Anti-jihad 'savage' ads going up in NYC subway

NEW YORK (AP) - A provocative ad that equates Muslim radicals with savages is set to go up in the city's subway system as violent protests over an anti-Islamic film ridiculing the Prophet Muhammad sweep over much of the Muslim world.
A conservative blogger who once headed a campaign against an Islamic center near the Sept. 11 terror attack site won a court order to post the ad in 10 subway stations next Monday. The ad reads, "In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad."
The ad was plastered on San Francisco city buses in recent weeks, prompting some artists to deface the ads and remove some of the words, including "Jihad," or holy war. The blogger, Pamela Geller, said she filed suit Thursday in the nation's capital to post the ad in Washington's transit system after officials declined to put up the ad in light of the uproar in the Middle East over the anti-Islam film.
Abdul Yasar, a New York subway rider who considers himself an observant Muslim, said Geller's ad was insensitive in an unsettling climate for Muslims.
"If you don't want to see what happened in Libya and Egypt after the video - maybe not so strong here in America - you shouldn't put this up," Yasar said.
But "if this is a free country, they have the right to do this," he said. "And then Muslims have the right to put up their own ad."
Geller, executive director of the American Freedom Defense Initiative and publisher of a blog called Atlas Shrugs, called an order by a federal judge in New York allowing the ads "a victory for the First Amendment" and said she wasn't concerned that her ad could spark protests like the ones against the depiction of Muslims in the video "Innocence of Muslims." Violence linked to the movie has left at least 30 people in seven countries dead, including the American ambassador to Libya.
"If it's not a film it's a cartoon, if it's not a cartoon it's a teddy bear," she said. "What are you going to do? Are you going to reward Islamic extremism? I will not sacrifice my freedom so as not to offend savages."
New York police aren't anticipating adding any security to subways when the ads go up and have received no threats or reports of violence relating to them, chief spokesman Paul Browne said.
The Metropolitan Transportation Authority in New York initially refused to run Geller's ad, saying it was "demeaning." But U.S. District Court Judge Paul Engelmayer ruled last month that it is protected speech under the First Amendment.
"Our hands are tied," MTA spokesman Aaron Donovan said. "Under our existing ad standards as modified by the injunction, the MTA is required to run the ad."
Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, backed publication of the "patently offensive" ads.
"More offensive would be their censorship because that would violate the guarantee of free expression of all ideas regardless of how distasteful they are," she said.
Geller said the subway ads cost about $6,000. Donovan said they will be up for a month.
Opponents say the ads imply that Muslims are savages.
"We recognize the freedom of speech issues and her right to be a bigot and a racist," said Muneer Awad, the executive director of the New York chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
But he said he hopes elected officials and the MTA, which runs the nation's largest mass transit system, "take on a leadership role in denouncing hate speech."
Geller, as head of a group called Stop Islamization of America, helped spur a monthslong campaign two years ago to remove a planned Islamic community center blocks from the World Trade Center site, which she called the "ground zero mosque." Plans to build a larger center are pending, although Muslims still have regular prayer services at a mosque in the building.
When the ad ran in San Francisco from Aug. 13 to Sept. 4, transit officials took the unusual step of running disclaimers on the sides of the buses, while some artists painted over "Jihad" or photoshopped pictures that said instead, "Defeat Racism."
Geller's group has also placed ads in Metro-North Railroad stations north of New York City that read: "It's not Islamophobia, it's Islamorealism."
The Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority hadn't seen Geller's lawsuit on Thursday, spokesman Dan Stessel said. The agency told Geller the ad would be "deferred" because of the ongoing violence in the Middle East, he said.
"To be clear, we have not rejected the ad," Stessel said, but "merely asked the advertiser to be sensitive to the timing of the placement out of a concern for public safety, given current world events."
A conservative blogger who once headed a campaign against an Islamic center near the Sept. 11 terror attack site won a court order to post the ad in 10 subway stations next Monday. The ad reads, "In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad."
The ad was plastered on San Francisco city buses in recent weeks, prompting some artists to deface the ads and remove some of the words, including "Jihad," or holy war. The blogger, Pamela Geller, said she filed suit Thursday in the nation's capital to post the ad in Washington's transit system after officials declined to put up the ad in light of the uproar in the Middle East over the anti-Islam film.
Abdul Yasar, a New York subway rider who considers himself an observant Muslim, said Geller's ad was insensitive in an unsettling climate for Muslims.
"If you don't want to see what happened in Libya and Egypt after the video - maybe not so strong here in America - you shouldn't put this up," Yasar said.
But "if this is a free country, they have the right to do this," he said. "And then Muslims have the right to put up their own ad."
Geller, executive director of the American Freedom Defense Initiative and publisher of a blog called Atlas Shrugs, called an order by a federal judge in New York allowing the ads "a victory for the First Amendment" and said she wasn't concerned that her ad could spark protests like the ones against the depiction of Muslims in the video "Innocence of Muslims." Violence linked to the movie has left at least 30 people in seven countries dead, including the American ambassador to Libya.
"If it's not a film it's a cartoon, if it's not a cartoon it's a teddy bear," she said. "What are you going to do? Are you going to reward Islamic extremism? I will not sacrifice my freedom so as not to offend savages."
New York police aren't anticipating adding any security to subways when the ads go up and have received no threats or reports of violence relating to them, chief spokesman Paul Browne said.
The Metropolitan Transportation Authority in New York initially refused to run Geller's ad, saying it was "demeaning." But U.S. District Court Judge Paul Engelmayer ruled last month that it is protected speech under the First Amendment.
"Our hands are tied," MTA spokesman Aaron Donovan said. "Under our existing ad standards as modified by the injunction, the MTA is required to run the ad."
Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, backed publication of the "patently offensive" ads.
"More offensive would be their censorship because that would violate the guarantee of free expression of all ideas regardless of how distasteful they are," she said.
Geller said the subway ads cost about $6,000. Donovan said they will be up for a month.
Opponents say the ads imply that Muslims are savages.
"We recognize the freedom of speech issues and her right to be a bigot and a racist," said Muneer Awad, the executive director of the New York chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
But he said he hopes elected officials and the MTA, which runs the nation's largest mass transit system, "take on a leadership role in denouncing hate speech."
Geller, as head of a group called Stop Islamization of America, helped spur a monthslong campaign two years ago to remove a planned Islamic community center blocks from the World Trade Center site, which she called the "ground zero mosque." Plans to build a larger center are pending, although Muslims still have regular prayer services at a mosque in the building.
When the ad ran in San Francisco from Aug. 13 to Sept. 4, transit officials took the unusual step of running disclaimers on the sides of the buses, while some artists painted over "Jihad" or photoshopped pictures that said instead, "Defeat Racism."
Geller's group has also placed ads in Metro-North Railroad stations north of New York City that read: "It's not Islamophobia, it's Islamorealism."
The Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority hadn't seen Geller's lawsuit on Thursday, spokesman Dan Stessel said. The agency told Geller the ad would be "deferred" because of the ongoing violence in the Middle East, he said.
"To be clear, we have not rejected the ad," Stessel said, but "merely asked the advertiser to be sensitive to the timing of the placement out of a concern for public safety, given current world events."
She claims free speech...but there are limits on that freedom that people tend to conveniently forget. At this point in time, posting anti-Islamic ads is kind of like yelling "fire" in a crowded building. The entire issue is that she isn't going to be effected by the repercussions of her "free speech." Likely, it will be...oh say, an ambassador or some other person who has to suffer or die because she thinks she has a "right" to do whatever she wants. Nothing is your "right" when it infringes on the rights of others.
 @Jac "At this point in time, posting anti-Islamic ads is kind of like yelling "fire" in a crowded building."
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Utter nonsense. This only makes sense if you consider radical muslims to be animals without any ability to control themselves. In which case the civilized world should simply exterminate them
 @LockesChild  @Jac You are an idiot if you think that America is the most hated country in the world for no reason at all. We INCITE violence. We SLAUGHTER innocent people in illegal wars all over the world. Why don't you push the goats out of your bed for a minute and pick up a flipping history book and newspaper NOT part of mainstream media and learn a think or two.
@LockesChild I don't doubt a person's ability to exhibit self-control but I do doubt that there is the desire to do so.
@LockesChild @Jac -- I have no argument against what you just said, in fact I agree. The situation really is lose-lose. Either you apologize and try a peaceful approach, and the result is what you described or you speak out against them and fuel their cause in other ways. No matter what you do, the outcome will be the same because the underlying goal of the Jihadists will not change; eliminate the infidels. "See how they apologize? See how the impure try to fool us by putting up this facade of tolerance and forgiveness?" -or- "See how they mock us? See how the impure slander us and defame our God?" The point I'm trying to make is that this woman is going to get people killed or hurt, at best. It is not her right to put them in jeopardy. Unfortunately, I don't see any solution that will not involve more conflict but I personally see no reason to poke a stick into the hornet's nest and risk getting everyone stung, when there are better ways to get rid of the beehive.
 @Jac Why exert self-control when indulging in your impulse has so few negative benefits? Every time civilization apologizes to these savages for the insult of being civilized they are just encouraged to act like savages even more.
I wonder if Pamela Geller considers these 30,000 Libyans who marched today against extremism to be "savages" also?
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 @Sutekh Are they jihadist? Well, no. They are marching against the jihadists. So easy even an appeaser like you could figure it out.
 @LockesChild  @Sutekh Shocking that you are a Jew lockeschild.
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 @Sutekh Only if YOU consider those 30,000 Libyans to be Muslim radicals.
The rest of us who aren't Jewish, Christian, or Muslim instigators have to live in this world too.Â
Not if the radicals have their way. You don't have to "live" .... in this or any world.
 @HonkeyCat You mean radical false Christians like in America who slaughtered innocent Iraqi men , women, and children right?
Why not just continue with "hate" it's obviously working out well..... (jeepers)
"...prompting some artists to deface the ads..."Â Um, since when are vandals considered artists?
Never before have I taken notice of how many Muslim's are in our government. I don't trust a single one of them and will vote against any that are within my voting area. I've seen enough.
 @Wishing1 I feel this way about the evangelic Christians.Â
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First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me-- and there was no one left to speak out for me.
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@Sutekh  Maybe you should pass this along to the Muslims who espouse peace and remain silent when their more radical cousins murder innocent civilians in the name of Alah.
 @Sutekh  @Wishing1 You are going WAAAAY over their heads with that. These are the same people who don't want to have health insurance because they will never need it...
 @Wishing1 Well theirs that true american spirit...You know, you can be muslim and american right?
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"...and could you direct me to Macy's? My GPS is acting up again. I hear they have a good sale on hijabs and burkhas this weekend. Thanks...NOW DIE!"
 @Sid Vishess Sound like Achmed, the dead terrorist
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Disclaimer: Mr. Vishess refers only to Jihadi Sect of TRTMNBN, not peaceful, law-abiding members that do not condone violent jihad.
"Support Israel. Defeat Jihad."
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Amen.
 @newspuppy If you paid attention at all, God has rejected you Jews. You are NOT his people. Sorry.
 @newspuppy Couldn't of said it better
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MEDIA BIAS is very clear in this article:
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First, the opening line: "A provocative ad that equates Muslim radicals with savages is set to go up.." is an editorial statement, a perception, but not the plain facts.  It would be more accurate to say that the ad equates viloent jihadists with savages.
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Then the statements "while some artists painted over..."Â one could call them artists, or one could call them vandals.... we see which term the AP chose.
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 @newspuppy You could not be more wrong. This incites violence and in true American ignorant fashion, you lap it up and mistakenly think we are pure and innocent in whats going on in the Middle East.
I agree... The media doesn't want to take sides...LOL and just report the news..
IMO, the radical muslims that are out there, are the same as the other radical religious groups, and they all ARE savages...
""We recognize the freedom of speech issues and her right to be a bigot and a racist," said Muneer Awad, the executive director of the New York chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations"
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So muslims are a race? Who knew? And CAIR, unsurprisingly, equates jihadists to all muslims? Again, who knew that the terrorist-supporting CAIR would take that position.
 @LockesChild Sigh. You might try looking up the word "jihad" in the dictionary sometime.
 @Sutekh yawn. such an apologist looking for ways to make the violent "holy war" radicals somehow acceptable. Someone who if they weren't justifying pograms were themselves kapos.
 @Sutekh  @LockesChild lol
""If you don't want to see what happened in Libya and Egypt after the video - maybe not so strong here in America - you shouldn't put this up," Yasar said."
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Really, Yasar? Maybe if  you don't want to see dead fanatics maybe they shouldn't try that garbage here.
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The poster equated jihadists with savages-not Muslims. As we have been told uncountable times, muslims != jihadists. Were we wrong, Yasar?
Muslims - if you do not like it here and the freedoms we have please LEAVE!!!!
 @Truth Percolates Like the muslims that were BORN in America? Why don't YOU get the frack out of MY country since MY natives were here before you murderous pale sc um came along!
 @Truth Percolates Jihadists, not muslims in general. Something that the AP doesn't really comprehend.
"I hate these people for hating us"
I was raised as a Jew, and these anti-Palestinian ads make me absolutely sick to my stomach.
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Dehumanizing entire populations is what led to the Holocaust. Pamela Geller should be ashamed of herself for using this hateful, Nazi-style propaganda.
 @Sutekh As compared to the Islamic Nazi style propaganda?Â
the only thing that needs to be done to these ads is to remove "support Isreal"
 @Sutekh It's obvious to me you haven't read what's all over Middle Eastern media and hence are clueless. Do yourself a favor and travel the world a little.
 @Lbaba I have no idea what you're talking about. Please be a tad more specific.
 @Sutekh  @Lbaba Sure you do.
 @Sutekh Yeah, because knifing babies is so civilized.
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Jihadi are savages. That you refuse to recognize that and even blame the victim, Israel and the USA, is pathetic. That you call this Nazi-style propaganda is simply ignorant.
 @LockesChild  @Sutekh Everyone knows LockesChild is just one of many paid Jews to troll the internet to support their murderous ways against the Palestinians. Sorry Lockes, we are onto your schemes and BS. The Jews are doing EXACTLY what Hitler did to them in Europe. You have become your worst nightmare.
 @LockesChild  @Sutekh Sutukh is the total islamic apologist
 @Gaikokujin yes. He is this generation's kapo
 @LockesChild How strange. You accuse me of espousing a pro-baby-knifing stance, and yet an examination of my posts reveals no such sentiment. I wonder why somebody claiming the mantle of a famous philosopher would feel the need to make such a hilariously desperate accusation?
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Furthermore, you use the word "ignorant" to describe my post, while demonstrating that you don't even know what the word "jihad" means. Really, LC, you make this too easy.
 @Sutekh yet more boring attempts at spin. In the 21st century, jihad means savage violence. It doesn't matter what it meant 200 or 500 years. As for being pro-baby killer, any justification of savages who murder babies is pro-baby killer.
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As I posted elsewhere, you remind me of the kind of people who either excused anti-semitism or became kapos.
 @Sutekh I agree she should be ashamed. She does have free speech though, so there is no reason she can't post her stupid ads. Hopefully, they will be defaced. Violence from groups of people within one religion does not automatically make all followers of that religion violent. There are plenty of Christians not blowing up clinics, and plenty of Muslims not attacking embassies. The violence does need to stop, and it would be great if more Muslims stood up against the violence. There are Muslims doing so. There should be more.
 @two loons Jihadi == muslims? Are you sure you want to make that equivalence?