Obama, Boehner to meet on 'fiscal cliff'

WASHINGTON (AP) - With time growing short and no "fiscal cliff" progress evident, President Barack Obama and Republican House Speaker John Boehner met for face-to-face negotiations late Thursday at the White House.
The meeting came shortly after Boehner publicly accused Obama of dragging out negotiations on a federal tax-and-spending agreement that would avoid an economy-threatening series of wide-ranging tax increases and spending cuts that could come in less than three weeks. Other Republicans said such a tactic seemed to be working in making it more likely a deal would include higher tax rates for the wealthy.
As the meeting started, the two sides appeared far apart on the issues, and Boehner was scheduled to return home to Ohio on Friday.
An impasse between Obama and Boehner, R-Ohio, over the president's demand for higher tax rates on household income over $250,000 continues to be a main obstacle in negotiations to avoid broad tax increases and spending cuts that will be triggered automatically on Jan. 1. Boehner says the president refuses to offer spending cuts to popular benefit programs like Medicare whose costs are rapidly rising.
"Unfortunately, the White House is so unserious about cutting spending that it appears willing to slow-walk any agreement and walk our economy right up to the fiscal cliff," Boehner told reporters Thursday.
But there's increasing resignation within the GOP that Obama is going to prevail on the rate issue since the alternative is to allow taxes on all workers to go way up when Bush-era tax cuts expire on Dec. 31.
"I think it's time to end the debate on rates," said Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C. "It's exactly what both parties are for. We're for extending the middle-class rates. We can debate the upper-end rates and what they are when we get into tax reform."
"He's got a full house and we're trying to draw an inside straight," said Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga. When it was observed that making a straight would still be a losing hand, Isakson said: "Yeah, I know."
Boehner remains the key figure, though, caught between a tea party faction and more pragmatic Republicans advising a tactical retreat. He dodged a question Thursday on whether he would be willing to schedule a vote that would permit the top two tax brackets on family income exceeding $250,000 and individual income over $200,000 to rise back to 1990s levels.
Meanwhile, one of Obama's top Senate allies said Thursday that an increase in the Medicare eligibility age is "no longer one of the items being considered by the White House" in negotiations.
Sen. Dick Durbin told reporters that he did not get the information directly from the president or the White House. But as the Senate's No. 2 Democrat, Durbin is regularly apprised of the status of negotiations by key players such as Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.
Senior White House aide Gene Sperling briefed Senate Democrats on the talks Thursday and declined to tell them whether the administration was taking the issue off the table, said a senator who was present. That senator spoke only on condition of anonymity since he was not authorized to describe a meeting that was confidential.
Increasing the eligibility age is a key demand by Republicans seeking cost curbs in popular benefit programs in exchange for higher tax revenues.
Durbin's comments on the Medicare eligibility age were surprising, since negotiators including Reid have been careful to not preclude the possibility of agreeing to such an increase - perhaps as a late-stage concession in a potential deal between Obama and Boehner.
At a news conference, Reid again called on House Republicans to allow a vote on renewing Bush-era tax cuts for the 98 percent of taxpayers whose incomes are below $250,000. Obama vows to force rates on family income exceeding $250,000 from a top rate of 35 percent to the Clinton-era rate of 39.6 percent. He said the alternative is to allow tax cuts for everyone to expire.
"At some point, reality should set in," Reid said.
Reid cited comments by Sen. John Cornyn of Texas to Politico.com, in which Cornyn, soon to be the No. 2 Senate Republican, said, "I believe we're going to pass the $250,000 and below sooner or later, and we really don't have much leverage" because those rates are going to expire anyway on Dec. 31.
On Thursday, Sen. Jim DeMint, a South Carolina Republican and leading conservative figure, predicted that Obama would prevail in the fight over taxes.
"He's going to get his wish. I believe we're going to be raising taxes, and not just on the top earners," DeMint, who is leaving the Senate to become president of the Heritage Institution think tank, said in an appearance on "CBS This Morning."
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Associated Press writer Jim Kuhnhenn contributed.
The meeting came shortly after Boehner publicly accused Obama of dragging out negotiations on a federal tax-and-spending agreement that would avoid an economy-threatening series of wide-ranging tax increases and spending cuts that could come in less than three weeks. Other Republicans said such a tactic seemed to be working in making it more likely a deal would include higher tax rates for the wealthy.
As the meeting started, the two sides appeared far apart on the issues, and Boehner was scheduled to return home to Ohio on Friday.
An impasse between Obama and Boehner, R-Ohio, over the president's demand for higher tax rates on household income over $250,000 continues to be a main obstacle in negotiations to avoid broad tax increases and spending cuts that will be triggered automatically on Jan. 1. Boehner says the president refuses to offer spending cuts to popular benefit programs like Medicare whose costs are rapidly rising.
"Unfortunately, the White House is so unserious about cutting spending that it appears willing to slow-walk any agreement and walk our economy right up to the fiscal cliff," Boehner told reporters Thursday.
But there's increasing resignation within the GOP that Obama is going to prevail on the rate issue since the alternative is to allow taxes on all workers to go way up when Bush-era tax cuts expire on Dec. 31.
"I think it's time to end the debate on rates," said Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C. "It's exactly what both parties are for. We're for extending the middle-class rates. We can debate the upper-end rates and what they are when we get into tax reform."
"He's got a full house and we're trying to draw an inside straight," said Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga. When it was observed that making a straight would still be a losing hand, Isakson said: "Yeah, I know."
Boehner remains the key figure, though, caught between a tea party faction and more pragmatic Republicans advising a tactical retreat. He dodged a question Thursday on whether he would be willing to schedule a vote that would permit the top two tax brackets on family income exceeding $250,000 and individual income over $200,000 to rise back to 1990s levels.
Meanwhile, one of Obama's top Senate allies said Thursday that an increase in the Medicare eligibility age is "no longer one of the items being considered by the White House" in negotiations.
Sen. Dick Durbin told reporters that he did not get the information directly from the president or the White House. But as the Senate's No. 2 Democrat, Durbin is regularly apprised of the status of negotiations by key players such as Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.
Senior White House aide Gene Sperling briefed Senate Democrats on the talks Thursday and declined to tell them whether the administration was taking the issue off the table, said a senator who was present. That senator spoke only on condition of anonymity since he was not authorized to describe a meeting that was confidential.
Increasing the eligibility age is a key demand by Republicans seeking cost curbs in popular benefit programs in exchange for higher tax revenues.
Durbin's comments on the Medicare eligibility age were surprising, since negotiators including Reid have been careful to not preclude the possibility of agreeing to such an increase - perhaps as a late-stage concession in a potential deal between Obama and Boehner.
At a news conference, Reid again called on House Republicans to allow a vote on renewing Bush-era tax cuts for the 98 percent of taxpayers whose incomes are below $250,000. Obama vows to force rates on family income exceeding $250,000 from a top rate of 35 percent to the Clinton-era rate of 39.6 percent. He said the alternative is to allow tax cuts for everyone to expire.
"At some point, reality should set in," Reid said.
Reid cited comments by Sen. John Cornyn of Texas to Politico.com, in which Cornyn, soon to be the No. 2 Senate Republican, said, "I believe we're going to pass the $250,000 and below sooner or later, and we really don't have much leverage" because those rates are going to expire anyway on Dec. 31.
On Thursday, Sen. Jim DeMint, a South Carolina Republican and leading conservative figure, predicted that Obama would prevail in the fight over taxes.
"He's going to get his wish. I believe we're going to be raising taxes, and not just on the top earners," DeMint, who is leaving the Senate to become president of the Heritage Institution think tank, said in an appearance on "CBS This Morning."
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Associated Press writer Jim Kuhnhenn contributed.
Well, we have re-elected the same people into office once again so why do we expect a different outcome. For the next four years nothing is going to change. Some of the people in these offices have been there for decades and they are going to do the same thing they have been doing for decades until some of them decide to retire.
The Department of Education's budget is roughly the same as amount as the revenue that would be generated by the Obama Envy Tax. Fair trade, no?
ITS OBAMA'S ECONOMY, not Boenhers.Â
Congress knew that this was coming for months and month and months. And what did they do? They completely abdicated responsibility to Obama, Boehner, and Reid. Congress knew this was coming and they all sat around and did nothing until the last minute. It's pathetic.Â
 @lakeview They were working on NFL players and steroid use, or something like that. You know the important stuff.
Stop sending Billions overseas.  Audit the Federal Reserve, keep them from sending their buddies money.  Stop military spending, not defense spending.  Open bases locally, close the 800+ bases all over the planet.  Americans need to read the Constitution, and realize that we now have an empire, one who invades others to keep the defense economy running.  Â
 @Hueski The problem is that even if we do all those things, it will close less than 1/3 the the deficit.
That's not a problem, that's a portion of the solution. You can't not do something because it doesn't solve the whole problem.
How about you two sit down in public, with a big computer screen in the background run by the CBO. As you make your proposals and counter-proposals, the screen will graph out how much of an effect it will actually have on the deficit, and the year that it would lead to a balanced budget. That way, we can see who is actually bringing more to the table. Go on, I DARE you to show people how much, and how little, you are BOTH taking about, compared to the magnitude of the problems we face.
 @RN1 That's a good idea! So, of course....
Cocktails and golf anyone?
This is where Obama gives your SSI and Medicare up for privatization. Thats all Wall St wants out of this, the last big piles of money in this country. They cant get their grimy fingers on it as long as its a tax but once its privatized, its theirs.
 @T_BONE_WALKER One way or the other our government will continue with outright "extortion" of American citizens for their collective failures to represent the American people. There's nothing off limits to our corrupt leaders.....
Another groundhog day.
2/3 of Americans polled want a compromise. However, neither side is willing to offer much compromise so far. So much for these politicians following the will of the people.
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Unfortunately, we will have a short term memory and vote in the same people during the next election cycle. It's funny how difficult it is for people to find their personally elected officials at fault (It's the always those elected officials over there mentality). It must be a pride issue over voting them in to begin with. Either that or there is some fantastic pork spending going on. Maybe even a combo of both.
@Paddy Both and more. "Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that fellow behind the tree.â U.S. Senator Russell Long. The same goes for spending cuts.
JUST DO IT (already)!! - can I expect to hear from Phil Knight's lawyers now? :-)
They'll need an anvil and some Acme dynamite.
...so when it comes to this cliff issue, that is not a promo photo for announcement of lead characters of remake of "Dumb & Dumber"??
Mr President, please push Mr Boner over the cliff.
@northwestsurfer I see you are spreading you stupidity again.
@justsayin No, naming yourself after a saying that has been beaten into the ground and worn out like "It is what it is" is stupid. "Justsayin" is annoying, and I cant stand it when people add that to the end of their sentence, as if we were not aware that you were "Just sayin"/
Surfer, like you never do? All your comments are on file, you know.
@factchekr Enlighten me.
Forward BHO like your campaign slogan.Go off the cliff..
Thanks for coming Mr. Boehner. I just wanted to remind you that I am the president.
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You may go now.
@bobalouie Works for me and him.
Sweet..... Democrips and Rebloodlicans. Â Way to take care of your gangs. Â
Looking forward to more spending for the Syrian and Iran invasions so my kid's grandchildren will have to pay for the deficit. Â Amazing since after WW2, we've been in a so called "War" for more than half of that time. Â What's up with that? Â Just waiting for the next False Flag Boogie Man to be scared of. Â We signed a Nuke treaty for dismantlement, and to stop testing of Nukes. Â We expect others to abide by it. Â Did you know we broke it last week, testing? Â Nope! Â In Nevada. Â Did you know there is other ways to create nuclear power? Nope! Â It doesn't allow us to make bombs though. Â Thorium -Â http://www.ensec.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=187%3Athorium-as-a-secure-nuclear-fuel-alternative&catid=94%3A0409content&Itemid=342 Â Â I pray for America to wake up and stop believing their leaders lies and promises. Â I still am waiting for a promise from the first Bush president. Â Our government is based on bribes by corporations by way of lobbyists and so called donations, not your needs.
 @Hueski I like the fact you're p.o. you should be and more..... so should I. It will take the masses to get riled up before hope and change can happen..... good luck. :D)