DOJ memo sets rationale to kill U.S. citizens

WASHINGTON (AP) - An internal Justice Department memo says it is legal for the government to kill U.S. citizens abroad if it believes they are senior al-Qaida leaders continually engaged in operations aimed at killing Americans.
The document, reported Monday night by NBC News, provides a legal rationale behind the Obama administration's use of drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects.
The 16-page document says it is lawful to target al-Qaida linked U.S. citizens if they pose an "imminent" threat of violent attack against Americans, and that delaying action against such people would create an unacceptably high risk. Such circumstances may necessitate expanding the concept of imminent threat, the memo says.
"The threat posed by al-Qaida and its associated forces demands a broader concept of imminence in judging when a person continually planning terror attacks presents an imminent threat," the document added.
A September 2011 drone strike in Yemen killed Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan, both U.S. citizens.
The memo does not require the U.S. to have information about a specific imminent attack against the U.S. But it does require that capture of a terrorist suspect not be feasible and that any such lethal operation by the United States targeting a person comply with fundamental law-of-war principles.
"A decision maker determining whether an al-Qaida operational leader presents an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States must take into account that certain members of Al-Qaida ... are continually plotting attacks against the United States" and that "al-Qaida would engage in such attacks regularly to the extent it were able to do so," says the document.
The document also says that a decision maker must take into account that "the U.S. government may not be aware of all al-Qaida plots as they are developing and thus cannot be confident that none is about to occur; and that ... the nation may have a limited window of opportunity within which to strike in a manner that both has a high likelihood of success and reduces the probability of American casualties."
With this understanding, the document added, a high-level official could conclude, for example, that an individual poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States where he is an operational leader of al-Qaida or an associated force and is personally and continually involved in planning terrorist attacks against the United States.
The American Civil Liberties Union said the document is "profoundly disturbing."
"It's hard to believe that it was produced in a democracy built on a system of checks and balances," the ACLU said.
The document says that the use of lethal force would not violate the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution when a targeted person is an operational leader of an enemy force and an informed, high-level government official has determined that he poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the U.S.
The document said the courts have no role to play in the matter.
"Under the circumstances described in this paper, there exists no appropriate judicial forum to evaluate these constitutional considerations. It is well established that 'matters intimately related to foreign policy, and national security are rarely proper subjects for judicial intervention,'" the white paper said.
The document, reported Monday night by NBC News, provides a legal rationale behind the Obama administration's use of drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects.
The 16-page document says it is lawful to target al-Qaida linked U.S. citizens if they pose an "imminent" threat of violent attack against Americans, and that delaying action against such people would create an unacceptably high risk. Such circumstances may necessitate expanding the concept of imminent threat, the memo says.
"The threat posed by al-Qaida and its associated forces demands a broader concept of imminence in judging when a person continually planning terror attacks presents an imminent threat," the document added.
A September 2011 drone strike in Yemen killed Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan, both U.S. citizens.
The memo does not require the U.S. to have information about a specific imminent attack against the U.S. But it does require that capture of a terrorist suspect not be feasible and that any such lethal operation by the United States targeting a person comply with fundamental law-of-war principles.
"A decision maker determining whether an al-Qaida operational leader presents an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States must take into account that certain members of Al-Qaida ... are continually plotting attacks against the United States" and that "al-Qaida would engage in such attacks regularly to the extent it were able to do so," says the document.
The document also says that a decision maker must take into account that "the U.S. government may not be aware of all al-Qaida plots as they are developing and thus cannot be confident that none is about to occur; and that ... the nation may have a limited window of opportunity within which to strike in a manner that both has a high likelihood of success and reduces the probability of American casualties."
With this understanding, the document added, a high-level official could conclude, for example, that an individual poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States where he is an operational leader of al-Qaida or an associated force and is personally and continually involved in planning terrorist attacks against the United States.
The American Civil Liberties Union said the document is "profoundly disturbing."
"It's hard to believe that it was produced in a democracy built on a system of checks and balances," the ACLU said.
The document says that the use of lethal force would not violate the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution when a targeted person is an operational leader of an enemy force and an informed, high-level government official has determined that he poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the U.S.
The document said the courts have no role to play in the matter.
"Under the circumstances described in this paper, there exists no appropriate judicial forum to evaluate these constitutional considerations. It is well established that 'matters intimately related to foreign policy, and national security are rarely proper subjects for judicial intervention,'" the white paper said.
As long as we don't water board them. Killing them is just fine, well as long as your name is Obama it is.
ABC says they will use drones.
Bush was raked over the coals for torture and Obama has permission to Kill.
Shame on KOMO. This article should be the headline.
'If the government believes'.
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Next?
Bush is a war criminal... oh wait... never mind. Obama is the messiah, he can do no wrong.
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.Â
Firstly, the subject is Americans who choose to become involved with terror organizations. Seems pretty self explanitory. They are not awsome neighbors and someone darn well should be identifying them at the bare minimum.
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Secondly, it would be interesting if people raised as much concern about what criminals do to Americans here. That is where the killing and other things are actually happening and as much as I am middle ground on most things, I have to say the conservatives are the ones who get it about violent criminals being inexcusible and over the line. Hugging thugs or screaming that making them accountable somehow puts all of us on the imaginary "slippery slope" with all our rights is something I can really fault The Left about.
 @Citizen#3457899654 The issue here is that accusations from government officials are being equated to proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I suppose this is of no concern if you want the U.S. President to have the power of a medieval King.
Reading these comments has been interesting. A lot of the points being made today were the same ones being made following 9/11 by Democrats concerned about what the Bush administration was doing. The common thing I heard back then was basically that they are terrorists and have no rights/who cares. I remember that young American man who was found alongside the Taliban and the calls for his execution. What is the saying, "the more things change, the more they stay the same?"Â
It is interesting reading all the comments.. what is also interesting is how many do not understand what precedence is. The "we did this before to address terrorism". Currently, we have the Patriot Act which allows the government to hold you indefinitely without charging you. Now we have this come out, where you can be hunted.. all without due process. Currently this appears to apply overseas, but how long will it be before it applies here in the US? That, is the slippery slope..
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If we look at other serious matters, machine guns were restricted in the 30's, you must get a background check, they must be registered, and you must pay a tax for the ability to own one.
Then, in 1989, it was expanded to ban the sale to the public any new manufactured machine guns. Then, the term Assault Rifle was coined by the legislators in DC.. based solely on cosmetic appearances only.. meaning I could take a normal semiautomatic rifle (the barrelled action) and drop it into a stock containing a pistol grip, and collapsable stock, and all of the sudden it is an Assault Rifle. (totally obsurd)Â Then, in 1994, a bill was passed to ban these rifles that are manufactured with certain specific charactaristics. Fortunately, it had an expiration date. Now, they are trying to ban them country wide, based upon cosmetic features, that have nothing to do with funtion, such as the ability to fire in a full automatic mode.
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So, we have the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, and now, we have the government saying that it can kill american citizens that are terrorists, without any form of due process..
What happens if someone is misidentified as being a terrorist? Without due process, they can be indescrimintly killed.. currently, it is overseas, but what happens when it is here on US soil.. I believe the term would be "domestic terrorist".. Do they just put the order out to kill on sight?
 @Mr. H I agree with what you wrote, except for the gun stuff.Â
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This is because (1) having such a well-armed citizenry did absolutely nothing to prevent our government from seizing the kind of tyrannical power illustrated by this DOJ memo, and (2) the Second Amendment's purpose was to allow individual states to create their own well-regulated militias, which are today collectively known as the National Guard. Despite Wayne LaPierre's fevered imaginings, It does not guarantee the right of universal gun ownership, nor was it intended to enable armed citizens to violently overthrow the U.S. government. (Seriously, what sane government would come up with a plan like that? "If we get too evil, you have our permission to shoot us?")
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Violence is a useless tactic against an entity that has a monopoly on violence.Â
The only real "weapon" we have against tyranny is an ancient one, long predating the firearm:Â massive numbers of people in the streets, combined with general labor strikes.
 @Sutekh  @Mr. H "...massive numbers of people in the streets, combined with general labor strikes." This was so effective BECAUSE it predated the firearm. As far as the prevention of this DOJ memo, I don't think any of this has any meaning to the general American, because it is occurring to Americans in other countries. Not here. The memo (so it appears) does not eliminate the ability to be used in country. If or I should say when this were to happen I think more people would be will to rise up against it.
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And I for one would be thankful we have the right to bear arms.
This country is becoming a very scary place, all in the name of fear.Â
@jowsuf I suppose it could be scary if you are involved in terrorism, I think thats the statement they are making.
 @Jumblemuffin What's scary is that if they decide you're involved in terrorism, they don't have to prove it. You're involved if they say you're involved. You can't defend yourself. Your rights as an American don't apply.
@Vertically Inclined @snoopy84 @jowsuf @Jumblemuffin Travel the world a bit, go to some authoritarian places and some really poor places and the "slippery slope" thing some people fixate on here is really revealed to be a political ploy aimed at manipulation for someone's gain
 @snoopy84  @jowsuf The thing is, people are naive if they think that the American government hasn't killed American citizens abroad in the past. But instead of killing spies or criminals, we are killing terrorists who publicly are calling for the murder of us.Â
 @snoopy84 "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
 @Vertically Inclined Be careful of what what you post. Big brother is watching, listening, and reading! (how do you convey sarcasm again?) well kind of sarcastic.
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 @jowsuf which part, the video or the comment about hate?
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The ACLU finds it disturbing-I find it keeping up with the enemy. If an American is sitting  Yemen plotting to kill Americans and has no fear of American law or consequence then they becomes protected to move around and lead actions against the US.
What part of this new war bothers you?Â
 @snoopy84 Killing someone should not be taken lightly.  I have no issue with justified homicide for dirtbags like the one you are referring too.  The issue is regarding the creep of growth and use of force by the government against it's people.  Now, I've never been shot at by a drone or F-18 while driving down I-5, but I do want to severely limit "pre-preemptive" strikes against American citizens.  American is not immune from tyrants like those we see every day in other places on earth.
 @Vertically Inclined  @snoopy84  @jowsuf  @Jumblemuffin Slippery Slope is to common of answer, it lacks confidence. It is clear these Americans who turned away from their own country tend to do us harm and to not plan on coming home, they also don't intend to be caught.Â
On the other hand, how many Americans need to die before you decide to take a terrorist out.
 @snoopy84 What a ridiculously over the top statement. I've rarely seen someone exaggerate more on this site than this. The fact that you'd even say something like that means you have no concept of what I'm even saying. To try to argue would be like trying to teach a 5 year old calculus if what you just said is any indication of your reasoning ability.Â
 @snoopy84  @jowsuf  @Jumblemuffin It's the 'slippery slope' issue that is of question.
 @jowsuf  @Jumblemuffin Anwar al-Awlaki made a video and took credit for actions that resulted in the death of Americans.Â
You hate your government so much you want to protect this terrorist?
 @jowsuf  @Jumblemuffin I believe that unfortunately, the terrorists did win to an extent after 9/11. They got us to change our way of life, accept sweeping security changes in trade for liberty and cheer the whole time this was happening. Then, surprise surprise, people can't understand why our rights are being violated (or at least attempting to be) on a regular basis. Our government has expanded way too far, and has garnered far too much power. The balance no longer exists between the 3 branches, and all 3 have way more power than they ever should have been allowed to obtain. It's time that changes.....unfortunately nobody wants to give up power easily.....
I don't see a problem with killing anyone, including Americans, living outside the country that has declared war on the USA.
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I have a much larger issue with how we treat Americans who are arrested here in this country. Forget torture, forget the invasion of Iraq, forget Gitmo, rendition...forget all of that. Think about the one case that we DO know of where an American citizen was arrested on US soil and detained illegally for nearly 4 years without charge or access to a lawyer. Because that DID happen under Bush.Â
 @lakeview "I don't see a problem with killing anyone, including Americans, living outside the country that has declared war on the USA."
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Is it a crime for an American citizen to "declare war" on the USA? Does this crime carry the death penalty?
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What Obama has done here goes far beyond anything Bush did. Bush claimed the right to spy on Americans; Obama claims the right to kill anybody in the world, including Americans.
Can we now arrest gang bangers BEFORE they commit a crime or do we ordinary citizens still have to wait until they've actually commited one?
 @tennistime If one of Anwar al-Awlaki plans comes into play and it kills hundreds of Americans. Do you still want to read these ex patriot's their rights?Â
Anwar al-Awlaki was the enemy of the US. He join a terrorist group whose main objective was to kill Americans, soldiers or civilians. He is on tape calling on the destruction of the US.The longer he lives the more Americans would die.Â
If a criminal is holding a gun and prepared to shot someone and the  cops shoot him first, was the criminal denied due process?
Anwar al-Awlaki was holding a gun on US. So tell me why he should be afforded the rights he is attacking?
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"I can't imagine the outrage if John Ashcroft and George Bush were the ones issuing these death sentences."
FED_UP.
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At the start of the Afghan war. Nobody would have questioned Bush or Ashcroft. They had the whole country behind them. Anwar al-Awlaki was part of those who attacked US on 9/11.
 @snoopy84 Anwar al-Awlaki was a low-level propaganda operative who was famous solely because President Obama targeted him for death. The risk, if any, he posed to the United States could not have possibly justified his extra-judicial assassination. In fact, it could reasonably be argued that killing al-Awlaki did more to harm U.S. interests than to help them, by demonstrating to the world that the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is no longer operative.
@Sutekh @snoopy84 I doubt killing a man who turned against his country hurt our interest. I noticed after that strike, the number 2 Â positions are getting harder to fill.
If we are willing to take out a once US citizen who is a tool for propaganda or worse, they are thinking this terrorist gig ain't so hot.Â
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I also doubt US citizen whom decide on domestic terrorism or felony crimes will get hit by a drone.
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 @Sutekh  @snoopy84 ROFL it is so amazing that you are being an apologist for even this guy. Snoopy is spot on.
Who would have ever thought we would need to reinstate the constitution. Â The problem is if it came up for a vote in the house or senate it wouldn't pass because both parties don't like to follow it. Â Face it our two party system has failed just like our founding fathers said it would.
I can't imagine the outrage if John Ashcroft and George Bush were the ones issuing these death sentences.   Almost daily I ask myself why the current administration gets a pass from the media on a multitude of policy decisions.  I still haven't come up with a credible defense.
 @FED__UP And you don't think Bush got a pass for Iraq, illegal wiretapping, torture, etc?Â
 @lakeview Certainly not from the media! Perhaps some overlooked and some accepted it, but for sure the media was on him like flies on fecal matter.
I guess habeas corpus and the constitution are dead. When the government has the right to kill its own citizens without a court process they've just used the constitution for toilet paper. Al Quaeda is not a threat to the US. The CIA built Al Quaeda in the early 80's out of the Afghanistan Mujahadeen fighters to fight the Russians. And the CIA is still using them to start wars all over the middle east. The laws are just for us little people.
Well how about this.... if you are a US citizen and are stupid to be in the same area as a Al...whatever its dam name is | you are taking your life into your own hands and being a US Citizen will not protect you...honestly I will just stay out of the crowd that is a likely target for a Raptor Drone with a missile on it... the tin foil hates are having a field day... and the ACLU... the person was in YEMEN meeting in the area with members of these terrorist organization... acceptable damage if you ask me... beats them getting to meet and plan anything that affects us back here at home... which remember folks this is happening in someone elses backyard and such preventative measures PROTECT that from happening here... I have no reservations about it whatsoever.... certainly wish it could apply to these child rapists - molesters - and other sickos here... we would not have so many of them behind bars taking up our money eating three squares a day, watching cable tv, and exploiting our laws to get public records any criminal should never be able to request like that sick freak asking for the records on those strippers... honestly I could care less about protecting people like that!
Translation: The President kills whomever he wants, however he wants, whenever he wants. Evidence? Proof? Constitutional lawyer Barack Obama needs none of these things. And get your grubby little judicial branch out of his business, thank you very much. After all, "there exists no appropriate judicial forum to evaluate these constitutional considerations."
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I now return you to the very important question of whether Beyonce lip-synched the National Anthem.
 @Sutekh It was shocking to me too.  However, if it doesn't affect wealth re-distribution, who really cares?
And no, she did not lip-sync.
I'm thinking the ACLU head office should be al-Qaida's next target. Maybe then they would change their mind.