Shootout, fire bring end to huge manhunt for rogue ex-cop
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LOS ANGELES (AP) - There was no question. The man standing before Rick Heltebrake on a rural mountain road was Christopher Dorner.
Clad in camouflage from head to toe and wearing a bulletproof vest packed with ammunition, the most wanted man in America over the last week was just a few feet away, having emerged from a grove of trees holding a large, assault-style rifle.
As teams of officers who had sought the fugitive ex-Los Angeles police officer since last week were closing in, Dorner pointed the gun at Heltebrake and ordered him to get out of his truck.
"I don't want to hurt you. Start walking and take your dog," Heltebrake recalled Dorner saying during the carjacking Tuesday.
The man, who wasn't lugging any gear, got into the truck and drove away. Heltebrake, with his 3-year-old Dalmatian Suni in tow, called police when he heard a volley of gunfire erupt soon after, and then hid behind a tree.
A short time later, police caught up with the man they believe was Dorner, surrounding a cabin in which he had taken refuge after crashing Heltebrake's truck 80 miles east of Los Angeles. A gunfight ensued in which one sheriff's deputy was killed and another wounded.
Then, as the gunfire ended, the cabin erupted in flames.
A charred body was found in the basement, along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner, an official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing probe.
The coroner's office is studying the remains to positively determine the identity. It was not clear how the cabin caught fire.
Recalling his encounter, Heltebrake said Wednesday that he wasn't panicked in his meeting with Dorner because he didn't feel the fugitive wanted to hurt him. "He wasn't wild-eyed, just almost professional," he said. "He was on a mission."
"It was clear I wasn't part of his agenda and there were other people down the road that were part of his agenda," he said.
Dorner, 33, had said in a rant that authorities believe he posted on Facebook last week that he expected to die, with the police chasing him, as he embarked on a campaign of revenge against the Los Angeles Police Department for firing him.
The apparent end came in the same mountain range where Dorner's trail went cold six days earlier, after his pickup truck - with guns and camping gear inside - was found abandoned and on fire near the ski resort town of Big Bear Lake.
His footprints led away from the truck and vanished on frozen soil.
Deputies searched door-to-door in the city of Big Bear Lake and then, in a blinding snowstorm, SWAT teams with bloodhounds and high-tech equipment in tow focused on scouring hundreds of vacant cabins in the forest outside of town.
Authorities for the most part looked at cabins boarded up for the winter, said Dan Sforza, assistant chief of the California Department of Fish and Wildlife, and often didn't enter occupied homes where nothing appeared amiss.
That could have been how Dorner went overlooked in a cabin just across the street from a police command post set up to capture him. It wasn't immediately known how he got into the cabin or how long he'd been there.
He as there Tuesday, however, when two women arrived to clean it, said Lt. Patrick Foy of the state fish and wildlife department.
With three killings behind him and law enforcement still on the hunt, Dorner didn't shoot them. Instead, he tied up the women and took their purple Nissan as he fled. Sparing the housekeepers ultimately would start the chain of events that would lead to his undoing.
One of the women broke free and called 911, Foy said, and the chase was on.
Two game wardens quickly spotted the car on a meandering road along a scenic lake, and deputies planned to throw down spike strips to puncture the vehicle's tires, authorities said.
The driver of the vehicle seems to anticipate the move, pulling close behind the school buses to give officers no space to drop the strips, Foy said. Dorner had warned - even boasted - in the rant that he knew their tactics and techniques as well as the officers pursuing him.
The purple Nissan then disappeared.
Heltebrake, a ranger who takes care of a Boy Scout camp nearby, said he just had lunch and was checking the perimeter of the camp for anything out of the ordinary when he saw someone emerge from the trees, and instantly recognized Dorner as the man on the news.
Officers trying to find the fugitive quickly realized he must have turned onto a side road, but for a few minutes nobody involved in the chase knew he had changed vehicles.
That was when officers saw Heltebrake's truck, and Dorner appeared to be behind the wheel. And then the shooting started.
At one point, an officer emptied a high-powered semiautomatic rifle into the truck, but Foy said he doubts the driver was hit. "If he had been struck it would have caused so much damage immediately that he (the warden) probably would have known," he said.
Out of options after crashing the pickup, the driver made a break for a cabin and barricaded himself inside.
With the standoff under way, officers lobbed tear gas canisters into the cabin. A single shot was heard inside before the cabin was engulfed in flames, said a law enforcement official who requested anonymity because the investigation was ongoing.
It wasn't known what kind of gas the officers used, but one common variety, CS gas, is carried by many officers for crowd control and is more prone to causing a fire if launched into a building, said Gregory D. Lee, a retired federal drug enforcement agent.
If the body found there proves to be Dorner's, the death toll from the rampage would be four, including a Riverside police officer.
Police said Dorner began his run on Feb. 6 after they connected the Feb. 3 slayings of a former police captain's daughter and her fiance with his angry manifesto.
Dorner blamed former LAPD Capt. Randal Quan for providing poor representation before a police disciplinary board that fired him for filing a false report. Dorner, who is black, claimed he was the subject of racism by the department and was targeted for reporting misconduct.
Chief Charlie Beck, who initially dismissed his allegations, said he would reopen the investigation into his firing - not to appease the ex-officer, but to restore confidence in the black community, which had a tense relationship with police that has improved in recent years.
LAPD Lt. Andrew Neiman said his agency had returned to normal patrol operations Wednesday but about a dozen targets Dorner threatened to go after would continue to be protected until the remains are positively identified.
"This really is not a celebration," he said.
Clad in camouflage from head to toe and wearing a bulletproof vest packed with ammunition, the most wanted man in America over the last week was just a few feet away, having emerged from a grove of trees holding a large, assault-style rifle.
As teams of officers who had sought the fugitive ex-Los Angeles police officer since last week were closing in, Dorner pointed the gun at Heltebrake and ordered him to get out of his truck.
"I don't want to hurt you. Start walking and take your dog," Heltebrake recalled Dorner saying during the carjacking Tuesday.
The man, who wasn't lugging any gear, got into the truck and drove away. Heltebrake, with his 3-year-old Dalmatian Suni in tow, called police when he heard a volley of gunfire erupt soon after, and then hid behind a tree.
A short time later, police caught up with the man they believe was Dorner, surrounding a cabin in which he had taken refuge after crashing Heltebrake's truck 80 miles east of Los Angeles. A gunfight ensued in which one sheriff's deputy was killed and another wounded.
Then, as the gunfire ended, the cabin erupted in flames.
A charred body was found in the basement, along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner, an official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing probe.
The coroner's office is studying the remains to positively determine the identity. It was not clear how the cabin caught fire.
Recalling his encounter, Heltebrake said Wednesday that he wasn't panicked in his meeting with Dorner because he didn't feel the fugitive wanted to hurt him. "He wasn't wild-eyed, just almost professional," he said. "He was on a mission."
"It was clear I wasn't part of his agenda and there were other people down the road that were part of his agenda," he said.
Dorner, 33, had said in a rant that authorities believe he posted on Facebook last week that he expected to die, with the police chasing him, as he embarked on a campaign of revenge against the Los Angeles Police Department for firing him.
The apparent end came in the same mountain range where Dorner's trail went cold six days earlier, after his pickup truck - with guns and camping gear inside - was found abandoned and on fire near the ski resort town of Big Bear Lake.
His footprints led away from the truck and vanished on frozen soil.
Deputies searched door-to-door in the city of Big Bear Lake and then, in a blinding snowstorm, SWAT teams with bloodhounds and high-tech equipment in tow focused on scouring hundreds of vacant cabins in the forest outside of town.
Authorities for the most part looked at cabins boarded up for the winter, said Dan Sforza, assistant chief of the California Department of Fish and Wildlife, and often didn't enter occupied homes where nothing appeared amiss.
That could have been how Dorner went overlooked in a cabin just across the street from a police command post set up to capture him. It wasn't immediately known how he got into the cabin or how long he'd been there.
He as there Tuesday, however, when two women arrived to clean it, said Lt. Patrick Foy of the state fish and wildlife department.
With three killings behind him and law enforcement still on the hunt, Dorner didn't shoot them. Instead, he tied up the women and took their purple Nissan as he fled. Sparing the housekeepers ultimately would start the chain of events that would lead to his undoing.
One of the women broke free and called 911, Foy said, and the chase was on.
Two game wardens quickly spotted the car on a meandering road along a scenic lake, and deputies planned to throw down spike strips to puncture the vehicle's tires, authorities said.
The driver of the vehicle seems to anticipate the move, pulling close behind the school buses to give officers no space to drop the strips, Foy said. Dorner had warned - even boasted - in the rant that he knew their tactics and techniques as well as the officers pursuing him.
The purple Nissan then disappeared.
Heltebrake, a ranger who takes care of a Boy Scout camp nearby, said he just had lunch and was checking the perimeter of the camp for anything out of the ordinary when he saw someone emerge from the trees, and instantly recognized Dorner as the man on the news.
Officers trying to find the fugitive quickly realized he must have turned onto a side road, but for a few minutes nobody involved in the chase knew he had changed vehicles.
That was when officers saw Heltebrake's truck, and Dorner appeared to be behind the wheel. And then the shooting started.
At one point, an officer emptied a high-powered semiautomatic rifle into the truck, but Foy said he doubts the driver was hit. "If he had been struck it would have caused so much damage immediately that he (the warden) probably would have known," he said.
Out of options after crashing the pickup, the driver made a break for a cabin and barricaded himself inside.
With the standoff under way, officers lobbed tear gas canisters into the cabin. A single shot was heard inside before the cabin was engulfed in flames, said a law enforcement official who requested anonymity because the investigation was ongoing.
It wasn't known what kind of gas the officers used, but one common variety, CS gas, is carried by many officers for crowd control and is more prone to causing a fire if launched into a building, said Gregory D. Lee, a retired federal drug enforcement agent.
If the body found there proves to be Dorner's, the death toll from the rampage would be four, including a Riverside police officer.
Police said Dorner began his run on Feb. 6 after they connected the Feb. 3 slayings of a former police captain's daughter and her fiance with his angry manifesto.
Dorner blamed former LAPD Capt. Randal Quan for providing poor representation before a police disciplinary board that fired him for filing a false report. Dorner, who is black, claimed he was the subject of racism by the department and was targeted for reporting misconduct.
Chief Charlie Beck, who initially dismissed his allegations, said he would reopen the investigation into his firing - not to appease the ex-officer, but to restore confidence in the black community, which had a tense relationship with police that has improved in recent years.
LAPD Lt. Andrew Neiman said his agency had returned to normal patrol operations Wednesday but about a dozen targets Dorner threatened to go after would continue to be protected until the remains are positively identified.
"This really is not a celebration," he said.
I hope we find out what really happened.
@Vince what really happened Vince? You mean LAPD firing an unstable officer? You mean the unstable ex-officer eventually proving just how unstable he truly was? You mean the unstable ex-officer murdering people (including people who had absolutely nothing to do with his supposed grievances? You mean the unstable ex-officer hosting his pre-proclaimed-kill every cop he could-last stand in a cabin, shooting two additional cops before this murderer was finally stopped. Is that the "really happened" you mean? Because, that Vince, is what "really happened".
@TruthinAdverts something doesn't add up here
@Vince You won't find the answers from MSM. What I find really interesting is how many places his wallet was found. Not to mention that it somehow survived a raging inferno set by the LAPD..
http://www.infowars.com/how-many-wallets-with-id-cards-in-them-did-dorner-own/
I cannot understand the way of thinking of the people on here saying that they didn't like him and he was a murderer and so he deserved to be burned possibly alive by the police. He had no trial...We have a process for this...murdering the ALLEGED murderer is not the process...What if you were accused of a heinous crime and we started taking short cuts then? I bet your tune would change in a hurry...the lack of empathy is appalling! He was most likely a complete loon and a murderer...and I am in no way defending him...but wake up people! If one person loses their rights who's to say you won't be next?Â
@Cheetoh734Â Dorner really had no choice at this point. He was an officer, he knew they would never take him alive. It was always going to end like this eventually. And of course any investigation of his claims of corruption will now disappear. So LAPD can go back to what they do best, violate peoples civil rights.
@Cheetoh734Â While I would have preferred that he faced trial, I can say that I am not sorry that it ended the way that it did. All of you screaming about how his rights were violated because they didn't take him alive (and actually, I think most of us could reason that Dorner had no intent on being taken alive) seem to care nothing about the fact that this all started when Dorner EXECUTED two completely innocent people just because they happened to be family members of someone he felt had wronged him. What about their rights? You even have people in this thread calling Dorner the good guy in all this. Disgusting.
@Surveyor1Â @Cheetoh734Â Was this proven in Court? Do we know FOR A FACT it was HIM that did it? Please don't cite news as evidence, as all pretense of accuracy has gone out the window with Media.Â
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The officers did not confirm that it was Dorner in the house. They did not confirm that he was alone or with a hostage. They barricaded the rear exit, set the house on fire, and repeatedly said over the radio that "if he exits the front, shoot to kill."
All without knowing precisely who was inside. You should be furious.
Oh yea, and all of that happened after 20 police officers emptied magazine after magazine in full auto at the house. Anyone could have been in there. They didn't know, they didn't check, they just started blasting.
http://ktla.com/2013/02/13/incendiary-tear-gas-reportedly-used-on-dorner-cabin/#axzz2KosxIiqa
@pensguy76Â Did you expect they'd toss teddy bears at him?
@TruthinAdverts @pensguy76 Â
 I expected that he would be killed, even if he was sitting on the porch, naked, with a white flag draped over his body. Some cop would have found a reason.
I did not expect them to trap someone (since ID still not confirmed yet and was never confirmed before or during the siege) in a house and burn them to death.
@burton @TruthinAdverts @pensguy76 In 2002 a King County Police officer was killed in the line of duty... the shooter retreated to his apartment, and police quickly surrounded the building, evacuating residents and placing sharp-shooters at vantage points.... All the while the dead officer lay out in the street where the shooter had shot him point blank in the head multiple times. Suddenly the shooter emerged onto his deck wildly waving something in his hands.... the snipers took the time to confirm that the item indeed wasn't a weapon... and guess what? They didn't fire. The cop killer was taken into custody. Your assumptions are so steeped in a lack of objectivity as to be completely irrational. You're poisoned, and it's no one's fault but your own.
Hmm... I wonder why they didn't want this guy on the police force?
@Shimes He was a threat to the corruption cartel.
And in the end they set him on fire. There's your due process and screw the constitution. Thank god there were no hostages with him. Now the conspiracy theorists will have plenty to chew on for years to come.
@fumblefacedolt well... let's see... tear gas and potentially fire the house and take his cover away, or allow him to keep shooting... Explain to me precisely why they shouldn't have again? Unless you're implying it was Dorner's constitutional right to shoot at cops...
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@the unvarnished truth @TruthinAdverts and give me a break with the nutty Orwell stuff
@the unvarnished truth @TruthinAdverts there was no reason to believe he had hostages... he evaded on foot, by himself (they saw him... they knew this) to a cabin with no vehicles parked at it... no evidence that it was currently occupied. You are so anti-cop you've completely lost all objectivity. You use the constitution... you don't honor it.Â
I figured he would do that himself, burn the place down and shoot himself.When they told the news to back off and not fly I was fairly sure the cops wanted to be the only ones to write the ending.This is the same as it used to be.Kill a cop and you could not expect to go to trial.I donât say it is right, but it did save the taxpayers a very big chunk of money.The DA is likely really ticked off, but sorry to spoil his fun.That is just becoming too expensive.Sort of expecting treatment under obummercare.
Â@oldster70Â part of the reason they limited helicopters over the site was to prevent the possibility of Dorner taking pot shots at them... Can you imagine the comments on this and other boards if a lucky shot hit a pilot and brought down a helicopter? Besides... there was airborne footage the entire time, albeit from a distance. Chances are the police helicopter flying the scene was filming the entire time as well. That'll eventually come out.
I am not defending this guy, and whatever happened to him doesn't justify killing anyone, but I do wonder if anyone in the mainstream media will stand up and report the truth about what happened, essentially that the police burned him out. Some of the police chatter on the scanner is very disturbing to me.Â
@lakeview Finally something we agree on! What he did is inexcusable...but we are a nation of laws...first and foremost.
shame on the mayor of l.a. for reneging on the reward he offered. way to screw over the maid who broke free and called 911. this ought to give the no-snitch crowd a good reason to not snitch!
@dorimonsonfan Where does it say that?
heard it on kiro radio
I really am embarrassed to see 'Urqdork' in  interviews, stating what is going to be done, or what would be done, or what he would've done.  He hasn't been "tactical" or on the street in years. Many are quick to judge what one would do - but until you are in that particular circumstance, don't voice your baffoonary.Â
Good work SoCal law enforcement when in doubt burn them out...
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@the unvarnished truth where was your rule of law when Dorner decided that since he felt he got a raw deal, he would execute family members of those he was mad at? He didn't execute those people that he felt had wronged him, he executed their innocent family members. The problem with your rule of law, is that criminals don't follow it.
Glad this is over... good work LAPD | now if only other criminals in particular 'no shadow of doubt' murders would be taken care of like this... can you imagine the Press if this guy would infact had been taken in alive... not that by the way this all went down it was pretty clear this person was painted into a corner and like any cornered animal they are very dangerous... and obviously he had nothing else to lose...
Yes, this totally worked to "reclaim your good name".
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 @Vince Yep, it was always going to end this way. Some times bad things happen to good people.
@Blindman So you are saying that Doner was the good guy in all this? The guy who executed the innocent family members of someone he flet had wronged him. He's the good guy???
So we have recordings of the police scanner that involve phrases like "burners in place" abd "we have a fire" as well as gems like "burn that m'er f'er alive!" We have police that never confirmed that it was actually Dorner inside the cabin, or that there was only one person inside the cabin. And we have an intact plastic ID card on the corpse that was burned beyond recognition. Cute.
@burton and we have a nation that won't demand accountability on it and will just forget all about it and move on to the next shiny object and that to me is as deplorable as the actions of the LAPD and media in this whole thing
Oh I realize you think you have it figured out. I realize... in your rapidly flowing moments you convince yourself that it's all a grand conspiracy of corruption. LAPD is in on it... Exxon Oil is in on it... San Bernardino County Sheriff's office is in on it... The media is on it... The political parties are in on it... The unions are in on it. That somehow you and your fellow "internet illuminati" have figured the entire grand scheme out... if only the slumbering sheeple would hear your desperate pleas. For a moment you doubt yourself... subtle... short lived, where you recognize you aren't quite right in the head... but you quiet that rational voice with a thousand irrational ones, supported by ridiculous websites and videos that work their myths out of context and out of focus. And ironically it is you who becomes everything you accuse your neighbor of being, but worse... far worse. Your delusion reinforced... you once again convince yourself... the rest of the world is blind to what only you can see. I'm not particularly any fan of the police.... but they stopped a murderer yesterday... and some of you are simply too foolish in your own self-serving delusions to understand that.Â
Now if the police treated every killer like this cop killer, we'd have virtually no crime.
I think it is STUPID. No sympathy for the police. Sorry
 @Jack60 Treat every one like this one? You mean only shooting up two or three innocent victims, because the cops were scared? Or do you mean ignoring all the other stuff, and going full police-state paranoid over ONE shooter?
 @RN1  @Jack60 Another ultra conservative attacking the police? Here I though conservatives were supportive of the police. Not so, I see. Not so
 @TruthinAdverts  @Jack60 Not sure what you mean. I'm not an ultra-conservative. I just find it interesting that the cops response was so over-the-top and out of control, because for once THEY were they targets. I generally DO support the cops, or at least find them a necessary evil, and I know that most of them around where I live are pretty decent folks. OTOH, I now that some departments are corrupt through-and-through, and are totally about power, covering each others backs, and control. (I'll also say that even the worst police forces in this country are not NEARLY as bad as those in a lot of the world, such as Mexico, anywhere in the Middle East, etc)
And the One million dollars goes to the cleaning lady !! Nice going
@donnyb have they said they are giving her the reward? Because the press release announcing the reward said for capture AND conviction so I can see them trying to get out of that because there was no conviction.Â
How is it that the news is not reporting the police intentionally burned this cabin down even going so far as to announce it on the scanner? How is it immediately after, the scanner feed was ordered to be cut? How is it that a wallet complete with ID was found among the charred remains, I would like a fireproof ID as well. How is it that his wallet and ID were found in a trashcan days earlier, yet they turn up beside the remains untouched by fire?
@7th Cav: Off topic here - did you actually serve in the 7th Cav Regiment? I had an uncle serving with that regiment in Korea. He was killed in what would be our last major offensive of the war. Just curious.
@70MonteCarlo Yes sir. Though I did not serve during that time, I am HONORED to call your uncle a brother in arms. Please know that he is remembered on a bronze plaque in the unit headquarters and all of us, civilian and soldier, reap the benefits of his service on a daily basis. Please give your Aunt a long squeeze for me and my friends, and let her know how much he means to the unit.
 @7th Cav It was always going to end this way. The cops were never interested in taking him alive. Just basically another Waco. Burn the cabin down around him and no evidence has to show up in court about corruption. In all conspiracies the ends are framed. Now Amerika gets to go back to sleep.
This was designed to rally public opinions and create more gun control measures.. Most likely done by the CIA, or FBI...
I'm waiting for the DNA results before saying it's him. He's a pro- he knows what they're looking for, I wouldn't be surprised if he brought a body in with him, fired a shot, set the place on fire, and snuck out the back. A week later we decide it's not him and he's long gone.
 @TskSeattle Hmm....I was thinking the same thing....