Federal budget struggle raising anxiety for health care

WASHINGTON (AP) — Confused about the federal budget struggle? So are doctors, hospital administrators and other medical professionals who serve the 100 million Americans covered by Medicare and Medicaid.
Rarely has the government sent so many conflicting signals in so short a time about the bottom line for the health care industry.
Cuts are coming, says Washington, and some could be really big. Yet more government spending is also being promised as President Barack Obama's health care overhaul advances and millions of uninsured people move closer to getting government-subsidized coverage.
"Imagine a person being told they are going to get a raise, but their taxes are also going to go up and they are going to be paying more for gas," said Thornton Kirby, president of the South Carolina Hospital Association. "They don't know if they are going to be taking home more or less. That's the uncertainty when there are so many variables in play."
Real money is at stake for big hospitals and small medical practices alike. Government at all levels pays nearly half the nation's health care tab, with federal funds accounting for most of that.
It's widely assumed that a budget deal will mean cuts for Medicare service providers. But which ones? How much? And will Medicaid and subsidies to help people get coverage under the health care law also be cut?
As House Speaker John Boehner famously said: "God only knows." The Ohio Republican was referring to the overall chances of getting a budget deal, but the same can be said of how health care — one-sixth of the economy — will fare.
"There is no political consensus to do anything significant," said Dan Mendelson, president of Avalere Health, a market analysis firm. "There is a collective walking away from things that matter. All the stuff on the lists of options becomes impossible, because there is no give-and-take."
As if things weren't complicated enough, doctors keep facing their own recurring fiscal cliff, separate from the bigger budget battle but embroiled in it nonetheless.
Come Jan. 1, doctors and certain other medical professionals face a 26.5 percent cut in their Medicare payments, the consequence of a 1990s deficit-reduction law gone awry. Lawmakers failed to repeal or replace that law even after it became obvious that it wasn't working. Instead, Congress usually passes a "doc fix" each year to waive the cuts.
This year, the fix got hung up in larger budget politics. Although a reprieve is expected sooner or later, doctors don't like being told to sit in the congressional waiting room.
"It seems like there is a presumption that physicians and patients can basically tolerate this kind of uncertainty while the Congress goes through whatever political machinations they are going through," said Dr. Jeremy Lazarus, president of the American Medical Association. "Our concern is that physician uncertainty and anxiety about being able to pay the bills will have an impact on taking care of patients."
A recent government survey indicates that Medicare beneficiaries are having more problems when trying to find a new primary care doctor, and Lazarus said that will only get worse.
Adding to their unease, doctors also face an additional reduction if automatic spending cuts go through. Those would be triggered if Obama and congressional leaders are unable to bridge partisan differences and strike a deal. They are part of the combination of tax increases and spending cuts dubbed the "fiscal cliff."
Medicare service providers would get hit with a 2 percent across-the-board cut, but Medicaid and subsidies for the uninsured under Obama's health care overhaul would be spared. The Medicare cut adds up to about $120 billion over ten years, with 40 percent falling on hospitals, according to Avalare's analysis. Nursing homes, Medicare Advantage plans and home health agencies also get hit.
The American Hospital Association says that would lead to the loss of hundreds of thousands of hospital jobs in a labor intensive industry that also generates employment for other businesses in local communities.
"It's very difficult to believe hospitals can absorb the kinds of numbers they are talking about without reducing service or workforce," said Kirby, the hospital association head. "You may decide that a service a hospital provides is not affordable — for example, obstetrics in a rural community — if you're making a little bit of money or losing a little bit of money by continuing to deliver babies in a rural community."
Independent analysts like Mendelson doubt that a 2 percent Medicare cut to hospitals would be catastrophic, but say it will cost jobs somewhere.
Even if there is a budget deal, the squeeze will be on.
The administration has proposed $400 billion in health care cuts so far in the budget talks, coming mainly from Medicare spending. That's only a starting point as far as Republicans are concerned. They also want to pare back Medicaid and Obama's health care law, and have also sought an increase in the eligibility age for Medicare.
Rarely has the government sent so many conflicting signals in so short a time about the bottom line for the health care industry.
Cuts are coming, says Washington, and some could be really big. Yet more government spending is also being promised as President Barack Obama's health care overhaul advances and millions of uninsured people move closer to getting government-subsidized coverage.
"Imagine a person being told they are going to get a raise, but their taxes are also going to go up and they are going to be paying more for gas," said Thornton Kirby, president of the South Carolina Hospital Association. "They don't know if they are going to be taking home more or less. That's the uncertainty when there are so many variables in play."
Real money is at stake for big hospitals and small medical practices alike. Government at all levels pays nearly half the nation's health care tab, with federal funds accounting for most of that.
It's widely assumed that a budget deal will mean cuts for Medicare service providers. But which ones? How much? And will Medicaid and subsidies to help people get coverage under the health care law also be cut?
As House Speaker John Boehner famously said: "God only knows." The Ohio Republican was referring to the overall chances of getting a budget deal, but the same can be said of how health care — one-sixth of the economy — will fare.
"There is no political consensus to do anything significant," said Dan Mendelson, president of Avalere Health, a market analysis firm. "There is a collective walking away from things that matter. All the stuff on the lists of options becomes impossible, because there is no give-and-take."
As if things weren't complicated enough, doctors keep facing their own recurring fiscal cliff, separate from the bigger budget battle but embroiled in it nonetheless.
Come Jan. 1, doctors and certain other medical professionals face a 26.5 percent cut in their Medicare payments, the consequence of a 1990s deficit-reduction law gone awry. Lawmakers failed to repeal or replace that law even after it became obvious that it wasn't working. Instead, Congress usually passes a "doc fix" each year to waive the cuts.
This year, the fix got hung up in larger budget politics. Although a reprieve is expected sooner or later, doctors don't like being told to sit in the congressional waiting room.
"It seems like there is a presumption that physicians and patients can basically tolerate this kind of uncertainty while the Congress goes through whatever political machinations they are going through," said Dr. Jeremy Lazarus, president of the American Medical Association. "Our concern is that physician uncertainty and anxiety about being able to pay the bills will have an impact on taking care of patients."
A recent government survey indicates that Medicare beneficiaries are having more problems when trying to find a new primary care doctor, and Lazarus said that will only get worse.
Adding to their unease, doctors also face an additional reduction if automatic spending cuts go through. Those would be triggered if Obama and congressional leaders are unable to bridge partisan differences and strike a deal. They are part of the combination of tax increases and spending cuts dubbed the "fiscal cliff."
Medicare service providers would get hit with a 2 percent across-the-board cut, but Medicaid and subsidies for the uninsured under Obama's health care overhaul would be spared. The Medicare cut adds up to about $120 billion over ten years, with 40 percent falling on hospitals, according to Avalare's analysis. Nursing homes, Medicare Advantage plans and home health agencies also get hit.
The American Hospital Association says that would lead to the loss of hundreds of thousands of hospital jobs in a labor intensive industry that also generates employment for other businesses in local communities.
"It's very difficult to believe hospitals can absorb the kinds of numbers they are talking about without reducing service or workforce," said Kirby, the hospital association head. "You may decide that a service a hospital provides is not affordable — for example, obstetrics in a rural community — if you're making a little bit of money or losing a little bit of money by continuing to deliver babies in a rural community."
Independent analysts like Mendelson doubt that a 2 percent Medicare cut to hospitals would be catastrophic, but say it will cost jobs somewhere.
Even if there is a budget deal, the squeeze will be on.
The administration has proposed $400 billion in health care cuts so far in the budget talks, coming mainly from Medicare spending. That's only a starting point as far as Republicans are concerned. They also want to pare back Medicaid and Obama's health care law, and have also sought an increase in the eligibility age for Medicare.
If anyone thinks they are poor now, just wait. The federal and local governments on every level wants more from you and me.Â
Here is a fact for all to consider. my mother passed away this year. She received a spouse pension from a major corporation ,net was about $300.  The payment before health care deduction was over $500. I received a letter stating the cost of healthcare in 2013 will be more than the total payment,and if she had lived would have to send a check for over $200..Â
 If AMERICA does not stop spending NOW . Or there will be nothing in 2014 for anyone. Spending is the problem.Â
Uproar already? Â The guy was overwhelmingly elected - especially by the people of this State. Â Are you and the medical community finding out there is no "real" plan? Â Chaos? Â Confusion?
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Calm down. Â He'll point the finger and name names so we can shift our focus off our duly elected "leader" onto others and hate them. Â He'll be back on TV talk shows soon enough because he sees himself as a star - not as a President leading people. Â Didn't all the other Presidents go on TV daily, weekly, and divide Americans to get the focus off themselves?
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I voted for the guy. Â Someone tell him the election is over. Â He needs to try spending time in Washington DC, compromising with the other politicians and get our work done. Â Stop dividing us. Â Stop pointing fingers like a little child if you don't get your way. Â Roll your sleeves up, look how other President's got things done.
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It's called leadership. Â Leadership - you lead. Â Not divide or bad mouth
The same people who made the Post Office a raging success will soon be controlling our Health Care.
Thank you Democrats.
Yep Obama &  Obamacare is really going to take care of us. huge increases in health care payments, Huge bumps in taxes. 10's of trillions in new  debt. No way doctors are going to treat Medicaid and Medicare patients when it cost 50% more to treat than the goverment is paying and they are looking at a 25% decrease in new payments.. Try and get a doctor to accept you if your on those plans. Not gonna happen. Total lunacy. and we elected this, or rather you elected this into office. Mexico is looking better all the time .
@Ringmaster2000 I want Obama Care and tax hikes for the wealthy. I don't want my home mortgage write-off taken away. When you say..."Total lunacy and we elected this, or rather you elected this into office. Mexico is looking better all the time." The fact is that the election is over and it's time to get move forward and let the deal play out. REPUBLICANS are holding everything hostage my friend and unless you are in the 4% you are and will be a victim of their evil.
 @teahater I'm not a Republican, but you need to learn more or think back about political history and how legislation has been made over the past 40-years.  It's called compromising between parties - not dividing Americans and inciting them to hate the other party.  Leaders find a way to make deals; the art of compromise.Â
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A President is supposed to represent all the people - not just his color or his party of affiliation.  This is not Nazi Germany.  It is not a one party or one skin regime.
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Lead by example. Â And the example here has dictator all over it. Â What laws he will order not to enforce (American law by the way put in place by Congress - your representatives); continuing to stump the campaign trail to incite us more and more against each other.
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No President in history has spent as much time on TV talk shows, as much time away from the White House, or openly worked to divide America as much as he has. Â I thought he would stop and began leading once he was re-elected. Â His way or the highway. Â That is not representing all America. Â
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And unlike other Presidents, he has never, not once, shown us in print - "his" plan. Â Im beginning to think he doesn't have one. Â
 @teahater  @sentryone What you state is the problem "unwillingess to compromise to the winning party." We do not elect party,we elect people to represent US.Â
 You are considered by some to be well off,have much are you willing to pay in taxes for a trickle down to those less fortunate than you ?Â
@teahater i don't actually care what party is holding up the show. us taxpayers have no control and are along for the ride. i see my healthcare budget balloon every year, higher co pays, more in taxes, and yep i have zero to do about it but whine. My sister the doctor cut all medicaid/medicare patients, and she is the norm. This is why i am angry at washington.  there will be no winners among the people who pay the bills.
@sentryone @teahater I hear you sentry...I need to remember to breath.   I've been around since Johhnson and have seen a lot of presidents come and go. Personally I think Nixon was the worst. IMO I *think* most thought Clinton would be the worst at the same times during his tenure. I personally liked GHWB the best. My angst is clearly aimed at the REPUBLICANS and their unwillingess to compromise to the winning party. This represetning the tie breaker as it were in budget policy by mandate. Lets get past the cliff and move on. I don't see it is terms of myway or hyway on the demo side.  Â
@Ringmaster2000 We have insurance through my husband. My daughter went to the dictor last month. I just got the explanation of benefits. They billed $246.00 for office visit and $145.00 for lab services. Our insurance paid half becuase that is the contracted amount. Why does the medical clinic charge those prices for a 7 minute appointment when they know exactly what the insurance will pay.
I certainly hope that there are not significant cuts in Medicare/Medicaid for nursing homes. I work in management in Long Term Care and we simply cannot absorb that cut. Currently we are paid $165 a day for Medicaid patients. This doesnt begin to cover the cost of 24 hour nursing care, food, housekeeping, activities, social services much less the upkeep and improvement of major equipment. Medicare pays better but the therapy benchmarks etc are unrealistic for most patients to make. If you dont make the benchmark, you dont get paid. And people wonder why grandma waits 20 minutes for her call light to be answered ow why Grandpa has to share a room with someone who screams all night.
 @EMDF9A $5000 a month? And that isn't enough profit for these warehouses? The truth is its planety of money but the rampant greed by both workers and the owners on the rest homes is destroying it for everyone.
 @Blindman  @EMDF9A Do you have any idea of the costs next month ? The added burden of higher insurance,fuel,food , additional training. Are you kidding me. my mother was in one,I never saw more dedicated and hard working people.Â
@Blindman $5000 profit? You have GOT to be kidding! Do you know what a 24 hour a day RN costs? Do you have any idea what a 10:1 CNA ratio costs? Do you have any idea what it costs to FEED people? The drugs they need? The care of the building and the groundskeeping? The insurrance? Its a helluva a lot more than $5000 a month!
I love that medicade wouldn't be affected. The people on welfare always seem to come out on top of the pile while everyone else bites the bullet. That having been said. I was in the hosptial recently and the wrist band I had which links the goods and services by scan to my bill in the computer was used like an ATM machine. I had things charged to that visit which I never even received....I know this because the things I was to be sent home with didn't go home with me. I also refused some of the meds and shots and they were already scanned into the account. So if the hospitals had to cut some of that stuff out I'm sure they could start by cutting out some of the waste and overdoing I seen while I was there. Our government is ineffective and they are making everyone nervous. Must be something politically in it for them to behave like this.
Come on, Mr. Socialist! Do something!Â
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@the unvarnished truth @Contract Killer What America economy and health care system are his and his alone?
the unvarnished truth , how about those who caused the subprime mortgage crisis?   i think those geniuses are the central cause of our economic collapse as well as the world's economy.
@Maynard G Krebbs  It was neither a mistake or an accident. It was just the groundwork for the New World Order ------> Socialism via Economic Collapse. Unlike most innocent people or simple people, these snakes have the ability to look ahead to 100 to 1000 years to achieve their goal, which is to dominate the entire world's economy, politics, and people's lives...
 @Special Force That would be Democrats. President Bush tried to fix it. barney {not the dinosaur second thought] Frank stated everything was fine.  These are the same genius that drew up a banking bill called Dodd/Frank,that now has destroyed the bank lending business. Â
All I got to say is this, I will never vote for another republician. They have fought to make the man that the majority of our country voted into office look bad for the last 4 years by not giving him any support or if they did they have fought him all the way and now we are in some more trouble and they are willing to just flush the whole country down the toilet hoping to make him look bad. Well he don't look bad to me the republicians look bad, spoiled little rich boys that didn't quite make it to the top but don't want to share or save the country. Guess they haven't realized that when we all can't spend any money on the goods they don't get any profit either so they still come out losers.
@yoda The House was not voted in to support the president. House of Representatives, not House of the President. They were voted in to do the bidding of those they Represent, they held onto the majority in the House and have an obligation to those that voted them in.
I clearly recall when GWB was in office, how you libs were railing against the annual deficits. Now, not a peep. Meanwhile, Barry continues to spend into oblivion, and if it wasn't for the R's, even more. This guy wants a blank check, and you bemoan the R's? GET REAL!
 @yoda So tell me oh great yoda,how do you keep spending without income.  The federal government takes in 6 billion a day but spends 10 billion. How long can this go on ?  the proposed tax the "rich" would only pay for about 8 1/2 days of government spending . What about the  other 358 ?  let the Obama tax increases begin .
If you are talking about the impending tax increases they are not Obama's but tax stimuluses from presidents Clinton and Bush that are expiring. They will raise taxes on the middle class but also hurt the working poor. The sad thing is that in this country we have some of the best health care in the world yet so many can't access it because they have no insurance. Maybe this plan was not the best but can you do better? Do you have solutions. I don't. I cant even fathom how to fix this mess. I don't think it can be done in four year or even 8 years. The problems are to big. I think of myself. My resolution for 2012 was to pay off credit card debt. It has taken all year but by April I will be done.
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@the unvarnished truth @yoda the taxes that will hit the American Middle Class are the fault of the REPUBLICANS. There is no shift required to move the burden from the wealthy to the middle class. 4% of America owns 80 of the wealth. If Obama removed health care reform from the agenda today REPUBLICANS will not raise a dime in new taxes on the wealthy. This has been going on for 30 years. The tax codes in this country are written for the rich. Also, what's wrong with a strong middle class? Countries where the most to win are countries that do well. Countries where only a few prosper will not do well over the long haul. Considering it's not here yet, statements like "udumbocare is destroying America" are reckless and indicate your overall stupidity.
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funny how the dems forget Obama had total power for two years.. must be amnesia..
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 Reading the entire article, it seems that avoiding a fiscal cliff means jumping off a healthcare cliff, mainly affecting seniors, who will have increased difficulty finding doctors and pharmacies willing to accept Medicare recipients, as wall as limited hospital services because of reimbursement cuts. Â
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 @Opus8no5 Its the greed that is causing this. Medicare pays plenty for any health services but doctors can gouge health insurance companies for more because the health insurance companies don't care how much gets charged because they just pass the increased costs on to the patients paying the health insurance premiums. Unrestricted socialism is just as deadly as unrestricted capitalism to a free and open society.
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"We have to pass the bill so we can find out what is in it."
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Those of us who get to pay for it probably won't be too pleased.
No, its called leadership which we have none of in Washington..
@Windowseat Just in the House of Tea Party Representatives.Â
On January 1, regardless of the outcome of fiscal cliff negotiations, Americans will be hit with a $1 trillion Obamacare tax hike.
@al_wa Have you checked to see how much more you will be paying, because I bet that it's not a single cent.Â
 @lakeview taxes go up an average of $63 per person . . if you have a flexible haelth account you are now limited to $2500 in tax deduction.You should really stop watching CNN and MSNBC . Start doing some of your own research . Like reading . my mistake you are a Progressive democrat and believe everything you hear. here you go ,have another sip of Kool Aid.
 @lakeview Won't cost me a cent extra. The only increases I get is in the form of fake inflation on food products and gasoline.
 @Blindman  @lakeview Don't you mean imaginary ? Â
Don't blame the liberals, we wanted single payer like all other modern countries or at least a public option that provided BASIC heath care to all citizens.Â
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 @lakeview You want single payer,move to where it is available. Not force it on those who do not.
 @lakeview Not a single republican voted for the affordable health care act.
 @al_wa  @lakeview The Repubs never care about people,
and don't expect then to do so cuz' they are bunch of useless low lives !
Yes, I am aware of that. Ironic considering it was a Heritage Foundation health care plan and was originally supported by Republicans back in the roaring 90s.Â
I just have a question, for anyone who can help PLEASE. My brother in law is going in for his stem cell transplant. My sister has to quit her job to take care of him. Someone has to be with him 24/7 for 3 months. He has to live at the center in an apartment.
There isn't enough money to keep the house. They have three kids. I can't do it alone, my whole family can't do it all.Â
Went to DSHS, they might qualify for $67/mo in cash, some food stamps, we don't know how much yet, and insurance other than his. The housing is covered for $7500. That won't cover it all.
The lymphoma society will give them $100/mo.
Rent is $1500, he will receive under 600/mo from his job. Two kids are working the other is only 10. We don't know how to keep the house/pay the utilities.Â
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Where do we go for help? I have not been on for a while, I have never had to deal with anything like this. My brother basically said he had to make the choice to live or die. If he does chemo he can work..and be dead in under a year, but the family will be ok relatively speaking..if he does the transplant, it will buy years, maybe a cure, %13 chance for cure, but he has to fight.
How does someone do this and not lose everything? I don't even care if my sister gets mad and figures out this is me, we need some direction, some help and I don't know where to go anymore.
Thank you.
@Yeah_and Health care costs are the number one reason for personal bankruptcy in this country. I wish I had an answer for you. One side has tried to make health care more affordable, the other continues to lie to you when saying we have the best system in the world. We don't even rank in the top 10. Our system is great if you are a millionaire.Â
@lakeview You can have best, or cheapest. Not both.
 @lakeview "opinion"
Can't understand what these foreigners say half the time anyway...
 @lakeview Mrs. Mylon is a citizen from one of your "Health Care Paradises." It is her considered option that Americans are loony for attempting to emulate them instead of tweaking our system. An ailment that would have been delayed treatment for YEARS was treated within weeks here.
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 That the payment methods need fixing is without question. Unfortunately, we have chosen the worst possible option to replace it.
@Romey_Rome   I think the Canadians, Brits, Dutch, and many other people would beg to differ.Â
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We waste our money by giving a good chunk of it directly to insurance companies that provide zero actual health care.Â
 @lakeview Thank you anyways. I just keep thinking there HAS to be a way. Really we have no choice, we have to keep going, but how is HE supposed to get better when he's so stressed out??Â
I know, IDK either.
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