Lawmakers postpone tough decisions on spending, debt

WASHINGTON (AP) - A last-minute deal will keep the U.S. from driving off the so-called "fiscal cliff," but higher taxes and continued political fighting in Washington threaten to shake the fragile economy well into 2013.
A bill passed by Congress late Tuesday averts widespread tax increases and delays deep spending cuts that had threatened to return the country to recession. World stocks went up in response.
Many economists were disappointed that Congress and the White House couldn't reach agreement on a broader deal to significantly reduce the deficit over the next 10 years. That could have boosted business and consumer confidence and accelerated growth.
"Nothing really has been fixed," said Joseph LaVorgna, an economist at Deutsche Bank. "There are much bigger philosophical issues that we aren't even addressing yet."
Lawmakers postponed tough decisions on government spending, giving themselves a reprieve from cuts that were scheduled to start taking effect automatically Jan. 1. That just sets the stage for more hard bargaining later. Spending cuts could hurt growth even more.
Another standoff is likely to arrive as early as February, when Congress will need to raise the $16.4 trillion federal borrowing limit so the government can keep paying its bills. House Republicans, who objected strongly to the latest fiscal deal Tuesday before the chamber finally voted to approve it, probably won't agree to raise the debt limit without offsetting spending cuts that Democrats are sure to resist.
President Barack Obama warned Republicans late Tuesday that "if Congress refuses to give the United States government the ability to pay these bills on time, the consequences for the entire global economy would be catastrophic, far worse than the impact of a fiscal cliff."
Meanwhile, the economy doesn't have much growth to give. Mark Vitner, senior economist at Wells Fargo, predicts it will expand just 1.5 percent in 2013, down from a weak 2.2 percent in 2012. Unemployment stands at 7.7 percent.
Ben Schwartz, chief market strategist for Lightspeed Financial, said unemployment was still likely to edge up and retail sales growth was likely to be weaker than last year.
"Regardless of a deal getting done, people on Wall Street are not going to run around giving high fives" in celebration, Schwartz said. "The federal government is obviously dysfunctional, to say the least."
The months-long political standoff over fiscal policy has already taken its toll, adding uncertainty that has discouraged consumers from spending and businesses from hiring and investing.
The fiscal cliff, with its Jan. 1 deadline to reach a deal over taxes and spending, was created to force Democrats and Republicans to compromise, and it barely succeeded. Without a deal, more than $500 billion in tax increases would hit the economy in 2013 alone, along with $109 billion in cuts from the military and domestic spending programs.
Negotiations to avert catastrophe have highlighted once again how far apart the two parties are on taxes (Republicans don't want to raise them) and spending (Democrats are reluctant to cut government programs).
"What induces the two sides to stop fighting and start compromising?" asked Ethan Harris, co-head of global economics at Bank of America Merrill Lynch.
Political gridlock has been rattling financial markets and shaking consumer and business confidence the past two years.
After a fight over raising the debt limit last year, the credit rating agency Standard & Poor's yanked the U.S. government's blue-chip AAA bond rating because it feared that America's dysfunctional political system couldn't deliver a credible plan to reduce the federal government's debt. S&P warned that "the differences between political parties have proven to be extraordinarily difficult to bridge."
The Dow Jones industrials dropped 635 points in panicked selling the first day of trading after the S&P announcement.
Outside Washington, the economy has been getting some good news. Europe's financial crisis appears to have eased. And the U.S. real estate market finally appears to be recovering from the housing bust.
But partisan divide has left businesses and consumers wondering what's going to happen to their taxes and to federal contracts.
Companies have plenty of cash. But they reduced spending on industrial equipment, computers and software from July to September, the first quarterly drop since mid-2009 when the economy was still in recession. And hiring has been stuck at a modest level of about 150,000 new jobs per month this year.
Consumer confidence fell in December for the second straight month, according to a survey by the Conference Board, which blamed the drop on worries about the fiscal cliff. The uncertainty is also believed to have hurt holiday shopping, which grew at the slowest pace this year since 2008.
A bill passed by Congress late Tuesday averts widespread tax increases and delays deep spending cuts that had threatened to return the country to recession. World stocks went up in response.
Many economists were disappointed that Congress and the White House couldn't reach agreement on a broader deal to significantly reduce the deficit over the next 10 years. That could have boosted business and consumer confidence and accelerated growth.
"Nothing really has been fixed," said Joseph LaVorgna, an economist at Deutsche Bank. "There are much bigger philosophical issues that we aren't even addressing yet."
Lawmakers postponed tough decisions on government spending, giving themselves a reprieve from cuts that were scheduled to start taking effect automatically Jan. 1. That just sets the stage for more hard bargaining later. Spending cuts could hurt growth even more.
Another standoff is likely to arrive as early as February, when Congress will need to raise the $16.4 trillion federal borrowing limit so the government can keep paying its bills. House Republicans, who objected strongly to the latest fiscal deal Tuesday before the chamber finally voted to approve it, probably won't agree to raise the debt limit without offsetting spending cuts that Democrats are sure to resist.
President Barack Obama warned Republicans late Tuesday that "if Congress refuses to give the United States government the ability to pay these bills on time, the consequences for the entire global economy would be catastrophic, far worse than the impact of a fiscal cliff."
Meanwhile, the economy doesn't have much growth to give. Mark Vitner, senior economist at Wells Fargo, predicts it will expand just 1.5 percent in 2013, down from a weak 2.2 percent in 2012. Unemployment stands at 7.7 percent.
Ben Schwartz, chief market strategist for Lightspeed Financial, said unemployment was still likely to edge up and retail sales growth was likely to be weaker than last year.
"Regardless of a deal getting done, people on Wall Street are not going to run around giving high fives" in celebration, Schwartz said. "The federal government is obviously dysfunctional, to say the least."
The months-long political standoff over fiscal policy has already taken its toll, adding uncertainty that has discouraged consumers from spending and businesses from hiring and investing.
The fiscal cliff, with its Jan. 1 deadline to reach a deal over taxes and spending, was created to force Democrats and Republicans to compromise, and it barely succeeded. Without a deal, more than $500 billion in tax increases would hit the economy in 2013 alone, along with $109 billion in cuts from the military and domestic spending programs.
Negotiations to avert catastrophe have highlighted once again how far apart the two parties are on taxes (Republicans don't want to raise them) and spending (Democrats are reluctant to cut government programs).
"What induces the two sides to stop fighting and start compromising?" asked Ethan Harris, co-head of global economics at Bank of America Merrill Lynch.
Political gridlock has been rattling financial markets and shaking consumer and business confidence the past two years.
After a fight over raising the debt limit last year, the credit rating agency Standard & Poor's yanked the U.S. government's blue-chip AAA bond rating because it feared that America's dysfunctional political system couldn't deliver a credible plan to reduce the federal government's debt. S&P warned that "the differences between political parties have proven to be extraordinarily difficult to bridge."
The Dow Jones industrials dropped 635 points in panicked selling the first day of trading after the S&P announcement.
Outside Washington, the economy has been getting some good news. Europe's financial crisis appears to have eased. And the U.S. real estate market finally appears to be recovering from the housing bust.
But partisan divide has left businesses and consumers wondering what's going to happen to their taxes and to federal contracts.
Companies have plenty of cash. But they reduced spending on industrial equipment, computers and software from July to September, the first quarterly drop since mid-2009 when the economy was still in recession. And hiring has been stuck at a modest level of about 150,000 new jobs per month this year.
Consumer confidence fell in December for the second straight month, according to a survey by the Conference Board, which blamed the drop on worries about the fiscal cliff. The uncertainty is also believed to have hurt holiday shopping, which grew at the slowest pace this year since 2008.
The title says it all. But President Obama did give them all a raise at the end of 2012. Fire them all I say, recall everyone and start over. No incumbents. Not one. The problem is we keep rewarding their bad behavior with a great salary and perks, so there's no personal incentive for them to fix the problems they've been elected to fix.
"Lawmakers postpone tough decisions...."
They are busy looking for another fiscal cliff and 11th hour. They are a bunch of monkeys S#@$%&%# footballs.
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I think "dysfunctional" is a very kind word for this fiasco. I'm totally disgusted. What part of "deep in debt" don't they understand? Adam Smith of Washington summed it up: We want $2 of goods and services and only want to pay $1 for them. The math doesn't work.
Just keep kicking the problem up the road until the entire thing collapses...
Is it just me, or is it starting to look like the Federal Government is no longer serving the interests of the States, and is actually starting to hurt them?
 @WalletVoter I would agree except that the states keep going to the feds for help because of their own overspending issues. catch22 there for sure. have to stop the red ink somewhere...
Now now everyone just stand down and pay more taxes.....
I love how Obama abuses the phrase, "meaningful change". He darn well has no intention of it unless it is all his. And, all his is debt plus 4 trillion more.
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$41 dollars already spent for every $1 "cut" is not being serious about anything. Notwithstanding, ballooning our debt to 20 trillion. Both parties need to go the way of the DoDo.
 @pbs7mm What would we expect from this con artist?
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a planned collapse of the dollar in order to bring in a one world currency..
then the central bankers will own it all..
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 @the unvarnished truth  @Blindman That is precisely why everyone should be putting together a backup water supply, food storage & other items to prepare for what is coming.
 @vadersith  @newdragon  @pbs7mm Won't work. In order for any fiat currency to work it has the have the faith of people and investors. No one even has faith in any of the fiat currencys that exist today, much less trying a new global currency.
If people want to help just pull your money and investments out of the half dozen major banks and transfer it into small local banks or credit unions. Without cash reserves or assets the banks can't meet their fractional reserve banking requirements.
 @newdragon  @pbs7mm That's why they're trying to cut down our gun rights.Â
I called my credit card company and asked them to raise my limit because I was having trouble spending way to much. They laughed and told me to stop overspending. Novel concept?
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Postponed is the key word here
 @cyclops Yep, kickin the can down the road... we're way down the road now. This country is on the verge of junk bond status.
Our short memories make us look stupid. Deals were made and compromises abounded as far back as 18 months ago. Mr. Obama pushed this all out until after the election. This is his alone, but he will never man up and own it.
And we continue to suffer the consequences of those we chose, through our votes, to "represent" us.
Both parties can take equal blame. Everyone in Washington is acting like they saved the day but all they have done is kicked the can down the road and we will facing all this bull*$#@ in a few more weeks. Maybe each member of the congress and senate need to bring in some of the people who put them in office and get some real time input from those of us who are bearing the brunt of this mess! Come on people!!! GET YOUR ACTS TOGETHER!!
The Republican party is in tatters. Boehner and Ryan both voted yes, Cantor voted no. About 40% of the GOP broke ranks and went with the Democrats, while the Tea Party members fought doing any deal. All that was really accomplished was kicking the can down the road. The GOP is so turned around, they can't even turn this bitter pill into a PR victory, by saying we essentially lowered taxes for over 99% of Americans with this deal (which although "spin" would be the truth).
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This was a further blow to Tea Party politics and the cry from the fringe right of, "no we need to be more conservative," has been further repudiated. The big concern that the GOP needs to face is in 2010. If a number of candidates get "primaried" and instead, candidates that are unelectable are put in their place, more seats will slip to the Democrats and the GOP will become more irrelevant.
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The GOP would be well served to break ranks with Tea Party and drive their own agenda, closer to the values of Reagan.
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...and he raised taxes three times in his administration. The Reagan tax rates were much higher than today's tax rates are.
How pathetic the republican party has become. They would have been better ff to just let the sequestration happen. The reason they didn't of course is because it would have pissed off all their donors from the military defense industry. But at least they would have put a dent in our bloated budget.
 @Blindman WHAT? The Dems have pushed over the cliff with spending. We just haven't hit the crash yet but we will,,,,we will
Shame on ANY public servant that doesn't truly have the people's best interests in mind in WHATEVER they legislate
They put off tough decisions? Obama says he won't negotiate on the debt ceiling? We continue to borrow nearly half of what w spend? Wow, I'm just shocked, positively SHOCKED! They really, REALLY hate our kids.
@RN1 - The debt ceiling has nothing to do with spending. It merely covers WHAT IS ALREADY SPENT.
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It's asinine to debate or negotiate on the debt ceiling itself. The budget / spending itself is the problem not whether or not the debt ceiling ix X or Y dollars. Hitting the debt ceiling is nothing more than a symptom of the problem. Negotiating on it is a fools errand. Â
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It's nothing more than if I had nearly perfect credit and went to the bank and asked them to increase the credit limit I have on my one and only credit card.  It's not the limit on the card that matters, it's how much I let you and I use the credit card.
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Let me try a second time - let's say you and I have a business together.  We get a credit line from the bank for $100,000.  We somehow manage to spend $110,000 supporting our business.  We run to the bank real quick and ask them to raise the credit line to $115,000 so that we don't have a check bounce. Is the problem the debt limit or our reckless spending?
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Let's attack the reckless spending and get the politics out of the debt ceiling question.
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 @FormerMarineSgt  @RN1 Yes, the debt ceiling DOES have something to do with it. If it's not changed, then the FedGov must prioritize, and spend some money on e some things that are authorized, and NOT spend it on other things. you make it sound so nice, like a company investing in useful P&E. It's more like a gambler with a steady job who keeps pissing away more than he earns, and he keeps going back to the loan shark year after year for another hit of "stimulus", until the loan shark cuts him off saying "no more - you can't even pay back what you already owe." So, the gambler has to decide rent, food, electricity, or gas? All *seem* critical, but he's got to choose. Until somethign happens and it FORCES the congress to start balancing things, the'll keep on kicking the can. How big a debt can we afford? What happens when the interest on the debt takes 100% of the tax revenues collected? What happens when the markets get so distorted that everything breaks? What then? I'd like to not find out the hard way, but historically, it's very, VERY painful.
@RN1 - yes, it won't be them though finding out the hard way, it will be us.
 @FormerMarineSgt  @RN1 FormerMarineSgt has it right. We are actually one of the few industrialized nations with a debt ceiling in the first place.
@newdragon You need to have the debt limit kick in before the spending/money is spent then. Not after it is spent. The latter makes absolutely no sense.
Meanwhile, in the back room, out of view of the public, BOTH parties are sucking on fine Cuban cigars, and sipping Cognac giggling maniacally at the fact that they're doing it to us again.........wake up people. Time to make them work for those huge, cushy, perk filled positions.
Or just hang every second of them for malfeasance in office.
@Wolfen - and how do you propose to do that?
Ah yes - the real TOUGH questions that they're SUPPOSED to be making to earn those perks & paychecks.
Give me a break.
Time to put Eric Cantor in as speaker of the House.  Boehner only knows how to cry and cave. This deal fixes nothing ans screws everyone.  We have a spending problem that congress attacked with tax increases.  There are not enough taxes that can be raised to fix this if we will not deal with spending.  Like using an ice pick to level Mt. Rainier.
@CountryCharacter - Eric Cantor doesn't know how to negotiate or comprimise. All he knows is how to block everything that doesn't fit into the small minded tea party mantra.  It would be far, far worse to have Cantor in there than Boehner.Â
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We need both sides to work together and to have neither side pulling the 'my way or the highway' and taking Americans hostage to get thier way as the House Republican have been doing.
 @FormerMarineSgt Sounds like you think that the deal we got was compromise.  In fact what we got was a Democrat version of "my way of the highway."  This was a one sided deal that ignored the real problem - run away spending.
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How about taking all the freeloaders who sit at home making babies to keep the money flow coming in. At least start getting some work for the money that is handed out.
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My recent exposure to the welfare system via a friend's unemployment was to say the least, disheartening...more like INFURIATING.
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Little spoiled indiscriminate baby breeders discussing who they could do to get what drugs/alcohol/show tickets...and how to turn food stamps into cash for cigarettes and tattoos.
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Clean out the fraud and make it a SAFETY NET like it was envisioned...not a multi-generational lifestyle.
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@newdragon @FormerMarineSgt Yes, defense spending is completely out of control and I'd agree wholeheartedly that we have to stop giving the contractors a blank check and providing military pork to every single state. I mean, why can't we consolidate our bases? It's obscene.
Voting all these fools out of office won't solve the political drama in DC. I wish it would but its far fetched to do so. Its the parties that dictate direction. They all go along with what their party directs them to do and not what the individual political members want to do. If them member doesn't go along with the program they don't get funding support for re-election.
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Ever wonder why every member of each party repeats the same mantra over and over? Does anyone stand up and speak for themselves anymore? Nope!
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Read the bill they passed. Why does Hollywood and Nascar get tax breaks? I say screw it and we should have did a triple-lendy off the cliff back to school style. It was more cut and dry and it eliminates the debate about spending issues.
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Once again we the people got the stick in the posterior regardless of which party you stick to.
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Thats true and the money donations go towards the party affiliation. I agree with you that the money talks. Until things are changed in politician's pay/benefits, lobbying, etc the current direction will sink us all. It amazes me that the same bozos keep getting re-elected time and time again.
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Another standoff is likely to arrive as early as February, when Congress will need to raise the $16.4 trillion federal borrowing limit so the government can keep paying its bills.
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Really? When will they ever learn. If they pushed this off to February, then get to work NOW. DO not wait until early february to begin negotiating... What a circus........
Democrats are awfully good at kicking the can down the road and saddling our kids and grandkids with mountains of Liberal debt.
@Attila "Liberal debt"? Um, we still have soldiers in Afghanistan and spending money in the middle east--Pakistan, India, etc. Sure, I'll own the debt of Medicare but defense spending is a FAR higher percentage of the overall debt and can hardly be considered "Liberal".
@Sheila Lechner W and Cheney need to âownâ the over sold and over priced Medicare Part D.
Right now, medicare/medicaid/CHIP are larger than defense. But the fact is, ALL defense is only a bit more than $700 B, but we are expected to borrow more than $1.2 Trillion, or nearly twice as much. It's not just defense (where there is stuff to cut). It's the accumulation of EVERYTHING. But the thing that is growing fastest in the Medicare portion of things.
@Attila -- you really think that Republicans are any better?
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They've have nearly a year and half to get thier act together on this fiscal cliff, and only AFTER the deadline do they come up with a plan to solve 1/2 of the problem.  Republicans are just as much to blame, regardless of what Fox News, Rush or any other right winger has to say.
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Yes, I do.
The Democrats campaign on SPENDING and giving pay-offs from the public purse to their constituency groups. It's people like you who keep Liberals in office who blow-up the deficit and massively increase our national debt. As our Obama economy continues to crater, I hope the continued impact of high unemployment and a moribund economy visits you and every other Obama leg-humper personally.Â
@Attila Who exactly was it that kept two over priced (in many more ways than one) wars and a way over priced Medicare Part D, plus interest and gawd only knows what else, off budget and on the China credit card? And then who was it that put that all on the budget? Finally. Think about it. If you even can that is. Not to even mention âfool me onceâ shrub, âdeficits donât matterâ and âitâs Hoover timeâ darth, âeast, west, south and north somewhatâ rummie, and give me a lot of money but donât ask me where it is goingâ paulson.
The "Obama economy" has been steadily improving....decreased unemployment, bankruptcies and even the dollar ticked up today. You also forgot that we had a surplus during the "Clinton economy"--another liberal.Â