Black smoke from chapel chimney: No pope yet
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VATICAN CITY (AP) - This time there was no doubt. There was no new pope yet, and the mystery of who - and when - was as thick as the unmistakable heavy black smoke billowing from the Sistine Chapel chimney.
As thousands waited in a cold night rain in St. Peter's Square, the cardinals signaled Tuesday they had failed on their first attempt to find a leader for the world's 1.2 billion Catholics and their troubled church.
"It's black, it's black, it's waaay black!" screamed Eliza Nagle, a 21-year-old Notre Dame theology major on an exchange program in Rome, as the smoke poured from the 6-foot-high copper chimney at 7:41 p.m.
"They definitely got the color right this time," agreed Father Andrew Gawrych, an American priest based in Rome, referring to the confusion over the smoke during the 2005 conclave that elected Pope Benedict XVI.
That was thanks to special smoke flares - akin to those used in soccer matches or protests - lit in the chapel ovens to make the burned ballots black, the sign that cardinals must come back for another day of voting Wednesday.
Tuesday's drama unfolded against the backdrop of the turmoil unleashed by Benedict's surprise resignation and the exposure of deep divisions among cardinals grappling with whether they need a manager to clean up the Vatican's dysfunctional bureaucracy or a pastor who can inspire Catholics at a time of waning faith and growing secularism.
Surrounded by Michelangelo's imposing frescoes portraying the beginning and the end of the world, cardinals locked themselves into the Sistine Chapel following a final appeal for unity by their dean and set about the business of electing the 266th pope.
The 115 scarlet-robed prelates chanted the Litany of Saints, the sounds of the Gregorian chant echoing through the soaring hall as, walking two-by-two, they implored the saints to guide their voting. They then took an oath of secrecy, first collectively and then individually, as each placed his right hand on the gospel and intoned the words in Latin accented by their native languages - English, German, French, Italian, Arabic and so on.
Then the master of liturgical ceremonies intoned the words "Extra omnes" - "everyone out" - and dozens of prelates and Vatican officials departed as the chapel's heavy, ornately carved wooden doors swung shut.
The cardinals then proceeded with the carefully choreographed vote, each writing his choice on a piece of paper, then folding it and tipping it into an urn, to be counted by hand by three "scrutineers" who read out the results, one by one.
With no cardinal winning the required 77 votes on the first ballot, the cardinals returned to the Vatican hotel for a simple dinner of pasta with tomato sauce, soup and vegetables before another day of voting Wednesday.
Benedict's surprise resignation has thrown the church into turmoil and exposed deep divisions between Vatican-based cardinals and those in the field who have complained about Rome's inefficiencies and indifference to their needs.
The leading contenders for pope have fallen into two camps, with Italian Cardinal Angelo Scola, the archbishop of Milan, seen as favored by those hoping to shake up the powerful Vatican bureaucracy, and Brazilian Cardinal Odilo Scherer favored by Vatican-based insiders who have defended the status quo.
Other names include Canadian Cardinal Marc Ouellet, who heads the Vatican's powerful office for bishops and U.S. cardinals Timothy Dolan, the exuberant archbishop of New York, and Sean O'Malley, the archbishop of Boston.
In a final appeal before the conclave began, the dean of the College of Cardinals, retired Cardinal Angelo Sodano, used his homily at a morning Mass in St. Peter's Basilica to urge unity. He asked that cardinals put their differences aside for the good of the church and the future pope.
"Each of us is therefore called to cooperate with the successor of Peter, the visible foundation of such an ecclesial unity," Sodano said.
He was interrupted by applause from the public in the pews - not so much from the cardinals - when he referred to the "beloved and venerated" Benedict XVI and his "brilliant" pontificate.
Sitting in the front row was Benedict's long-time aide, Archbishop Georg Gaenswein, who reported that the now-emeritus pope was watching the proceedings from his residence in Castel Gandolfo, 17 miles away, according to Vatican spokesman Rev. Thomas Rosica.
For more than a week, the cardinals have met privately to try to figure out who among them has the stuff to be pope and what his priorities should be. But they ended the debate with questions still unanswered, and many cardinals predicting a drawn-out election that will further expose the church's divisions. The conclave proceeds in silence, with no formal debate, behind closed doors.
During discussions before the conclave, Vatican-based cardinals defended their administration against complaints that they have been unresponsive to diocesan needs, according to leaks of the proceedings in the Italian media. At one point on Monday, the Brazilian head of one Vatican office reportedly drew applause for challenging the Vatican No. 2, who has been blamed for most of the bureaucracy's administrative failings.
"Let us pray for the cardinals who are to elect the Roman pontiff," read one of the prayers during the Mass. "May the Lord fill them with his Holy Spirit, with understanding and good counsel, wisdom and discernment."
In his final radio address Tuesday before being sequestered, Dolan said a certain calm had taken hold, as if "this gentle Roman rain is a sign of the grace of the Holy Spirit coming upon us."
"And there's a sense of resignation and conformity with God's plan. It's magnificent," he said during his regular radio program on SiriusXM's Catholic Channel.
Outside, the faithful gathered to await the outcome, with groups of nuns singing and playing the guitar, cheering the cardinals on.
"I don't expect any quick fixes. There will always be problems," said Sister Manaoag, a nun from the Philippines. "We have to not get stuck with seeing things like factions and problems, but see beyond that. What does God want? This is something we sometimes forget."
Other pilgrims acknowledged the challenges facing the church.
"It's a moment of crisis for the church, so we have to show support of the new pope," said Veronica Herrera, a real estate agent from Mexico who traveled to Rome for the conclave with her husband and daughter.
Yet the mood was not entirely somber.
A group of women who say they are priests launched pink smoke from a balcony overlooking the square to demand female ordination - a play on the famous smoke signals that will tell the world whether a pope has been elected. Two topless activists from Femen, a Ukrainian feminist group, were dragged away by police. Femen activists have previously protested the Vatican's opposition to gay marriage.
And in a bizarre twist, basketball star Dennis Rodman promised to be in St. Peter's Square on Wednesday in a makeshift popemobile as he campaigns for Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana to become the first black pope.
None of the cardinals will see it, since they will be sequestered inside the Vatican walls. They are allowed to travel only from the Vatican hotel through the gardens to the Sistine Chapel and back until they have elected a pope. No telephones, no newspapers, no television, no tweeting.
The focus of the ritual is on the Sistine Chapel, the Michelangelo masterwork painted over the course of nearly 30 years starting in 1508, and so astonishing to Pope John Paul II that he called it "the sanctuary of the theology of the body."
The most famous frescoes are "Creation," a series of nine paintings running the length of the ceiling, the most well-known of which is the "Creation of Adam," showing God and Adam, their fingers reaching out to one another. "The Last Judgment" behind the altar depicts a muscular Jesus surrounded by naked masses, some ascending to heaven and others falling to hell.
Benedict once wrote that the images of the beginning and the end of creation weighed on him when, as then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he was an elector in the 1978 conclave that brought John Paul II to the papacy.
"I know well how we were exposed to those images in the hour of the important decisions, how they challenged us and how they instilled in our souls the greatness of our responsibility," Ratzinger said in 2003, at the presentation of a book of poetry by John Paul about the Sistine frescoes.
That burden, coupled with so much uncertainty and upheaval going into the conclave, led the American cardinals to disagree on whether to expect a short or long conclave.
Cardinal Dolan this week publicly expressed optimism that the election would be wrapped up quickly. And on the eve of the conclave, he wrote a letter to New York priests, saying: "My guess is that we'd have a new Successor of St. Peter by Thursday evening," according to Dolan's spokesman, Joseph Zwilling.
That bullish stance stood in stark contrast with the view of Chicago Cardinal Francis George.
His spokeswoman, Colleen Dolan, told The Associated Press that the cardinal suggested it could be a long affair, raising the possibility that the electors may still be meeting by Saturday, when conclave rules require them to take a break and spend some time in prayer before resuming voting.
Another American had something else entirely on his mind. On the day of the conclave, the archdiocese of Los Angeles agreed to pay nearly $10 million to settle four clergy sex abuse cases that alleged abuse by a now-defrocked priest who told Cardinal Roger Mahony nearly 30 years ago that he had molested children.
Mahony ignored a petition urging him to recuse himself from the conclave because of how he covered up for abusive priests and is taking part in the voting.
As thousands waited in a cold night rain in St. Peter's Square, the cardinals signaled Tuesday they had failed on their first attempt to find a leader for the world's 1.2 billion Catholics and their troubled church.
"It's black, it's black, it's waaay black!" screamed Eliza Nagle, a 21-year-old Notre Dame theology major on an exchange program in Rome, as the smoke poured from the 6-foot-high copper chimney at 7:41 p.m.
"They definitely got the color right this time," agreed Father Andrew Gawrych, an American priest based in Rome, referring to the confusion over the smoke during the 2005 conclave that elected Pope Benedict XVI.
That was thanks to special smoke flares - akin to those used in soccer matches or protests - lit in the chapel ovens to make the burned ballots black, the sign that cardinals must come back for another day of voting Wednesday.
Tuesday's drama unfolded against the backdrop of the turmoil unleashed by Benedict's surprise resignation and the exposure of deep divisions among cardinals grappling with whether they need a manager to clean up the Vatican's dysfunctional bureaucracy or a pastor who can inspire Catholics at a time of waning faith and growing secularism.
Surrounded by Michelangelo's imposing frescoes portraying the beginning and the end of the world, cardinals locked themselves into the Sistine Chapel following a final appeal for unity by their dean and set about the business of electing the 266th pope.
The 115 scarlet-robed prelates chanted the Litany of Saints, the sounds of the Gregorian chant echoing through the soaring hall as, walking two-by-two, they implored the saints to guide their voting. They then took an oath of secrecy, first collectively and then individually, as each placed his right hand on the gospel and intoned the words in Latin accented by their native languages - English, German, French, Italian, Arabic and so on.
Then the master of liturgical ceremonies intoned the words "Extra omnes" - "everyone out" - and dozens of prelates and Vatican officials departed as the chapel's heavy, ornately carved wooden doors swung shut.
The cardinals then proceeded with the carefully choreographed vote, each writing his choice on a piece of paper, then folding it and tipping it into an urn, to be counted by hand by three "scrutineers" who read out the results, one by one.
With no cardinal winning the required 77 votes on the first ballot, the cardinals returned to the Vatican hotel for a simple dinner of pasta with tomato sauce, soup and vegetables before another day of voting Wednesday.
Benedict's surprise resignation has thrown the church into turmoil and exposed deep divisions between Vatican-based cardinals and those in the field who have complained about Rome's inefficiencies and indifference to their needs.
The leading contenders for pope have fallen into two camps, with Italian Cardinal Angelo Scola, the archbishop of Milan, seen as favored by those hoping to shake up the powerful Vatican bureaucracy, and Brazilian Cardinal Odilo Scherer favored by Vatican-based insiders who have defended the status quo.
Other names include Canadian Cardinal Marc Ouellet, who heads the Vatican's powerful office for bishops and U.S. cardinals Timothy Dolan, the exuberant archbishop of New York, and Sean O'Malley, the archbishop of Boston.
In a final appeal before the conclave began, the dean of the College of Cardinals, retired Cardinal Angelo Sodano, used his homily at a morning Mass in St. Peter's Basilica to urge unity. He asked that cardinals put their differences aside for the good of the church and the future pope.
"Each of us is therefore called to cooperate with the successor of Peter, the visible foundation of such an ecclesial unity," Sodano said.
He was interrupted by applause from the public in the pews - not so much from the cardinals - when he referred to the "beloved and venerated" Benedict XVI and his "brilliant" pontificate.
Sitting in the front row was Benedict's long-time aide, Archbishop Georg Gaenswein, who reported that the now-emeritus pope was watching the proceedings from his residence in Castel Gandolfo, 17 miles away, according to Vatican spokesman Rev. Thomas Rosica.
For more than a week, the cardinals have met privately to try to figure out who among them has the stuff to be pope and what his priorities should be. But they ended the debate with questions still unanswered, and many cardinals predicting a drawn-out election that will further expose the church's divisions. The conclave proceeds in silence, with no formal debate, behind closed doors.
During discussions before the conclave, Vatican-based cardinals defended their administration against complaints that they have been unresponsive to diocesan needs, according to leaks of the proceedings in the Italian media. At one point on Monday, the Brazilian head of one Vatican office reportedly drew applause for challenging the Vatican No. 2, who has been blamed for most of the bureaucracy's administrative failings.
"Let us pray for the cardinals who are to elect the Roman pontiff," read one of the prayers during the Mass. "May the Lord fill them with his Holy Spirit, with understanding and good counsel, wisdom and discernment."
In his final radio address Tuesday before being sequestered, Dolan said a certain calm had taken hold, as if "this gentle Roman rain is a sign of the grace of the Holy Spirit coming upon us."
"And there's a sense of resignation and conformity with God's plan. It's magnificent," he said during his regular radio program on SiriusXM's Catholic Channel.
Outside, the faithful gathered to await the outcome, with groups of nuns singing and playing the guitar, cheering the cardinals on.
"I don't expect any quick fixes. There will always be problems," said Sister Manaoag, a nun from the Philippines. "We have to not get stuck with seeing things like factions and problems, but see beyond that. What does God want? This is something we sometimes forget."
Other pilgrims acknowledged the challenges facing the church.
"It's a moment of crisis for the church, so we have to show support of the new pope," said Veronica Herrera, a real estate agent from Mexico who traveled to Rome for the conclave with her husband and daughter.
Yet the mood was not entirely somber.
A group of women who say they are priests launched pink smoke from a balcony overlooking the square to demand female ordination - a play on the famous smoke signals that will tell the world whether a pope has been elected. Two topless activists from Femen, a Ukrainian feminist group, were dragged away by police. Femen activists have previously protested the Vatican's opposition to gay marriage.
And in a bizarre twist, basketball star Dennis Rodman promised to be in St. Peter's Square on Wednesday in a makeshift popemobile as he campaigns for Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana to become the first black pope.
None of the cardinals will see it, since they will be sequestered inside the Vatican walls. They are allowed to travel only from the Vatican hotel through the gardens to the Sistine Chapel and back until they have elected a pope. No telephones, no newspapers, no television, no tweeting.
The focus of the ritual is on the Sistine Chapel, the Michelangelo masterwork painted over the course of nearly 30 years starting in 1508, and so astonishing to Pope John Paul II that he called it "the sanctuary of the theology of the body."
The most famous frescoes are "Creation," a series of nine paintings running the length of the ceiling, the most well-known of which is the "Creation of Adam," showing God and Adam, their fingers reaching out to one another. "The Last Judgment" behind the altar depicts a muscular Jesus surrounded by naked masses, some ascending to heaven and others falling to hell.
Benedict once wrote that the images of the beginning and the end of creation weighed on him when, as then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he was an elector in the 1978 conclave that brought John Paul II to the papacy.
"I know well how we were exposed to those images in the hour of the important decisions, how they challenged us and how they instilled in our souls the greatness of our responsibility," Ratzinger said in 2003, at the presentation of a book of poetry by John Paul about the Sistine frescoes.
That burden, coupled with so much uncertainty and upheaval going into the conclave, led the American cardinals to disagree on whether to expect a short or long conclave.
Cardinal Dolan this week publicly expressed optimism that the election would be wrapped up quickly. And on the eve of the conclave, he wrote a letter to New York priests, saying: "My guess is that we'd have a new Successor of St. Peter by Thursday evening," according to Dolan's spokesman, Joseph Zwilling.
That bullish stance stood in stark contrast with the view of Chicago Cardinal Francis George.
His spokeswoman, Colleen Dolan, told The Associated Press that the cardinal suggested it could be a long affair, raising the possibility that the electors may still be meeting by Saturday, when conclave rules require them to take a break and spend some time in prayer before resuming voting.
Another American had something else entirely on his mind. On the day of the conclave, the archdiocese of Los Angeles agreed to pay nearly $10 million to settle four clergy sex abuse cases that alleged abuse by a now-defrocked priest who told Cardinal Roger Mahony nearly 30 years ago that he had molested children.
Mahony ignored a petition urging him to recuse himself from the conclave because of how he covered up for abusive priests and is taking part in the voting.
One of the men currently involved in selecting the next Pope is Cardinal Roger Mahony, who protected rapist priests from discovery and punishment. Whoever the next Pope is, he will be tainted by this connection.
Bash a Muslim - bad. Bash a Jew - almost bad. Bash a Catholic - no problem! I'm not a Catholic, but you people who feel the need to play bully and insult people for their beliefs are no better than someone who insults someone for their race or sexual orientation. Bigotry is bigotry.
@Mike Pittman The difference, Mike Pittman, is that Jews and Muslims don't have anything equivalent to the Vatican. The Vatican, as we have learned, is run by deeply flawed human beings. This has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with the abuse of power in hierarchical organizations, with the result that children are horribly victimized.
The Catholic Church can take a flying leap at the Moon.
And here I was, holding my breath.
I don't know why Catholics need a dictator to tell them what to do and think.Â
Pass the Bong I want to smoke me some POPE...
THANKS BE TO GOD FOR OUR BEAUTIFUL CATHOLIC FAITH!!!
@tanyamarie77 Really... I don't think Jesus would think so...Jesus idea was simple and DIRECT.
I understand that not everyone is interested in what is going on but why do people find it nessesary to bash on someone elses religion? I am not Catholic, but I still find the process interesting. Yes some people in this religion have screwed up big time, and many have suffered for it, but if you dig deep enough you will find pain and suffering in all religions, and even pedophiles in many. I do not agree that they should have protected the pedophiles and I think each and every one who covered it up should be in prison or dead but again that doesn't give anyone the right to bash what to many is a sacred process.Â
So What !
Black Smoke? They are really testing Boeing 787 batteries in there.
Does anyone else think the news media is getting way too carried away with this? I mean, Diane Sawyer is broadcasting live from Italy. WHO CARES?! I don't, and I'm 1/2 Catholic.
@Nitrofan I don't think a person can be "half Catholic". Either you are or you are not. You might be a non-practicing Catholic, or a devout Catholic or some other degree of following the Catholic religion but still it is an either/or proposition. You might have been raised to follow the Catholic religion and then turned to another (or no) religion.
Or maybe you mean that one of your parent's is Catholic and the other is not. While many people DO follow the religion of their parents it is NOT a defining point as many people spurn the religion (or non-religion) of their upbringing for something different.
@Furd @Nitrofan Unless you're Al Gore, then you can be half catholic, half jewish, and half muslim. And yes that adds up to 100%!
honestly why does anyone even care. the catholic church and the papacy is a joke. they harbor pedophiles and should have no power or influence in the modern world. this is not news.
@stargunner You have a very narrow view of the Catholic faith. Perhaps you should study more about the religion and not build your entire view upon news headlines.
Perhaps they have a crematorium in there or a furnace such as that found in the classic -A Christmas Story.Â
i know what they are smoking
Nothing but celeb worship. The enormous bureaucracy of the catholic church is as irrelevant as people camping outside Britney Spears' home and the paparazzi following movie stars around.Â
This just makes me shake my head. If we were to compare the leadership of the Catholic Church to those in the time of Christ, they would not resemble the apostles and disciples described in the bible. More similar indeed to the Pharisees and Sadducees.
Black smoke .... they are burning the evidence! MMMMWWHHHAAAAA
:(
Da Pope!
Black smoke... no new pope
Cerebus for pope!Â
I wouldn't ever believe any of this pontificous nonsense, but I do think it's kind of cool that such an ancient tradition has survived to modern times, and I like their costumes.  Kind of like a window into the past. But, anyone who truly believes what these dressed-up fellows preach is completely delusional.
Looks like a" Popeless" situation
@Dieseldog <groan>!
Must say with all the pomp and glory there a colorful bunch...
@Windowseat they're.
Weird! Nostradamus prediction for the second to last Pope was a resignation in December, that God would "punish" the Vatican, and that a comet would appear as bright as the sun. I'm not a prophecy sort of dude, but the Pope did resign, the day he resigned lightning struck St. Peter's Basilica, and there is a visible comet right now, and comet ISON is supposed to be "brighter than a full moon," and where Nostradamus says it will be like having two suns in the sky, ISON is supposed to be visible even at noon. In Nostradamus' time a lightning strike like that would be a sign, especially on the day of a Papal resignation, and the comet would have just "appeared" given that astronomy was little more than staring at the sky, and I believe Gallileo wasn't even born yet, let alone playing with telescopes.
The other thing I find weird is the "anti-Pope," which is supposed to come after this Pope, will take a "bride."
Considering the continued debate of female clergy and the fact that priests can't marry in the Catholic church, the insane idea of a "married" Pope seems more plausible as the years tick by.
It is all just kind of - weird. Especially considering that unlike many other Nostradamus quatrains, where you have to really shoehorn them to make them work - this one basically - nails it.
@Howard Beale Which quatrain was that?
@Getov Mylon@Howard BealeÂ
Century II: 41 - 45
 http://www.alamongordo.com/Nostradamus_quatrains_century_2_quatrain.html
And Century VI: 6
There will appear towards the North Not far from Cancer the bearded star: Susa, Siena, Boeotia, Eretria, The great one of Rome will die, the night over.Again, I don't put a whole lot of weight into this stuff. The "mastiff" is largely believed by followers of Nostradamus to mean Great Britain. The three great princes are often considered China, Russia, and the United States. Given the size of India and they are a nuclear power, I would consider it more China, India and the United States.As far as "the great one of Rome dying," dying may be just a metaphor (so say the Nostradamus faithful)
The reference to the Eagle and the tent many believe refers to the United States. So - war between say China, India, and the United States - something bad enough that England gets hammered and the Pope has to leave Rome for his own safety?
Meh...who knows. but II:41 is sure interesting.
@Howard Beale @Getov Mylon Yeah, it's interesting but not real sciency.Â
Unlike my "Ancient Aliens"series! Side benefit of AA: Mrs. Mylon loathes it!
@Howard Beale if this were true, then we probably should stop worrying about the National Debt! Love your insights HB
Got a little worried here; but after seing "Cardinals" in the headline and a Seahawk Fanatic, I thought it was the "Arizona Cardinals" trying to improve their team. WHewwww! ......... Â Being a Catholic, it is a very exciting time!!!
On a positive note....What a gorgeous building..................
@DISPATCH911Â Can't argue with you there. Â I'd love to go see it, but I'm not impressed with their justice system. Not that I'd be one to get caught up in it, it's just a matter of principle. Â
The picture is of 64 potential winners, but soon they'll have it down to the Sweet Sisteen.
Ancient rituals, still performed in a modern world, end up looking like a skit from an old Monty Pytyon bit.
"Let me wear the great hat - it shall look best upon my head"
Oh how exciting! The high priest or in some people's eyes, God is about to be appointed. He is not God however, just an ordinary man who puts his pants on just like you or I.Â
Just look at all that money in the church. Now think about all those families that have baby after baby after baby because the church doesn't believe in contraceptives. Seems to me the church is way out of touch with the days of today. If the church doesn't change their doctrine, perhaps they should be paying their followers for all of the children they have.Â
I'm not religious myself and what religion someone is does not threaten me in the slightest. Therefore, I get no benefit from debasing an entire religion based on unfair stereotypes.
@No Time how many children must they prey on to threaten you? or do you not care about helpless children?
As Necrobio mentioned, there are pedophiles in every segment of society, not just in the church. I suppose, in your view, that we should ban football coaches, business owners, school teachers, etc? Stop trying to sound clever and accusing people of not caring about children, it does nothing to help your argument and makes you look like a dullard. For the record, I favor very harsh punishment for people that harm children.
@No Time Agreed.  Although it does seem that the priesthood seems to attract quite a few of them.  However, I won't say that's a fact, just an observation.
@davedude420 Are you threatened by school teachers? Just wondering...
@Necrobio @davedude420 no i fear no one
Ah yes, a new archaic leader of an irrelevant religion is about to be chosen.Â
 Say what you want, a bunch of men who never have sex or families is simply strange. And to give them huge amounts of power is simply a mistake.Â
What these guys know about the average person's daily life is minimal at best.
@Sanctuary "According to the Census of the 2012 Annuario Pontificio (Pontifical Yearbook), the number of Roman Catholics in the world was about 1,196 billion at the end of 2010(; 1,181 billion at the end of 2009).According to the Census of the 2012 Annuario Pontificio (Pontifical Yearbook), the number of Roman Catholics in the world was about 1,196 billion at the end of 2010(; 1,181 billion at the end of 2009)."
I wouldn't consider 1.196 billion Roman Catholics an insignificant religion.
@Fantastico @Sanctuary Not an insignificant number of people that cling to the religion but the religion itself (any and all religion) is irrelevant.
@Fantastico @Sanctuary Sanctuary didn't say "insignificant", he (or she) said "irrelevant". Big difference.
@Fantastico @Sanctuary It's one thing to call yourself a Christian but something all together different to actually practice it!