Officials say Sikh temple shooter a white supremacist
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OAK CREEK, Wis. (AP) - The gunman who killed six people at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin before being shot to death by police was identified Monday as a 40-year-old Army veteran and former leader of a white supremacist heavy metal band.
Wade Michael Page strode into the temple carrying a 9mm handgun and multiple magazines of ammunition and opened fire without saying a word, authorities said.
When the shooting at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in suburban Milwaukee ended, six victims ranging in age from 39 to 84 years old lay dead. Three others were critically wounded.
Page, who joined the Army in 1992 and was discharged in 1998, was described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a "frustrated neo-Nazi" who was active in the obscure underworld of white supremacist music.
Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the nonprofit civil rights organization in Montgomery, Ala., said Page had been on the white-power music scene for more than a decade, playing in bands known as Definite Hate and End Apathy.
"The name of the band seems to reflect what he went out and actually did," said Potok. The music often includes lyrics that discuss genocide against Jews and other minorities.
Potok said there's no research showing white supremacists hating Sikhs, suggesting Sunday's attack could have been an example of someone mistaking Sikhs for another group, such as Muslims.
In a 2010 interview, Page told a white supremacist website that he became active in white-power music in 2000, when he left his native Colorado and started the band End Apathy in 2005.
He told the website his "inspiration was based on frustration that we have the potential to accomplish so much more as individuals and a society in whole," according to the law center. He did not mention violence.
End Apathy's MySpace page said the group was based in Nashville, N.C.
Joseph Rackley of Nashville, N.C., said Monday that Page lived with his son for about six months last year in a house on Rackley's property. Wade was bald and had tattoos all over his arms, Rackley said, but he doesn't remember what they depicted. He said he wasn't aware of any ties Page had to white supremacists.
"I'm not a nosy kind of guy," Rackley said. "When he stayed with my son, I don't even know if Wade played music. But my son plays alternative music, and periodically I'd have to call them because I could hear more than I wanted to hear."
Page joined the military in Milwaukee in 1992 and was a repairman for the Hawk missile system before switching jobs to become one of the Army's psychological operations specialists, according to the defense official.
So-called "psy-ops" specialists are responsible for the analysis, development and distribution of intelligence used for psychological effect. Fort Bragg, N.C., was among the bases where Page served.
Online records show Page had a brief criminal history in other states, including pleading guilty to misdemeanor criminal mischief after a 1994 arrest in El Paso. He received six months' probation. Page also pleaded guilty to driving under the influence in Colorado in 1999 but never completed a sentence that included alcohol treatment, records show.
Suburban Milwaukee police had no contact with Page before Sunday's shooting, and his record gave no indication he was capable of such violence, authorities said.
The FBI was leading the investigation because the shooting was considered domestic terrorism, or an attack that originated inside the U.S. The agency said it had no reason to believe anyone other than Page was involved.
Page began shooting as several dozen people prepared for Sunday services.
Satpal Kaleka, wife of the temple's president, Satwant Singh Kaleka, was in the front room and saw the gunman enter the temple, according to Harpreet Singh, their nephew.
"He did not speak. He just began shooting," said Singh, relaying a description of the attack from Satpal Kaleka.
Kaleka said the 6-foot bald white man - who worshippers said they had never seen before - seemed like he knew where he was going.
"We never thought this could happen to our community," said Devendar Nagra of Mount Pleasant, whose sister escaped injury by hiding as the gunman fired in the temple's kitchen. "We never did anything wrong to anyone."
Federal officials said the gun used in the attack had been legally purchased.
Page was issued five pistol-purchase permits in 2008 by the Cumberland County Sheriff's office in North Carolina, paying a $5 fee for each. The sheriff's office declined to release his application form, which requires another person to affirm the applicant is of "good moral character." The forms also typically ask about military experience of applicants, who must pass a criminal background check.
Page did not have the additional permit needed to legally carry a concealed weapon.
On Sunday, the first officer to respond was shot eight to nine times as the officer tended to a victim outside. A second officer then exchanged gunfire with the suspect, who was fatally shot.
The wounded officer was in critical condition Monday, along with two other people who were wounded.
Balginder Khattra of Oak Creek, said Monday that his 84-year-old father, Suveg Singh Khattra, was among the dead. Khattra says his father didn't speak English but loved living in America.
Sikhism is a monotheistic faith founded more than 500 years ago in South Asia. It has roughly 27 million followers worldwide. Observant Sikhs do not cut their hair. Male followers often cover their heads with turbans - which are considered sacred - and refrain from shaving their beards. There are roughly 500,000 Sikhs in the U.S., according to estimates. The majority worldwide live in India.
The Sikh Temple of Wisconsin started in 1997 with about 25 families who gathered in community halls in Milwaukee. Construction on the current temple in Oak Creek began in 2006, according to the temple's website.
The New York-based Sikh Coalition has reported more than 700 hate crimes in the U.S. since 9/11 and has fielded complaints in the thousands from Sikhs about workplace discrimination and racial profiling. With their turbans and long beards, Sikhs are often mistaken for Muslims or Arabs, and have inadvertently become targets of anti-Muslim bias in the United States.
The shooting also came two weeks after a gunman killed 12 people at movie theater in Colorado.
Wade Michael Page strode into the temple carrying a 9mm handgun and multiple magazines of ammunition and opened fire without saying a word, authorities said.
When the shooting at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in suburban Milwaukee ended, six victims ranging in age from 39 to 84 years old lay dead. Three others were critically wounded.
Page, who joined the Army in 1992 and was discharged in 1998, was described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a "frustrated neo-Nazi" who was active in the obscure underworld of white supremacist music.
Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the nonprofit civil rights organization in Montgomery, Ala., said Page had been on the white-power music scene for more than a decade, playing in bands known as Definite Hate and End Apathy.
"The name of the band seems to reflect what he went out and actually did," said Potok. The music often includes lyrics that discuss genocide against Jews and other minorities.
Potok said there's no research showing white supremacists hating Sikhs, suggesting Sunday's attack could have been an example of someone mistaking Sikhs for another group, such as Muslims.
In a 2010 interview, Page told a white supremacist website that he became active in white-power music in 2000, when he left his native Colorado and started the band End Apathy in 2005.
He told the website his "inspiration was based on frustration that we have the potential to accomplish so much more as individuals and a society in whole," according to the law center. He did not mention violence.
End Apathy's MySpace page said the group was based in Nashville, N.C.
Joseph Rackley of Nashville, N.C., said Monday that Page lived with his son for about six months last year in a house on Rackley's property. Wade was bald and had tattoos all over his arms, Rackley said, but he doesn't remember what they depicted. He said he wasn't aware of any ties Page had to white supremacists.
"I'm not a nosy kind of guy," Rackley said. "When he stayed with my son, I don't even know if Wade played music. But my son plays alternative music, and periodically I'd have to call them because I could hear more than I wanted to hear."
Page joined the military in Milwaukee in 1992 and was a repairman for the Hawk missile system before switching jobs to become one of the Army's psychological operations specialists, according to the defense official.
So-called "psy-ops" specialists are responsible for the analysis, development and distribution of intelligence used for psychological effect. Fort Bragg, N.C., was among the bases where Page served.
Online records show Page had a brief criminal history in other states, including pleading guilty to misdemeanor criminal mischief after a 1994 arrest in El Paso. He received six months' probation. Page also pleaded guilty to driving under the influence in Colorado in 1999 but never completed a sentence that included alcohol treatment, records show.
Suburban Milwaukee police had no contact with Page before Sunday's shooting, and his record gave no indication he was capable of such violence, authorities said.
The FBI was leading the investigation because the shooting was considered domestic terrorism, or an attack that originated inside the U.S. The agency said it had no reason to believe anyone other than Page was involved.
Page began shooting as several dozen people prepared for Sunday services.
Satpal Kaleka, wife of the temple's president, Satwant Singh Kaleka, was in the front room and saw the gunman enter the temple, according to Harpreet Singh, their nephew.
"He did not speak. He just began shooting," said Singh, relaying a description of the attack from Satpal Kaleka.
Kaleka said the 6-foot bald white man - who worshippers said they had never seen before - seemed like he knew where he was going.
"We never thought this could happen to our community," said Devendar Nagra of Mount Pleasant, whose sister escaped injury by hiding as the gunman fired in the temple's kitchen. "We never did anything wrong to anyone."
Federal officials said the gun used in the attack had been legally purchased.
Page was issued five pistol-purchase permits in 2008 by the Cumberland County Sheriff's office in North Carolina, paying a $5 fee for each. The sheriff's office declined to release his application form, which requires another person to affirm the applicant is of "good moral character." The forms also typically ask about military experience of applicants, who must pass a criminal background check.
Page did not have the additional permit needed to legally carry a concealed weapon.
On Sunday, the first officer to respond was shot eight to nine times as the officer tended to a victim outside. A second officer then exchanged gunfire with the suspect, who was fatally shot.
The wounded officer was in critical condition Monday, along with two other people who were wounded.
Balginder Khattra of Oak Creek, said Monday that his 84-year-old father, Suveg Singh Khattra, was among the dead. Khattra says his father didn't speak English but loved living in America.
Sikhism is a monotheistic faith founded more than 500 years ago in South Asia. It has roughly 27 million followers worldwide. Observant Sikhs do not cut their hair. Male followers often cover their heads with turbans - which are considered sacred - and refrain from shaving their beards. There are roughly 500,000 Sikhs in the U.S., according to estimates. The majority worldwide live in India.
The Sikh Temple of Wisconsin started in 1997 with about 25 families who gathered in community halls in Milwaukee. Construction on the current temple in Oak Creek began in 2006, according to the temple's website.
The New York-based Sikh Coalition has reported more than 700 hate crimes in the U.S. since 9/11 and has fielded complaints in the thousands from Sikhs about workplace discrimination and racial profiling. With their turbans and long beards, Sikhs are often mistaken for Muslims or Arabs, and have inadvertently become targets of anti-Muslim bias in the United States.
The shooting also came two weeks after a gunman killed 12 people at movie theater in Colorado.
People like this are so ignorant and narrow minded, they listen to people like Rush Limbaugh, spouting anti-Muslim rhetoric, they are blinded, they lump everyone into one catagory. This guy's hatred is tinged with xenophobia also, he thinks that all foreigners (actual or perceived) with head wraps are Muslim. I'll bet that he didn't know that Sikh's and Muslims hate each other. They have been at war with each other for centuries. I would rank him as a Dumb Terrorist.
 @backinmyday Good point. I didn't know that until my friend who is Sikh told me that the other day. He also said the Indian president is Muslim. They have been at war, but not all think that way there also. He said even though they fight, there is no way they would attack each other during prayer, or in a temple. Not all Sikh's hate Muslims and not all Muslims hate Sikh's. He said it's just "hate" and ignorance, and the guy was a nutball. He asked me why the shooter at the Batman movie wasn't called a "domestic terrorist" also..I didn't have a very good answer for him other than media and politics.
If they selected whack jobs like Page for psy ops I am really worried....
I read in several news stories that he posted on and promoted his band on Stormfront (who are presently cheering this murder spree on their site), I've seen the screenshots, and he also belonged to a hate group called Volksfront. Â Here is a collection of sources, screenshots and links. Â The myspace page for this monster's band has several photos of him with the Nazi swastika flag in the background as well. Â His record label is also exclusively and self identified as a white power record label.
http://www.realcourage.org/2012/08/wisconsin-terrorist-attack/
It didn't seem to post properly, this was in response to Granny_Mac.
Granny is off her "rocker"... trying to make it like she cares, I'm sure she knows this band well, don't you granny...
I heard on the radio that this band he was in did not have any lyrics of racism. I heard it on a legitimate radio station.  I pray for the community in Milwaukee and the mourners there.Â
Granny, your statements don't add up. I would question your idea of a "legitimate" radio station. And why would you start with that excuse anyways and then offer a prayer. I think you know more about this band then you are offering up, maybe like season tickets to their tour?
hmmm, then i wonder what type of lyrics they were, i wonder if they sang rock ballads? I love rock ballads, but i'm not sure i would go to any of their concerts, especially if during the breaks, the chant of "white-power" is the cheer for an encore...
Christians and Islamic's have killed more people in the name of their "God" and religion, than any other group of people on this planet?Christians condone killing..even if they "love" jesus.Better study some historical facts,,and your own Religious history
 @Whitehawk I think you are the one who needs to study some historical facts. Stalin was an atheist, and he killed more people under his regime than the Crusades and the Holocaust combined. Mao, Pol Pot, and Mussolini were also atheists who killed millions. So saying that Christians and Muslims have killed more than any other group is just a flat out lie.
 @glamdring2012 True but its a lie that is simple to repeat and they get by with it because most people don't know its bogus. Its one of those things thats been said so many times now that people actually believe it. In addition, for the most part, Christians don't condone murder. When they do its usually only capital punishment. On the other hand most have no problem with killing if its defending somones' life but that isn't murder.
Nowhere is safe these days. Buy your guns and keep them loaded.
 @angkor_warrior I would buy a gun, but Obama banned them. Amidoingitright?
 @caphillkid You should get a BB gun. Nowurdoingitright.
Okay, and in a panicky situation with high stress, if I accidentally shoot, let's say you or someone you love, by accident, the risk is worth it? Right?
 @Koawoodplayer Who said, and why do you expect 100% perfection? There are going to be accidents and that is a cost that has to be accepted. You can't throw out the baby with the bathwater just because a very small possibility something may harm or kill you. If that were the criteria we used for things no one would do practically anything.
 @Koawoodplayer If you panic with high stress, you shouldn't be handling a gun. I recommend you take some classes. If you happen to be one of those people that panic with high stress and you aim that gun towards me or my love ones. I will put you down most likely, considering you are a threat and probably the accomplice. Sorry. I'm just saying.
 @Koawoodplayer  @angkor_warrior Pepper spray can be very effective, it would also help you maintain a safe distance (hopefully) if you were attacked. I always have my pepper spray, even when I have my gun. And if you accidentally spray someone, including yourself, MOST of the time everyone will be just fine..after the pain goes away. My mom gave me my first pepper spray when I was 11. That's kind of sad and funny..
 @Koawoodplayer  @angkor_warrior I like that you know your limits and work within them. Please let those whos limits allow them to handle firearms do so as well.
 @Koawoodplayer Stick to your knife.
@angkor_warrior I wouldn't aim the gun at you on purpose, but in a high stress situation with the threat of my life very imminent, I might just shoot at anything moving. Hard to say. I would love to carry a gun, but where I work, I cannot. Right now, all I carry is a very sharp knife. If I get grabbed, I wouldn't hesitate to stab and slash. Why? Because I was always a tomboy and when I fought the boys in our neighborhood, they were the ones who ran and hid. There are no rules in fighting.
 @Koawoodplayer Guess you need to "practice" "practice" practice" eh?
To the comment below saying that this man wasn't a real Christian:Â Bill O'Reilly made the same argument regarding the Norway shooter, who is a self described Christian warrior.Â
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It is not Billo's or anyone's right to question another person's faith or beliefs.
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Using that logic, any moderate Muslim could just as easily claim that the 9/11 terrorists were real Muslims.Â
@caphillkid   Hitler claimed to be a Christian also but I don't know an Christians who agree with his self proclaimed religous beliefs. You can call yourself a Martian, doesn't make it so.
Excuse me, I meant to write, "using that logic any moderate Muslim could just as easily claim that the 9/11 terrorists were NOT real Muslims."
@caphillkid I think it would be a valid claim. Moderate Muslims we're horrified by the terrorist actions and have nothing to do with those murderers. If you judge every group by their extremists, we're all evil, useless murderers.
 @caphillkid True in a sense but Christians also see it as real Christians who believe and follow Jesus Christ would never do something like XXX, whatever it may be so they do not consider them real Christians since it is counter to his teachings. The problem with Islam is that these principles are built into the religion and the moderates choose not to participate in them. Therein lies the difference.Â
I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy in this Christian dominated country. We easily will dismiss our own Christian extremists as "not really Christian" but will not do the same for Muslims.
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I am not judging the group by their extremists. I am saying that it is flat out wrong to say that someone is not what they claim to be when it comes to religion. In fact, our Constitution specifically protects each of us in this respect.Â
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Saying that someone is "not a real <insert religion here>" is a dangerous slope to go down.Â
 @caphillkid I can't believe there is no edit button in this comment system.
If any Asian or Sikh would have committed the same act the entire community would have been labeled as terrorist. In two weeks two white men have committed act of terrorism. Are you guys going to generalize the situation??
 @Pardeep It's already been generalized man. Shootings in schools, theathers, churches. DING! DING! DING! The stereotype of ALL ethnicity will always exist.Â
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 @Pardeep Counter to what svensson states the generalization happens across all demographics but on the other hand so does the condemnation of this idiots actions. But putting aside svensson's political rantings for a moment I have to say that this madman was a terrorist and lowlife. Each person must be judged individually not by their association with any particular group or idea whether or not a particular group is known for good or bad. Asians and Sikh's are not terrorists but some who happen to be Asian or Sikhs may be. There are some who may generalize but please remember most see this for what it was and do not do so.
@SeattleJoe @Pardeep Uh Joe, where did I get into political rantings?
I said that Pardeep has a point,
I said that most Americans know better than to generalize, but that some probably will. In this case, it would likely be the far right types. That doesn't mean the far left doesn't go off on it's issues, but that this isn't one of times.
I commented that, yes, my education is culturally Western, and that there are some actions I have a problem with, but that we don't have much of a leg to stand on in the US in regards to senseless religious violence.
I'm not seeing where the 'ranting' is coming into that.
@SeattleJoe @Pardeep Well, alirght. I didn't see my comments as overtly political necessarily, I was just commenting on the stereotype. I can see your point, but I'm not sure I'd come to the same conclusions. That, however, is the joy of the internet... sometimes cold text does not provide the subtle inflections or context and misunderstandings often result.
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Good discussion though.
 @SeattleJoe Not the people here, the crazy people..wish there was an edit button, not just on this forum but for life too.
 @SeattleJoe I don't think it is anything more than this guy was a nut and the "us and them" mentality. We all have it to a certain degree, whether it's us and our neighbors are "them" or we are whatever religion and everyone else is "them". I think that's simplifying it probably too much, but that's how I see it. I wish it wasn't that way, at least to the degree these people take it.
 @svensson  @SeattleJoe  @Pardeep Sorry svensson but while I almost always agree with you, this phrase qualifies as political ranting: "Some of the more right-wing types probably would have, that's true. Sad and stupid, but true."   Simply put its endemic to all parties. The left wingers are also guilty of generalizations in situations like this though less so. The typical left wing generalization in this situation is something like "Religion has killed more people than blah blah blah".  I had to call you on this because you singled out right wingers but in reality its everyone (and since its left wing/right wing its political though the word political isn't exactly accurate I'm sure you see what I'm saying). I understand your response "That doesn't mean the far left doesn't go off on it's issues, but that this isn't one of times."  but I respectfully disagree for the reasons I state above.Â
@Pardeep Some of the more right-wing types probably would have, that's true. Sad and stupid, but true.
The more sensible of us [the majority] would have chalked it up to some cultural thing. I'm personally aware of the religious troubles in India between the Hindu majority and the Sikhs and as a person raised in the culture of the geopolitical West, I admit to objecting to things like arranged marriages, bride burnings, and honor killings. But let's be real about this: racial or religious violence isn't new to America either.
I have to admit that I'm kinda relieved [cuz 'glad' sure as Hell ain't the right word] that it's 'just' a criminal action by some Aryan Idiot.
In my hobby [Civil War reenacting] I get in contact with a lot of JBLM military personnel and recent veterans of the GWOT. A few of them have some real PTSD-related hatred of Muslims. They call them 'Hajji's' in the same way that VietNam vets called all Orientals 'gooks' back in the day. I was more than a little worried that some ex-troopie had gone off and done something really stupid.
Let me also say that only a very few of the troops [mostly Army and AF] that I've met and talked to have this particular symptom and that with counselling it can be treated. By and large, it's related to the hyper-vigilence and paranoia symptoms and those also fade with time.
I just see the guy as a murderer. Plain and simple. Wisconsin does not have the death penalty so I'm glad the tax payers won't have to feed and clothe him.
I am very much a Centrist when it comes to politics. I am a Constitutionalist to my very core. However I have a BONE TO PICK! Why is it when any Nut Job shoots and kills someone in the name of their idiot mind are they called a "far right or right extremist" ??? By this standard anyone who rapes, mugs, break-in, robs, steals, or kills someone to get their money, drugs, guns, valuables, forced sex, or involved in any form of pedophilia, hates whites, is in a gang, etc MUST BE A FAR LEFT OR LEFT EXTREMIST because they want something for nothing. Rob the rich, take what should be mine mine mine, give me give me give me, take their life because I want what they have. SERIOUSLY news media and every other person out their calling and labeling these ignorant insane people as the Far Right and Far Left STOP IT!!! Label them as they are, SELFISH, IGNORANT MONSTERS!!! Bigots of every kind from race, religion, to finances. All these people that take what they want, kill in the name of SELFISHNESS, Greed, and bigotry, drugs, money, forcing fear,... etc - it is what it is!!! YOU ARE YOUR OWN GROUP, not FAR LEFT OR RIGHT, you are simply MONSTERS.My Beautiful Sikh Brothers and Sisters, I am not Sikh, I am a Mormon... ALL should know what a beautiful people you are. No act of violence forms in your strong hearts. How sad too see such a tragedy on American soil to have the lives of those taken in your own house of worship. ⥠My heart is heavy this day. I send my love and  prayers to you and your community... and most of all I send my love as your sister in humankind. My prayers are with you my heart is broken. Your friend,Sheryl L.
 @Sheryl Same reason Hitler killed, same reason KKK killed, same reason Kamar Rouge killed. This guy did it out of prejudice. The movie house moron did it out of fantasy. Any way you figure it. Its too much goofy crap in the head. I'm glad the guy is dead. Saved everybody money. And to my follow citizens whom are Sikh, I morn with you.
 @Sheryl "Why is it when any Nut Job shoots and kills someone in the name of their idiot mind are they called a "far right or right extremist" ???"
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It's quite simple. How many members of any white supremacist group voted for Obama and support equal rights?
 @ducati Dude, really bad argument. Assuming this type of jerkwad votes at all its true they might go for the right wing but as svensson said they typically vote for the nutjob candidates that match their nutjob beliefs. Secondly you mention voting for Obama and supporting equal rights. As mentioned above why would they vote for Obama or a republican when they would vote for their type of candidate? As for equal rights, this type of nutjob is all about NOT being equal. You are thinking that you are clever in implying that conservatives are not for equal rights but they have done a boatload for equal rights. You apparently have such a short memory or complete lack of historical knowledge that you only see whats happened in the last couple years as opposed to over 100 years of conservatives improving human rights. They haven't been perfect but the liberals haven't been either.Â
I don't have the time to debate you on those talking points, unlike you I really believe this president is trying to do his best and is honest with who he is. I'll just say that the other candidate is at best a chameleon and at worst a chameleon. He will just go with what ever flow to get votes or people to like him, no one really knows who he really is, especially himself, but you know what, he will get most of his votes based on race, religion, and fear. Seriously, he cant even spell foreign policy, he would be more awkard then Bush abroad. BUT if he gets elected, i know who will be pulling his strings, yes, the extremist of his party (i think you are smart enough to figure that out too). And for the White Christians (with all their ideological stances), Church/State will be merged. In their minds, the real Americans have finally taken back "their" country. Hence their (your?) rally cries of "taking back their country and taking it back to the good ol days". Really?, taking it back from who? those they deem aren't real americans like them, and how far do they want to take it back to? Hopefully not pass the 80s, i really like the 80s, but any farther back than the 70s, my rights are somewhat at risk. Let me just tell you a story you may recognize: I had a lady(conservative) say to me, you know, minorites in the country arent really americans, their heart will always be with their homeland, and their religion. To which i said, i did not know that, thanks for helping me realize that i can never truly be American? I said You're not scared of Obama, you are scared of the idea that someone different than you is running "your" country...and that is the sad truth.
 @walkthisway I can see your point and to a degree I agree. However I'm an independent and like to vote for whomever makes the most sense. With that in mind I examine all the parties/candidates and don't like what I see in most of them. Since you have named issues with the right I'll cover the left. What scares me about the left and related ilk is things like: 1) When they realized that talk radio was effectively countering them what did they do? They tried to eliminate it with the "Fairness doctrine". 2) Fearless leader Obama basically told people of faith to stuff it and dispense day after abortion pills against their conscience. So much for freedom and liberty. 3) The justice department enacted a horrible gun running operation that under the guise of tracking guns (it didn't track them), was meant to create a public backlash so they could enact more gun control. 4) The current liberal leaders all promised a whole bunch of things like no more earmarks, transparency, no lobbyists, etc and broke them all. So much for trust. 5) Obama made huge foreign policy mistakes that while campaigning claimed he would heal the wounds with the rest of the world and ended up looking like a idiot so now we look impotent as a country. 6) Obama said during the election that Bush was un-American for running up so much debt then runs up 3 times as much in half the time Bush had and the liberals think this is somehow ok or with blinders on say its Bush's fault.
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This scares me and should scare everyone.
Joe, as a minority and i can tell you that in this currently political climate, i am more afraid of the right than i am of the left.  These are not your fathers republicans, i actually like Reagan and Bush Sr, but these days, it's just plain scary. I will site Bachman, she wouldn't know the difference btw any of the eastern religions, but yet she's think she knows that there is Muslim infiltration in the US Govt. If she and hers fellow McCarthyists had it their way, they would round up all perceived muslims (and anyone assoc with) and put them in concentration camps, all in the name of Homeland Security. I'm sure that can't happen in the US again, right? Religion, race, and fear are powerful tools when you feed it to those who believe it. The right needs more fair and honorable reps like McCain (your father's republicans).
@ducati @Sheryl On the other hand, how many of those same white supremacists voted for McCain and Palin [a woman].
Most of these Aryan Idiots, those that bother to vote at all, are of the Lynden LaRoche conspiracy theorist lunatic fringe.
 @ducati Riiight. Nice hyperbole that even a middle schooler can see through. Sheesh.
 @svensson I'm sure they'd vote for Beck