Physicists say they have found 'God particle'

GENEVA (AP) - The search is all but over for a subatomic particle that is a crucial building block of the universe.
Physicists announced Thursday they believe they have discovered the subatomic particle predicted nearly a half-century ago, which will go a long way toward explaining what gives electrons and all matter in the universe size and shape.
The elusive particle, called a Higgs boson, was predicted in 1964 to help fill in our understanding of the creation of the universe, which many theorize occurred in a massive explosion known as the Big Bang. The particle was named for Peter Higgs, one of the physicists who proposed its existence, but it later became popularly known as the "God particle."
Last July, scientists at CERN, the Geneva-based European Organization for Nuclear Research, announced finding a particle they described as Higgs-like, but they stopped short of saying conclusively that it was the same particle or some version of it.
Scientists have now finished going through the entire set of data year and announced the results in a statement and at a physics conference in the Italian Alps.
"To me it is clear that we are dealing with a Higgs boson, though we still have a long way to go to know what kind of Higgs boson it is," said Joe Incandela, a physicist who heads one of the two main teams at CERN that each involve about 3,000 scientists.
Its existence helps confirm the theory that objects gain their size and shape when particles interact in an energy field with a key particle, the Higgs boson. The more they attract, the theory goes, the bigger their mass will be.
But, it remains an "open question," CERN said in a statement, whether this is the Higgs boson that was expected in the original formulation, or possibly the lightest of several predicted in some theories that go beyond that model.
But for now, it said, there can be little doubt that a Higgs boson does exist, in some form.
Whether or not it is a Higgs boson is demonstrated by how it interacts with other particles and its quantum properties, CERN said in the statement. The data "strongly indicates that it is a Higgs boson," it said.
The discovery would be a strong contender for the Nobel Prize, though it remains unclear whether that might go to Higgs and the others who first proposed the theory or to the thousands of scientists who found it, or to all of them.
The hunt for the Higgs entailed the use of CERN's atom smasher, the Large Hadron Collider, which cost some $10 billion to build and run in a 17-mile (27-kilometer) tunnel beneath the Swiss-French border.
It has been creating high-energy collisions to smash protons and then study the collisions and determine how subatomic particles acquire mass - without which the particles would fail to stick together.
Physicists announced Thursday they believe they have discovered the subatomic particle predicted nearly a half-century ago, which will go a long way toward explaining what gives electrons and all matter in the universe size and shape.
The elusive particle, called a Higgs boson, was predicted in 1964 to help fill in our understanding of the creation of the universe, which many theorize occurred in a massive explosion known as the Big Bang. The particle was named for Peter Higgs, one of the physicists who proposed its existence, but it later became popularly known as the "God particle."
Last July, scientists at CERN, the Geneva-based European Organization for Nuclear Research, announced finding a particle they described as Higgs-like, but they stopped short of saying conclusively that it was the same particle or some version of it.
Scientists have now finished going through the entire set of data year and announced the results in a statement and at a physics conference in the Italian Alps.
"To me it is clear that we are dealing with a Higgs boson, though we still have a long way to go to know what kind of Higgs boson it is," said Joe Incandela, a physicist who heads one of the two main teams at CERN that each involve about 3,000 scientists.
Its existence helps confirm the theory that objects gain their size and shape when particles interact in an energy field with a key particle, the Higgs boson. The more they attract, the theory goes, the bigger their mass will be.
But, it remains an "open question," CERN said in a statement, whether this is the Higgs boson that was expected in the original formulation, or possibly the lightest of several predicted in some theories that go beyond that model.
But for now, it said, there can be little doubt that a Higgs boson does exist, in some form.
Whether or not it is a Higgs boson is demonstrated by how it interacts with other particles and its quantum properties, CERN said in the statement. The data "strongly indicates that it is a Higgs boson," it said.
The discovery would be a strong contender for the Nobel Prize, though it remains unclear whether that might go to Higgs and the others who first proposed the theory or to the thousands of scientists who found it, or to all of them.
The hunt for the Higgs entailed the use of CERN's atom smasher, the Large Hadron Collider, which cost some $10 billion to build and run in a 17-mile (27-kilometer) tunnel beneath the Swiss-French border.
It has been creating high-energy collisions to smash protons and then study the collisions and determine how subatomic particles acquire mass - without which the particles would fail to stick together.
The God vs science has started, O.K. so here is the old joke. A scientist goes to God and says "we don't need you anymore, we can create life now". God replies "Show me, take a handful of dirt and create life". The scientist reaches down and picks up a handful of dirt". God says, "no, no, no, get your own dirt".
This is exciting stuff, even if 99.9% of us don't really understand. The whole idea of Higgs boson was far-fetched, and to see evidence mounting in its favor shows just how smart some people are. But whose beyond-moronic idea was it to call it the 'god particle'?
@MVDad
"The Higgs is better known by its flashy name the God Particle. Itâs called the God Particle, says physicist, Leon Lederman, in his book of the same title, because we couldnât call it the Goddamn particle. Itâs been that frustrating to find."
At a micro second after the Big Bang, God looked at his particle and said it was good . . . . .
Religion says "God created the universe."
Science asks "How was did he do it?"
Not necessarily incompatible.
My 2 cents, your mileage may vary.
@RapierBill Â
Science has nothing to do with religion. Science is based on facts and data. The whole point of scientific discovery is to replace mythology with reality.  Â
@JB JB @RapierBill I believe in God. You say that Science has nothing to do with religion. But many scientists say that the more they learn in their field, the more they believe in God, or at the least a higher intelligence. The perfection of how our stars and planets sit for example. Such perfection rarely happens in nature, and happening billions and billions of times over and over shows intelligent design.Â
If there is no God, it begs to ask then, Why DID the particle explode and create what we see today? And who put that particle there/how did it get there in the first place? Before that bang, there was nothing. After, there was everything.Â
You can believe whatever you like, don't worry, I'm not going to pull bible quotes out. But nothing in this Universe exists by accident. To state that Mankind is himself the master of everything is ignorant. Not only that, but arrogant.Â
@PhunkyMunky "Such perfection rarely happens in nature, and happening billions and billions of times over and over" So which is it? Rarely or billions and billions?
"Why DID the particle explode and create what we see today?" It didn't, the God particle is not the origin of the big bang, it just causes objects to have mass - read the article.
@PhunkyMunky@JB JB@RapierBillÂ
Less than 0.15%% of scientists believe in creationism as found in a 1991 Gallup Poll:
"Taking into account those working in the relevant fields of earth and life sciences, there are about 480,000 scientists, but only about 700 believe in "creation-science" or consider it a valid theory (Robinson 1995). This means that less than 0.15 percent of relevant scientists believe in creationism. And that is just in the United States, which has more creationists than any other industrialized country. In other countries, the number of relevant scientists who accept creationism drops to less than one tenth of 1 percent."
@JB JB @RapierBill No, the point of Science is to better understand our natural world and the universe, to always question preconceived notions. If a person has religious views, this does not have to be counter-intuitive, there are many ways in which they can compliment each other. I am not a religious person myself, but I was raised in one, by a man who was a scientist and practiced critical thought, yet his faith was and still is very strong. I understand some people have no idea how you can possibly reconcile the two, but the reality is, if someone cannot not understand how that is, well honestly it doesnt matter if you understand since it is, after all, another's path to walk.
As far as replacing myth? Well, Troy was a myth...until it was discovered too. Who knows...maybe Atlantis is out there too?
@RapierBill LOL, I love it!!
@Susabelle @RapierBill Thank you.  :D
Cool, they found God.
Great, they discovered the God particle. $10 billion later, life goes on as it did $10 billion ago.
@northwestsurfer Honestly, I would prefer they spend the $10 billion on discovery than on wars...
You really have appreciate the fact that the universe can look in awe of itself, and then further pursue more understanding of its own creation.
Oh dear, more mystical nonsense from mathematicians pretending to be scientists. Â Simple standard physics more than answers the larger universal questions. Â Electrical/magnetic anyone?
@ETSubmariner So I guess Einstein wasted the second half of his life looking for the Grand Unified Theory. Pity you weren't around to straighten him out.
@ETSubmarinerÂ
You're right. Physics research was complete in the 1600's. We should have stopped then.
@ETSubmariner Since you have it all figured out, please reconcile quantum theory with general relativity. It would save the "mystics" some work.
Those Pastafarians were right, there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster.
@IslandAtheistÂ
The God Particle is really a spicy meatball!
Tolstoy who wrote the book "War and Peace" actually wanted to call it "War What is it good for", but the publisher decided against it.
@Release The Cracken Elaine? Is that you?
Straight Arrow, i bet you are that same person who says dinosuars did not exist because it does not make sense in the whole scheme of things for God creating everything and controling everything.
@BT7779 There are many religious people that also are scientists and scholars; some have expanded our view of the universe and our understanding of it. Science and the belief in a higher deity are not necessarily incompatible.
Straight arrow, So god which was human at one time created the universe millions upon millions of years ago huh???????????? That so makes more sense than any other theory. Not!!!!!!!
@BT7779Â God was never a man. Many people seem to miss this fact. Why would God pray to Himself?Â
@PhunkyMunky Ask Jesus
@BT7779Â Your posts are always so personal and angry. Wow, hope you figure out your issues.
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@al_wa Who does he play dice with? I might like to get into that game, sounds like fun...
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@al_wa @Susabelle Regardless, an admirable man. Fascinating really. I wonder if god would cheat at dice? Yatzee again???? Really?
@al_wa But apparently with black holes, god divided by zero.  Particle physicists are not much more than mathematicians playing at science.  They ought to stop.  Standard, basic physics is more than enough to answer how things work, and does so quite nicely.
@ETSubmariner @al_wa That is so amazingly, mind-numbingly wrong that I can't let it go. The particles and interactions that taken place at the atomic level, not to mention the sub-atomic and sub-sub-atomic levels, are not covered by 'standard basic physics'. Don't even bother with Higgs boson, just try explaining the motion of an electron. Can't do it. This is crazy, crazy stuff, a long ways from an apple falling from a tree. But it's real.
@ETSubmariner
I am sure that âStandard, basic physics isâ way more than enough for you and your extremely limited requirements. Others obviously have larger aspirations.
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Cool. Â Physics is the key to our future.
OK, church folks. Get over yourselves and just accept this for what it is: a discovery (or affirmation) in the science of Physics. It's not an overthrow of God, and it's no sort of attack on your belief system.
@factchekr ROFL
@factchekr ...says the scientist folk. ;-)
@A Believer @factchekr I am a God fearing man myself. Despite all the cruelty and inhumane behavior I have witnessed towards other humans I still believe in a GOD.Â
God and science can co exist. In fact the Vatican has its own staff of scientists working, some of them even work for CERN.Â
As humans we can understand science. I don't think we will ever fully grasp what God is and I feel it was designed that way.Â
I take comfort in the teachings of the Bible, but it is not my life. The Bible is man's interpretation of what God is. I have strong doubts that the Bible, while good intentioned is not a true portrayal of what happens in the afterlife.
To ignore science is as ignorant as those who choose to ignore God. God and science can coexist. Why else were we given this ability of advanced thought if not to explore our own world?Â
@seattleemt @A Believer @factchekr The Bible is many things. A solid scriptural manual it is not. Humans have had their hands all over that books since it's inception, and man is flawed, so therefore the Bible is, too, flawed. It in no way contains all of the scriptures. Even Catholics would admit this, as it is THEY who created a "Bible" in the first place. Taking out books THEY deemed unfit for their scriptures. Then there's all those hand written translations and copies, and after that King James got hold of it. It is imperfect. But it is also history (Many historical and previously "totally fictitious" places and events in the Bible have been proven) , it is religion, it is a guide to a good way to live your life while staying out of trouble.... Quite a few things. Â
I guess you feel very threatened by this, then!
@A Believer Is this what you think? that the existence of this "god particle" would disprove the existence of your god? Or that is what they are trying to prove? Please get over yourself, this is about understanding the creation of matter, that does not necessary exclude religious doctrine but further enriches our understanding of the grandness of the universe and the pure complexity of life.
@A Believer Simply because you cannot prove a negative.  So feel free to wallow in your ignorance.
@factchekr Your scientific theory is unproven. The real truth is I'm afraid of the media.
Scientists can try to figure out anything, and they do make great discoveries. But, unfortunately it's the media who translates those discoveries for 99%% of the people out there. What they call something becomes the iron-clad belief of the masses. The media will describe it how they want it to mean to the public, and it will work for the great many. Both scientists and the Faithful alike should fear the media in these days.
I don't fear science. I have complete Faith that science will never disprove the existence of a single God of the universe.
This is really just a misnomer, and a high-priced not-so-veiled attempt to find a "there is no God" particle. It's no wonder the media covers it like it is the most important discovery in all human history.
@A Believer Name nonwithstanding, this IS a very huge discovery. The higgs bosun was the last piece needed to prove the standard model of physics works. As far as our understanding of the mechanics of the universe, this is important.
There is a God and He made all the particles. Lets give Him credit for more than just this one ;)
@Straight Arrow How do you know? Have to seen him in person?
@DoctorPC @Straight Arrow We all believe in things we haven't seen... You can't see the wind, you only see the effect it has on things and you can feel it.
I choose to believe.
@Necrobio@Straight Arrow@DoctorPC
In a 1950 letter to M. Berkowitz, Einstein stated that "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."Â
@Straight Arrow@DoctorPCThis is a better parable:
"The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations."
-Albert Einstein
@Straight Arrow @DoctorPC That's probably the most ignorant analogy ever.
The wind actually has evidence that it exists...god...does not.Â
@Straight Arrow He isn't be given credit for this one. "God particle" is short for "Goddamn Particle" because the scientists looking for it were getting frustrated because they "couldn't find the goddamn thing" but their publisher wouldn't let them call it that so they shortened it to "God particle"
Source:Â http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jun/30/higgs.boson.cern
@PuyallupCoug @Straight Arrow That's ok. I'm giving him credit.