Battle over Christmas nativity display goes to LA court

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Damon Vix didn't have to go to court to push Christmas out of the city of Santa Monica. He just joined the festivities.
The atheist's anti-God message alongside a life-sized nativity display in a park overlooking the beach ignited a debate that burned brighter than any Christmas candle.
Santa Monica officials snuffed the city's holiday tradition this year rather than referee the religious rumble, prompting churches that have set up a 14-scene Christian diorama for decades to sue over freedom of speech violations. Their attorney will ask a federal judge Monday to resurrect the depiction of Jesus' birth, while the city aims to eject the case.
"It's a sad, sad commentary on the attitudes of the day that a nearly 60-year-old Christmas tradition is now having to hunt for a home, something like our savior had to hunt for a place to be born because the world was not interested," said Hunter Jameson, head of the nonprofit Santa Monica Nativity Scene Committee that is suing.
Missing from the courtroom drama will be Vix and his fellow atheists, who are not parties to the case. Their role outside court highlights a tactical shift as atheists evolve into a vocal minority eager to get their non-beliefs into the public square as never before.
National atheist groups earlier this year took out full-page newspaper ads and hundreds of TV spots in response to the Catholic bishops' activism around women's health care issues and are gearing up to battle for their own space alongside public Christmas displays in small towns across America this season.
"In recent years, the tactic of many in the atheist community has been, if you can't beat them, join them," said Charles Haynes, a senior scholar at the First Amendment Center and director of the Newseum's Religious Freedom Education Project in Washington. "If these church groups insist that these public spaces are going to be dominated by a Christian message, we'll just get in the game - and that changes everything."
In the past, atheists primarily fought to uphold the separation of church and state through the courts. The change underscores the conviction held by many nonbelievers that their views are gaining a foothold, especially among young adults.
The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life released a study last month that found 20 percent of Americans say they have no religious affiliation, an increase from 15 percent in the last five years. Atheists took heart from the report, although Pew researchers stressed that the category also encompassed majorities of people who said they believed in God but had no ties with organized religion and people who consider themselves "spiritual" but not "religious."
"We're at the bottom of the totem pole socially, but we have muscle and we're flexing it," said Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation. "Ignore our numbers at your peril."
The trouble in Santa Monica began three years ago, when Vix applied for and was granted a booth in Palisades Park alongside the story of Jesus Christ's birth, from Mary's visit from the Angel Gabriel to the traditional crèche.
Vix hung a simple sign that quoted Thomas Jefferson: "Religions are all alike -- founded on fables and mythologies." The other side read "Happy Solstice." He repeated the display the following year but then upped the stakes significantly.
In 2011, Vix recruited 10 others to inundate the city with applications for tongue-in-cheek displays such as an homage to the "Pastafarian religion," which would include an artistic representation of the great Flying Spaghetti Monster.
The secular coalition won 18 of 21 spaces. The two others went to the traditional Christmas displays and one to a Hanukkah display.
The atheists used half their spaces, displaying signs such as one that showed pictures of Poseidon, Jesus, Santa Claus and the devil and said: "37 million Americans know myths when they see them. What myths do you see?"
Most of the signs were vandalized and in the ensuing uproar, the city effectively ended a tradition that began in 1953 and earned Santa Monica one of its nicknames, the City of the Christmas Story.
The Santa Monica Nativity Scenes Committee argues in its lawsuit that atheists have the right to protest, but that freedom doesn't trump the Christians' right to free speech.
"If they want to hold an opposing viewpoint about the celebration of Christmas, they're free to do that - but they can't interfere with our right to engage in religious speech in a traditional public forum," said William Becker, attorney for the committee. "Our goal is to preserve the tradition in Santa Monica and to keep Christmas alive."
The city doesn't prohibit churches from caroling in the park, handing out literature or even staging a play about the birth of Jesus and churches can always set up a nativity on private land, Deputy City Attorney Jeanette Schachtner said in an email.
The decision to ban the displays also saves the city, which had administered the cumbersome lottery process used to award booths, both time and money while preserving the park's aesthetics, she said.
For his part, Vix is surprised - and slightly amused - at the legal battle spawned by his solitary act but doesn't plan anything further.
"That was such a unique and blatant example of the violation of the First Amendment that I felt I had to act," said the 44-year-old set builder. "If I had another goal, it would be to remove the 'under God' phrase from the Pledge of Allegiance - but that's a little too big for me to take on for right now."
The atheist's anti-God message alongside a life-sized nativity display in a park overlooking the beach ignited a debate that burned brighter than any Christmas candle.
Santa Monica officials snuffed the city's holiday tradition this year rather than referee the religious rumble, prompting churches that have set up a 14-scene Christian diorama for decades to sue over freedom of speech violations. Their attorney will ask a federal judge Monday to resurrect the depiction of Jesus' birth, while the city aims to eject the case.
"It's a sad, sad commentary on the attitudes of the day that a nearly 60-year-old Christmas tradition is now having to hunt for a home, something like our savior had to hunt for a place to be born because the world was not interested," said Hunter Jameson, head of the nonprofit Santa Monica Nativity Scene Committee that is suing.
Missing from the courtroom drama will be Vix and his fellow atheists, who are not parties to the case. Their role outside court highlights a tactical shift as atheists evolve into a vocal minority eager to get their non-beliefs into the public square as never before.
National atheist groups earlier this year took out full-page newspaper ads and hundreds of TV spots in response to the Catholic bishops' activism around women's health care issues and are gearing up to battle for their own space alongside public Christmas displays in small towns across America this season.
"In recent years, the tactic of many in the atheist community has been, if you can't beat them, join them," said Charles Haynes, a senior scholar at the First Amendment Center and director of the Newseum's Religious Freedom Education Project in Washington. "If these church groups insist that these public spaces are going to be dominated by a Christian message, we'll just get in the game - and that changes everything."
In the past, atheists primarily fought to uphold the separation of church and state through the courts. The change underscores the conviction held by many nonbelievers that their views are gaining a foothold, especially among young adults.
The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life released a study last month that found 20 percent of Americans say they have no religious affiliation, an increase from 15 percent in the last five years. Atheists took heart from the report, although Pew researchers stressed that the category also encompassed majorities of people who said they believed in God but had no ties with organized religion and people who consider themselves "spiritual" but not "religious."
"We're at the bottom of the totem pole socially, but we have muscle and we're flexing it," said Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation. "Ignore our numbers at your peril."
The trouble in Santa Monica began three years ago, when Vix applied for and was granted a booth in Palisades Park alongside the story of Jesus Christ's birth, from Mary's visit from the Angel Gabriel to the traditional crèche.
Vix hung a simple sign that quoted Thomas Jefferson: "Religions are all alike -- founded on fables and mythologies." The other side read "Happy Solstice." He repeated the display the following year but then upped the stakes significantly.
In 2011, Vix recruited 10 others to inundate the city with applications for tongue-in-cheek displays such as an homage to the "Pastafarian religion," which would include an artistic representation of the great Flying Spaghetti Monster.
The secular coalition won 18 of 21 spaces. The two others went to the traditional Christmas displays and one to a Hanukkah display.
The atheists used half their spaces, displaying signs such as one that showed pictures of Poseidon, Jesus, Santa Claus and the devil and said: "37 million Americans know myths when they see them. What myths do you see?"
Most of the signs were vandalized and in the ensuing uproar, the city effectively ended a tradition that began in 1953 and earned Santa Monica one of its nicknames, the City of the Christmas Story.
The Santa Monica Nativity Scenes Committee argues in its lawsuit that atheists have the right to protest, but that freedom doesn't trump the Christians' right to free speech.
"If they want to hold an opposing viewpoint about the celebration of Christmas, they're free to do that - but they can't interfere with our right to engage in religious speech in a traditional public forum," said William Becker, attorney for the committee. "Our goal is to preserve the tradition in Santa Monica and to keep Christmas alive."
The city doesn't prohibit churches from caroling in the park, handing out literature or even staging a play about the birth of Jesus and churches can always set up a nativity on private land, Deputy City Attorney Jeanette Schachtner said in an email.
The decision to ban the displays also saves the city, which had administered the cumbersome lottery process used to award booths, both time and money while preserving the park's aesthetics, she said.
For his part, Vix is surprised - and slightly amused - at the legal battle spawned by his solitary act but doesn't plan anything further.
"That was such a unique and blatant example of the violation of the First Amendment that I felt I had to act," said the 44-year-old set builder. "If I had another goal, it would be to remove the 'under God' phrase from the Pledge of Allegiance - but that's a little too big for me to take on for right now."
I don't mind at all if people choose to be athiest. But when they try to shove their beliefs down my throat it is really irritating.
I believe that Jesus Christ is the reason we celebrate Christmas. I believe i have the freedom of religion. I also believe that athiests have their rights as well. You see it is not my place to judge nor is it my place to put anyone down for their beliefs. So many people who comment on here can't write a comment without putting someone else down or calling them stupid. That is a waste of time. You will never change anyones mind by berating them. I will celebrate Christmas with my family as I have every year. If anyone doesn't wish to celebrate that is fine too. But one question I have is Did Damon Vix put up his disply with the quote by Thomas Jefferson because he really believed it or was it a way to get even with the nativity display? I hear so many times abouth the separation of church and state and not using public lands for Christian displays but Christians pay taxes also. I think that could mean that the parks belong to everyone who pays taxes.
 @taxpro I agree with your first comment, Lord knows I have had my run-ins with the likes of people you've profiled here. I do think it Is possible to believe in the "spirit" of goodwill, which, for an atheist like me, is my view of Christmas. It is unfortunate that too few real Christians understand the goodwill part.
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The atheist in Santa Monica had gotten a little notoriety and decided he could get more if he pushed the envelop. But instead of achieving his goal he only made the situation worse.
I say we put up a big 'ol Santa Claus in Seattle with a big fat blunt hanging out his mouth. That way he can be "flying high" in more ways then one when he delivers the presents for all the good boys and girls!
As a person who would categorize himself as more of a nihilist than an atheist and was raised in the free thinking Lutheran Church I would like to say to the Santa Monica Nativity Scenes Committee something that my mother likes to sayâ¦.
âAs long as Christmas is a live in your heart it will never be deadâ
This is the place for all religious beliefs, and disbeliefs, in your heart. Right, wrong or indifferent we will all find out in the end. Until then use your private property to display your beliefs and let others do the same.
Its unfortunate that the people have become so intolerant of others. I dont take part in the holidays by choice but I do enjoy seeing the lights and decorations up simply because it reminds me of growing up with family. People have just become too sensitive. Perhaps many were those children that were naughty, received coal all their youth and now want to get back at the holiday?
This is not different than saying, "You can't get married if you're gay. You can't commit suicide because I say it's wrong. You can't display Christmas stuff because it offends my eyes." If it doesn't physically affect you, BUTT OUT! Why is everybody so angry these days?
 @factchekr I agree. People who complain about how they don't like how Christians want to convert everyone should probably stop doing the same thing by trying to convert everyone to athiesm and going around putting up signs saying people are stupid for adhering to a religion. I have no respect for fundamentalists who think theirs is the only way - whether they are Christian or Athiest.
Its almost Christmas and people want to waste time and energy on this. This is so very stupid, I do not care if you believe or not. Everyone has a reason on why they do believe and why they don't. You can not fix everything in life the way YOU want. If I was living in another country, I would be watching the U.S. with laughter, knowing its falling apart. This is so embarrassing to the Untied States. What is next, people going to go to court to make everyone vegan because that is what they think is best and they are sick of seeing Meat everywhere.
I'm so glad I lived the majority of my life in a more tolerant country/time. This "ME" and "MY" mentality is leading us right into a generic way of life that has no meaning anymore. In order to give everyone their rights it's getting to the point where no one has any rights. We do have the right to live and let live, but that would be too easy.
Never have I seen this country as divided on SO many issues as it is now. What ever happened to "you do your thing, I'll do mine?" Now it's "YOUR beliefs offend me, so I'm taking you to court." "Democrats suck! NO Republicans suck!!" For crying out loud people, it's almost Christmas, can't we all just get along for the holiday season, and get back to our petty squabbling after the first of the year? What has this country become? I personally, don't like what I see.
 @Wolfen Keep the religious displays of of PUBLIC (i.e. government-owned) land and we won't complain.
 @Furd What makes you think that public land only belongs to people with your idealism? If you hate American freedom so much, why don't you find someplace else to live and leave everyone alone? You aren't required to like religions and their practices, and they aren't required to like you and your practices. Nothing like showing everyone how much of a baby you are. Â
 @Furd Uh, public land is PUBLIC land. Of and for the People.Â
 @Furd Yea you would. You'd FIND a reason to complain. Some God fearing farmer in the middle of NOWHERE could put a Nativity scene up in one of his fields, and if you saw it from the freeway, MILES away, you'd probably sue him for damaging your retinas with his religious "filth." Keep in mind, the more you find to complain about, the less relevant you become.
If atheists dont want to believe in God thats thier choice. But why do they force thier beliefs on the rest of the country? Why does the rest of the country have to suffer???
 @Busyhands Suffer?... It's not like you're getting nailed to a cross.
 @Busyhands What is a thier belief?
Believe this: "Jesus said, Celebrate my Death, not my Birth" it's not a celebration per say, it's more like a reminder of what Jesus sacrificed for all mankind.
Keep doing this in rememberance of me.
Luke 22:19
1Corinthians 11:24
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The Bible makes only 2 references to celebrating birthdays:
Genesis 40:20-- Â Phar'aohs birthday.
Matthew 14:6--- Â King Herods birthday.
 @Busyhands It's the Christians that are forcing their beliefs on the rest of us!  I'm sick and tired of seeing jesus everywhere!!!!!Â
 @SeaMonster I'm sick and tired of seeing advertisements for products I neither need nor want everywhere. But whining about it would be just as pointless and obnoxious.  Â
 @SeaMonster Jesus loves you, I do too and I feel pity for you pertaining to feeling attacking my faith will change your life. :D)
 @Busyhands It is the Christians who are "forcing their beliefs on the rest of the country" when they decide that they can use public space for their religious display.
 @felines99  @Busyhands And going and standing outside churches and church displays with signs saying that religious people are stupid (as in can't recognize myths) is being accepting and not pushing your beliefs on people? Really? Seriously? Wow.
 @Julia  @Busyhands Where did I defend such practices??? Really??? Seriously??? Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 @felines99 We can go back and forth with this all day and night and will still be the same. Religious people and atheists alike attempt to force their idealism on the rest of society. Both of them are huge babies about it, and neither of them really have anything valid to argue about. Â
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Here's a little bit of reality: Everyone needs to shut up and mind their own business and leave all this baby crap for babies and toddlers.
 @Julia First of all, CALM DOWN. Geesch!!!
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Second, what do you think the word "idealistic" means??? I have a hunch that we are not even talking about the same thing.
 @Sovereign  @felines99 I never BEGAN "sniveling".
 @felines99  You wouldn't term them idealistic? What about Richard Dawkins and all the psuedo-scientists who write books and are so incredibly vehement about proving there is no God and anyone who believes otherwise is an idiot? What about all the belittling of religious people that they can't recognize a myth or fairy tale? All of that is accepting? I've met many athiests and none of them have ever had anything truly accepting to say about a religious person. They are as religious about their non-God beliefs as fundamentalist religious people. I also find it funny that many think the Pagan ideas of Solstice and goddesses are ok. Three thousand years ago that would've been the major religion for them to put down and feel superior that they don't follow but for some reason it is accepted in the athiest community as "not stupid". What a bunch of hypocrites.
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 @felines99 ...and you're still sniveling...
 @Sovereign Correction: "Madalyn".
 @Sovereign  @felines99 Actually, with the exception of Madeline Murray O'Hair and her ilk, the atheists have by and large refrained from organizing and spreading any particular message. This started changing only a year or two ago. Also, I certainly wouldn't term atheism an "idealistic" ideology, or atheists "idealists".
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 @Bornhere You should assume NOTHING.
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And I can't help it if you were born in the sticks.
 Just curious how does a Nativity scene displayed personally attack you? Is it because it represents Christianity that bothers you? Maybe you should throw your money in the trash because after all it clearly states "In God we trust" ........@felines99
 @Sovereign Capiche???
 @Sovereign  @felines99 First, I am not a "sniveling atheist".
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Second, public land is not for use to promote a religious message, because of the separation of church and state. Non-believers do not have to counter such a display by erecting one with a different message. The Christians have to behave, obey the Constitution, and keep their religious displays on their private property.
 @felines99 If it's about basic fairness, then you should have no problem with it as public land is for use by the public. If you want, you can snivel your way over to the public land with a group of sniveling atheists and setup some non-religious holiday display and we'll all have to deal with it....you know...to be fair.
 @Funky-Munky I'm surprised that you have to ask. And I nowhere said that such a scene "personally attacks" me. It's about separation of church and state, and basic fairness. It's about not having a religious belief shoved down my throat, as happens in seemingly offensive "public displays". Fine if you display it on your own property, but not on "our" property. Thank you.
 @Funky-Munky  @felines99 It's only stated that since the whole Red Scare crap in the 50's...look at our money before then and it was not on there.
@Busyhands - If theists want to believe in fairy tales, that's their choice. But why do they force their beliefs on the rest of the country? Why does the rest of the country have to suffer???
 @Joe Schmoe  @Busyhands Just because one person does it doesn't make it ok for the other person to do it. Both side and their need to preach their way is the only way sucks.