union is there to make sure that they have representation when they need it. You make it sound like teachers are union members first, then teachers. Please change your name to Utter Nonsense.
@Sumner31 From what I have seen, most union members are union first regardless of profession.
 @Sumner31 You sure read a lot into what was a very simple question.
THANK YOU RANDY DORN!!!!!!
great another layer of Bureaucrats.
"I don't like the current state of education, so I'll vote to add a bunch of new schools and hope I get a good one nearby. After all, stretching education dollars thin on a complete gamble is better than what we currently have!"
 @jowsuf As sarcastic as that might sound coming out of my mouth, it's the sad truth.
 @makeadifference Throwing money at something that isn't guaranteed to work is irresponsible. This isn't a solution, it's just another risky money drain.
Do people know that the funding for charter schools come from the same budget as public schools. What is always on the chopping block when things go wrong? Wake up and see that this is ridiculous.
Between unions and the mid-evil concept of tenure (essentially untouchable lifetime employment with minimal accountability) education is in a sorry state with young, motivated, talented teachers not getting a chance to perform and be evaluated on performance. I want to give the charter schools a try and see how they do and the ball is truly in their court to deliver. A majority of voters seemed to feel similarly.Â
@Citizen#3457899654 "Between unions and the mid-evil concept of tenure (essentially untouchable lifetime employment with minimal accountability)"
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That is the only part of your statement that I would agree with. On the other hand education has taking a funding hit since the mid 90s. There have been measures passed to fund schools and by majority vote, voted down-thank you, Timmy E.
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The has change the evaluation process of teachers and the bad won't be hanging much longer. I know of 2 in our district that are looking for jobs. The idea that young teachers are not getting a chance is nuts.
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Lastly, the majority in this state loud and clear they did want to fund schools or anything that a public employee was attached to. When the charter schools go to hire good teachers, where will they get the money to pay them. Unless the people who want good charter and public schools, they should be prepared to pay for them.
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Eymans's 60/40 measure may not allow it.
 @snoopy84 The reality is that essential services like police
fire protection, and were cut, but the feel good spending bills were
left in place. That was not Tim's fault. Blame the legislatures and
the governor.
Even before the first bill requiring a 2/3 majority was passed the
school funding was already being cut by the legislature. The state
has been found to not have met the constitutional mandate for
fully funding through numerous suits put before the judicial
branch over the past years. Finally the judicial branch put in place
a judgement that actually required that the mandate be met by a
given date.
While I'm not one for bureaucracy, this is worth taking the time to do it right. So excited to have free choices and competition for better education! It's about time Washington!
 @makeadifference There won't be any competition for providing the best education because there is no incentive to. They will all get the same ratio of money.Â
Hey UNIONS!You are terrible with managing the learning of our children. Give up. You are FIRED. Let the Charter schools make up for your losses.Â
 @heyjoe "you are FIRED"... oh boy... another Trump clone.Â
Unfortunately there are a lot of parents who need to be fired too. If parents did a better job of parenting, then your kid wouldn't have to sit by an ill behaved kid who took away the learning time from the others in the class. Usually, the ones who disagree with this are the ones who have the ill behaved kids and don't want to take responsibility for their lack of parenting - they just want to pass the blame.
This vote would have never happened if the public school system wasn't broken beyond all repair. The current system has been hijacked by polticians, adminstrators, and teachers unions to the point that education no longer becomes the issue. When I see over 54% of my property taxes going to education with a education levy attached to every vote, I have to ask where are the dollars going. We sure have not seen an improvement in the education the kids are getting today. Oh, and God help anyone who questions the system. They are branded anti children. I say it is about time the current system has some compitition. As for Randy Dorn, if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.....
I expect that Dorn will give thumbs up if he can negotiate oversight. If charter schools are supposed to be for the kids, it seems like the state could allow each school to tailor to the need of the kids right now. The idea that the guy who is in charge of an impotent school system would want oversight over a new education-for-the-kids system should probably never happen. Hopefully it doesn't happen anyway, just to prevent a lawsuit.
This is what happens when we legislate thru Initiatives. The establishment of a second department of education is against the state constitution. Eymen's 60/40 vote on taxes and the liquor intiative passed on emotions, but yet have done any good for the state and it's people. Even Costco reports a loss in liquor sales not to mention the thousands that has been lost to shoplifters.
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Dorn is not sueing the initiative of charter schools but the second department of education.
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People keeping voting on issues but are not reading the fine print. Eyman's 60/40 is only good for 2 years then we vote on it again-start adding how much taxpayers are spending run the initiative to save a penny sometime less on tax hikes.
Fore those of you whom think charter schools will save money-again read the fine print, thier first budget is 3 miilion a year on staff alone. This this is public money. Why are charter schools successful, because they can pick and choose who they take and are not obligated to take special ed students.
Kids in public schools are really doing well if you understand how to read test scores. They average the whole school population in the scores. Students who opt out of testing, special ed students and ESL students factor in the score. Charter schools don't admit those sudents, thier scores will always be higher.
We elect people to go to Olympia to represent us, let them do thier jobs. If enough people tell thier reps they want charter schools then they should introduce a billn with the correct laws and budgeting.
 @snoopy84  I'm not sure what you mean by Costco reporting a loss on liquor stores.  Do you mean that it's not profitable for them?
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I do like being able to buy liquor at the grocery store across the street at night, so I'd disagree that the initiative didn't have any positive benefit.  It's not like I buy booze that often anyways, so I'm willing to pay a little extra for the convenience..
@UtterReality I should have said "not profitable". The access to liquor is now in every grocery store. The shplifting part is correct. I beleave KOMO cited the numbers in the first part of Nov.
Classic spin, thank you Snoppy84 for a good laugh.. "Your son scored a 35 out of a hundred on the test." "So he failed."
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 @Sandog13 No, your son scored 90, another kid didn't take it, so the school got a 45 and is failing. SEE?
 @Sandog13 He is right sorry to bust your little bubble.
what is the difference between a a charter school vs. a reg public school?
@sirgavin7 I hope you didn't vote on this issue...
@sirgavin7......are you serious?
 @sirgavin7 You could call it public sector vs private, except the private run schools still get funded by the government.
What the hell good does it do to vote??? If they ask for a levy and we vote no they will bring it up over and over again. Years ago they did that in Kitsap, I think at least 3 and maybe 4 times until they got their way. Now we vote for something and the Superintendent of Public Instruction doesn't want to respect the voters. Darned if we do, darned if we don't. They are like little kids, beg and beg and manipulate when we say no and try to get out of things when we say yes.
@Grandmacj This is what happens when we legislate thru Initiatives. The establishment of a second department of education is against the state constitution. Eymen's 60/40 vote on taxes and the liquor intiative passed on emotions, but yet have done any good for the state and it's people. Even Costco reports a loss in liquor sales not to mention the thousands that has been lost to shoplifters.
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Dorn is not sueing the initiative of charter schools but the second department of education.
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People keeping voting on issues but are not reading the fine print. Eyman's 60/40 is only good for 2 years then we vote on it again-start adding how much taxpayers are spending run the initiative  to save a penny sometime less on tax hikes.
Fore those of you whom think charter schools will save money-again read the fine print, thier first budget is 3 miilion a year on staff alone. This this is public money. Why are charter schools successful, because they can pick and choose who they take and are not obligated to take special ed students.
Kids in public schools are really doing well if you understand how to read test scores. They average the whole school population in the scores. Students who opt out of testing, special ed students and ESL students factor in the score. Charter schools don't admit those sudents, thier scores will always be higher.Â
We elect people to go to Olympia to represent us, let them do thier jobs. If enough people tell thier reps they want charter schools then they should introduce a billn with the correct laws and budgeting.
 @snoopy84  You said that already.. Why are you posting the same thing over and over and over again?Â
@Sandog13 Wow, 3 overs for 2 posts. Thanks Sandog.
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I copy my paste and cut my comments and did not relieze it was still on the cut, so bam, there was and I decided to leave it.
 @Sandog13  @snoopy84 The truth hurts don't it?
I say let this run awhile and let it kill itself. It will be evident to everyone within 3 years how expensive charter schools really are.
W @factchekr What is most expensive is not investing in the right ways when it comes to education. We are throwing money at a broken system. It's time to put money into something else and plan carefully so it will be effective.
 @factchekr Privatizing education using pubiic funds (investment opportunities) and getting rid of teachers' union (the obstacle). That's what 1240 is all about. You have to wonder why Bill Gates has been a huge proponent of the initiative.Â
 @MyTacoma  @factchekr Gates is a college dropout!
@MyTacoma @factchekr "Privatizing education using pubiic funds" and there is the problem. A private school must riley on tuition. Charter must riley on tax dollars and have the same benifit.
Must be nice to open a private school without the financing issues it like a business. I would think this is what Romney considered the " takers".
 @factchekr yeah lets give the money to Olympia for the people in office to enjoy, srew the kids (eyes rolling)
Hey Grandmacj....you are basically "srewing" the kids that are not from wealthy families. To think that ALL children would have an opportunity is just close-minded. Charter schools are basically private schools that are publically funded. What about little Johnny that comes for a poor family? He's really good at playing the violin,however, little Johnny's mom and dad come from the wrong side of the tracks. How is he going to get to school? That's just the tip of the iceberg. Do your homework....(eyes rolling)
Oh it wouldn't be Washington state if we don't have a decade of lawsuits, studies, studies of the studies, blue ribbon commissions, special session, hearings, more studies, special interest groups yelling at each other, then the studies are too old so we need new studies, followed by more lawsuits.
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I knew the WEA would be in hysterics over this victory. I love it!
All of the votes have not been counted yet and the number of yes votes to no votes declines daily. Today it is 50.72% yes to 49.28% no. The majority is slim and dropping.
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The no campaign was outspent by a lot by the yes campaign. Where did the millions on the yes campaign come from? Bill Gates, Walton family (owners of Walmart), and a couple of other multi-millionaires. The no campaign was totally grass roots and at least one group was run by a group of parents.
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Charter schools are a waste of precious tax dollars. It is the administrations in the school districts that are the problem, not the teachers.Â
@Rhonwyn22 WA State liberals embrace pot, gay marriage, abortion but yet goes crazy at school choice. I would expect nothing less from them.
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This will turn into public funded private schools in Issaquah and Bellvue.
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@Rhonwyn22 Fortunately, several of the teachers I have talked to love the idea of Charter Schools and are interested in teaching in them. I have always been pro-choice on every topic, including school options.
@jellyfish....Gee, what teacher wouldn't want to teach in an elitist publically funded school? duh.................
@jellyfish Your teacher friends may reconsider their willingness to teach in a charter school once they find out they will lose their pension and will no longer be paid on the state salary scale (most charter pay far less). If we want to do a test study of "charter schools," I suggest we take the "success stories" from out of state and turn over the worst performing school in every school district to those charters. They aren't miracle workers. In fact, if you do a tiny bit of research, you will find that most perform on par with their traditional public school counterparts and many perform less well.Â