Hunt for accused killer ex-cop moves into California mountains

BIG BEAR LAKE, Calif. (AP) - Police spent all night searching the snowy mountains of Southern California but were unable to find the former Los Angeles police officer accused of carrying out a killing spree because he felt he was unfairly fired from his job.
Authorities planned a midmorning Friday news conference about 80 miles east of LA at Big Bear Lake, where Christopher Dorner's torched pickup was found Thursday.
Local ski areas were open, but Bear Valley schoolchildren had the day off because of the manhunt.
About 150 miles to the south, up to 16 San Diego County sheriff's deputies spent the night surrounding and searching a rural home after a hoaxer reported Dorner was there. There were people at home but Dorner wasn't one of them, said Lt. Jason Rothlein. Investigators have a pretty good idea who made the call and will be seek criminal charges, he said.
Though the focus is on the resort area, the search for Dorner, 33, stretches across California, Nevada, Arizona and northern Mexico. LAPD officers are especially on edge because Dorner, who was fired from the force in 2008 after three years on the job, promised in rambling writings to bring "warfare" to police and their families.
"We don't know what he's going to do," said Cindy Bachman, spokeswoman for the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department, one of many law enforcement agencies whose primary purpose has become finding Dorner. "We know what he's capable of doing. And we need to find him."
Tracks that surrounded the truck and hours of door-to-door searching around Bear Mountain Ski Resort turned up nothing, and authorities conceded that the whereabouts of Dorner, also a former Naval reservist and onetime college running back, remained a mystery.
"He could be anywhere at this point," said San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon, who had 125 deputies and police officers and two helicopters searching the community of Big Bear Lake, where light snow fell early Friday morning.
The saga began Sunday night, when Monica Quan and fiance Keith Lawrence were found shot in their car at a parking structure at their condominium in Irvine. Quan was an assistant women's basketball coach at Cal State Fullerton.
The following morning in National City, near San Diego, some of Dorner's belongings, including police equipment and paperwork with names related to the LAPD, were found in a trash bin.
The LAPD was notified of the find, and two days later informed Irvine police of an angry manifesto written by a former officer and posted on Facebook. Among those named as targets was Randal Quan, a former LAPD captain turned attorney who represented Dorner in his unsuccessful attempts to keep the police job he lost in 2008 for making false statements.
Randal Quan was also Monica Quan's father.
"Bing bing bing, the dots were connecting," Irvine police Lt. Julia Engen said. "These names are somehow associated to Mr. Quan, who just lost his daughter the prior day. The dots connected. OK, now we've got a name of somebody to look at. That's when the discovery was connected."
On Wednesday night, Irvine and Los Angeles police announced they were searching for Dorner, declaring him armed and "extremely dangerous." Hours later, they learned they were all too correct.
Two LAPD officers en route to provide security to one of Dorner's possible targets were flagged down by a resident who reported seeing the suspect early Thursday at a gas station in Corona. The officers then followed a pickup truck until it stopped. The driver, believed to be Dorner, got out and fired a rifle, police said. A bullet grazed an officer's head.
Later, two officers on routine patrol in neighboring Riverside were ambushed at a stoplight by a motorist who drove up next to them and opened fire with a rifle. One died and the other was seriously wounded but was expected to survive, said Riverside police Chief Sergio Diaz.
Thousands of heavily armed officers patrolled highways throughout Southern California, while some stood guard outside the homes of people police said Dorner vowed to attack. Electronic billboards, which usually alert motorists about the commute, urged them to call 911 if they saw him.
At a news conference held amid heightened security in an underground room at police headquarters, Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck urged Dorner to surrender.
"Of course he knows what he's doing; we trained him. He was also a member of the Armed Forces," he said. "It is extremely worrisome and scary."
While in the Naval Reserves, Dorner earned a rifle marksman ribbon and pistol expert medal. He was assigned to a naval undersea warfare unit and various aviation training units, according to military records, taking a leave from the LAPD to be deployed to Bahrain in 2006 and 2007.
He wrote that he would "utilize every bit of small arms training, demolition, ordinance and survival training I've been given," the manifesto read.
The hunt led to two errant shootings in the pre-dawn darkness Thursday.
LAPD officers guarding a target named in the manifesto shot and wounded two women in suburban Torrance who were in a pickup truck delivering newspapers. Investigators said Maggie Carranza, 47, and her mother, Emma Hernandez, 71, were in a Toyota Tundra, similar to Dorner's Nissan Titan. Carranza had minor hand injuries. Hernandez was hospitalized with a gunshot wound in the back. A lawyer said they had no warning.
Minutes later, Torrance officers responding to a report of gunshots encountered a dark pickup matching the description of Dorner's, police said. A collision occurred and the officers fired on the pickup. The unidentified driver was not hit and it turned out not to be the suspect vehicle, they said.
In San Diego, where police said Dorner tied up an elderly man and unsuccessfully tried to steal his boat Wednesday night, Naval Base Point Loma was locked down Thursday after a Navy worker reported seeing someone who resembled Dorner.
Navy Cmdr. Brad Fagan said officials believe Dorner had checked into a base hotel on Tuesday and left the next day without checking out. Numerous agencies guarded the base on Thursday. Fagan said Dorner was honorably discharged and that his last day in the Navy was last Friday.
Nevada authorities also joined the search, because Dorner owns a house nine miles from the Las Vegas Strip.
In Big Bear, Dorner's pickup was taken to be processed at a crime lab Thursday evening and examined by investigators from multiple agencies.
The manhunt was affecting some local businesses. A couple of fast food restaurants shut their doors and only took drive-in customers, and the main shopping avenue had light foot traffic.
Dorner's writings suggested he did not expect to live through the ordeal.
"Unfortunately, I will not be alive to see my name cleared," he wrote at one point in his manifesto, later saying, "Self-preservation is no longer important to me. I do not fear death as I died long ago."
Authorities planned a midmorning Friday news conference about 80 miles east of LA at Big Bear Lake, where Christopher Dorner's torched pickup was found Thursday.
Local ski areas were open, but Bear Valley schoolchildren had the day off because of the manhunt.
About 150 miles to the south, up to 16 San Diego County sheriff's deputies spent the night surrounding and searching a rural home after a hoaxer reported Dorner was there. There were people at home but Dorner wasn't one of them, said Lt. Jason Rothlein. Investigators have a pretty good idea who made the call and will be seek criminal charges, he said.
Though the focus is on the resort area, the search for Dorner, 33, stretches across California, Nevada, Arizona and northern Mexico. LAPD officers are especially on edge because Dorner, who was fired from the force in 2008 after three years on the job, promised in rambling writings to bring "warfare" to police and their families.
"We don't know what he's going to do," said Cindy Bachman, spokeswoman for the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department, one of many law enforcement agencies whose primary purpose has become finding Dorner. "We know what he's capable of doing. And we need to find him."
Tracks that surrounded the truck and hours of door-to-door searching around Bear Mountain Ski Resort turned up nothing, and authorities conceded that the whereabouts of Dorner, also a former Naval reservist and onetime college running back, remained a mystery.
"He could be anywhere at this point," said San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon, who had 125 deputies and police officers and two helicopters searching the community of Big Bear Lake, where light snow fell early Friday morning.
The saga began Sunday night, when Monica Quan and fiance Keith Lawrence were found shot in their car at a parking structure at their condominium in Irvine. Quan was an assistant women's basketball coach at Cal State Fullerton.
The following morning in National City, near San Diego, some of Dorner's belongings, including police equipment and paperwork with names related to the LAPD, were found in a trash bin.
The LAPD was notified of the find, and two days later informed Irvine police of an angry manifesto written by a former officer and posted on Facebook. Among those named as targets was Randal Quan, a former LAPD captain turned attorney who represented Dorner in his unsuccessful attempts to keep the police job he lost in 2008 for making false statements.
Randal Quan was also Monica Quan's father.
"Bing bing bing, the dots were connecting," Irvine police Lt. Julia Engen said. "These names are somehow associated to Mr. Quan, who just lost his daughter the prior day. The dots connected. OK, now we've got a name of somebody to look at. That's when the discovery was connected."
On Wednesday night, Irvine and Los Angeles police announced they were searching for Dorner, declaring him armed and "extremely dangerous." Hours later, they learned they were all too correct.
Two LAPD officers en route to provide security to one of Dorner's possible targets were flagged down by a resident who reported seeing the suspect early Thursday at a gas station in Corona. The officers then followed a pickup truck until it stopped. The driver, believed to be Dorner, got out and fired a rifle, police said. A bullet grazed an officer's head.
Later, two officers on routine patrol in neighboring Riverside were ambushed at a stoplight by a motorist who drove up next to them and opened fire with a rifle. One died and the other was seriously wounded but was expected to survive, said Riverside police Chief Sergio Diaz.
Thousands of heavily armed officers patrolled highways throughout Southern California, while some stood guard outside the homes of people police said Dorner vowed to attack. Electronic billboards, which usually alert motorists about the commute, urged them to call 911 if they saw him.
At a news conference held amid heightened security in an underground room at police headquarters, Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck urged Dorner to surrender.
"Of course he knows what he's doing; we trained him. He was also a member of the Armed Forces," he said. "It is extremely worrisome and scary."
While in the Naval Reserves, Dorner earned a rifle marksman ribbon and pistol expert medal. He was assigned to a naval undersea warfare unit and various aviation training units, according to military records, taking a leave from the LAPD to be deployed to Bahrain in 2006 and 2007.
He wrote that he would "utilize every bit of small arms training, demolition, ordinance and survival training I've been given," the manifesto read.
The hunt led to two errant shootings in the pre-dawn darkness Thursday.
LAPD officers guarding a target named in the manifesto shot and wounded two women in suburban Torrance who were in a pickup truck delivering newspapers. Investigators said Maggie Carranza, 47, and her mother, Emma Hernandez, 71, were in a Toyota Tundra, similar to Dorner's Nissan Titan. Carranza had minor hand injuries. Hernandez was hospitalized with a gunshot wound in the back. A lawyer said they had no warning.
Minutes later, Torrance officers responding to a report of gunshots encountered a dark pickup matching the description of Dorner's, police said. A collision occurred and the officers fired on the pickup. The unidentified driver was not hit and it turned out not to be the suspect vehicle, they said.
In San Diego, where police said Dorner tied up an elderly man and unsuccessfully tried to steal his boat Wednesday night, Naval Base Point Loma was locked down Thursday after a Navy worker reported seeing someone who resembled Dorner.
Navy Cmdr. Brad Fagan said officials believe Dorner had checked into a base hotel on Tuesday and left the next day without checking out. Numerous agencies guarded the base on Thursday. Fagan said Dorner was honorably discharged and that his last day in the Navy was last Friday.
Nevada authorities also joined the search, because Dorner owns a house nine miles from the Las Vegas Strip.
In Big Bear, Dorner's pickup was taken to be processed at a crime lab Thursday evening and examined by investigators from multiple agencies.
The manhunt was affecting some local businesses. A couple of fast food restaurants shut their doors and only took drive-in customers, and the main shopping avenue had light foot traffic.
Dorner's writings suggested he did not expect to live through the ordeal.
"Unfortunately, I will not be alive to see my name cleared," he wrote at one point in his manifesto, later saying, "Self-preservation is no longer important to me. I do not fear death as I died long ago."
Hey gun-nuts! What does this say about your argument against restrictions on gun ownership by law-abiding citizens? Which is what this guy was - a cop, even! - until this happened.
 @nutz2u slight correction nutz... he wasn't a cop when this happened. He'd been fired quite some time back.
I really dont want to say this but I must be nuts, but I wanted to believe this crap was true but then the anti-gun, pro-Obama tirade begins in his manifesto (Manifestos now?). Is this a false flag operation or what? An active shooter who has already confessed his crimes, who despises guns in the hands of the common citizen and who argues that they should be banned. In one handy manifesto. Innocents being injured by guns, the whole 9 yards and its all just so convenient, I must be nuts.
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How does this happen so perfect and be so unbelievable? The perfect police work making the connections when these cops cant figure out a bus schedule? Sandy Hook with 100% kill rate? Where does that happen and when? Especially when you have footage of the alleged gun that was used in a trunk of a car the shooter had no access to? Forget it, I must be nuts.
 @T_BONE_WALKER Hey... the moon landings were faked also!!!
 @T_BONE_WALKER first off... the rifle pulled from the trunk was NOT the bushmaster... there's absolutely tons of literature on this... Please read it... secondly... If you are going to pull a "false flag operation"... you don't have a guy do it who writes about his admiration for the sitting president (unless of course you are trying to destroy the current president). The perfect kill rate at Sandy Hook? Well... a guy walking through an elementary school shooting cowering children at point blank range... that'll do it. You stated your conspiracy theory is a half embarrassed manner... You should be embarrassed. Shame on you for such a ludicrous post.Â
 @TruthinAdverts Yeah I feel just terrible about the accusation but, I felt terrible about caliing our government liars over the Gulf of Tonkin lies also.
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Desert Storm (First Gulf war), 1991): Hussein asked for permission from the US (via their ambassador April Gillespie) and got an answer that the US does not care Arab quarrels. Now we know that was a trap, and after Saddam occupied Kuwait, George Bush Sr. mobilized a coalition of some 40 nations to "liberate Kuwait" and to smash the recently-built Iraqi military power base. This also involved a media hoax, where the daughter of Kuwaiti US ambassador played nurse on TV and testified to "witnessing" Iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubators in Kuwait. Or,
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Enduring Justice (Second Gulf war), 20.3.2003-: later known with less irony as Operation Iraqi Freedom The claimed reason of the attack was that Iraq was a clear and present danger to the US with wmd's available within less than an hour after the decision to assemble them has been made. Since no wmd's were found, and after the Iraqi also scrapped some 800 long range Scud style missiles before the US coalition attack, the reason for the invasion was changed into "bringing the democracy into Iraq". Or,
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Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan invasion), 7.10.2001-: Without any evidence, the former CIA-asset, a Saudi-Arabian Osama bin Laden was claimed to be the mastermind behind the 9/11 strikes at the WTC and the Pentagon. Such a complex operation, if actually executed which it was not, in this case would be much beyond the capabilities of anything in Afghanistan. Only some top ten intelligence services in the world could hope to be successful in such an operation involving forgery, infiltration, living "underground" in a foreign non-Muslim country, coordination of moves, illegal arms, hi-quality flight training, accurate aircraft navigation in no-visibility conditions and so on. Perhaps even less, because the friends of the US (at that time, still most of the world) would also have been interested in stopping the attack. Or,
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I'd love to read some reasonable comments on here for a change... You know average folks who aren't part of the conspiracy for lunch bunch and ardently believing the unstable "manifesto" rants of an active murderer.
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âsunnysandiegoâ said almost exactly what I feel is the situation here. I do not mean to excuse murder, but if they had not pulled a âSeattle PDâ solution this would not have happened. They obviously pulled this âsweep it under the rugâ and throw an innocent sacrifice âunder the busâ on the wrong person. They unknowingly pulled this crap on an unstable individual and now have to live with it. It is also unfortunate that they will continue to harm innocent bystanders with no regard for rules of engagement. God help them if or when they kill an innocent party.Â
 @oldster70 I understand what you are saying as it should have been avoided. Did anybody at lapd realize or predict that Dorner was going to go all GEORGE13 on his former cop coworkers?
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I donât know what you are referring to with âGEORGE13â, but he obviously passed the background and other tests so, no they did not see this coming. For each of us there is a point where we could go ballistic. Otherwise sane individuals can break if pushed beyond that point. My children are so important to me that perhaps I would go ballistic if someone harmed one of them. GOD help you if you harmed one of my grandchildren. But what would I actually do? I can not tell you that it would be less than what this guy did, although I hope I would be more rational. I have been fired for a bogus reason before and that is just life, you pick up the pieces and move on.  Â
I agree with you that we don't know what would happen if we were pushed beyond "that" point. I would like to think that we could maintain control, but that is uncharted teritory.
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Here is your hip hop lingo lesson for today.
187 = to kill or be killed
george13= to jump a cop
51-50 (five-one-five-oh)= crazy
po-po = police
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Having read the unedited manifesto it makes you wonder how much of this could have been avoided if the police department had handled this matter differently.
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It really is starting to look like he was wronged and this is what spurs all the anger.
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The irony in this is the police departments in southern california are stopping black men all over the place AND shooting at innocent people in cars like his. Â Make you wonder since those were some of the issues with the LAPD. Â Also it's kind of ironic how they are having to feel the same feeling now of having to look over their shoulders at any moment in fear of the police but now the shoe is on the other foot and it's the police in LA who are all scared.
 @sunnysandiego I'm wondering how much of this could have been avoided if this individual didn't start murdering people... HE is the one responsible
Had the LAPD not thrown him âunder the busâ, and instead owned up to an out of control officer, this would not have happened. Now they (LAPD) have shot (in the back) two ladies who were just delivering newspapers, and wrecked another persons truck, one cop is dead as is an innocent young lady. This police department is as out of control as the NYPD is. He is responsible for the dead cop and the lawyers daughter. This is and has been one of the most fâed up police departments in the US.     Â
 @oldster70 agreed... that was the fault of those particular officers. Still, trying to blame LAPD for Dorner's murdering people is utterly ridiculous.
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 @oldster70 Once again... when it comes to who is responsible for dead people in this case, it's just him. You can speculate on whether this or that "might" have happened... or whether this murderer's story is even the truth at all, but the end result is that Dorner is responsible for his own actions... which is this case appear to clearly be murder.
Blast the area with REALLY LOUD Justin Bieber music. He'll surrender in no time!
Funny how so many on here have often talked about having to take up arms against a corrupt government. Not quite so pretty now is it. However tempting violence seems to be, non-violence is the better answer.
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It does appear that he was the victim of his own honesty; hard to be a whistleblower in a police department. No excuse for killing people though... hopefully this will lead to some soul searching on the part of the LAPD and perhaps some kind of reform.
 @albion Non violence is always the best answer but its not always possible. Dorner tried to do this non violently and within the law but the law is corrupt. He could have walked away. But people have been walking away from these corrupt government agencies for decades and it just makes things worse for all of us.
"Bing bing bing, the dots were connecting," Irvine police Lt. Julia Engen
Yes the dots are beginning to be connected because some honest media sites have released his uncensored manifesto. People are digging into it know and it appears Dorner was correct in his assessment of the complete LAPD. And whats funny is that Dorner's an anti gun liberal.lol Even he thinks he shouldn't have the right to own the guns he has bought legally. Can't wait for the LAPD to pull its next boner and shoot up some more innocent citizens.
 @Blindman it soundslike it is crazy down in cali. this morning they had a car chase on the 101 freeway on live tv cause the guy looked like dorner in a green military jacket driving a toyota tundra. turned out it was a mexigan guy who got spooked and ran. the cops gotta take it down a notch before they kill innocent people.
 @Blindman And what's really funny? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P1fhw_OcdPM#! Basically it's a cops saying that guns are ALWAYS for offense, and intimidation. And saying it at a press conference. Dude. Talk about a GREAT clip to play to play for evidence at a trial, to show why cops should NOT have guns.
Anyone ever notice how it's only people screaming about "liberals", and never people doing the same about "conservatives"?
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You guys keep throwing accusations at progressive minded people to hide the fact that you're using tragedy to push your political agenda.
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If you want to bash people with different ideologies than yours fine, but at least try to get some sound logic behind it. Crazy people come from all backgrounds, and all political leanings. The fact that you try to label people who have different political ideologies as being mentally deficient murders is abhorrent. It's thought processes like this that prevent us from having any real debates, as you're attacking a person in an effort to undermine their ideas, not refute or argue the ideas themselves. It's the idiots way out.
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I'm noticing a pattern, you speak as if the liberals are attacking you left and right on a personal level. I never see it on these boards, or in the media. Your ideas may be challenged, but never you as an individual. You claim to be the victims, but really you're aggressors who do so in an effort to avoid actually discussing/debating your ideas and beliefs.
to all of you Fing idiots supporting this MURDERER... he's murdered (MURDERED!) people who had nothing to do with the LAPD you morons. He's a murderer... and rest assured... He's going to be brought to justice. Have no illusions that the small % of you whacked out nutjobs who've found each other on the internet have any true voice in America. You're noise... pure and simple.Â
 @TruthinAdverts Actually the only people that have been killed are people connected with the LAPD. They were family members of the corrupt cops involved. Don't think its the right thing to do butt yet our own government is guilty of the same kind of actions. Law of physics, for each action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The riots in LA years ago were a reaction to LAPD's violent tactics and I expect that LA should probably brace itself for another one.
 @Blindman and regarding your claims of forthcoming major riots... how long should we agree to wait until you admit you were wrong?
 @Blindman  @TruthinAdverts the Riverside cop who was shot and killed was neither LAPD, nor family... You are condoning murder and all your "buts" don't change that fact
 @TruthinAdverts alleged murderer
 @lakeview  @TruthinAdverts Yeah, I think we're way past alleged.
 @lakeview that's fine lakeview... an alleged murderer who announced he was going to murder people and has clearly acted on his threat. I imagine the family of that Riverside cop... If you can't keep the reality of this strait in your head.. I feel for you
 @lakeview  @TruthinAdverts OMG they are so crazy down in los angeles. i cant expess how insane it is with cops shooting up neighborhoods because they thought they heard someone shooting at them.
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can you imagine a couple hundred felony stops with guns drawn and how potentially traumatized and angry people are.
 @lakeview  @TruthinAdverts What is going on? Cops acting like cops when they realize they are the hunted, not the bullies in charge they normally are. They are afraid, and acting accordingly.
 @TruthinAdverts You're lashing out for no reason. He can be both a murderer as well as a victim of LAPD shenanigans.Â
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And frankly it says a lot that cops are shooting up random cars and nearly killing people over it without giving any warning to them. Shooting old women in the back?Â
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They obviously want this guy silenced in a bad way. Wonder why...maybe because he worked around a bunch of corrupt LAPD?Â
 @lakeview consider the many times you've scoffed at the right wingers on here who've come on with their conspiracy theories... consider that while you are busy posting your own
 @TruthinAdverts You're jumping to conclusions. I never said that there was a conspiracy. He clearly shot and killed people. But that doesn't mean that there is zero truth to what he's said.Â
 @lakeview  @TruthinAdverts What he said? You realize he idolized Obama and Feinstein and said how great they were. But no one in the media wants to talk about it, even though they pushed every connection they could between the guy who shot Giffords in AZ and the right wing tea party. Ridiculous hypocrisy.Â
 @lakeview Exactly that.
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Read the guys manifesto. It's long and he rants a lot, but their seem to be a few things that seem like they could be true in regards to the corruption at the LAPD. I'd like to think I'd have more faith in the police, but a lot of the things the guy wrote about seemed to sound a lot like the corruption we've seen here in Seattle....
So the cops knew that an ex "one of their own" was unstable and dangerous. How does this nut get weapon's and kill people without being thrown in the State Hospital first? Â Focus on the nuts, not the guns!
 @SensationaLies The funny thing is this guy wrote about gun laws in his manifesto, and stated that it was way to easy to obtain his weapons. He exposed a loop hole he used, and expressed his hopes that his actions would bring light to it and help form laws that would prevent people from easily obtaining dangerous weapons.
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I'm not condoning what this guy has done, but after reading what he wrote it's clear that he's not just some wacko. The guy had both of his careers stripped from him because he attempted to be a whistle blower against a crooked cop. Again, what he's doing is wrong, but I can understand why he's so pissed at the LAPD.
He is a coward. Man up, get over it and move on. Instead, he has caused massive suffering for his own wrongdoings. What is it going to solve to kill others and get killed in the process?  Coward.
This sounds like a real life Rambo. I just hope innocent people aren't hurt- that would suck.
@Scoondog Innocent people already have been hurt. He killed two and the police have shot innocent people by mistake while looking for him. He is causing exactly the hysterics he was surely hoping for.
 @Gottadance  @Scoondog These 2 people weren't necessarily innocent. They were just unlucky to have a corrupt cop for a dad. Its called blowback. Eventually the ledgers have to be balanced in some way. Dorner did everything in his legal power to balance the ledgers but the corrupt system failed him. Its happened to millions of people in this country. Most just give in to the weakness and move on, this one was battle trained and chose not to give into weakness. The civilian population is safe. The only ones that need to fear are the corrupt that destroyed his career. Read up on another LAPD officer by the name of Michael Ruppert. He was put in the same position and had to flle the country for a while because LAPD officers were threatening his life.
 @Gottadance  @Scoondog Nuke the b@$t@rd
The Cops have shot up 2 INNOCENT vehicles so far, and shot a 71 yr old woman in the back looking for this guy.
Quite the official freak-out for just one guy. But of course, the left says that it can impose gun restrictions that the people don't want, because tens of millions of gun owners can't stand up to the cops. Uh-huh.
I also think that it's funny to watch Piers Morgan, who is explicitly called out and praised in this nuts' manifesto, is silents on how people spouting hate "inspired" the shooter, after he called on Sarah Palin to apologize for her "hate speech" that 'inspired" Gabby Giffords shooter. One standard for me, another for thee. Hypocrisy, your name is "Piers." It is also interesting that the shooter has lots of good things to say about Obama and leftist politicians, and he's a big fan of gun control....
 @RN1 Just because someone who's doing a bunch of screwed up stuff praises you, doesn't mean you're beholden to their actions.
 @MythAlpha  @RN1 That was precisely RN1's point. The hysterics that fell upon Sarah Palin who had nothing to do with Gifford's assailant yet ,"Crickets for Piers Anon."
 @Getov Mylon  @MythAlpha  @RN1 I don't remember Piers Morgan making campaign advertisements with red crosshairs on specific political candidates.Â
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What hate speech are you talking about? Is this another one of your guys' false equivalency thingies?Â
 @MythAlpha BINGO! But the left keeps trying to toss the responsibility for murders and mass shootings at the feet of the NRA, various conservative personalities, and such, yet they don't do so when the shooters points to THEM for inspiration. A blatant double standard.
 @K. Coleman  @RN1  @MythAlpha I wouldn't say that watching FOX informs or educates in any fashion. Some of the most uninformed people I know watch FOX "news." MSNBC isn't much better but at least you can get some facts there.
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 I, like you, am a firm believer in watching BOTH sides.  One cannot make a decision or choice without contrasting points of view.  Yes people, watch FOX News, watch MSNBC, I know one or the other will probably pizz you off, but THAT IS GOOD.  When someone tells you, "You should not watch Fox", or that "MSNBC sucks", they are trying TO CONTROL YOU and prevent you from becoming informed or educated or having a mind of your own.
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Some of the harder headed may even learn to treat others the way they would like to be treated, because after all, they have an OPINION, so others should be are entitled to have one too, free of name calling.
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 @MythAlpha I don't watch TV much either, and don't have cable. But "on-line" covers a wide range of news sources, from Pravda and CNN to WorldNetDailey or FOX. You should try some of the more right-leaning sighs, and they will show you LOTS of clips from left-leaning sites showing this sort of allegation, and constant "guilt by association."
 @RN1 I guess I don't see that as much. I notice talks about guns specifically, and challenges to ideas and beliefs held by such people, but never the kind of attacks that seem to come from the other side.
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I could be wrong. I might just not see it. I really only get my news online, and don't have cable television....
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If I am wrong, I agree that there shouldn't be that kind of double standard.
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We should be discussing/debating our ideas and beliefs with each other, not trying to disprove each others ideas by attacking each other directly.
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It's time to stop pointing fingers at each other, and realize that the real problem is with all of us as a whole.
 @MythAlpha  @RN1 Do I hear an "amen" from Jodie Foster?
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Also, although Dorner's manifesto does sound like he leans left, at one point he claims that the candidate he favored in 2012 was Jon Huntsman. He doesn't explain what he likes about Huntsman, but presumably it's not his position on an assault weapons ban!