Judge strikes down Wis. law limiting union rights
MADISON, Wis. (AP) - A Wisconsin judge on Friday struck down the state law championed by Gov. Scott Walker that effectively ended collective bargaining rights for most public workers.
It was not clear if the ruling means the law is immediately suspended. The law took away nearly all collective bargaining rights from most workers and has been in effect for more than a year.
Dane County Circuit Judge Juan Colas ruled that the law violates both the state and U.S. Constitution and is null and void. The ruling comes after a lawsuit brought by the Madison teachers union and a union for Milwaukee city employees.
Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie said he was confident the decision will be overturned on appeal.
"We believe the law is constitutional," said Department of Justice spokeswoman Dana Brueck.
Lester Pines, an attorney for Madison Teachers Inc., did not immediately return a message seeking comment.
The proposal was introduced shortly after Walker took office in February last year. It resulted in a firestorm of opposition and led to huge protests at the state Capitol that lasted for weeks. All 14 Democratic state senators fled the state to Illinois for three weeks in an ultimately failed attempt to stop the law's passage from the Republican-controlled Legislature.
Anger over the law's passage led to an effort to recall Walker from office. More than 930,000 signatures were collected triggering the June recall election. Walker won and became the first governor in U.S. history to survive a recall.
It was not clear if the ruling means the law is immediately suspended. The law took away nearly all collective bargaining rights from most workers and has been in effect for more than a year.
Dane County Circuit Judge Juan Colas ruled that the law violates both the state and U.S. Constitution and is null and void. The ruling comes after a lawsuit brought by the Madison teachers union and a union for Milwaukee city employees.
Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie said he was confident the decision will be overturned on appeal.
"We believe the law is constitutional," said Department of Justice spokeswoman Dana Brueck.
Lester Pines, an attorney for Madison Teachers Inc., did not immediately return a message seeking comment.
The proposal was introduced shortly after Walker took office in February last year. It resulted in a firestorm of opposition and led to huge protests at the state Capitol that lasted for weeks. All 14 Democratic state senators fled the state to Illinois for three weeks in an ultimately failed attempt to stop the law's passage from the Republican-controlled Legislature.
Anger over the law's passage led to an effort to recall Walker from office. More than 930,000 signatures were collected triggering the June recall election. Walker won and became the first governor in U.S. history to survive a recall.
The headline should read.."Whining loser unions find liberal Hispanic judge willing to rule against future supreme court decision"
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 @ByeByeBarry Yes, you're correct. You are profoundly and immeasurably pathetic, BBB.
 @ByeByeBarry " Hispanic judge"
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But you are specifically not a racists, right?
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 @T H I S  @ByeByeBarry I think that he hates everyone equally. Probably can't stand to see his own reflection in the mirror...a tormented soul that sees a dark more than night.
They need something to reign in these unions. It costs the city more for their labor to repair something than calling in the private sector to do the same exact job. It is now to the point that cities are going bankrupt trying to pay for the everyday services and maintenance that it takes to keep one from falling apart yet their income has dropped dramatically with the loss of business and job taxes that they use to fund these repairs. Unions care nothing about a business staying in business. They would rather drive them out of business than take a cut in pay or benefits. Public workers should be paid no more than any private sector workers in the same field, but the unions keep striking and demanding more and more. Me thinks the end is near folks. Â
So under what Constitutional authority is it "unConstitutional?  It's not, so move it on up to get it overturned. What a maroon.
 @Sid Vishess Why are the people who talk the most about freedom so opposed to freedom?
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The law is unconstitutional because it violates Americans' freedom of association.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association
 @Sutekh No, it doesn't .  You are free to associate and join a Union.
 @Sid Vishess this judge, and plenty of others who came before who have acutall studied the constitution would disagree with your little talking point there.
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But hey, keep on repeating it.  It supposedly makes things more true on the internet.
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So some dude on a blog thinks he knows more about the constitution than a judge just because he disagrees with the ruling. Â
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Isn't the internet grand.  It was supposed to make people smarter, then conservatives started posting comments.
A good start at recovery, but just a start.
If things go back to the way they were before Walker was elected, the state will eventually bleed to death financially. Then, the precious unions would start to lose members because they have been laid off.
 @James127 Or....the State could actually work to find new revenues to pay their employees a fair wage & benefit package.
What it boils down to is the question of how you regard the people who work for the State - are they citizens & employees, or are they second class citizens who are not entitled to the same rights as any other worker?
 @James127 "No, what "WhatRJDid" is NOT correct."
I wasn't talking about the link he provided - note that I did not respond to that post.
I was responding to your refusal to accept the official State pay scales for mechanic jobs, instead you quote some guys who make a claim for which your only source is that they said they make $40 an hour...you are doing just what you object to in his post, using some undefined source to back your claim.
At the start of this you stated "I know union mechanics who make nearly $40/hour working for the state" - and now it's one guy who is retired...?
Simple rule - never make a statement you can't back up. I offered the FACTS about what State employees are paid for the kind of job you said "they" work at.
I have facts to stand on, what do you have?
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And if $75K was "generous" for someone who works for a living, why does anyone need $1M just for collecting returns from an investment?
"So...WhatRJDid is correct, facts are not on your play-card..."
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No, what "WhatRJDid" is NOT correct. He got his numbers from a biased source (boldprogressives.org). I got my numbers straight from the Chicago Public Schools website. I choose to believe the numbers at CPS. Why not you?
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The DOT worker in question was NOT an auto repair guy. He worked on the big rig trucks and similar sized contruction equipment. I'm sorry I did not ask to see his paycheck stub, I just took his word for it. He has since retired.
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With regards to teachers, 75K/year plus bennies for working 9 months a year is generous in anyone's book.
 @James127 "I went straight to the source"
Maybe you should avoid making a statement like that in the same thread where you consciously ignore the State sources on pay scales...
 @James127 "These guys work on the big trucks and construction equipment"
Ask them what pay range and step they are at, plus the actual title of their job classification. Also, is that OT they are talking about?
Then we can look it up on the WSHR web site.
In order to make $40/hr they would need to be at range 70 - and according to http://hr.wa.gov/CompClass/JobClassesSalaries/Pages/search.aspx, there are only 3 range 70 jobs with the State.
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 @James127 "Try the DOT repair shop"
So they are auto mechanics...range 42 pay, $22.94/hr. nowhere near your $40 figure.
You are just blowing smoke.
 @James127 "State workers typically have VERY generous benefit and retirement packages as well, when compared to the private sector."
So...WhatRJDid is correct, facts are not on your play-card...
State workers get paid what the wage schedule says they get paid.
As to those "generous benefit and retirement packages", stop deluding yourself. I am a retired WSDOT employee, and let me tell you that myth is BS.
They get health care because they PAY for it. Yes, there is some State money, but not that much. And that retirement is paid for out of 6% of the employees wage - IN ADDITION TO PAYING FOR SOCIAL SECURITY AS WELL!
And except for the few PERS 1 plan workers still working, have to wait until they reach retirement age to collect it. And don't bring up the State's "contribution"...they have NEVER been current on that required (by law) payment. Which is why the plans are falling behind for the retirement payments. And, to add insult to insult, they stopped the contractual COLA payments...which is what we retired employees are depending on to stay afloat.
Try looking at the actual FACTS of the issue, forget what your right wing bogus news blogs say.
So no, I do not "agree to disagree. I expect those who post on these issues to actually do some research and find out if they are being misled BEFORE looking like idiots when they post. If you can't bother to at least make that effort, why should I take anything you say with any measure of substance?
Maybe YOU should do your homework. Instead of looking at a biased website like you did, I went straight to the source, Chicago Public Schools. Click on this and then scroll down just a tad and tell me I am full of it: http://www.cps.edu/about_cps/at-a-glance/pages/stats_and_facts.aspx
Try the DOT repair shop. These guys work on the big trucks and construction equipment, similar to what you'd find at a Cat dealer.
As I said earlier, we will have to agree to disagree here. Without telling you where I work, I can only say that the state workers I am around make plenty. Just drive past any elementary school and look at the average car in the parking lot, and then try and tell me that teachers are underpaid. Same thing with the side parking lot of your neighborhood DSHS office.
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Also, don't just look at wages when discussing this issue. State workers typically have VERY generous benefit and retirement packages as well, when compared to the private sector.
 @WhatRJDid  @James127 "Oh noes, not facts!"
I admit it, it's one of my addictions. The other one is Snickers...
 @James127 James, do your homework before you buy into the lies. Teachers in Chicago typically make between 44 and 56K per year. And before you poo poo the site, click through to the sources. http://boldprogressives.org/fact-check-chicago-area-teachers-earn-an-average-wage-of-56720/
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"Look at these Chicago teachers on strike right now. 75K per year for 9 months work, plus very plush bennies -Â that's hardly starvation wages"
That's a matter of perspective - how many years did they go to school to qualify for their teaching certificate? How often do they spend that 3 months "off" taking refresher classes - and specialized classes to stay current on methods and content? Who's paying for those classes?
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Besides, I could easily use the same argument about how plush it is for all those millionaires who have only their Capital Gains (taxed just like Willard at 15%) to survive on...and you would tell me that "THEY EARNED THAT MONEY!"...wouldn't you?
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And, if that $75K sounds so good to you, when do you start your education to get your teacher's certificate?
 @James127 "I know union mechanics who make nearly $40/hour working for the state, while those in the private sector make around half that, with nowhere near the bennies."
Really?
What kind of "mechanics" are they? Auto, aircraft or marine? Does that include OT - and how many years have they worked for the State...what Step are they at in their pay grade?
I checked the WSHR schedules of salaries for auto mechanics and found [618M AUTOMOTIVE MECHANIC Range 42G] http://hr.wa.gov/CompClass/JobClassesSalaries/Pages/ClassifiedJobListing.aspx
At http://hr.wa.gov/SiteCollectionDocuments/CompensationAndJobClasses/Salary%20Schedules/July%202011%20Salary%20Schedules/2011%20Final%20Salary%20Schedules/1GS3PercentReducedNonRep2011.pdf, I see that the top step for grade 47L is: $22.94 Hourly, $47,892 Annual. For an auto mechanic...
Keep in mind, that's for someone who has been there long enough to reach the top step - somewhere around 15 years.
So...if your friends really are making $40 an hour, they are doing more than working on the average Ford...or they are lying to you.
 @James127 "Some poor family has to cut elsewhere in order to afford to drive to work."
And your choice is that it be the State worker, already underpaid, already forced to take cuts in pay by required furlongs, and under an ever increasing workload as others are laid off?
Ask yourself a question - would you do that job with under-par wages, and people always yelling that you have "got it so good"?
Why should a State worker be expected to work so hard when the people who pay their wages disrespect them so much?
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 @James127 "Good catch on the screen name Orcas. I admire you for that."
It was either that, or you were 127th in line at the James window...<g>
Good catch on the screen name Orcas. I admire you for that.
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We could go round and round on this discussion, unfortunately. Finding new revenue as you suggest is going to hurt SOMEONE in the middle class, regardless of where it comes from. Want to tax the "rich" business owners even more? Someone loses a job and/or prices go up. Want to increase revenues by raising the gas tax or license tab fees? Some poor family has to cut elsewhere in order to afford to drive to work.
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If we go back to the story in question here, most people would agree that many union workers are generously paid for what they do. Look at these Chicago teachers on strike right now. 75K per year for 9 months work, plus very plush bennies - that's hardly starvation wages, and that's way more that private school teachers make. I know union mechanics who make nearly $40/hour working for the state, while those in the private sector make around half that, with nowhere near the bennies. You won't convince me that government workers in this state, or any other state are underpaid, sorry. I guess it's all a matter of perspective.
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Wisconsin was financially bleeding to death, just like California is now. Since states can't print their own money like Barry can, at some point, something has got to give. California found out that continually increasing taxes literally drove businesses out of the state, and now, tax revenues are not enough to sustain all of the plush state workers paychecks and future bennies packages.
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I am not a callous person, by any means. If at all possible, I would like to adopt, and in fact I am still trying (James 1:27). I am also supporting a single mom (let's call her a "widow") who struggles to get by financially. Increasing her taxes and fees won't make her life any easier, that's for sure. I honestly don't know where you're going to find "new revenue" without hurting people like her. The "rich" are only going to be taxed so much before they either flee the state and/or country or give up and stick their hands out like so many others do.
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 @James127 ""find new revenues", code words for increased taxes on businesses and working stiffs like me."
For knee jerk reactionaries, perhaps.
For me, it means simply find new revenues and pay the people who do the work a fair wage and benefit package.
What your response tells me is that you have no problem cheating "other" working stiffs of their rightful earnings...you just don't want to get your hands dirty actually taking their wallets like a pickpocket.
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"People who work for the state often make way more in salary and benefits that their private sector counterparts"
Despite what some right wingers may claim, State and local government workers are significantly underpaid. In WA, there is a law that requires the State to pay NO LESS than 80% of what the same job pay in the private sector. This law was enacted after DECADES of efforts by State Employee Unions to address the even greater discrepancies in pay that many State Employees were seeing at the time.
Understand this - the law MANDATED that the State be NO MORE than 20% BEHIND the rest of the world. Your demonstrated ignorance on this coupled with your callous attitude towards what people who work for you seems to be in direct disobedience of the words you seem to say with your screen name, James 1:27...
"Pure religion and undefiled before our God and Father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world."
"find new revenues", code words for increased taxes on businesses and working stiffs like me. Sorry, I pay enough in taxes. If you feel that you don't, write a check to the IRS. They'll gladly take it.
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People who work for the state often make way more in salary and benefits that their private sector counterparts. They are NOT second class.