In Israel, Romney declares Jerusalem to be capital

JERUSALEM (AP) - Standing on Israeli soil, U.S. presidential candidate Mitt Romney on Sunday declared Jerusalem to be the capital of the Jewish state and said the United States has "a solemn duty and a moral imperative" to block Iran from achieving nuclear weapons capability.
"Make no mistake, the ayatollahs in Iran are testing our moral defenses. They want to know who will object and who will look the other way," he said. "We will not look away nor will our country ever look away from our passion and commitment to Israel."
The presidential election hovered over the speech. The Old City formed a made-for-television backdrop behind Romney, while some of his campaign donors listened in the audience.
In his remarks, Romney steered clear of overt criticism of President Barack Obama, even though he has accused the present administration in the past of not doing enough to prevent Iran from potentially developing nuclear weapons.
But in an unspoken rebuttal to Obama and other critics, Romney said "It is sometimes said that those who are the most committed to stopping the Iranian regime from security nuclear weapons are reckless and provocative and inviting war.
"The opposite is true. We are the true peacemakers," he said.
The former Massachusetts governor also stepped back from a comment a senior aide made a short while before the speech.
"We recognize Israel's right to defend itself," he told the audience. Earlier, the aide, Dan Senor, previewed the speech for reporters, saying that "if Israel has to take action on its own, in order to stop Iran from developing the capability, the governor would respect that decision."
Israel is the second of three stops on an international trip for Romney in the weeks before he claims the Republican nomination at his party's national convention in Tampa, Fla.
He flew to the Middle East from Britain, where he caused a stir by questioning whether officials there were fully prepared for the Olympic Games. A stop in Poland will complete his trip.
Romney's embrace of Israel was on display earlier in the day when he met with Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu and other leaders. He also visited the Western Wall, Judaism's holiest site, where he was mobbed by worshippers.
In addition, Romney met with Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad.
Romney's declaration that Jerusalem is Israel's capital was in keeping with claims made by Israeli governments for decades, even though the United States, like other nations, maintains its embassy in Tel Aviv.
He did not say if he would order it moved if he wins the White House, but strongly suggested so in a CNN interview.
"My understanding is the policy of our nation has been a desire to move our embassy ultimately to the capital (Jerusalem)," he said, adding, "I would only want to do so and to select the timing in accordance with the government of Israel."
His remarks on the subject during his speech drew a standing ovation from his audience, which included Sheldon Adelson, the American businessman who has said he will donate millions to help elect Romney to the White House.
In his speech, Romney said Syrian President Bashar Assad "desperately clings to power" in Damascus in the face of an attempted overthrow, but he did not call for his removal.
He noted that Egypt is now headed by an "Islamist president, chosen in a Democratic election. ... The international community must use its considerable influence to insure that the new government honors the peace agreement with Israel that was signed by the government of Anwar Sadat" more than three decades ago, he said.
A goal of Romney's overseas trip is to demonstrate his confidence on the world stage, but his stop in Israel also was designed to appeal to evangelical voters at home and to cut into Obama's support among Jewish voters and donors. A Gallup survey of Jewish voters released Friday showed Obama with a 68-25 edge over Romney.
Romney and other Republicans have said Obama is insufficiently supportive of Israel, noting statements the president has made about settlements and his handling of evident Iranian attempt to develop nuclear weapons.
Tehran is closer to developing nuclear weapons capability than before, Romney said. "Preventing that outcome must be our highest national security priority."
In a March speech before a pro-Israel lobby in Washington, Obama warned of "loose talk of war" that serves only to drive up oil prices. "Now is not the time to bluster," he said then. "Now is the time to let our increased pressure sink in and sustain the broad international coalition we have built."
It was unlikely that the day's events would settle the issue.
Obama's former press secretary, Robert Gibbs, told ABC's "This Week" that the administration has delayed Iran's nuclear program. The president has imposed U.S. penalties against Iran and worked to tougher strictures applied by other nations. There have been numerous published reports of a coordinated U.S.-Israeli cyberattack that caused damage to Iranian equipment vital to creating weapons-grade nuclear material.
Even so, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said before the speech that "all the sanctions and diplomacy so far have not set back the Iranian program by one iota."
Whatever the reality, the administration has taken steps in recent days to reassure Israel of its support.
Most notably, Obama approved an increase in assistance to strengthen a missile defense system that is designed to protect Israel from rocket attacks launched from the Gaza.
Senor's comments caused a stir in the hours leading to Romney's speech, a reminder of the controversy that Romney had created a few days earlier in London.
He later clarified his comments in a written statement, saying that the candidate "believes we should employ any and all measures to dissuade the Iranian regime from its nuclear course and it is his fervent hope that diplomatic and economic measures will do so. In the final analysis, of course, no option should be excluded."
Pentagon officials have spoken publicly about the difficulty of such a strike and American officials have expressed concern about the destabilizing effect such military action could have in the region, even if carried out successfully.
"Make no mistake, the ayatollahs in Iran are testing our moral defenses. They want to know who will object and who will look the other way," he said. "We will not look away nor will our country ever look away from our passion and commitment to Israel."
The presidential election hovered over the speech. The Old City formed a made-for-television backdrop behind Romney, while some of his campaign donors listened in the audience.
In his remarks, Romney steered clear of overt criticism of President Barack Obama, even though he has accused the present administration in the past of not doing enough to prevent Iran from potentially developing nuclear weapons.
But in an unspoken rebuttal to Obama and other critics, Romney said "It is sometimes said that those who are the most committed to stopping the Iranian regime from security nuclear weapons are reckless and provocative and inviting war.
"The opposite is true. We are the true peacemakers," he said.
The former Massachusetts governor also stepped back from a comment a senior aide made a short while before the speech.
"We recognize Israel's right to defend itself," he told the audience. Earlier, the aide, Dan Senor, previewed the speech for reporters, saying that "if Israel has to take action on its own, in order to stop Iran from developing the capability, the governor would respect that decision."
Israel is the second of three stops on an international trip for Romney in the weeks before he claims the Republican nomination at his party's national convention in Tampa, Fla.
He flew to the Middle East from Britain, where he caused a stir by questioning whether officials there were fully prepared for the Olympic Games. A stop in Poland will complete his trip.
Romney's embrace of Israel was on display earlier in the day when he met with Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu and other leaders. He also visited the Western Wall, Judaism's holiest site, where he was mobbed by worshippers.
In addition, Romney met with Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad.
Romney's declaration that Jerusalem is Israel's capital was in keeping with claims made by Israeli governments for decades, even though the United States, like other nations, maintains its embassy in Tel Aviv.
He did not say if he would order it moved if he wins the White House, but strongly suggested so in a CNN interview.
"My understanding is the policy of our nation has been a desire to move our embassy ultimately to the capital (Jerusalem)," he said, adding, "I would only want to do so and to select the timing in accordance with the government of Israel."
His remarks on the subject during his speech drew a standing ovation from his audience, which included Sheldon Adelson, the American businessman who has said he will donate millions to help elect Romney to the White House.
In his speech, Romney said Syrian President Bashar Assad "desperately clings to power" in Damascus in the face of an attempted overthrow, but he did not call for his removal.
He noted that Egypt is now headed by an "Islamist president, chosen in a Democratic election. ... The international community must use its considerable influence to insure that the new government honors the peace agreement with Israel that was signed by the government of Anwar Sadat" more than three decades ago, he said.
A goal of Romney's overseas trip is to demonstrate his confidence on the world stage, but his stop in Israel also was designed to appeal to evangelical voters at home and to cut into Obama's support among Jewish voters and donors. A Gallup survey of Jewish voters released Friday showed Obama with a 68-25 edge over Romney.
Romney and other Republicans have said Obama is insufficiently supportive of Israel, noting statements the president has made about settlements and his handling of evident Iranian attempt to develop nuclear weapons.
Tehran is closer to developing nuclear weapons capability than before, Romney said. "Preventing that outcome must be our highest national security priority."
In a March speech before a pro-Israel lobby in Washington, Obama warned of "loose talk of war" that serves only to drive up oil prices. "Now is not the time to bluster," he said then. "Now is the time to let our increased pressure sink in and sustain the broad international coalition we have built."
It was unlikely that the day's events would settle the issue.
Obama's former press secretary, Robert Gibbs, told ABC's "This Week" that the administration has delayed Iran's nuclear program. The president has imposed U.S. penalties against Iran and worked to tougher strictures applied by other nations. There have been numerous published reports of a coordinated U.S.-Israeli cyberattack that caused damage to Iranian equipment vital to creating weapons-grade nuclear material.
Even so, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said before the speech that "all the sanctions and diplomacy so far have not set back the Iranian program by one iota."
Whatever the reality, the administration has taken steps in recent days to reassure Israel of its support.
Most notably, Obama approved an increase in assistance to strengthen a missile defense system that is designed to protect Israel from rocket attacks launched from the Gaza.
Senor's comments caused a stir in the hours leading to Romney's speech, a reminder of the controversy that Romney had created a few days earlier in London.
He later clarified his comments in a written statement, saying that the candidate "believes we should employ any and all measures to dissuade the Iranian regime from its nuclear course and it is his fervent hope that diplomatic and economic measures will do so. In the final analysis, of course, no option should be excluded."
Pentagon officials have spoken publicly about the difficulty of such a strike and American officials have expressed concern about the destabilizing effect such military action could have in the region, even if carried out successfully.
In Kenya, where Obama was born, Obama declares Nairobi to be the capital.
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OMG It's Romney looking at things!
Wow. That's pretty good, a man who wants to lead the government of the US actually knowing that the capital of Israel is Jerusalem [it's been the Israeli capital since 1967].
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But hey, at least it isn't Rick Perry mixing up Turkey with Georgia.
 @svensson He's a buffoon nonetheless. Depending upon what direction the political wind is coming from, Mitt changes his mind or flip flops. Unfortunately for him, many of his previous stances on issues have been recorded. He brings new meaning to Slick Willy.Â
@HallandOates That just makes him a politician. After all, no campaign promise survives contact with the Oath of Office...
Politically, I'm a centrist/moderate, which makes for entertaining political theater every four years. I will give Obama a lot of credit... His presidency has been a lot more moderate than I had originally feared he was going to be.
And I have to admit that watching my conservative friends completely tie themselves into knots over the idea of voting for a New England Yankee Mormon conservative over a Midwest Yankee Black man instead of a 'proper conservative' [a Southern Baptist white man from the deep South] has been pretty funny....
"In Israel, Romney declares Jerusalem to be capital"
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That's because it is.
@Mumblix Grumph
Palestine also declares Jerusalem as their capital. There lies part of the problem.
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Israel wasn't even a country until 1948. How would Americans react if Russia took over our country and decided that WA DC (or any US city) was now the capital of Russia? We surely wouldn't embrace that decision now would we.Â
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 @HallandOates  @Mumblix Grumph ROFL you might want to go back to school for a bit, Israel was a nation for over 1,300 years a long time before the
"trans-jordanians" left the land at the bidding of the Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian, Iraqi, Saudi Arabian and Iranian governments tried to convince them that if they left they would destroy all the Jews and push them into the sea. But no, they lost to the Israeli's and the only reason those "camps" exist is because none of those Muslim nations want anything to do with those "trans-jordanian/palestinians" & have steadfastly refused to allow them to be a part of their cultures. Yea they care about them so much that they would rather use their status to continue the lie that the Israelis are at fault.
 @iloverain Wow, uh no I would say you are. Can't say I have read about many Israeli's blowing up themselves on buses or hijacking planes or taking hostages at the Olympics and killing them all or daily raining rockets into a sovereign nation & on & on & on as Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah, Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood and any of the dozens upon dozens of those death cultists do.
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Try again, maybe CAIR has some new talking points for you to use.
Right, because Palestinians are terrorists, but when Israel attacks them, Israelis aren't terrorists?
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Go and look up the definition of terrorism. Both sides are guilty. Your facts are slanted. @Gaikokujin
 @HallandOates No my facts aren't slanted at all. Everything that I posted above is a FACT !!
@Gaikokujin @HallandOates @Mumblix The  Balfour Declaration is just some words on a paper that favored one group to have a homeland. this tied the hands of the British until they came up with the white pages then all hell broke looose. Maybe the British and the French should have left well enough alone.
After all, the jew and the arab are cut from the same bloodine.
 @Gaikokujin Your "facts" aren't slanted at all are they as I presume you're Jewish?
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The truth of the matter is one side can say one thing while the other side can say another. Hatred for each other runs deep and has for hundreds of years. The Jews and Palestinians also have a right to be treated as humans. Palestine as much as Israel is entitled to a homeland.Â
 @snoopy84  @Gaikokujin  @HallandOates  @Mumblix As to the first part, yes the Irgun were terrorists, definitely. As to the rest, your facts are incorrect. Jews had still lived in that area & co existed with the Muslims of that area in Jerusalem for at least 100 years before the 1918 Balfour Declaration, let alone post WW2. Â
@Gaikokujin @HallandOates @Mumblix Grumph The bplace was known as Palestine, the Arabs lived there. After WWII and the British allowing some jews to settle their in bigger numbers. Yet, the conflict goes back to 1918.
Anyway to say that PLO was terrorist group is fine as long as call the jewish group "The Irgun" a terrorist group who bomb and attack British soldiers killing many. The Jews took land from another group of people and the UN let them create a state. Why is one group allowed to be terrorist and the group scorned.
That is a story the evangilcals can explain.
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Okay, let's settle a couple of things about this right now... The Palestinians weren't even a nation or people [as one might differentiate between someone racially Turkish and citizen of Turkey of whatever descent] until 1949.That was the year when the Arab League [Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Iran, with financial support for the Saudi's] refused to take in Arab refugees after their first attempt to drive the Jews into the sea ended with the Jews [now Israelis] controlling twice the land that the UN orginally mandated for them.
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Let's make that abundantly clear... The Israeli Jews were perfectly willing to accept the UN mandate that the State of Israel would only include Jewish-owned property [properties they purchased from local Arab sheiks at hugely inflated prices]. The Arab League attacked those Jews in an attempt to exterminate them and lost.
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Since then, the Arabs have made the refugees, now dubbed 'Palestinians', as a cause celebre' to constantly irritate world opinion over the existance of Israel and to construct a ready-made insurgency for low-intensity warfare against the Jewish state. All this because EVERY Arab nation in the Middle East refuses to grant the 'Palestinians' full citizenship, treating them instead as the 'wetbacks' of the Arab world... an underclass of cheap, easily exploited labor.
 @svensson  @HallandOates  @Mumblix Absolutely correct
 @HallandOates When was "Palestine" a recognized nation?
 @Mumblix Grumph When it was called Transjordan, and ruled by the British from 1928 through 1946...and was considered an Arab/Palestinian nation.
http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/his_transjordan.html
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It was never a Jewish "nation" until the survivors of the Holocaust began settling there - and used terrorist tactics to drive the British out.For example:
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 @Mumblix Grumph Not according To the US State department it is Telaviv.
The war drums are beating already and this joke of a presidential candidate isn't even president. We (middle /working class Americans) are in trouble if he ever does become president. Our family has an absolute disdain for this man! Flip-flopping outsourcing Mitt Raw Money -venture capitalist at heart. He'll do anything for a buck. It's so funny how most of the republicons couldnt' stand this man and his religion (Mormon) but now that he's the candidate, he's acceptable. We despise the GOP and all they stand for. Representing: corporations, millionaires, billionaires, right wing extremists, hatred, intolerance, and the wackos.Â
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so you support abortions at a rate of 4000 per day and letting Iran destroy Israel?
 @HallandOates ROFL
 @Gaikokujin Yeah And that JOKE OF a President in the white is what? Anti Semitic!
 @wynooheeman President in the "white"? I have no idea who that guy in the white is, but he isn't the Israeli president
Is Romney's speech any different than what Obama's is already doing? Also, wasn't Romney whom avocated attacking Iran during the premaries? Isn't Romney the same same guy all the other GOP canidates attacked for his Bain Capital dealings? Do the GOP understand that Romney now has Cheney, Rove and Bolton nudging thier way into circle for the encore of GWB policies that got us into Iraq?
Look out Romney voter, be careful what you wish for, you might get it. I wonder which son Romney would send to war when he attacks Iran? how about this, ""Each of my five sons gave two years of their life to the service of their church, and I consider that service to be laudable. But I very highly value those who serve in the military. But it is a volunteer military and I hope that we keep it that way."
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Yeah, because serving 2 years trying to create new Mormons is SO much more important than serving in the military.
 @snoopy84 Glad you supported Ms. Palin when her son went off to war. Or did I miss that?
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When are you guys gonna give UP on Bain? it makes you look...well... silly.  Especially when one of Obumblers Bundlers is an Exec for Bain NOW. I don't see O giving the money back.
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You just proved that both parties are the same. All they want is more money. Good job. @Sid Vishess
 @Sid VishessYou know what I find curious... Your candidate is running on his business record... So, rightfully, we should have a look at his business record... In fact, crack those books wide open because 1. He  Might be running our country, and 2. I don't want a criminal running our country, so.... what you SHOULD be saying is "Go ahead! Look all you want.. Our candidate is clean" But you're *not* saying that... you're saying quite the opposite. So... how much are you really behind your candidate?.... When I was gearing for my military service I had to undergo an extensive background check involving the FBI and local authorities so I could perform my duties. I didn't quite have the luxury of telling the FBI that "Enough is enough...You've looked as far as you're going to look..." So... Obama gaffs and blunders aside, how much *are* you behind your candidate?Â
 @iloverain Johnny On the Spot in a 3 week old thread, eh?
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How is the tanning tax racially discriminatory? That makes no sense. You don't go into a tanning bed and come out a different "race", if that's what you are suggesting. @Sid Vishess
 @Poisonous Giraffe I just spent an hour researching your companies above. So far all I have been able to find is that most of these companies were already hurting when Bain swept in, invested money and tried to get them above water. What I also found is that while there are a handful of no-name companies and an already failing toy store, there are also 100s of companies that have been created or are top investors in and are successful household names such as Burger King, Staples, Sports Authority, Dunkin Donuts, AMC Entertainment, Bombadier, Burlington Coat Factory, Clear Channel, Dominoes, Toy R Us, Michaels, Gymboree, Guitar Center and 100s more! So the best you can come up with is a bunch of no name failing companies that they tried to save that caused the lay off of a few 1000 people and I can come up with 100s of successful companies that created 100,000+ jobs? I think your case is bankrupt!
".... So being friends with know terrorist who killed Americans and bombed the Pentagon and killed cops ...."
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Proof, please?
 @Poisonous Giraffe Now I know you are a fraud...I just read three articles on GST Steel (which by the way wasn't aquired by Bain, it was bought from a dying steel company, 800 million of Bain's money was pumped in and it was renamed GST Steel).  There is an article from the WSJ that is called "Vampire Capitalism: Please, by Kimberly Strassel that explains this suppposed black mark on Bain!
 @Sid Vishess "I theorize that he is going to release the returns at an advantageous time"
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So...you think that Romney is a manipulator who assumes that the US public will assume he did this "for the good of the nation"...? Even though he previously has stated there is "no reason" not to trust him?
And if he does this after weeks of pressure from the Obama camp, he doesn't look like he has caved in to pressure?
He's dug this hole himself.
 @OrcasThunder I theorize that he is going to release the returns at an advantageous time.In the meantime, the Obama Election Machine will have spent vast amounts of time and energy on it.  And when they do come out, it will tell the public that he makes darn good money. And that he spends a lot on charity. Something everybody already knows.
 @Sid Vishess What's your point? His father released over a decade of returns - and lost.
So what?
The only way the returns can hurt him is if there is something he wants to hide.
 @Sid Vishess If there is nothing wrong with the returns, why not release them?
There is a long history of openness about tax returns for Presidential candidates.
And don't try to divert the issue.
 @OrcasThunder Oh yeah... how well did releasing his returns work out for him in his bid for the Presidential nomination in 1968?
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The IRS doesn't have a problem with them.
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But man, I would like to take a gander at the college transcripts of both candidates. That would be a hoot.
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Romney: Business Statistical Modeling and Mathematics 401-  Grade: 4.0
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Obama:  Critical Race Theory and Grievance Class Constructs in the 20th Century (pass/fail) Grade:P
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"You would think that the IRS and SEC HAVE seen his records and if there were any impropriety,"
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Which records? The real ones, or the cooked ones?
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All he has to do is release the returns just like his father did, and this could all go away. ALL he does with this act is feed the rumors.
 @whoareyou Did you even bother to research the companies I listed? Didn't think so.. you just found it easier to retort with no evidence... Lazy thinking.
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..and once again I didn't talk about Obama because we're not talking about Obama.. Stay on-topic.
 @Poisonous Giraffe Carpetbombing the discussion? This article is about Israel and Iraq, not Bain Capital! Talk about hypocrisy!Â
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"I won't do your research for you"..in other words you had nothing to back up your accusations against Bain, beyond that which you just googled! Thought so!
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Thanks for admitting that Bain created 100,000 jobs. So who is this Bain guy who is working all the 100,000 jobs? Bain only has a little under 1,000 employees (maybe you should try that google thing again). The 100,000 jobs they have created is by investing in companies that grow and create more jobs using Bain's money!
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Once again..I notice you are continually dodging what Obama has created without using other people's (tax shakedowns) money?Â
 @whoareyou I left that part out because we aren't talking about Obama.. Stop carpet-bombing the discussion as you and yours are like to do when you are backed into a corner.I won't do your research for you (Note: Use the Google...)but I'll give you a few starting points: KB Toys, GST Steel, Dade-Behring, DDI Corp.
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The modus-operandi is that Bain capital saddles companies with massive debt (in one case a 102 million "fee") waits for them to go bankrupt, then sells off the scraps.Â
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Yes, Bain does help create jobs, I won't deny that, (Bain created about 100,000 jobs, FOR Bain...)
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However, when Bain sensed there were some easy pickings... they moved in for the kill.Â
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I suspect though that you won't find what you are looking for because it won't fit into your fantasy-land notions of Mitty and Bain.
 @Poisonous Giraffe Name them! I will call you bluff. Name all the compaines that they "tore down", saddled with debt and shipped overseas. Does Bain have companies that have business overseas? Of course, Burger King, Dunkin Donuts, Dominoes are in many countries. Do businesses fail and fold? Yes..look at Blockbuster video, Boston Market, Quiznos. The point is Bain is making profits, building busineses and investing with PRIVATE money.  What has Obama done? I notice you left that part of your answer out!
 @whoareyou "At least he has a business record of actually making money and building something, instead of only taking money and tearing down!"Tell that (with a straight face) to the hundreds of companies Bain Capital tore down, saddled with millions in debt, shipped all their jobs overseas, then sold off the assets. .....you *do* read the papers, don't you?Â
 @Poisonous Giraffe So being friends with know terrorist who killed Americans and bombed the Pentagon and killed cops would that be of Gross wrong doing? Because if that is You should not support Obama!
 @snoopy84  @wynooheeman  @Sid The investment tax? The Medicare tax increase?
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There are other taxes besides the income tax. (soon to be raised at a theater near you!)
 @snoopy84  @wynooheeman  @Sid Or the higher cigarette taxes? Or the ObamaTaxNCare taxd hikes?
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You haven't heard of the tanning tax? Let's not even DISCUSS how racially discriminatory that is.
@wynooheeman @Poisonous Giraffe @Sid Vishess The country was ran into the ground by the last GOP president and company. The only thing this president did was pull it back out of the ground, regained,not all but many of the jobs back. Brought the auto industry back on top (Romney takes credit-yea right!) 22 straight months odf adding jobs, some months better than other but all adding. Taken out several top terrorist operatives including the guy Bush and Cheney gave up on. Still has not raised taxes, FOX tell it's idiot listeners he has raised taxes several times, but hasn't. Has more oil being drilled then Bush did but again FOX has a different story. he went after BP for the oil spill and damaging US soil, meanwhile the GOP was apoligizing to PB for the Obama shake down. Gee, the GOP does look out for those big oil folks.
The GOP ran the country into the ground, they barrowed the money from China, they shipped jobs overseas, they cut taxes during 2 wars, they let wall street run amok-please don't confuse the housing bubble with wall street, many at FOX do. There is plenty of blame there for both parties.
 @wynooheeman  @Sid Vishess My point may have been stated incorrectly.. I should have said something more like, "If a candidate is guilty of any gross wrong-doing,  I don't want him running our country"
 @wynooheeman  @Poisonous Giraffe  @Sid Vishess And he still holds onto millions of shares of GM stock because unloading them would lock in MASSIVE LOSSES totaling upwards of $35 Billion
 @Poisonous Giraffe At least he has a business record of actually making money and building something, instead of only taking money and tearing down! The guy built a mutli-billion dollar company from the ground up. What did Obama do? Organize a few communities, whatever that is! On one side a guy who built a respected multi-billion, multi-national company that has been a ground floor investor or is an majority owner in the following companies that employ 100s of 1000s of people...Toys R Us, Dunkin Donuts, Guitar Center, Dominoes Pizza, Burger King, Clear Channel, AMC. He was the president of the Salt Lake Olympics, Govenor of Mass. What did Obama build prior to being handed his Senate seat? Absolutely NOTHING!
 @Sid Vishess Ahh.... 'Common Ground'. :-)  I like it here... Something all sides have lost sight of in today's political debates.If you don't mind I'm going to just stand here for a minute and soak it in.
 @Poisonous Giraffe That's a reasonable point.  My guess is at some point he will open the books. You would think that the IRS and SEC HAVE seen his records and if there were any impropriety, you can best bet they would be acted upon or "leaked" to his media friends.
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Speaking of background checks, I assume our President would have sailed through, what with his admitted drug use (felonies?) and penchant for hanging out with folks not opposed to violence against America.  And those college transcripts of  the President's? A narcissist like Obama would have tattooed them on his forehead if they were 4.0's. I have a feeling that he was a middling student that AA'd his way into Harvard and those transcripts prove it. I could be wrong. The transcripts would shut me up. I am willing to concede on that.
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No, I don't have a Romney shrine like the President's followers do. Some things I like (speech in front of Solyndra, CLASSIC!), some things I don't (evolving positions).
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He may or may not be the Second Coming of Bush2.
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In which case, if he turned out to be, I would gladly petition for an alternative in 2016.
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Best of all, he is not a PROVEN Crony Capitalist like the President and has pledged to help overturn  ObamaTax'NCare (TM Sid). Good enough for me.
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Please point out criminal activity? With Mitt Please. I just want to know what record Obama is running on his vast ability to build jobs? His vast ability to get America back on its feet? What summer of Wreakcovery are we in now? How many backed energy companies Obama has invested billion in has turned profit one yet? Oh wait they all went bankrupt! Yeah that the guy I want to keep running America in to the ground!
@Sid Vishess Sid, your so FOX. You ever get a point. This was not about Palin and I do know her son went to war. This is about a man who's sons served the Mormon church and to Romney, thais is the same as those like Palin's son and all those who deid serving thier country. I just don't see as equal service to country, do you?
About Bain, just making a point about how the GOP started the Bain thing and his readiness to attack Iran.
Wake up Sid.
 @snoopy84  @Sid ..true but that has nothing to do with politics.
@Sid Vishess @>T H I S< Dennis Miller THINKS he is on the money. Dennis Miller's problem is Dennis Miller. The worst thing that happened to MNF was ABC bringing in Dennis Miller, the best thing was when they fired him.
 @>T H I S< I consider myself a "Dennis Miller" Republican.  Dennis is generally right on the money.
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There is an old Dennis MIller joke about that..
When people ask that question, "under what possible conditions would you ever consider using nuclear weapons?"
You have to play crazy, "I don't know, if we can't find an of the other ones."
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That is not nice of you.... using the republicans words against them.
 @snoopy84  @Sid It would be better if he said he WAS going to go to war unless they give up their nuke research. It's called a bargaining chip. If you say, "The US would never go to war with Iran," you just handed your enemy  a victory without a fight. They will never negotiate without a threat of force. Come on man, read your history.
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"Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum."
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If you want peace, prepare for war.