Moody's set to downgrade U.S. without budget deal
NEW YORK (AP) - The U.S. government's debt rating could be heading for the "fiscal cliff" along with the federal budget.
Moody's Investors Service on Tuesday said it would likely cut its "Aaa" rating on U.S. government debt, probably by one notch, if budget negotiations fail.
If Congress does not reach a budget deal, about $1.2 trillion in spending cuts and tax increases will automatically kick in starting Jan. 2, a scenario that's been dubbed the "fiscal cliff," because it is likely to send the economy back into recession and drive unemployment up.
A year ago, Moody's cut its outlook on U.S. debt to "negative," which acts as a warning that it might downgrade the rating, after partisan wrangling over raising the U.S. debt limit led the nation to the brink of default.
Rival agency Standard & Poor's took the drastic step of stripping the government of its "AAA" rating on its bonds around the same time. Fitch Ratings issued a warning of potential downgrade.
In its report Tuesday, Moody's said it is difficult to predict when Congress will reach a deal on the budget, and it will likely keep its current rating and "negative" outlook until the outcome of the talks is clear.
In Washington, House Speaker John Boehner said he's not confident that Congress can reach a deal and avoid a downgrade. No serious negotiations are expected until after the November elections.
Moody's also noted that the government will likely again reach the debt limit by the end of the year, which means another round of negotiations in Congress on raising the limit if the U.S. is to keep paying its bills. "Under these circumstances, the government's rating would likely be placed under review after the debt limit is reached, but several weeks before the exhaustion of the Treasury's resources," Moody's analyst Steven A. Hess said in his report.
Despite the rating cut last year from S&P and the warnings from Moody's and Fitch, the U.S. has been able to continue borrowing at very low rates. That's because investors are still buying U.S. government bonds, as economic turmoil in Europe and uncertainty in other parts of the globe have left U.S. debt and U.S. dollars looking like safe bets. In contrast, bond investors demand high rates from troubled countries like Spain and Italy.
The stock markets plunged when the downgrade happened in August 2011, but Moody's warning on Tuesday did little to ruffle traders. The major market indexes were all modestly higher in morning trading.
Moody's Investors Service on Tuesday said it would likely cut its "Aaa" rating on U.S. government debt, probably by one notch, if budget negotiations fail.
If Congress does not reach a budget deal, about $1.2 trillion in spending cuts and tax increases will automatically kick in starting Jan. 2, a scenario that's been dubbed the "fiscal cliff," because it is likely to send the economy back into recession and drive unemployment up.
A year ago, Moody's cut its outlook on U.S. debt to "negative," which acts as a warning that it might downgrade the rating, after partisan wrangling over raising the U.S. debt limit led the nation to the brink of default.
Rival agency Standard & Poor's took the drastic step of stripping the government of its "AAA" rating on its bonds around the same time. Fitch Ratings issued a warning of potential downgrade.
In its report Tuesday, Moody's said it is difficult to predict when Congress will reach a deal on the budget, and it will likely keep its current rating and "negative" outlook until the outcome of the talks is clear.
In Washington, House Speaker John Boehner said he's not confident that Congress can reach a deal and avoid a downgrade. No serious negotiations are expected until after the November elections.
Moody's also noted that the government will likely again reach the debt limit by the end of the year, which means another round of negotiations in Congress on raising the limit if the U.S. is to keep paying its bills. "Under these circumstances, the government's rating would likely be placed under review after the debt limit is reached, but several weeks before the exhaustion of the Treasury's resources," Moody's analyst Steven A. Hess said in his report.
Despite the rating cut last year from S&P and the warnings from Moody's and Fitch, the U.S. has been able to continue borrowing at very low rates. That's because investors are still buying U.S. government bonds, as economic turmoil in Europe and uncertainty in other parts of the globe have left U.S. debt and U.S. dollars looking like safe bets. In contrast, bond investors demand high rates from troubled countries like Spain and Italy.
The stock markets plunged when the downgrade happened in August 2011, but Moody's warning on Tuesday did little to ruffle traders. The major market indexes were all modestly higher in morning trading.
The U.S. government's debt rating could be heading for the "fiscal cliff" along with the federal budget. We fell off that "Fiscal Cliff" when Clinton did away with Glass Steagal and signed us up for Nafta. Its been a done deal for a long time now. Look at the US's fundamentals and you'll agree we are and have been insolvent and bankrupt for sometime now.
Everyone trying to blame 'the other side' is exactly what the powers that be want. Divide and distract and the sheeple of this country lap it up.
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The unconstitutional Federal Reserve bank can be bought back by the government for $450 million US GOVERNMENT minted coin and then abolished, but the REAL owners, own the world governments and direct wars from a nice comfy chair, the name [Rothschild] comes to mind.
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Abolish the fed and the debt and wars will go away. Seek the truth and get rid of the barristers, ALL of them, that sit in corrupt career office.
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AA rating sounds appropriate for our politicians drunk with power
And seeing Paul Ryan criticize the upcoming across the board spending cuts as Obama's fault is priceless, especially considering that he voted for it and issued a press release calling it a "victory...to control government spending and growing our economy."
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And this Sunday, Romney put his running mate in yet another awkward position when he called the bill that Ryan voted for and supported a "mistake for Republicans to go along with it."
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 @caphillkid Ya think this is why Ryan is running ads for his congressional re-election? Because he knows he will never be VP.
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Treasury notes are returning their lowest interest rates in decades. That means now more than ever, investors see our debt as the safest place for put their cash.
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Don't forget that it was Moody's and the other credit rating agencies that bestowed triple A ratings on all that mortgage backed security crap that became worthless.Â
 @caphillkid "Nobody care what Moody's does."
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Can I quote you on that when it comes time to play chicken with the debt ceiling?
This is like an annual occurance now. These crooks and liars in congress are the ones who created this mess, and we paid them to do so. Hope you all remember this when you vote this next general election. Doesnt matter who you vote for, its the same outcome no matter what.
(Fiscal cliff) Ha! Ha! Ha! Could be..... still chokin' on me coffee after that funny..... good grief. Can't continue to sweep reality under the carpet or impose new taxes on a sunk middle-class and poor population to pay the piper..... Or is our overinflated government doing just that?
Ignore all warnings, Comrades! They are just republicans trying to trick you! Vote for Obama and enjoy 4 more years of prosperity and peace! Hope and change! Spend and tax is working well! Oh wait.......no it's not. Oops. I'd bet all you people who voted for Obama 4 years ago feel mighty foolish.....or not. Well I can say one thing for certain.....I was better off 4 years ago than I am today.....and with the Great Divider in office, I don't see things improving.....
 @dg54321 Well, I was better off at the end of the Clinton years. Then I was much worse off at the end of the Bush II years. Today, I am definitely much better off than I was 4 years ago by both investment/retirement and income measures. I definitely feel safer than during the Bush years. It's been nice to have a grownup in the White House for the last couple of years. Now if we could just get a majority of grownups into Congress we might improve things faster in this country.
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Romney flip-flops on most subjects, but his choice of Ryan and some of his foreign policy statements suggest he would govern like a Bush II on Steroids. Why would any sane person want to go back to that?
@dg54321 yeah, I was better off too ten years ago when the "great uniter" came along and started invading countries for made up reasons. I mean just look at us now; fiscally broke, fighting wars we cant afford and occupying other nations, we are doing great and people around the world love us.
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Dang, its like the same rhetoric since the 1980s with you guys.... you know, when you republicans began running up the debt with massive spending while refusing to collect taxes from the people with the money.
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".....I was better off 4 years ago than I am today....."
And who's fault is that.  Are you, a republican, blaming the government and refusing to take personal responsibilty for your own short commings?  Why yes sir, I believe you are.
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"and with the Great Divider in office, I don't see things improving....."
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 @T H I S Blaming the current government for our current national state after 4 years of doing nothing to fix it? Yep, I surely am. I've heard enough of "It's all Bush's fault"; no more excuses, make the budget, fix the problem. It IS what we were promised 4 years ago when, well, not me, but others voted Obama into office......
 @T H I S Naw dood. Did not you hear? Romney is going to lower the tax rates for the rich, but remove all the "loopholes" (cough Cayman Islands cough) so that their effective rate remains the same. Â
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When asked which loopholes he is going to remove, he refuses to name a single one. See, it's a big secret plan and you are just going to have to trust Romney...
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Oh course we trusted Romney when he said he was paying state income tax in Mass when he ran for governor. And then we trusted him when he told us that he was in fact not paying Mass. state income taxes due to a mistake by someone else. But don't worry, he went back and paid those taxes retroactively to get on the ballot anyway.
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 @dg54321 So your solution is to
A) vote for a guy who's plans are just like the Guy's who got us into this
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B) vote for a GOP congress who has done everything they can to keep anything productive from happening.
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Oh, and what was your other point again? That is right, you didn't have one because you are just yelling at clouds (or empty chairs).
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@dg54321 @T H I S yeah, Obama is taking too long I agree. I mean, fixing an economy based on a $14,000,000,000,000 gross domestic product is easy and should have been done a long time ago. Even with globalization, where other countries' fiscal problems and messes are intertwined with our own, it still should have been resolved years ago.
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You're a damn fool, you know nothing about economics.