White supremacist planning compound in Northern Idaho
SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) - A disciple of former Aryan Nations leader Richard Butler wants to build a new compound in northern Idaho to act as a gathering place for white supremacists, a development that troubles human rights groups who spent decades battling Butler and his group.
Shaun Winkler, who unsuccessfully ran for sheriff of Bonner County earlier this year, said a supporter is donating 8 acres near the town of Priest River, Idaho, that he hopes to develop into a place for white supremacists to conduct meetings, cross burnings and other activities.
"I'm just one guy that wants to bring people together to continue the struggle for white survival," Winkler, 33, told The Associated Press this week.
Butler's high-profile Aryan Nations activity tainted northern Idaho's image nationally, and local civil rights groups were wary of a potential new hub for racist activity.
"Our work has to go on to promote equality and justice and fairness," said Tony Stewart, a leader of the Kootenai County Task Force on Human Relations. Human rights groups, including the Southern Poverty Law Center, at this point are just raising awareness. There are no active efforts to try to thwart Winkler.
The task force and the Southern Poverty Law Center combined to push a civil lawsuit that bankrupted the Aryan Nations in 2000, leading to the sale of the original compound. Butler died in 2004.
Winkler declined to identify his benefactor, other than to say he was a former Los Angeles police officer who had supported Winkler's bid for sheriff. Aryan Nations was structured as a church of the white supremacist Christian Identity religion, and Winkler said the new compound will include a church hall for services and places for supporters to live.
Winkler, who works as a logger, originally planned the compound on 17 acres of nearby land he purchased last year. But money woes have pushed that purchase toward foreclosure.
Winkler described himself as an imperial wizard in the White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and said the compound will operate under a flag of the KKK, rather than Aryan Nations.
"This is an early step," he said. "It's not going to happen overnight."
He considers himself a white separatist, who believes people of different races should live segregated lives.
"We aren't here to kill anybody. We aren't here to cause harm to anyone," Winkler said. "We just don't want nothing to do with their society."
Bonner County, like much of the rest of the region, has a population that is overwhelmingly white - about 96 percent of the 40,000 residents.
Winkler studied the racist Christian Identity religion under Butler. He has continued to live in the area, sometimes hosting cross burnings on his land and protesting the presence of Hispanics and other minorities. Winkler has picketed Mexican food carts in nearby Coeur d'Alene, and protested the annual Martin Luther King Jr. events at North Idaho College in January.
Butler for nearly three decades operated out of a 20-acre compound that became a gathering place for white supremacists. He held annual meetings that drew hundreds of supporters.
The land was auctioned off after he lost a lawsuit in 2000 brought by the SPLC on behalf of a woman and her son who were terrorized by Butler's security guards during one of those annual meetings.
Shaun Winkler, who unsuccessfully ran for sheriff of Bonner County earlier this year, said a supporter is donating 8 acres near the town of Priest River, Idaho, that he hopes to develop into a place for white supremacists to conduct meetings, cross burnings and other activities.
"I'm just one guy that wants to bring people together to continue the struggle for white survival," Winkler, 33, told The Associated Press this week.
Butler's high-profile Aryan Nations activity tainted northern Idaho's image nationally, and local civil rights groups were wary of a potential new hub for racist activity.
"Our work has to go on to promote equality and justice and fairness," said Tony Stewart, a leader of the Kootenai County Task Force on Human Relations. Human rights groups, including the Southern Poverty Law Center, at this point are just raising awareness. There are no active efforts to try to thwart Winkler.
The task force and the Southern Poverty Law Center combined to push a civil lawsuit that bankrupted the Aryan Nations in 2000, leading to the sale of the original compound. Butler died in 2004.
Winkler declined to identify his benefactor, other than to say he was a former Los Angeles police officer who had supported Winkler's bid for sheriff. Aryan Nations was structured as a church of the white supremacist Christian Identity religion, and Winkler said the new compound will include a church hall for services and places for supporters to live.
Winkler, who works as a logger, originally planned the compound on 17 acres of nearby land he purchased last year. But money woes have pushed that purchase toward foreclosure.
Winkler described himself as an imperial wizard in the White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and said the compound will operate under a flag of the KKK, rather than Aryan Nations.
"This is an early step," he said. "It's not going to happen overnight."
He considers himself a white separatist, who believes people of different races should live segregated lives.
"We aren't here to kill anybody. We aren't here to cause harm to anyone," Winkler said. "We just don't want nothing to do with their society."
Bonner County, like much of the rest of the region, has a population that is overwhelmingly white - about 96 percent of the 40,000 residents.
Winkler studied the racist Christian Identity religion under Butler. He has continued to live in the area, sometimes hosting cross burnings on his land and protesting the presence of Hispanics and other minorities. Winkler has picketed Mexican food carts in nearby Coeur d'Alene, and protested the annual Martin Luther King Jr. events at North Idaho College in January.
Butler for nearly three decades operated out of a 20-acre compound that became a gathering place for white supremacists. He held annual meetings that drew hundreds of supporters.
The land was auctioned off after he lost a lawsuit in 2000 brought by the SPLC on behalf of a woman and her son who were terrorized by Butler's security guards during one of those annual meetings.
Y'all are missing a VERY important point....IF they build a compound, they become self-identifying. Â Once they have all co-located, should they prove to be other than peaceful, easier to find them to serve arrest warrants.
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In the mean time, while many are crying "RACIST" about this... Go take a closer look at La Raza, Black Panther or MeCHa rallies...
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The one major problem with these folks views and it's called inbreeding. The human race has survived for so long because of the mixing of genes.
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@Chico Spoken like a true Liberal Socialist.
Some of you seem to forget everyone in this country immigrated here or your ancestors did. Â All you racist morons need to be rounded up and shot. All of you are worthless and not worth a pile of s!#*. LiveFreeOrDie, you are a waste of skin. We don't need people like you in this country, get the hell out of here. I don't feel sorry for you. You are an idiot, not worth spit. Every time you speak or write your opinions you prove my point. WAKE UP!!!!
@Powderhound Ahhh spoken like a true Liberal Socialist. My family immigrated here in the late 40's, waited in line, went through the legal process, learned English, and became US citizens 10 years later, the happiest days of their lives. Why is this so hard to comprehend for you? Do you not believe in a countries sovereignty, of course not, you are a Liberal and a sharp tongued one at that. Your fascist viewpoints make my claims about the Liberal mentality all the more truer. Remember that the truth is not racism, it is merely the truth, I know this is hard for you to comprehend with an IQ of a billiards ball.
 @Powderhound "Rounded up and shot"? Sounds like something the KKK or Black Panthers would do. You are the voice of tolerance and reason. You people that cry about "racism" and "intolerance" are some of the most intolerant people yourselves. And you're so self deluded about how great of a person you are that you are too busy patting yourself on the back to look in the mirror to see you are living a lie. Nobody you are talking about has advocated violence....only you and those like you for whom "tolerance" includes a) rounding up people that don't agree with you and shooting them b)forcibly removing people that don't agree with you from the country and c)stifling the right to free speech of those that don't agree with you. Sounds like you are the most dangerous, facist person here.
@Powderhound - wow. great 'generalizing' over what one person says. And I'll bet you'd be protesting to beat the band if I dared to generalize like that about you and people who think like you. Sounds like you're possibly carrying some pretty hefty problems yourself - or are just wanting to start a fight.
 @dg54321  @Powderhound Never pat myself on the back. Don't cry about it either. Just speak up when someone without a brain speaks garbage. Oh yes, lets keep these people around and reform them. Right. What's to tolerate with these people. They won't listen and don't care. Get them the hell out of here.Â
 @dg54321 I can see you don't recognize sarcasm. They aren't worth reforming is my point. Have nothing else to say to you. Not worth my time.Â
 @Powderhound Reform them? Now you are sounding like those in charge of the old USSR. "If they don't believe in communism they must be mentally ill and must be reformed!" They have a different opinion than you. You can hate it, but they have every right to feel the way they do. Just like you do. But advocating for violence is NOT free speech, and that is exactly what you are doing. You are the one who is in the wrong here.
@dg54321 @Powderhound So hatred of minorities is just another viewpoint that we should just tolerate?
@dg54321 @Powderhound Free speech is not without consequence. People who say and do hateful and racist things will be shunned and ostracized out of existance. No member of civilized humanity will have anything to do with you, and will lead to loss of income and employment as a collateral consequence.
 @Superman_1967  @dg54321  @Powderhound So long as they aren't out there committing violence or advocating it against those people? Yes. It's called free speech. Not just the freedom to say what is popular.
You Libs will all be singing a new tune in 15-20 years when Whites are the minority in this country and everything is in Spanish and your children or grandchildren will be the minority in their schools and required to learn Spanish, you just don't get it, diversity does not work, never has, never will. You don't have to be a KKK member to see what is happening, it's quite clear to many except the Liberals who are living in some fantasy utopia world. Maybe we can have this same conversation in 15-20 years but I doubt it.
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 @LiveFreeOrDie The British took over this country around 300 or so years ago and the indigineous people had to learn English and either conform to the British way or be exiled.  Now our society is changing again and Spanish is becoming very a very common language because of all the immigration.. So what? What's wrong with speaking Spanish and English? Spanish will never become the national language because too much of the world uses English. What's wrong with people who are from South American, Mexico, Central America? Nothing! My grandparents were immigrants from Sweden and that doesn't make them any better just because their skin is white. And no one is screaming at me about how we're all going to have to speak Swedish now, god forbid. Really. Grow up!
@Julia If you want to learn Spanish then move to Mexico or Central America. Actually, your Progressive Liberal thinking would fit real well in Venezuela, I am sure Chavez will welcome you with open arms.
 @LiveFreeOrDie When the people living next to you hate you and want to push you out of your own country, and say this openly, you have a choice. To fight that, or to let them do it. It sure seems like the majority of people are far too willing to sit back and let it happen. i agree we won't recognize America in 20 years, for far too many reasons. I don't hate anybody until they give me a good reason, but I won't sit idle and let others hate me, and act on that hate, all based on the idea of "tolerance" and "political correctness".
 @livefreeordie Really?-you are going to blame liberals for diversity? You do know this is the 21st century--right? And in this century, (through no fault of liberals)  the world is shrinking, and people have so many choices of where they want to live. If you want to live in a place where there are only people with pale faces, you may have to find out where this group is locating--because just about everywhere you go in America, there are people of different colors, different langauges, different religions. If you truly have a problem with that, maybe the United States just isn't for you anymore. Someplace in the lovely countryside of Poland might work better for you, I don't know, but I certainly do feel sorry for you, living in someplace where you hate your neighbors so much.
@chickysgirl Quite the opposite acutally, the USA is for me, I unlike many illegal immigrants was born in this country. I have put more into my country than any illegal alien can or has. What your Liberal mindset does not understand is this has nothing to do with hate or racism, it is just a matter of reality (which I know Liberals like yourself do not live in). Diversity does not work, name one other country current or history where diversity has worked, this country is only 236 years old and we already have illegals in this country from Hispanic origin who think this is still their country and want the white man and woman out.
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If you think this can last in some unicorn utopia and all will be good then maybe you should attend some Black Panther, MeCHa, or La Raza demonstrations, I have in Southern California and the hate for the white man is to a boiling point. Don't think that you will be spared just because you dress like a hippy with a Peace symbol tye dye t shirt, you are only fooling yourself.
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Wow, you do assume a lot of things--and many of them are inaccurate. For starters, you seem to be assuming that all Hispanics are here illegally. That is a very inaccurate assumption. Secondly, to assume that all Hispanics are here illegally does make this issue about race. The reality is, your anscestors were more than likely not the original occupants of this land which has become the United States, so, even being born here makes you no different than the immigrant who got naturalized yesterday. You may feel a superiority, but you're not. As to the assumption that diversity does not work, you must be hiding under a rock in a place where everyone looks just like you, and you are fearful of someone even slightly different. Am I correct on my statements so far? I love the diversity of this country. I have lived among the original natives of this country, I have lived in Los Angeles which is about as diverse as you can get, I have lived in Chicago, and Minneapolis, both of which have wonderfully diverse groups of people, who live peacefully together. I'm very curious as to why you think it doesn't work, because from my experiences, I just don't see it.. And your final assumption--the peace symbol and tie dye t shirt--never have been my cup of tea.
@Superman_1967 Must be La Raza, MeCHa member huh? I have never spit on a minority or any human for that matter. If these so callled "minorities" or illegal aliens as I call them are so good then maybe you and your ilk can pay for their medical bills, anchor babies, welfare, incarcerations etc. I cannot afford to pay for these leaches anymore and I suspect millions of other Americans are tired of paying for them as well. Maybe put up a family of illegals in your home for a year or so and you pay for their lodging, I am sick of paying for them.
@LiveFreeOrDie You are a sickening, disgraceful, and disgusting human being. The minorities you like to spit on are a thousand times better human being than you will ever be. Go and run to the hills and live in bunkers with the rest of the lowlife, loser white supremacists if you have a problem with minorities.
Pretty pathetic when your biggest accomplishment in life is the color of your skin.....
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Just put a nice strong fence around it, perfect, a.k.a. self-incarceration.
@Komo Dragon - "Just put a nice strong fence around it, perfect, a.k.a. self-incarceration."
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Let 'em self incarcerate somewhere that doesn't afford them the priviliges of being part of this melting pot called America.
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They're nothing more than spoiled children who want to blame others for things so that they can ignore thier own problems, failures, insecurites while reveling in thier own bigotry, racism and hatred of those who aren't insecure, afraid, etc.
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While I am usually very tolerant of nearly any viewpoint (although I may strongly disagree with someone and let them know it - hopefully in a respectful manner), I have no tolerance for those who would force thier way -illegally and unconstitutionally upon others, nor will I show them much of any respect. I don't care if they are lefty, righty, racist, religious, non-religious or anything else.Â
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If thier desire is to force others to 'be like them' regardless of the legality or constitutionality), then as far as I'm concerned, they don't have the right to spew thier filth.
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 @Komo Dragon You are right! That is what they actually want............NO INTERACTION with anyone unlike their very defined views of themselves........perfect solution, you just solved a very sticky problem with the perfect solution!
Ah, blindly stupid people who think racism is 'cool'.  Blindly scapegoating one group of people in order to make themselves feel more powerful in our society.
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Reminds me of many others who do the very same thing in this country....
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It's all about scapegoating and making themselves seem important in this 'why should I care about you and who are you again?' society.
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I've got only one thing to say to these folks: You don't like that our society integrates people of all types and races? Then you've only got one action you can legitimately take. Get the F___ outa our country and go find another one to poison with your personal problems.  We don't need you. America is and always has been all about the 'melting pot' - you ain't gonna change that, so either forget these stupid racist ideals or get the F____ out and find some third world country that agrees with your personal problems.
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 @FormerMarineSgt That's funny, considering "getting the F out of our country" is exactly what illegal immigrants should do. They are, by definition, ILLEGAL. Nothing wrong with bias against people who are here illegally. Bet you are saying anybody who doesn't agree with Obama 100% is just a racist too. Hypocricy abounds.
@dg54321 @FormerMarineSgt Where's the hypocrisy? He never said anything about illegals. Don't assume all Hispanics are illegal. There are many of them that are several generations down. This guy is picketing outside Mexican businesses, not Mexican illegals.Â
@dg54321 @amr201 - " He states that people who speak out against illegal immigration are racists, just because most of the illegal immigrants are Mexican. An unsubstantiated claim and ridiculous to boot." if you're referring to my comments, then yes, your claim is indeed An unsubstantiated claim and ridiculous to boot." " I never said such a thing. What I said was the following (quoted directly from my previous): Reminds me of many others who do the very same thing in this country.... Against gays Against illegal immigrants and so on..." And that was referring to how people SCAPEGOAT others. Not "'are racist against xxxxx group'.
@amr201 = Where's the hypocracy? All over the comments. Just read them. I never said that this racist clown (the guy who's the subject of the article) was saying anything about illegals. What I said was this: "Reminds me of many others who do the very same thing in this country.... Against gays Against illegal immigrants and so on..." It's commentors on here that went wild on illegals.
@amr201 - he assumed many things from my comment - and none of the assumptions were even close.
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I think he may be upset that Obama won. I can't think of any other reason why he would bring up Obama in his response.
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It's oddly funny how whenever someone speaks against scapegoating groups of people, someone almost always responds like this - falsely calling out the poster as some blind and pathtic Obama supporter so that they can call the poster a hypocrite.
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 @amr201  @dg54321  @FormerMarineSgt If they are here legally, then great. I have nothing wrong with legal immigration. He states that people who speak out against illegal immigration are racists, just because most of the illegal immigrants are Mexican. An unsubstantiated claim and ridiculous to boot.
@dg54321 - you don't get what I was saying at all there dude.
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It's the scapegoating of the group that I'm speaking to - not thier actual legal status, nor am I indicating anything about my position on illegals with what I wrote.Â
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Sorry dude - I'm not as stupid as you wish to attribute me with. People can easily disagree with others and respectfully have opposite opinions and I have no problem with that.  It's the damm fools who think that they can blindly scapegoat others simply because they don't like them that I am speaking to - and it's clear that you may fit into that category regarding illegals.Â
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Illegals by basic definition are illegally here - however, our economy would suffer greatly if they were magically gone as so many who think like you want to see happen.  They're taking very few jobs that Americans will 'lower themselves to do'.  This has been repeatedly proven in the last few years, so that arguement regarding illegals is blown out of the water. Â
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@LiveFreeOrDie - what clowns you guys are in trying to rationalize your dislike of my position. The phrase is actually 'There is no such thing as an EX-Marine'. If you're going to claim liar, at least get the damm expressions right. I am a FORMER member of the Marine Corps - as in no longer active duty or reserve. While I still bleed scarlet and gold, I am no longer an active member of America's military. I WAS a sargeant in the Marine Corps. As I am no longer an active member, it is legitimate to call myself a 'former'. And yes, once a Marine, always a Marine. However, I'm not willing to put something out there that makes people think I'm currently an active duty Marine. You guys are really going way, way too far to prove that you're right and that everyone else is wrong. Petty insults are below you.
@dg54321 I agree, once a Marine always a Marine, their is no such thing as a Former Marine, everyone knows this. I suspect a fraud.
Should be ashamed of himself but we know how the Liberal mind works.
 @LiveFreeOrDie  @FormerMarineSgt I think it's telling that he calls himself "FormerMarineSgt"....any Marine, active or not, would tell you that there is no such thing as a "former Marine". Once a Marine, always a Marine.....
@dg54321 -   "You say the economy would suffer greatly if illegal immigrants were not here. I fervently disagree."   --- who would pick the produce for your plate? It won't happen at the cheap $$ that are currently paid to the workers. to get Americans to do it, your plate full of food would be pretty damm expensive.  Same goes with many other jobs that illegals currently have.  To get Americans to fill them, the cost of goods goes way up, your income won't, so you get less for your money and stop buying things.  Millions of people do the same. Economy crashes.  Simple economics. Â
"you seem to have no problem with these people breaking the law, no problem with their employers breaking the law to pay them a pittance for the work they are doing?"  --- you're reading far more into my comments than I ever put into them. Assuming tends to make an idiot of you, not me my friend.   I do have problems with people breaking the law, and I especially have problems with employers who break the law to hire them.  In fact, if employers hadn't been allowed to break the law for so many years, we wouldn't have the massive problem with illegals that we do today... However, I advocate a balanced reasonable approach (details of which I am not certain of at this time), not the right wing rhetoric approach of blind scapegoating of illegals, gays, non-Christians, etc. etc.. Â
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 @FormerMarineSgt  @dg54321 "Not as stupid" "hypocracy"....need I say any more? Seems to me a few more years of education would have worked wonders. Or maybe not. You say the economy would suffer greatly if illegal immigrants were not here. I fervently disagree. And you seem to have no problem with these people breaking the law, no problem with their employers breaking the law to pay them a pittance for the work they are doing? I thought you were about treating these people with respect. It's because they are here illegally that the employer is able to treat them so poorly by paying them a ridiculously low wage for the work they do. But you seem to be ok with treating them as little better than slaves so long as they don't get sent out of the country as they should be. Your reasoning lacks any logical basis whatsoever.
Wouldn't they rather become the border patrol in Texas?
why don't these ahols move to Texas where they belong
Why Texas? are they cowboys or oil men or farmers or what are sayin bro?
@BocaBob I take it you haven't spent any time in texas. Hope their wish to secede is granted.
Most of these types have the  I.Q.. of a queue ball. That being said what better way to catalog and monitor the people who come and go.
As far them protesting it's with in thier rights if done correctly.
I spend some time in that area each year and it is exactly what you think. Sarah Palin's hometown is Sandpoint, located in Bonner Co. That whole area is what she would refer to as, "the real America."
I have no problem with them isolating themselves from the rest of the country which has people in it they don't like. That's in essense the perfect solution for people like that. However, if they do things like protesting Hispanic food trucks and try to prevent other Americans from living wherever  they want, or from setting up legitimate businesses, then they do become terrorists.Â
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@chickysgirl - let 'em isolate themselves in some other country. we don't need no stinking racists or white supremisists poisoning OUR country.   They can't handle 'the melting pot' that is America? Then they can either learn to live with it or they can leave. It's that simple.
 @FormerMarineSgt While I agree with you that their thoughts and attitudes towards people who do not fit their idea of the 'perfect race' is poison and abhorrant, I still have to believe that this country is made up of all kinds who have the right to whatever their belief is. I guess, the only real answer I have to their bigotry is that as long as they keep it confined to within their own little group, and never take action against those they hate, we, as Americans need to accept that's just how they are. However, the moment they step out of their isolated property and begin to persecute or terrorize others, they must be held to the law of the land which forbids that kind of action. It's a very sticky situation, but to value our American beliefs that all have the freedom to believe what they choose, requires us allowing them to live as any other American--unless or until they choose to break laws. It's not a perfect solution, but it seems it the only one I can think of.
 @FormerMarineSgt Ok, then we're pretty much in agreement--we don't like them much, and I sure as hell hope they build a compound and never leave it--that would make everyone happy. Â
@chickysgirl - While I agree with you that their thoughts and attitudes towards people who do not fit their idea of the 'perfect race' is poison and abhorrant, I still have to believe that this country is made up of all kinds who have the right to whatever their belief is. "" - which is why in my comment that started all this I said - IN MY OPINION regarding what these racist folks should do. I do recognize that the Constitution allows them to say/think what they want.
 @chickysgirl  @FormerMarineSgt Exactly. "I disagree with what you say but I would defend to the death your right to say it" Like it or not, these folks have the right to be as racist as they want to be so long as they are not hurting anybody. Stopping them from saying what they want because you don't agree is just as "evil" as them persecuting people based on the color of their skin.
 @FormerMarineSgt Unfortunately I think this is the only country that has or would actually tolerate them. Another country would have taken them out over 30 years ago. I think we should round them all up and air drop them over Somalia.Â
 @FormerMarineSgt  Name one group other than the panthers that call white people "the enemy". There is none.
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@komoispropaganda - lots of groups - even right wing groups who are supported by tea party types use that kind of language - so don't hang only the group you don't agree with as being bad for doing so. You want to allow that, then I can make the comments I did about Christians and other groups. What I was doing was making a comparable comment to those being made against a group. If you can't tell that, it's not my fault. And I honestly don't care whether you think I was a Marine or not. My life doesn't exist around your approval - so let's move on and stop playing the insult game.
 @FormerMarineSgt This statement was released by the Black Panther headquarters just before the 2008 election:
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All your BS about blaming everyone and "republicans" is just more of your tripe. I hold no party and believe the entire leadership as corrupt.
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YOUR OP says specifically BLACK PANTHERS. not Christians or any other group.
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My response was to YOUR statement that black panthers are somehow a cuddly cute group and cannot be compared to a white supremacist.
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Fox news has called timeout on this issue, I have not.
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You call me a scapegoat rouser when you yourself fall back on irrelevant arguments.
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BTW, I don't believe you were ever a Marine either.
@BocaBob - and long ago, southern democrats are reputed to have started the KKK.  Doesn't mean that the democrats have anything to do with it anymore.
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I didn't refer to La raza. Don't assume that you know my opinion on things that aren't being discussed.
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Go look at the facts of TODAY dude. Not what you remember from history class.
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Oh - and nicely pathetic slam there about my military service.   I take it you ran out of real ideas so you went personal instead of finding other avenues for your dislike of my opinions. I'd give you an F for effort on that one.
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@komoispropaganda -- well, it's the 'opinion' of FOX NEWS that in the 2012 election ONE GUY was intimidating people at ONE polling place. In 2010 (or was is 2008?) there were two guys at one polling place. In both cases, they spoke to no one, simply stood there and did nothing. There were reports that they did more - but all that I've seen were debunked as rumors and false reports played up by the conservative news channels and right wing talking heads (who never got around to mentioning that what they were spewing about turned out to be false rumors).
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It's hardly possible to ascribe one guys actions as an indicator of what the entire group does.
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Or will you let me blame all Christians as terrorists because of the acts of the couple of abortion doctor killers?
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Or blame all democrats for wanting to destroy the country simply because FOX NEWS tells you to do so?
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Or blame all Republicans because of Bush and his folks used bad intelligence for thier decisions that got us into the Iraq war?
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If I did, I'd only be doing the same scapegoating that you are.
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HaHa ha very funny! You made my day. tool.
Falsely attributing these things to other groups simply because you don't like. Realyy the black panters a fun loving group? Please. I suppose La raza just anther  fun loving group as well and mean no harm. We are not gomer's you can order around like the buck sgt claim to have bin. . I agree with you on some of your points hate is hate. Just when they are white it in jumped on by the news and blogs. All should be reported and called what it is. I am white and really it's not all my fault.
From the beginning, the Black Panther Party's focus on militancy came with a reputation for violence. do a little research my freind happy Friday.
 @FormerMarineSgt "I don't see the black panthers advocating anything like racism or any other extreme radicalism these days"
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Intimidating people at the poles when obama first ran isn't hate? Oh, I get it. They were there to uh..... support obama so the intimidation and fear used by the panthers isn't hate based because it was for your glorious leader.... eh?
@Susabelle @T_BONE_WALKER @BocaBob -- there are those that will categorize any group that they want to throw up during an arguement as a hate group, even when they've 'radically' changed from what the extremisms that they advocated (or at least were attributed to them by others) in the past.
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I don't recall hearing anything about the 'brown berets', but I don't see the black panthers advocating anything like racism or any other extreme radicalism these days. I do see groups trying to heap that accusation upon them, but no real proof of it has crossed my computer.Â
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I will agree that hate is hate and intolerance is intolerance, but that cuts both ways. Falsely attributing these things to other groups simply because you don't like those groups is indeed hate and intolerance in and of itself. One must always be on guard to avoid the temptation to do it. Some folks however, will do it and blame other people for ignoring thier diatribes against certain groups. It's the exact same thing that white supremistists do against blacks, jews, mexicans, etc, etc (that is - falsely attribute these things to groups who don't actually do these negative things).
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 @T_BONE_WALKER  @BocaBob I think you need to do a little more research.
 @BocaBob  @Susabelle Actually, yes I would, I do not define a hate group based on the color of the hater's skin. Hate is hate, intolerance is intolerance, no matter the source and no matter the supposed excuses for the behavior.
 @BocaBob The panthers were a hate group? I thought they started out walking children to school in the ghettos and feeding the poor. Feeding the poor scared the government and thats when they became hated.
@Susabelle @FormerMarineSgt would you include other hate groups as well/ Like theblack pathers or The Brown Berets De Aztlan? (or similar groups) i don't care any of them(inclluding the skin heads) either. I agree with fmr sgt they all piosion our country.