Parents deported, what happens to US-born kids?

STAMFORD, Conn. (AP) — Alexis Molina was just 10 years old when his mother was abruptly cut out of his life and his carefree childhood unraveled overnight.
"She went for her papers," he says. "And she never came back."
Alexis' father, Rony Molina, a landscaper, was born in Guatemala but has lived here for 12 years and is an American citizen. Alexis, now 11, and his 8-year-old brother, Steve, are Americans, too. So is their 19-year-old stepsister, Evelin. But their mother, Sandra, who lived here illegally, was deported to Guatemala a year and a half ago.
"How can my country not allow a mother to be with her children, especially when they are so young and they need her," Rony Molina asks, "and especially when they are Americans?"
It's a question thousands of other families are wrestling with as a record number of deportations means record numbers of American children being left without a parent — despite President Barack Obama's promise that his administration would focus on removing only criminals.
Nearly 45,000 such parents were removed in the first six months of this year, says the federal department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
At least 5,100 U.S. citizen children in 22 states live in foster care, according to an estimate by the Applied Research Center, a New York-based advocacy organization, which first reported on such cases last year.
And an unknown number of those children are being put up for adoption against the wishes of their parents, who, once deported, are often helpless to fight when a U.S. judge decides that their children are better off here.
"I had no idea what was happening," says Janna Hakim of the morning in 2010 when a loud knocking at her Brooklyn apartment door jolted her awake. It was the first Friday of Ramadan, and her Palestinian mother, Faten, was in the kitchen baking the pastries she sold to local stores.
Janna, then 16, and her siblings were all born here. None knew that their mother was in the U.S. illegally — or that a deportation order from years earlier meant she could be whisked away by ICE agents and her family's comfortable New York life could come crashing to a halt.
"I am not a criminal. I am the mother of American children and they need me, especially the younger ones," she cried over the phone from Ramallah, where she is living with her own mother after 20 years away. "How can a country break up families like this?"
Critics say the parents are to blame for entering the country illegally in the first place.
"Yes, these are sad stories," says Bob Dane, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which advocates tougher enforcement against illegal immigration. "But these parents have taken a reckless gamble with their children's future by sneaking into the country illegally, knowing they could be deported."
"Not to deport them," he continued, "gives them the ultimate bonus package, and creates an incentive for others to do the same thing."
Others, including Obama, say splitting up families is wrong.
"When nursing mothers are torn from their babies, when children come home from school to find their parents missing ... when all this is happening, the system just isn't working and we need to change it," Obama declared during his first run for president in 2008. A year ago, he told a Texas audience that deportation should target "violent offenders and people convicted of crimes; not families, not folks who are just looking to scrape together an income."
And, last year ICE announced a new policy of "prosecutorial discretion" that directs agents to consider how long someone has been in the country, their ties to communities and whether that person's spouse or children are U.S. citizens.
"That gave us a lot of hope," said David Leopold, general counsel for The American Immigration Lawyers Association. "Now we are all scratching our heads wondering where is the discretion when many of our lawyers continue to see people being deported with no criminal record, including parents of American children."
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"Quiet, slow-motion tragedies unfold every day ... as parents caught up in immigration enforcement are separated from their young children and disappear," Nina Rabin, an associate clinical professor of law at the University of Arizona, wrote last year in "Disappearing Parents: A Report on Immigration Enforcement and the Child Welfare System."
Rabin, an immigration lawyer, says one of the most unsettling experiences of her life was witnessing the "cruel and nightmarish destruction" of one Mexican family whom she represented in a fruitless attempt to keep a mother and her children together.
The mother, Amelia Reyes-Jimenez, carried her blind and paralyzed baby boy, Cesar, across the Mexican border in 1995 seeking better medical care, Rabin said. She settled in Phoenix — illegally — and had three more children, all American citizens. In 2008 she was arrested after her disabled teen son was found home alone.
Locked in detention, clueless as to her rights or what was happening to her children, she pleaded guilty to child endangerment charges, and then spent two years fighting to stay with her children.
Twice her attorneys tried to convince an immigration judge that she qualified for a visa "on account of the harm that would be done to her three U.S. citizen children if she were to be deported," Rabin said. She lost and was deported back to Mexico in 2010.
Last year, her parental rights were terminated by an Arizona court after a judge ruled that she had failed to make progress towards reunification with her children — something Rabin said was impossible to do, locked away for months without access to legal counsel or notifications from the child welfare agency.
Her case is before the Arizona State Court of Appeals, but Rabin says regardless of the outcome the family has been destroyed.
"Tragically, we hear of cases like this every day," Rabin says. A key reason, she says, is the extreme disconnect between federal immigration and state child welfare policies that leads to "Kafkaesqe results" when parents and children are swallowed up by the system.
Many advocacy agencies now encourage immigrants to have a detailed plan in place in case they are deported, including granting power of attorney in advance to someone who can take custody of their children.
ICE, meanwhile, maintains it tries to work with such groups to ensure "family unity."
"ICE takes great care to evaluate cases that warrant humanitarian release," said spokeswoman Dani Bennett. "For parents who are ordered removed, it is their decision whether or not to relocate their children with them."
But immigration lawyers say that is not so easy.
A recurring complaint is that clients "disappear," often sent to detention centers far away and denied access to family court hearings, phones and attorneys. Many do not fully understand that custody of their children might be slipping away.
Federal law requires states to pursue termination of parental rights if the parent has been absent for 15 out of 22 consecutive months, and some states allow proceedings to begin even sooner.
In 2007, Encarnacion Bail Romero lost custody of her 6-month-old son, Carlos, after she was arrested during an ICE raid on a chicken plant in Missouri. While she was imprisoned, her baby was first cared for by relatives and later adopted, against her wishes, by a Missouri couple after a judge said the child was better off with them.
Last year the Missouri Supreme Court called the decision "a travesty of justice," sent the case back for retrial.
Although Bail Romero was ordered deported, the Guatemalan government arranged for her to get temporary legal status so that she could stay in the U.S. to fight for her child.
"I am the mother of Carlitos," she said, begging the court to return her child. Her pleas were ignored. In July, a judge terminated her parental rights, saying she had effectively abandoned her son.
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In the little mountain town of Sparta, N.C., the family of Felipe Montes is facing a similar fight. When immigration agents deported the 32-year-old laborer to Mexico two years ago, his three young sons — American citizens — were left in the care of their mentally ill, American-born mother. Within two weeks, social workers placed the boys in foster care.
Montes and his wife want the children to live with him in Mexico, saying they are better off with their father than with strangers in the U.S.
But child welfare officials have asked a judge to strip Montes of his parental rights, arguing the children will have a better life here.
"I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't use drugs," Montes said earlier this year. "I have always taken care of my children, I have always loved them."
But parental love is only part of the equation. Even when children join their deported parents in order to keep the family together, it can be a struggle to adjust. In many cases they don't speak the language and fall behind at school.
"They don't have the same access to health care or education," says Aryah Somers, a Washington-based immigration lawyer who is in Guatemala on a Fulbright scholarship studying the effects of U.S. immigration policies on children.
Somers says she has encountered scores of deportees who were removed from their families, including many who have no criminal record and were deported after the new ICE discretionary policy was announced.
She described a mother from Los Angeles, a victim of domestic violence, who was deported earlier this year after police responded to a fight at her home. Desperate to return to her 3-year-old son, a citizen, the woman recently went to Mexico, where she plans to try to cross the border again, illegally.
Although Somers advised against that, she understands. "How can you blame her?" Somers asks. "Her frustration and devastation was just so complete."
There are some signs of change. Somers said she has heard about ICE agents boarding a deportation jet before it left the U.S. and freeing deportees who had lived in the country since they were children — a direct response to Obama's June executive order allowing such young people with no criminal record to temporarily stay and work.
In Chicago, Marilu Gonzalez, a coordinator at the Roman Catholic archdiocese's office of immigrant affairs described a recent case in which an immigrant mother, living here illegally, was arrested for driving under the influence. However, instead of being deported, she was released with an ankle monitoring bracelet and given a stay. And, instead of being placed in foster care, her children were permitted to stay with her sister, who is also here illegally.
"That would not have happened in the past," said Gonzalez, who sees hundreds of such cases. "She would have been deported."
In another rare move, Felipe Montes, the father who wants his children from North Carolina to join him in Mexico, has been granted permission to temporarily return to the U.S. to attend custody hearings, though he must wear an ankle monitoring bracelet.
Still, Gonzalez and others say the changes are random, open to interpretation by individual ICE agents. And many say it seems particularly cruel that deported parents who return illegally in order to be with their children should be a priority for removal.
In Congress, California Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard has proposed legislation that would make it more difficult for local agencies to terminate the parental rights of immigrants. She calls it "heartbreaking ... that in the U.S., immigration status in itself has become grounds to permanently separate families." It is, she said, "absolutely, unquestionably inhumane and unacceptable, particularly for a country that values family and fairness so highly."
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Eds: Helen O'Neill is a national writer for The Associated Press, based in New York.
"She went for her papers," he says. "And she never came back."
Alexis' father, Rony Molina, a landscaper, was born in Guatemala but has lived here for 12 years and is an American citizen. Alexis, now 11, and his 8-year-old brother, Steve, are Americans, too. So is their 19-year-old stepsister, Evelin. But their mother, Sandra, who lived here illegally, was deported to Guatemala a year and a half ago.
"How can my country not allow a mother to be with her children, especially when they are so young and they need her," Rony Molina asks, "and especially when they are Americans?"
It's a question thousands of other families are wrestling with as a record number of deportations means record numbers of American children being left without a parent — despite President Barack Obama's promise that his administration would focus on removing only criminals.
Nearly 45,000 such parents were removed in the first six months of this year, says the federal department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
At least 5,100 U.S. citizen children in 22 states live in foster care, according to an estimate by the Applied Research Center, a New York-based advocacy organization, which first reported on such cases last year.
And an unknown number of those children are being put up for adoption against the wishes of their parents, who, once deported, are often helpless to fight when a U.S. judge decides that their children are better off here.
"I had no idea what was happening," says Janna Hakim of the morning in 2010 when a loud knocking at her Brooklyn apartment door jolted her awake. It was the first Friday of Ramadan, and her Palestinian mother, Faten, was in the kitchen baking the pastries she sold to local stores.
Janna, then 16, and her siblings were all born here. None knew that their mother was in the U.S. illegally — or that a deportation order from years earlier meant she could be whisked away by ICE agents and her family's comfortable New York life could come crashing to a halt.
"I am not a criminal. I am the mother of American children and they need me, especially the younger ones," she cried over the phone from Ramallah, where she is living with her own mother after 20 years away. "How can a country break up families like this?"
Critics say the parents are to blame for entering the country illegally in the first place.
"Yes, these are sad stories," says Bob Dane, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which advocates tougher enforcement against illegal immigration. "But these parents have taken a reckless gamble with their children's future by sneaking into the country illegally, knowing they could be deported."
"Not to deport them," he continued, "gives them the ultimate bonus package, and creates an incentive for others to do the same thing."
Others, including Obama, say splitting up families is wrong.
"When nursing mothers are torn from their babies, when children come home from school to find their parents missing ... when all this is happening, the system just isn't working and we need to change it," Obama declared during his first run for president in 2008. A year ago, he told a Texas audience that deportation should target "violent offenders and people convicted of crimes; not families, not folks who are just looking to scrape together an income."
And, last year ICE announced a new policy of "prosecutorial discretion" that directs agents to consider how long someone has been in the country, their ties to communities and whether that person's spouse or children are U.S. citizens.
"That gave us a lot of hope," said David Leopold, general counsel for The American Immigration Lawyers Association. "Now we are all scratching our heads wondering where is the discretion when many of our lawyers continue to see people being deported with no criminal record, including parents of American children."
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"Quiet, slow-motion tragedies unfold every day ... as parents caught up in immigration enforcement are separated from their young children and disappear," Nina Rabin, an associate clinical professor of law at the University of Arizona, wrote last year in "Disappearing Parents: A Report on Immigration Enforcement and the Child Welfare System."
Rabin, an immigration lawyer, says one of the most unsettling experiences of her life was witnessing the "cruel and nightmarish destruction" of one Mexican family whom she represented in a fruitless attempt to keep a mother and her children together.
The mother, Amelia Reyes-Jimenez, carried her blind and paralyzed baby boy, Cesar, across the Mexican border in 1995 seeking better medical care, Rabin said. She settled in Phoenix — illegally — and had three more children, all American citizens. In 2008 she was arrested after her disabled teen son was found home alone.
Locked in detention, clueless as to her rights or what was happening to her children, she pleaded guilty to child endangerment charges, and then spent two years fighting to stay with her children.
Twice her attorneys tried to convince an immigration judge that she qualified for a visa "on account of the harm that would be done to her three U.S. citizen children if she were to be deported," Rabin said. She lost and was deported back to Mexico in 2010.
Last year, her parental rights were terminated by an Arizona court after a judge ruled that she had failed to make progress towards reunification with her children — something Rabin said was impossible to do, locked away for months without access to legal counsel or notifications from the child welfare agency.
Her case is before the Arizona State Court of Appeals, but Rabin says regardless of the outcome the family has been destroyed.
"Tragically, we hear of cases like this every day," Rabin says. A key reason, she says, is the extreme disconnect between federal immigration and state child welfare policies that leads to "Kafkaesqe results" when parents and children are swallowed up by the system.
Many advocacy agencies now encourage immigrants to have a detailed plan in place in case they are deported, including granting power of attorney in advance to someone who can take custody of their children.
ICE, meanwhile, maintains it tries to work with such groups to ensure "family unity."
"ICE takes great care to evaluate cases that warrant humanitarian release," said spokeswoman Dani Bennett. "For parents who are ordered removed, it is their decision whether or not to relocate their children with them."
But immigration lawyers say that is not so easy.
A recurring complaint is that clients "disappear," often sent to detention centers far away and denied access to family court hearings, phones and attorneys. Many do not fully understand that custody of their children might be slipping away.
Federal law requires states to pursue termination of parental rights if the parent has been absent for 15 out of 22 consecutive months, and some states allow proceedings to begin even sooner.
In 2007, Encarnacion Bail Romero lost custody of her 6-month-old son, Carlos, after she was arrested during an ICE raid on a chicken plant in Missouri. While she was imprisoned, her baby was first cared for by relatives and later adopted, against her wishes, by a Missouri couple after a judge said the child was better off with them.
Last year the Missouri Supreme Court called the decision "a travesty of justice," sent the case back for retrial.
Although Bail Romero was ordered deported, the Guatemalan government arranged for her to get temporary legal status so that she could stay in the U.S. to fight for her child.
"I am the mother of Carlitos," she said, begging the court to return her child. Her pleas were ignored. In July, a judge terminated her parental rights, saying she had effectively abandoned her son.
___
In the little mountain town of Sparta, N.C., the family of Felipe Montes is facing a similar fight. When immigration agents deported the 32-year-old laborer to Mexico two years ago, his three young sons — American citizens — were left in the care of their mentally ill, American-born mother. Within two weeks, social workers placed the boys in foster care.
Montes and his wife want the children to live with him in Mexico, saying they are better off with their father than with strangers in the U.S.
But child welfare officials have asked a judge to strip Montes of his parental rights, arguing the children will have a better life here.
"I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't use drugs," Montes said earlier this year. "I have always taken care of my children, I have always loved them."
But parental love is only part of the equation. Even when children join their deported parents in order to keep the family together, it can be a struggle to adjust. In many cases they don't speak the language and fall behind at school.
"They don't have the same access to health care or education," says Aryah Somers, a Washington-based immigration lawyer who is in Guatemala on a Fulbright scholarship studying the effects of U.S. immigration policies on children.
Somers says she has encountered scores of deportees who were removed from their families, including many who have no criminal record and were deported after the new ICE discretionary policy was announced.
She described a mother from Los Angeles, a victim of domestic violence, who was deported earlier this year after police responded to a fight at her home. Desperate to return to her 3-year-old son, a citizen, the woman recently went to Mexico, where she plans to try to cross the border again, illegally.
Although Somers advised against that, she understands. "How can you blame her?" Somers asks. "Her frustration and devastation was just so complete."
There are some signs of change. Somers said she has heard about ICE agents boarding a deportation jet before it left the U.S. and freeing deportees who had lived in the country since they were children — a direct response to Obama's June executive order allowing such young people with no criminal record to temporarily stay and work.
In Chicago, Marilu Gonzalez, a coordinator at the Roman Catholic archdiocese's office of immigrant affairs described a recent case in which an immigrant mother, living here illegally, was arrested for driving under the influence. However, instead of being deported, she was released with an ankle monitoring bracelet and given a stay. And, instead of being placed in foster care, her children were permitted to stay with her sister, who is also here illegally.
"That would not have happened in the past," said Gonzalez, who sees hundreds of such cases. "She would have been deported."
In another rare move, Felipe Montes, the father who wants his children from North Carolina to join him in Mexico, has been granted permission to temporarily return to the U.S. to attend custody hearings, though he must wear an ankle monitoring bracelet.
Still, Gonzalez and others say the changes are random, open to interpretation by individual ICE agents. And many say it seems particularly cruel that deported parents who return illegally in order to be with their children should be a priority for removal.
In Congress, California Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard has proposed legislation that would make it more difficult for local agencies to terminate the parental rights of immigrants. She calls it "heartbreaking ... that in the U.S., immigration status in itself has become grounds to permanently separate families." It is, she said, "absolutely, unquestionably inhumane and unacceptable, particularly for a country that values family and fairness so highly."
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Eds: Helen O'Neill is a national writer for The Associated Press, based in New York.
I still maintain that children born of illegals should not be granted citizenship just because they were born here. They should be returned with their parents and then allowed to apply for citizenship once of legal age. This crap of illegals crying the blues over having to leave their children is a big load of BS. They should have never been here in the first place and they should be sent home and their kids along with them. Just because they were born here does that mean I have to support them for the next 10-20-30 years of their lives??? We probably had to pay for their birth in the first place. I am not going to support illegals just because they were born here.
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You don't have to kick the kids out.. they can stay, it's just the illegal parents that have to go. If they want to be with there kids they can go with. Anyone who believes that deportation of none felon illegals is up is believing election year hipe. There use to be two MD-80 setting at Williams Gateway airport that were making two trips a week "south". They are gone. Maby ICE is up on theirs but Az and Texas have to turn them over to ICE now, they turn them back out on the street. Don't know how the numbers could be up!
We have a huge immigration problem here in Texas. Its funny the Mexicans that have been here for 3 or 4 generations canât stand illegalâs and the city is sectioned off in 4 segments: white (north) Mexicans (central) and what yâall call Latinos or Hispanics which are the illegalâs actually live in the south and west side of town. Since I live in South Texas about an hour and a half from the border I cant comment on how other parts are, but I know we are funneling huge amounts of tax money through not for profit community action agencies to house these people and it needs to stop.
They should have thought of that before they had the children.
gee.. Let see... Honey if we have kids, alot of them, say 8 or 10... They wont deport us.
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Build more Orphanages.
Increase adoption services.
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And, without parents to support them isn't that going to increase the role of government...hugely. And, all those kids with abandonment issues and no adequate role models. I see lots of problems with your plan.
In am amazed by all the people who sit back and say, "Kick-em out" Â or "they should come here legally" and at the same time those same people have NO clue how the immigration system works, or what people have to go through to become citizens. Â
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I am amazed that people would say we should kick natural born citizens out because their parents are illegal. Â Seems that the term natural born citizen means nothing to them except when they are complaining about the president. Â
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 @Peace4all I'm not quite sure what is more pathetic, your obvious lack of intellect or your ignorance.Â
 @Peace4all If you can not understand that we put a cap on immigration and that cap has caused a huge illegal immigration problem then you really understand a bit of this issue. Â
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Don't call me stupid.
 @DeadRabitz I do know how hard it is and all the hoops and paper that come with getting into this country or a lot of others. That does not mean you get to go around the laws! They are there for a reason and those that don't follow them should be thrown out on there butts. GO back to step one and try the paper work route before you get here! The parent should of thought ahead when getting knocked up and popping out kids...... you brake the law and the punishment is to be far away from those you love!
Personal if your parents are citizens the kids should be anyway.
 @Fiery Girl We can say that about anyone everyone.  There isn't a person on this planet that shouldn't think before getting pregnant.  However that does nothing to address the issue. Â
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The issue is that people are so short sighted and holier than thou that they can not see the forest through the trees.
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The children who are natural  born citizens have every right to stay here.
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If we where smart at all we would start changing the system to better deal with the problem. Â Increase the number of people that we let in dramatically. Â Have centers that process people (Like we used to with Ellis Island). Â This was we can weed out the criminals, and those who attempt to smuggle contraband. Â This will decrease the numbers of illegals and decrease our need for boarder patrol. Â I currently am in Arizona for training, we spend billions and billions on a catch and release program that simply can not work.
 @DeadRabitz "There isn't a person on this planet that shouldn't think before getting pregnant."
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Man, you got that right.
 @DeadRabitz "Do any of you realize that we created this problem?"
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I have never supported illegal aliens, so keep me out of the "we".
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My wife is a legal immigrant turned citizen, and did it all within the boundaries of the law. It was a long and enduring process indeed, and we both were separated far too long for our emotions, BUT we endured. I'll be darned if the process wasn't meant for ALLÂ immigrants, not just the ones WALKING into this country because their country sucks.
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As far as natural born citizens go, indeed they are here within the same laws that we all have to obey. If we blame anyone for their [citizen children] predicament of having their parents deported, BLAME THE ILLEGAL PARENT(s)!
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If you consider yourself an American then it is "WE" who have created this issue.
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We have enjoyed the fruits of cheep labor and encouraged corporations to produce cheep products on the backs of immigrants. Apple Corporation...who doesn't pay taxes...has the luxury of exporting their factories to foreign countries and away from the scrutiny of American labor laws so they can exploit the people for greater profits.
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Food producers in this country don't have that luxury so they must import their cheep labor and those people come here with functioning human reproductive parts and strong Catholic values so you know there's going to be lots of them...so enjoy. But, stop blaming somebody else and stop claiming that your an American that didn't participate in this and should somehow be exempt; if you have any corporate manufactured good or have eaten anything then you are equally responsible as every other American. I'm not blaming but you can't blame everyone else because all Americans are complicit in this Capitalist system that exploits cheep foreign labor that doesn't enjoy the same rights as Americans.
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That is truly the meaning of American Exceptional-ism; we don't have to do those jobs because there's brown people to do it cheaper because they don't expect the rights that American expect.
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 @Icarus Well reasoned responses...I'm gonna mark this on my calendar.
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First, lets be clear. Â I understand that the illegal immigrants do much of the menial labor in this country and we benefit financially from that. Â
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What I was talking about was the problem based on supply and demand. Â We only supply (X) number of immigration visas per year. Â The demand is such that (X) times 5 is the demand. Â Therein lies our problem. Â We can either change our system to better deal with the demand or we can continue to through good money at a self inflicted wound.
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If you've eaten any processed food from Amour or any huge meat packing company then you've supported the importation of cheap labor. If you've ever eaten any fresh fruits or vegetables grown in the United States then you've supported the companies that created the market for cheep labor.
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Corporations are like the undead; they have all the rights of citizens but they never die, they suck the life-blood of regular people, and inviting them into your house results in all kinds of unintended consequences.
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Real live people just live and reproduce and work and eat and poop regardless; black, white, red, brown, yellow, green...them's be the seasick kind....so how could these people be a surprise? And, how could you be so cruel to expect to split up families? Has your family ever been under the threat of being split up. Could you treat these people as Jews were treated in Poland circa 1935? Is that you? Could you advocate treating others in that manner? Is that how Americans behave? Is that how you want the world to see America and the values for which it stands?
 @Icarus  @WARevolution This is nothing new.  We have been using immigrants both legal and illegal as cheep labor since people started coming to the americas.
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In the Pacific Northwest we used to have fish canneries out in the sound and up and down the coast. Â The owners of the fish canneries would hire the japanese to work there. Â Then when they got tired of the poor working conditions and the low pay they would start to organize. Â Then the owners would start to hire more Chinese workers, knowing that the japanese and chinese would not like it but they would stop thinking about how crappy they were being treated.
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I'll say this, there is a better solution and it lies in immigration reform that is based on reality and not what we want as reality. Â We need a system that lets people in legally and is a better alternative to illegal entry. Â
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I wouldn't break up a family. Â I really don't understand these people that only seethings in the terms of "law breakers" and "kick them out". Â I keep telling people it's not that simple. Â But the solution can be simple. Â I think some people need to get off their high horse and deal with reality.
 @WARevolution We as in OUR elected representatives changed our immigration policy by placing a cap on the total number of people who could immigrate.  There by creating a illegal immigration problem.  When you only allow 1/5th of the people who want to be citizen in then you are going to create a problem.  It's simple supply and demand. Â
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My children are not natural born citizens. Â My wife an I adopted them from China. Â We had to go through lots of immigration paperwork so that they could enter the country as citizens. Â
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I don't blame the children, I do blame the parents but I refuse to punish natural born citizens for the actions of their parents. Â The sins of the father should not be placed on the children.Â
 @Peace4all The parents did but the children did not.
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 @WARevolution I feel bad for anyone suffering.  I understand people who follow the law want others to do the same.  I also understand that I like most anyone else will do whatever I need to do so that my children have a better life.  That being said, I think we all know the reasons people come here.  However most do not know that we only allow about 980,000 per year in on immigration visa's.  They don't understand that a people will follow the law if they are given it as a viable option.  If you are not able to come here legally and your kids are starving, would you pack up and go home.  Or would you cross over and do what you need to do.  I know what I would do.
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If we open our system and allow more people in, then less would come her illegally. Â We could save billions on boarder patrol alone. Â Make it like ellis island again. Â Heck, more people equals more consumers. Â That boost will help our economy. Â It would be small at first but people have a strong survival skill. Â We band together. Â That's why we have Chinatown, little italy, Brighton' beach and so on. Â Whole communities of people with common national origins, language and customs. Â They get together and build.
 @DeadRabitz Yeah I know. I feel for anyone that is suffering to support their family, and the kids are victim here. I can't view one criminal action differently from another, so the parents are criminals no matter how you define it. If this 'mom' was really concerned about the law and her kids she would have cleared this up 10 years ago
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A lot of children in this country suffer because of their parent's criminal offenses. This story is just one example. Kids in this country fall victim to their parents criminality all the time here in the US. When I was a Iowa HP, I saw a lot of family suffering because of parent's criminal actions. I feel for them too, but law is law.
Why didn't she do the paperwork? Break the law pay the price..
With a country that is having a hard enough time taking care of its own citizens, why do we continue to allow immigrants(legal or illegal) to keep coming in in droves. Shut the borders down, and lets take care of American citizens first and then we can see where we stand. But this will likely never happen in this politically correct, if it doesn't feel good, don't do it nation.
 @16biffle16 All that will do is create an even bigger illegal problem for us to shell out billion to fix.  It would be better if we let more in.  We created this problem when we put a cap on the number of people the could come in legally.  If we let more people in they will add to our consumer base.  Since our economy is based on consumers this will create more business and thus ly more jobs in the long run.
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I doubt you will see the logic of this but at least I tried.
@DeadRabitz That is just speculation. I highly doubt the demand to enter the US would subside if more people are let in. If anything, the demand would grow with people thinking every one can get in. And as far as boosting the economy, a lot of immigrants come here and send most of their money back to wherever home is and collect government assistance.That is taking from the economy, not helping it.
 @16biffle16  @DeadRabitz First, I said nothing about cutting the demand for immigration, only responding to the demand in a way that makes sense.  Second, people who come here will have to spend money.  They will need essentials.  As their purchasing power rises they will spend more.  Third, you assume that people will simply come here to live off the government.  I disagree.  I believe and this comes for studying our own history, that people will strive for a higher level. Â
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The other thing to remember is that with reform in one area like immigration, we will need to reform others. Â This goes without saying. Â
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 @DeadRabitz  @16biffle16 So do they have welfare in mexico??
Because some might be coming here for the benefit....Â
 @cptmac11  @16biffle16 I thought someone would bring that up.  Let me ask you this.  Do we need to reform our welfare system?
This is yet just another mess our government has created over the years. Our "open door" policy just kind of put all of our immigration laws on the back burner. These children should only become American citizens if one or both of their parents are legal citizens of this country. There really is no good way to handle the mess our government has created up to this point. We need to get back to the old way of doing things before they created this mess we now have. If these immigrants want to become American citizens then they should put
in the time and work to do it legally.
 @Jatok Except we put a cap on the number of people that can emigrate.  The problem is that million more want to come here.  If you change the immigration system to respond to the demand for citizenship then the problems will be less. Â
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The criteria for immigrating to this country and becoming a citizen used to be a lot different than it is now. It used to be that serious background checks were done, people immigrating had to have a sponser (usually a church or organization) and they had to be able to speak the english language. When they came to this country it
was up to the church or organization to get them housed and help find them employment. That they were willing to come to America under those terms usually meant that we didn't have to furnish these people with everything needed to be here and our
schools weren't flooded with non speaking english. This out of control immigration is costing this country millions of dollars every year.
To many people are coming to this country with no jobs, no housing, and no community support. This translates into having to be taken care of by means of more welfare. This is the only country in the world that allows that. I don't have a problem with more people coming here, but we need to have something in place for these people to become self supporting because they can't become consumers if they don't have work and more tax dollars have to be used to support them. We have a record number of
American citizens right now that are without work so until we can get everyone back working it doesn't make sense to overload the system even further at this time.
 @Jatok Actually you just described exactly how it currently is.  Heck, my wife and I had to have very through back round checks to adopt.
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What I am talking about doing is more like what we did int he early days. Â Ellis Island type facilities that process people through quickly and easily.
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If we continue to respond with kick them out and increased boarder patrols will continue to cost us billions. Â OR we could welcome people in and create a larger consumer and tax base.
These are the consequences of her actions.She should have thought about this before she came to the US illegally.Fill out the paper work and wait your turn.No tears here.Â
"I am not a criminal... my children are Americans and they need me"  Hmmm. Last time I checked, doing something "illegal" = criminal status.
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You KNEW you were coming in to this country ILLEGALLY. You KNEW that there was a risk of being caught. So don't whine when it happens.
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I'm tired of seeing gazillion refugees coming through SeaTac/Tukwila (Port of Entry) and being given money (adults get $1200/mo for at least 2 years), food stamps, cell phone, housing, medical care, clothing while I'm busting my tail to stay emplyed, pay my taxes and bills and yet they continue to have this sense of entitlement.
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I love how the AP and all of the liberal media tell just enough of the story to politicize the content. This woman was told by HER ATTORNEY to return to her legal home so her husband could 'sponsor' her return. Her immigration application was TURNED DOWN so she paid a coyote $5000 to get her back across the border as an illegal AGAIN!
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You want me to feel sorry for a criminal, not.
It does not break my heart. Illegals violate our laws by coming illegally to begin with. Then they have kids as a ploy to stay in this country. Where I live, I see many females from south of our border with 5-8 kids only a year - 1 1/2 year apart and they don't even try to teach the kids English or fit in! Lets not forget the bust in multi-states - including WA - where the illegals were also members of cartels.
I know some who were brought here when they were young. Their mom worked to become legal, the kids - now adults - were taught English and how to become part of society. The oldest worked through high school to help support the family and to pay for help in becoming a citizen. He is now also a citizen. Does he retain his native language? Yep - but he also speaks very good English. I am so proud of him and his family.
The others who just want to take advantage - well ship them back.
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I seem to remember being savaged by the right wing liars here who refused to believe me when I cited the data.
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Yep, deportations of criminals here illegally are up 70% under Obama.
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 @caphillkid "Yep, deportations of criminals here illegally are up 70% under Obama"
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So being here illegally is not a criminal act? The Obama immigration platform is that only violent criminals need be deported. How hypocritical to have TWO definitions of 'criminal'.
@evolution. So compare that to what shrub was doing about illegal immigration.
 @caphillkid The only possible explanation is that facts have a "liberal bias."
The kids should be sent back with their parents not allowed live here on our tax payer dime. I say good for the US, you broke the law you deserve to be deported. Time to stop allowing these people to break the law. I say pick up all the illegals standing in line to get a free pass and deport them too.
 @Willie69 So we can deport you than right.  I mean since these kids are CITIZENS and you want to deport them why cant we deport you. Â
 @DeadRabitz  @Willie69 The KIDS SHOULD NOT BE CITIZENS if there parents aren't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 @Fiery Girl Your logic is impaired. If we based citizenship on whether or not the parents are 'legal' then many of us would be deemed illegal. There are many people in the US who have great great grandparents who came in the US through the back door.
 @Fiery Girl  @Willie69 It makes no sense that your nationality should be determined by where you are born. Â
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Let me ask you this. Â What planet do you live on?
 @Fiery GirlU.S. Constitution - Amendment 14 says anyone born within the boundaries of the US are natural citizens. I guess if one's parents are criminals, their kids should be charged by relation...... eh?
 @DeadRabitz  @Willie69 one more time for you then ...they law is stupid, it makes no f***ing sense. As the law SHOULD be that if your PARENTS ARE not legal then the kids shouldn't be.Â
 @Fiery Girl  @Willie69 What?  can you re-write that so it makes sense.
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 @DeadRabitz  @Willie69 NO it's not at all. Your parent aren't legal you shouldn't be. It's quite stupid really.
 @Fiery Girl  @Willie69 Sorry the law isn't written that way.  Citizenship is based on where you are born.  Kinda logical isn't it.
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@DeadRabitz @Willie69 The kids have a right to return when they are adults! Keep in mind these "citizens" are not taught english or to be a citizen. they are used to receive benefits.
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You post as if you are trying to state that kidnappings and beatings are good things to do.
 @WARevolution The senate passed a national language but it never went anywhere either.  Long ago, the government wanted to have an official language.  They voted on english by one vote.  the other language was german.  However the entire thing died as well.
 @DeadRabitz I remember President Clinton doing something with an official "workplace language" but I think it just kind of died away.
 @DeadRabitz  @raven  @Willie69 As was stated it's an unofficial official language then if you have to be sooooo up tight about it. It doesn't change the fact for a few 100 years 'they' BEAT & STOLE NATIVE Children until they only spoke ENGLISH!
 @Fiery Girl  @raven  @Willie69 Then you need to check again.  We have never had an official language. Â
 @DeadRabitz  @raven  @Willie69 Last time I check our language here has been ENGLISH....
....'they' BEAT & STOLE NATIVE Children for a long time when the 'they' took over the country because 'they' want to made sure that the LANGUAGE SPOKEN IN THIS COUNTRY WAS ENGLISH
@DeadRabitz You're right, its hasnt been made the official language by law with amendments etc. Upon further reading, it is just the unofficial official language.
 @16biffle16  @DeadRabitz Really, why don't you just show me where the president signed that one into law.  Till then we do not have an official language.
 @raven  @DeadRabitz  @Willie69 Actually they have the right to stay here because they are citizens, natural born citizens.  What language they are taught is immaterial, they are citizens by birth. Â
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BTW we don't have a national language.