Obama faces high-stakes clashes with Republicans

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama set up high-stakes clashes with Republicans over guns, immigration, taxes and climate change in a State of the Union address that showcased his determination to mark his legacy. Republicans urged Obama to get out of campaign mode and offer more than "gimmicks and tax hikes."
At the center of looming confrontations in Washington is a fight over the very role of government, with Obama pushing a raft of new initiatives to improve preschool programs and voting, boost manufacturing and research and development, raise the minimum wage and lower energy use. "It is our unfinished task to make sure that this government works on behalf of the many and not just the few," he said.
Republicans who control the House and hold enough votes to stall legislation in the Senate were just as quick to declare that the government helps best by getting out of the way.
"An opportunity to bring together the country instead became another retread of lip service and liberalism," Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said Wednesday from the chamber floor, saying the president offered little more than "gimmicks and tax hikes."
"Last night's speech was a pedestrian liberal boilerplate that any Democratic lawmaker could have given at any time in recent history," McConnell said.
House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, the GOP's vice presidential candidate last fall, said Wednesday morning that Obama's leadership style stands in the way of bipartisan efforts to resolve problems like the ballooning deficit. "He seems to always be in campaign mode, where he treats people in the other party as enemies rather than partners," the Wisconsin Republican said in an interview on "CBS This Morning."
Ryan was asked if he supported House Speaker John Boehner's remark Tuesday that he didn't believe Obama "has the guts" to stand up to liberals in his own party on spending cuts.
"That's why the congressman makes remarks like that," Ryan said of Boehner.
The morning-after comments came as Obama was to set off on a three-state trip, starting in North Carolina, to sell to voters the programs he outlined in his address. Obama hit the road frequently in campaign-style trips in December to appeal directly to voters for the approach that he favored, including new taxes, to avoid the so-called "fiscal cliff."
Republican critics have said the president should stay home and focus his attention on dealing directly with Congress on these issues.
In the formal Republican response to Obama's address, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said, "More government isn't going to help you get ahead. It's going to hold you back. More government isn't going to create more opportunities. It's going to limit them."
"And more government isn't going to inspire new ideas, new businesses and new private sector jobs. It's going to create uncertainty," said Rubio, a rising star in the party.
Uncompromising and aggressive, Obama pressed his agenda on social issues and economic ones, declaring himself determined to intervene to right income inequality and boost the middle class. He called on Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship for 11 million illegal immigrants, far-reaching gun control measures and a climate bill to cut greenhouse gas emissions. He threatened to go around Congress with executive actions on climate change if it fails to act.
But Obama cannot count on willing partners on those issues, any one of which could tie Congress in knots for months with no guarantee of success. Gun control, which Obama made a focus of his speech, faces dim prospects on Capitol Hill. The prospect for immigration legislation is better, but no sure thing. Climate change legislation is given no chance of success.
And Obama addressed relatively briefly the looming fiscal crises confronting the nation and inevitably sucking up oxygen on Capitol Hill - the deep automatic spending cuts or "sequester" to take effect March 1, followed by the government running out of money to fund federal agencies March 27. He made clear he will continue to press for the rich to pay more in taxes, a position Republicans have rejected.
Republicans, meanwhile, made clear they're in little mood to cooperate.
"We are only weeks away from the devastating consequences of the president's sequester, and he failed to offer the cuts needed to replace it," Boehner said in a statement. "In the last election, voters chose divided government which offers a mandate only to work together to find common ground. The president, instead, appears to have chosen a go-it-alone approach to pursue his liberal agenda."
Earlier Tuesday, in a meeting with television correspondents and anchors, Boehner, R-Ohio, said immigration is about the only item on Obama's list that has a chance of passing this year. He said the president is more interested in getting a Democratic majority in both chambers next year.
Obama did reiterate his willingness to tackle entitlement changes, particularly on Medicare, though he has ruled out increasing the eligibility age for the popular benefit program for seniors.
"Those of us who care deeply about programs like Medicare must embrace the need for modest reforms - otherwise, our retirement programs will crowd out the investments we need for our children and jeopardize the promise of a secure retirement for future generations," he said.
"But we can't ask senior citizens and working families to shoulder the entire burden of deficit reduction while asking nothing more from the wealthiest and most powerful."
On immigration, a bipartisan group of negotiators in the Senate is working to craft legislation embracing Obama's call for a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants but making such a path contingent on first securing the border, a linkage Obama has not supported.
But there's no guarantee the Senate bipartisan plan will find favor with the full Senate or the House. The first test may come Wednesday morning when the Senate Judiciary Committee opens its hearings on a comprehensive immigration overhaul. Deep fault lines emerged even before the hearing began, with a leading committee Republican, Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, calling Obama's remarks on immigration "deeply troubling."
"The biggest obstacle we face to reform is this nation's failure to establish lawfulness in the system," Sessions said. "The president's immigration plan meets the desire of businesses for low-wage foreign workers while doing nothing to protect struggling American workers."
The president implored lawmakers to break through partisan logjams, asserting that "the greatest nation on earth cannot keep conducting its business by drifting from one manufactured crisis to the next."
"Americans don't expect government to solve every problem," he said. "They do expect us to forge reasonable compromise where we can."
At the center of looming confrontations in Washington is a fight over the very role of government, with Obama pushing a raft of new initiatives to improve preschool programs and voting, boost manufacturing and research and development, raise the minimum wage and lower energy use. "It is our unfinished task to make sure that this government works on behalf of the many and not just the few," he said.
Republicans who control the House and hold enough votes to stall legislation in the Senate were just as quick to declare that the government helps best by getting out of the way.
"An opportunity to bring together the country instead became another retread of lip service and liberalism," Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said Wednesday from the chamber floor, saying the president offered little more than "gimmicks and tax hikes."
"Last night's speech was a pedestrian liberal boilerplate that any Democratic lawmaker could have given at any time in recent history," McConnell said.
House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, the GOP's vice presidential candidate last fall, said Wednesday morning that Obama's leadership style stands in the way of bipartisan efforts to resolve problems like the ballooning deficit. "He seems to always be in campaign mode, where he treats people in the other party as enemies rather than partners," the Wisconsin Republican said in an interview on "CBS This Morning."
Ryan was asked if he supported House Speaker John Boehner's remark Tuesday that he didn't believe Obama "has the guts" to stand up to liberals in his own party on spending cuts.
"That's why the congressman makes remarks like that," Ryan said of Boehner.
The morning-after comments came as Obama was to set off on a three-state trip, starting in North Carolina, to sell to voters the programs he outlined in his address. Obama hit the road frequently in campaign-style trips in December to appeal directly to voters for the approach that he favored, including new taxes, to avoid the so-called "fiscal cliff."
Republican critics have said the president should stay home and focus his attention on dealing directly with Congress on these issues.
In the formal Republican response to Obama's address, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said, "More government isn't going to help you get ahead. It's going to hold you back. More government isn't going to create more opportunities. It's going to limit them."
"And more government isn't going to inspire new ideas, new businesses and new private sector jobs. It's going to create uncertainty," said Rubio, a rising star in the party.
Uncompromising and aggressive, Obama pressed his agenda on social issues and economic ones, declaring himself determined to intervene to right income inequality and boost the middle class. He called on Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship for 11 million illegal immigrants, far-reaching gun control measures and a climate bill to cut greenhouse gas emissions. He threatened to go around Congress with executive actions on climate change if it fails to act.
But Obama cannot count on willing partners on those issues, any one of which could tie Congress in knots for months with no guarantee of success. Gun control, which Obama made a focus of his speech, faces dim prospects on Capitol Hill. The prospect for immigration legislation is better, but no sure thing. Climate change legislation is given no chance of success.
And Obama addressed relatively briefly the looming fiscal crises confronting the nation and inevitably sucking up oxygen on Capitol Hill - the deep automatic spending cuts or "sequester" to take effect March 1, followed by the government running out of money to fund federal agencies March 27. He made clear he will continue to press for the rich to pay more in taxes, a position Republicans have rejected.
Republicans, meanwhile, made clear they're in little mood to cooperate.
"We are only weeks away from the devastating consequences of the president's sequester, and he failed to offer the cuts needed to replace it," Boehner said in a statement. "In the last election, voters chose divided government which offers a mandate only to work together to find common ground. The president, instead, appears to have chosen a go-it-alone approach to pursue his liberal agenda."
Earlier Tuesday, in a meeting with television correspondents and anchors, Boehner, R-Ohio, said immigration is about the only item on Obama's list that has a chance of passing this year. He said the president is more interested in getting a Democratic majority in both chambers next year.
Obama did reiterate his willingness to tackle entitlement changes, particularly on Medicare, though he has ruled out increasing the eligibility age for the popular benefit program for seniors.
"Those of us who care deeply about programs like Medicare must embrace the need for modest reforms - otherwise, our retirement programs will crowd out the investments we need for our children and jeopardize the promise of a secure retirement for future generations," he said.
"But we can't ask senior citizens and working families to shoulder the entire burden of deficit reduction while asking nothing more from the wealthiest and most powerful."
On immigration, a bipartisan group of negotiators in the Senate is working to craft legislation embracing Obama's call for a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants but making such a path contingent on first securing the border, a linkage Obama has not supported.
But there's no guarantee the Senate bipartisan plan will find favor with the full Senate or the House. The first test may come Wednesday morning when the Senate Judiciary Committee opens its hearings on a comprehensive immigration overhaul. Deep fault lines emerged even before the hearing began, with a leading committee Republican, Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, calling Obama's remarks on immigration "deeply troubling."
"The biggest obstacle we face to reform is this nation's failure to establish lawfulness in the system," Sessions said. "The president's immigration plan meets the desire of businesses for low-wage foreign workers while doing nothing to protect struggling American workers."
The president implored lawmakers to break through partisan logjams, asserting that "the greatest nation on earth cannot keep conducting its business by drifting from one manufactured crisis to the next."
"Americans don't expect government to solve every problem," he said. "They do expect us to forge reasonable compromise where we can."
stop spending money we dont have . get off the titt
Obama made it clear last night that his Oval Office doors are open to Republicans for the next four years. He said the same thing when he took office in 2009. Obstructing Obama isn't going to work. I think some Republicans leaders have figured this out finally. Â
 @lakeview I tend to disagree with you on this. Boehner still won't bring bills to the floor that have passed the Senate. They should at least be brought to the floor to be voted on by the House.
@lakeview From what I've seen supporting Obama doesn't work either.
New taxes are a bandage to the real problem which is too big a government and over-spending more than we have! ... A deficit is a negative number and we have been negligent in controlling our spiraling debt for way too long... Taxes and uppers paying more and Estate Taxes on the wealthy when they check out are a necessary evil... but the bigger evil is DC and all states failing to 'live within their means' us commoners have to do it day in and day out for our whole lives... why can't the government?
We had a family from another state that lived across the street. Out of the 8 of them, 7 were of working age, but only 2 had a job. At a neighborhood birthday party, someone asked the little girl in the family what she thought of Pres. Obama. Her answer was... "Obama rocks, he wants to give everyone wellfare, and make people with more money than they need, give it to everyone else". These were her exact words.I have a feeling that she did'nt come up with that all by herself. The family has since left for another state after exhausting all of their benefits here.
i  need to ask now you don't have to like or reply to all you people who voted for obama how does it feel to you knowing that you voted for a terrorist group known as the obama administration?
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@SargeMcC why dont you quit complaining and leach off the government and your neighbors as you claim everyone but you is doing, if you feel you are being burdened so much?
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 @northwestsurfer Because I have had a job since I was 14 years old. I am proud to say I have always worked, never been without some kind of job, even if it was just flipping burgers or cleaning horse stalls. As I now approach retirement I find there won't be much of one for me, even though I have spent my life working. And that is because of social assistance. So, I have a right to gripe. Â
More government welfare jobs, higher taxes for the rest of us, more debt, and does nothing to build our export business. Everybody loses.
 @Blindman Not the one's eligible for welfare...they'll be fine!
 @aintno1special  @Blindman Yep, which means government welfare workers will get more raises and fat retirement packages. They're the only ones that are middle class any more. I just encourage people to get any benefits they can before it all collapses and our dollar becomes worthless. The quicker the system can collapse the quicker we can try and get things straightened out. Its my generations fault. Us baby boomers got too fat and lazy and allowed things to get out of hand.
When i watched him last night my tv just said BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
If the President wants to try and convince me that the world has a carbon pollution problem, heâd do better presenting his arguments around the nation using some other means than Air Force One and all its associated planes and vehicles.  I would suggest that more convincing ways to present his views would be through using television and electronic media.
Agreed. Al Gore lost me when he decided he could live like a "fat cat" so long as he pays his carbon offsets. Citing he lives a "carbon neutral" lifestyle by buying "carbon offsets." How about just reducing the amount of carbon you use, like you demand the rest of us do!! POS liberal with his "do as I say, not as I do" mindset.
 @Bianca When they say "buy a carbon offset" what they really mean is "buy this indulgence to atone for your sins." Of course, the fact said indulgence makes a profit for either a company they own, or tax revenue for a government they seek to control, is purely coincidental. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence )
Obama sucks! He offers no solutions only lip service. He just wants more government programs and give money away to people who didn't earn it. HE is bankrupting the country.
Boy that factcheck story about Obama's speech sure disappeared from the front page fast....
 @paperboy Here is a link to one version of it:   http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-overreaching-state-union-speech-032654575--politics.htmlÂ
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I dunno how long it will be available....
 @K. Coleman Thanks for the link. It still works and I was too tired last night to watch the circus.
 @paperboy I noticed that too, and I thought there was supposed to be a rebuttal of the SOTU...I guess it was just some guy drinking some water?
 @aintno1special  @paperboy They will have a tough time "Palinizing" Rubio.
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My guess is that they'll claim since he had a plastic water bottle, he wants dirty air and water.
Should we expect anything differently? When hasn't Obama faced clashes with the Congressional Republicans? The Republican have argued against every Obama idea it is to a point where the GOP arguments have become common as the sun rising each morning.
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Obama has argued against every Republican/Conservative idea. It is to a point where Obama's "arguments" have become as common as the sun rising each morning.
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 @Getov Mylon That is not true. He has left the Wall Street leaders alone even knowing their compliance in the Great American Recession, he re-signed into law the Bush era tax breaks for the wealthiest citizens. He has not reduced military funding. He has made deals with the Congressional Republicans to help move legislation and he has done this more often than has any recent Democratic President, in fact he has made so many agreements with the Republicans it has made members of the Democratic Party angry with his decisions.
 @left-center Last I checked it took two sides of a topic to create an argument...but everyone has their side they would like to blame, why should you be any different?
Interesting how in his State of the Union Address, Obama stated that he created 6 million jobs. Â Too bad he never took into account the 5 million that were lost under him. Â And as far as our cars doubling the distance on a gallon of gas, my vehicles still get the same gas mileage they always did and it's not going to change anytime soon. Â In another 12 years when that IS supposed to happen, it won't be him to credit. Â It'll be the car builders themselves. Â His "affordable health care act" has cost my family more, not less like he claims. Â His idea that preschool programs helping kids further down the road is imagined. Â It helps at first, but then fizzles out as the other kids catch up while STILL in elementary school. Â Also, Obama couldn't get anything through congress when it was ruled by Democrats, that's why he keeps writing Presidential Mandates. Â They guy can't unite ANYONE. Â
 @Ma_Kettle You can't really blame Obama on the jobs lost during his presidency. When he first came into office, during the middle of the crash, jobs were being lost like CRAZY. Yes they were technically under his presidency, but not because of him, it was because of the economic downturn. After a year, jobs were stabilizing and are now on an upward trend. Of course I don't expect you to give Obama ANY sort of credit for our current stable economy and job growth within the last couple years.Â
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In terms of the gas mileage, it will be because of Obama Administration that each car made in the US will be required to get at least 54 mpg by 2025. This is good for the environment, as well as our pockets in the long run.Â
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In terms of ObamaCare, this is historic. Millions more Americans will be able to get the care they need, when they need it, and insurance companies will finally be held accountable for putting profits before people, along many other benefits. Please read more about the Act, it is not perfect but our health care needed some sort of change.Â
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The DOW has broken through 14000 for the first time since 2007, auto sales have reached their highest level in five years and are expected to keep growing this year, home prices are rising steadily once again, consumer confidence is on the rise, and our economy is expected to keep growing throughout 2013. Stop thinking so negatively about our President and start supporting him, think of the positives and don't let your political status get in the way.Â
 @Chris Christensen  @Ma_Kettle Yes we can blame Obama for the jobs lost during his presidency. I work for a company that sells equipment to other small/medium enterprises. We have laid people off almost every quarter for the last 4 years because the enterprises are just not buying due to fears about our economic future as a country. This is happening at all levels of enterprises because of the rising health care cost and the down economy.
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Yes the dow hit 14000 but every economist out there is saying this has nothing to do with the state of the economy. This is a false bubble. Obama talked about how Apple will make MACs again in the US. He failed to mention that this will employ very few people due to advances in automation and the real fact that China is getting more expensive to do business in. Many companies that have outsourced their manufacturing are looking to bring it back to the US because of the same rise in costs from China and the cheaper automation in America. Unfortunately this means very few new jobs for Americans.
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Your touting the 54 MPG car is also a false hope that this will be good for the environment. The raw materials to produce these 54 MPG cars are harder to mine and cause more environmental damage to make. Then you have people not driving their current car long enough to offset the carbon footprint for just making the car in the first place. It is this consumption that is killing our environment. I know consumption is important to the world economy but at some point we have to look at the damage that this consumption is doing versus just using something before buying the new model when it comes out. This is a lifestyle change that our materialistic economy will not support.
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 Obama care has only increased the costs of health care and will continue to do so. My health care has risen every year, the last couple by over 10% year to year or my benefits have gone down increasing my out of pocket expenses. When you have for profit companies running the health care system this will only continue. Their bottom line will never go down, the year to year increasing costs will always be uncontrolled and passed directly to the individual payer.
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All Obama has done is put makeup on a witch. This witch will show its ugly face once again. Obama and his party is trying very hard to make sure the witch comes out when they are no longer in charge.Â
 @Beam_Me_Up Like I said earlier, I am not going to go on discussing all I want to discuss, there is NO point whatsoever. I have a father who is a Democrat and a mother who is a Republican. I was brought up more Republican, until I realized I am more of a Democrat, very liberal. Does this mean I am only repeating and blind? No, I could go on and on and on about facts, but there is no point. Debating about politics is absurd. Like I have said before, our country is healing. Just get over that, unemployment has been slowly falling since the crash, people are going back to work and companies are hiring again. It's sad that you have to think negatively about all the positive things that are going on in this country. Since the country is headed in the wrong direction like you say, I can't wait to have another pointless conversation with you in 2016 to discuss how horrible it will be.Â
 @Chris Christensen  @Beam_Me_Up What would the economy look like with a more normal budget deficit of say 250 billion a year instead of the current 1.3 trillion a year?
 @Chris Christensen OK, since you have added no value in this discussion other then repeating what you hear I will treat you as such. You add no original thought, you think that people are either liberal or conservative based upon your links and you can not see history without your liberal blinders on. The problems with change today is that it is not based on the majority but the minority that has the attention of the liberal media. Change just to change is killing our country but as long as the liberal media is behind it they will not show the negatives of this change until we are once again facing rising unemployment, which it has risen just recently, huge inflation and our country not leading the world economy. Kind of like now. But all you do is repeat repeat repeat without even trying to see the other side. You are too attached to the changes made or promised for the minority of people in this country from the democratic party and this is blinding you from seeing the whole picture of where this country is headed.Â
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 @Beam_Me_Up Oh just get over the fact that Obama will be president for the next four years and our economy will keep recovering. The world will not end, your conservative views are in the past. It's 2013, time to move on, our e=country is changing. Republicans are so bent on hoping Obama will fail instead of supporting our President. The Republican party is dying, get over it. Hillary will most likely win in 2016, and our country will keep moving forward.Â
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 @Chris Christensen  @TheBronze So your touting a list that includes:
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And this is not a partial website how? Another person that is just a robot for the liberal party. Can't think just repeat.
 @Chris Christensen  @TheBronze The Daily Kos ? really dude?
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Please let me know when this "witch" is going to show her face again!Â
 @Chris Christensen  @Beam_Me_Up When we stop getting lied to by politicians, then we'll be satisfied.
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And surveys? Seriously? they are so worthless. Select a group you expect will answer a certain way and then tailor the questions to promote your agenda.
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And what, exactly, has been accomplished? I can't think of anything that didn't involve borrowing money from China or raising taxes.
 @Beam_Me_Up Will you ever be satisfied? While the economy is not growing as fast as we would like, it is growing, and earnings are growing by double digits each quarter. Surveys suggest people are cautiously confident and confidence will keep growing, spending will rise. MUCH has been accomplished in the last four years, stop thinking so negatively. There are many rebuttals I can think of, but considering most of the people who post on this forum are Republicans, I will save the time.
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 @Chris Christensen   "Home prices are rising steadily once again..."
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Please explain how increasingly unaffordable  home prices is good thing for the working classes? Or is the increase in prices a direct result of stupidly cheap interest rates which creates  a housing "bubble"- one of the drivers of the real estate crash that sent the economy down the tubes?
@Chris Christensen @Ma_Kettle --- "In terms of the gas mileage, it will be because of Obama Administration that each car made in the US will be required to get at least 54 mpg by 2025. This is good for the environment, as well as our pockets in the long run." Good for the environment, sure, our pockets, hardly. It has been proposed in Washington State that we do away with the gas tax and instead implement a per-mile fee, charge or tax (call it want you want). Why, you ask? Because with newer vehicles getting upwards of 50 MPG, the state is losing big in the gas tax market, therefore, they must find other, more creative ways of obtaining these funds. So, tell me, Chris, how is my driving a vehicle that gets upwards of 50 MPG going to save me money if the state demands I still pay the same (or more) in a flat, per mile fee, charge or tax? As it is, I have cut my gas in half by commuting to/from work instead of driving and combining trips, etc., or just staying home all together. If you think the state is going to be generous with a per-mile fee or tax, you will be disappointed.Â
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"A $1 billion plan to create 15 "manufacturing institutes" that would bring together businesses, universities and the government. If Congress opposes the initiative, Obama plans to use his presidential powers to create three institutes on his own." Â
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There is a word for the marriage of business and government working as one entity.
And I don't even think our trains will run on time.
 @Chris Christensen  @Ma_Kettle Chris, please tell us how the people are saving money by paying far more for their health insurance and that CBO report that says that folks who wanted to keep their insurance will be booted off it and how the estimated costs have skyrocketed. I guess you will be on the "Bronze" plan? That's $20,000 (est) annually. Pay up. You got suckered.
 @Robinsnest My thoughts on the whole thing is the "law makers" are so far removed from reality they do not know the ramifications of what occurs when they pass these laws. Now a push for a national $9.00 minimum wage?!? This will do what to the businesses, and do what to create new jobs?
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 @aintno1special My 18 year old son finally got a job last November for the holiday season at American Eagle clothing store. They liked him so much they kept him on permanently except that they don't schedule him any more than 5-15 hours a week. He says that is what ALL of the employees there are working except of course for the manager. He's been looking for a second job and having a hard time finding one. Business' are having 40 part time employees instead of 20 full time, that way they don't have to give them benefits.
 @Getov Mylon For sure! I understand the need to reform our healthcare (from an insider)...but this plan is not the way to go about it giving too much power to the insurance companies.
 @aintno1special Thanks. Sounds like you are a good employer and would hate to have to dump your employees' plans. What these people failed to consider is that insurance premiums are the same for the guy in the mail room as the executives. As a percentage of pay, guess who it costs more to provide insurance for? Combine that with a higher minimum wage and you can kiss most any entry level job, PARTICULARLY full-time, goodbye.
 @Getov Mylon A bridge I would have to evaluate and then cross when/if the time comes. Currently the average premium for an individual is about 635/month...about doubles for a family, so I am not too far off that mark right now...but adding another $500-800 x 100 / month is absurd for sure.
 @aintno1special A question: If health insurance premiums reach the IRS estimated $20,000 annually for the "Bronze" plan under O-Care, then what?
 @Getov Mylon They won't, I have already all but cut my pay in order to keep things profitable. Fortunately for me I can do this in order that my employees do not take the hit. They are all extensions of my family, and I appreciate all of them. As long as the business doesn't cost me anything I will keep it open and running. I enjoy what I do and it has been good to me, so my time to return the favor.
 @aintno1special    I do hope that layoffs at your business won't occur to get your number of employees below 50 or that you switch to part-timers or outsource some of your work. Unintended consequences. They should have read the bill before they passed it.Â
 @Getov Mylon  @Chris Christensen  @Ma_Kettle ...but they can't deny you for "preexisting conditions"!..just make it unaffordable for those conditions to be covered...and don't get me started on how hard it hits businesses. I have over 100 FT employees that are all offered healthcare as a benefit.
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