Republicans hammer State witnesses on Libya attack

WASHINGTON (AP) - Four weeks before the election, Republicans used a politically charged House hearing to confront State Department officials about security at the U.S. consulate in Libya and assail the Obama administration's early response to the killing of the ambassador and three other Americans there.
GOP lawmakers refused to accept the department's explanation Wednesday that protection judged adequate for the threat was overwhelmed by an unprecedented assault in Benghazi on the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
They also rejected Under Secretary of State Patrick Kennedy's explanation that officials were relying on the best intelligence available in characterizing the attack afterward as stemming from a protest over an anti-Islam Internet video rather than a deliberate, planned act of terrorism.
A top State official acknowledged she had declined to approve more U.S. security as violence in Benghazi spiked, saying the department wanted to train Libyans to protect the consulate.
"I made the best decisions I could with the information I had," said Charlene R. Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary for diplomatic security.
Regardless of allegations of blame, there is no dispute over the tragic result. U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans - including two former Navy SEALs - were killed in what administration officials now describe as an act of terrorism.
In statements immediately after the attack, neither President Barack Obama nor Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton mentioned terrorism. And both gave credence to the notion that the attack was related to protests about the privately made anti-Islam video.
"Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet," Clinton said on the night of the attack. "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind."
Five days later, U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice said her best information at the time was that the attack stemmed from a protest that became violent.
White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters Wednesday that in hindsight "there is no question that the security was not enough to prevent that tragedy from happening. There were four Americans killed."
Democrats on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee tried to blame Republicans for cutting more than $300 million in diplomatic security funds worldwide.
"The fact is that, since 2011, the House has cut embassy security by hundreds of millions of dollars below the amounts requested by the president," said Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings, the committee's senior Democrat.
Lamb, the official in charge of protecting U.S. embassies and consulates, told the committee, "We had the correct number of assets in Benghazi at the time of 9/11."
Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., asked Lamb if she turned down requests for more security in Benghazi.
"Yes sir, I said personally I would not support it," she replied. "We were training local Libyans and army men" to provide security, a policy in force at U.S. diplomatic facilities around the world.
Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., retorted there was "as much as 30 percent turnover in the people you were training."
Eric Nordstrom, who was the top security official in Libya earlier this year, testified he was criticized for seeking more security. "There was no plan and it was hoped it would get better," he said.
Nordstrom told the committee that conversations he had with people in Washington led him to believe that it was "abundantly clear we were not going to get resources until the aftermath of an incident. How thin does the ice have to get before someone falls through?"
He said he was so exasperated at one point he told a colleague that "for me the Taliban is on the inside of the building."
Lt. Col. Andrew Wood, who headed a 16-member military force in Libya, disputed State Department officials who said the special operations troops were replaced by people with the same skill sets.
The skills of his troops were "way above the skill level of local (forces) armed with a pistol," Wood said, adding he was he was frustrated that pleas for more security were not met.
"We were fighting a losing battle, we weren't even allowed to keep what we had," he testified.
Nordstrom acknowledged in response to a question from Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, that while the State Department was refusing more security, his and others' pay was increased because he was serving in such a dangerous area.
Kennedy defended Rice for her comments indicating the attack was a protest gone awry.
"If any administration official, including any career official, were on television on Sunday, Sept. 16, they would have said what Ambassador Rice said," he said. "The information she had at that point from the intelligence community is the same that I had at that point. As time went on, additional information became available. Clearly, we know more today than we did on the Sunday after the attack."
Kennedy, a four-decade veteran of the Foreign Service, said the department uses the best information from people on the ground at diplomatic posts around the world as well as experts in Washington in assessing risk and allocating security resources.
"The assault that occurred on the evening of Sept. 11, however, was an unprecedented attack by dozens of heavily armed men," he said.
Meanwhile, Obama's chief counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan, met Wednesday with Libyan President Mohamed Magariaf and other officials in Tripoli on ways Libya can better help the U.S. track down those responsible for the deaths at the consulate.
GOP lawmakers refused to accept the department's explanation Wednesday that protection judged adequate for the threat was overwhelmed by an unprecedented assault in Benghazi on the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
They also rejected Under Secretary of State Patrick Kennedy's explanation that officials were relying on the best intelligence available in characterizing the attack afterward as stemming from a protest over an anti-Islam Internet video rather than a deliberate, planned act of terrorism.
A top State official acknowledged she had declined to approve more U.S. security as violence in Benghazi spiked, saying the department wanted to train Libyans to protect the consulate.
"I made the best decisions I could with the information I had," said Charlene R. Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary for diplomatic security.
Regardless of allegations of blame, there is no dispute over the tragic result. U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans - including two former Navy SEALs - were killed in what administration officials now describe as an act of terrorism.
In statements immediately after the attack, neither President Barack Obama nor Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton mentioned terrorism. And both gave credence to the notion that the attack was related to protests about the privately made anti-Islam video.
"Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet," Clinton said on the night of the attack. "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind."
Five days later, U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice said her best information at the time was that the attack stemmed from a protest that became violent.
White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters Wednesday that in hindsight "there is no question that the security was not enough to prevent that tragedy from happening. There were four Americans killed."
Democrats on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee tried to blame Republicans for cutting more than $300 million in diplomatic security funds worldwide.
"The fact is that, since 2011, the House has cut embassy security by hundreds of millions of dollars below the amounts requested by the president," said Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings, the committee's senior Democrat.
Lamb, the official in charge of protecting U.S. embassies and consulates, told the committee, "We had the correct number of assets in Benghazi at the time of 9/11."
Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., asked Lamb if she turned down requests for more security in Benghazi.
"Yes sir, I said personally I would not support it," she replied. "We were training local Libyans and army men" to provide security, a policy in force at U.S. diplomatic facilities around the world.
Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., retorted there was "as much as 30 percent turnover in the people you were training."
Eric Nordstrom, who was the top security official in Libya earlier this year, testified he was criticized for seeking more security. "There was no plan and it was hoped it would get better," he said.
Nordstrom told the committee that conversations he had with people in Washington led him to believe that it was "abundantly clear we were not going to get resources until the aftermath of an incident. How thin does the ice have to get before someone falls through?"
He said he was so exasperated at one point he told a colleague that "for me the Taliban is on the inside of the building."
Lt. Col. Andrew Wood, who headed a 16-member military force in Libya, disputed State Department officials who said the special operations troops were replaced by people with the same skill sets.
The skills of his troops were "way above the skill level of local (forces) armed with a pistol," Wood said, adding he was he was frustrated that pleas for more security were not met.
"We were fighting a losing battle, we weren't even allowed to keep what we had," he testified.
Nordstrom acknowledged in response to a question from Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, that while the State Department was refusing more security, his and others' pay was increased because he was serving in such a dangerous area.
Kennedy defended Rice for her comments indicating the attack was a protest gone awry.
"If any administration official, including any career official, were on television on Sunday, Sept. 16, they would have said what Ambassador Rice said," he said. "The information she had at that point from the intelligence community is the same that I had at that point. As time went on, additional information became available. Clearly, we know more today than we did on the Sunday after the attack."
Kennedy, a four-decade veteran of the Foreign Service, said the department uses the best information from people on the ground at diplomatic posts around the world as well as experts in Washington in assessing risk and allocating security resources.
"The assault that occurred on the evening of Sept. 11, however, was an unprecedented attack by dozens of heavily armed men," he said.
Meanwhile, Obama's chief counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan, met Wednesday with Libyan President Mohamed Magariaf and other officials in Tripoli on ways Libya can better help the U.S. track down those responsible for the deaths at the consulate.
looks like the work of those slimy bastards, the israelis...
Our Teflon president is running out of Teflon!! Fast and Furious, now this MAJOR COVERUP and VOTER FRAUD still is happening BUT the Main Stream Media (Obama lackeys)will not report it!
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So much killing from the president who hates those that cling to their guns and Bibles....
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Using the deaths of people for political gain. Awesome.
I refuse to believe that the Islamists hate us . Obama  gave a speech and that should be that... and really... isn't he...so... magnificent? Why, the way he juts his jaw out, you know, like that 1930's Italian guy... I forget his name. Anyway, we all know that the entire world is simply in awe of the power that (sigh) emanates from his being. Future generations will sing his praises and wonder how in the world could we not elect him a second time.  Thank goodness officials of this administration our committing career harakiri  by taking responsibility left and right for this tragedy and its cover-up. I wonder how the State Department can actually function what with all those resignations.Â
Cry me a river Neocons. you're j to blame for this for not keeping American safe from George W. Bush the house and senate under his administration. And the republican friendly media that never ever dared question you! President Obama has kept this country and it's interest around the world as safe as possible, despite the best efforts of the Neocons to bring his administration down. even if that means bring down the country ..
 @Steve Giovanis Ivy League pontification by a community organizer is not keeping America safe. BUT for some reason Stevie you have this false sense of security...
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Are you saying you'd have no problem trading places with the murdered Ambassador or any of his former Navy Seal colleagues..?? You Obamaites are sicker than I thought then if that is the case or if you see nothing wrong with what happened.Â
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We must be the laughing stock of the "free" world when the most powerful man on earth the President of the United States of America blames these terrorist attacks and subsequent deaths of more innocent citizens on some lunatics You Tube Video...
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IMPEACH OBAMA!!! Send Hillary Clinton, Rice and Lamb need to go to prison for WAR CRIMES!!! Isn't; that what you lefties always screamed about GW and Chaney...? And OBAMA has spent 2X more that Bush ever spent on WARS!!!
 @Steve Giovanis HI Steve! Your post just won the daily"Most Egregious Mangling of The English Language-Comment Division" award! Congratulations!. Please keep up the good work.
Wow....."SHOW TIME" for the Republican party now !
What an absolute cluster flub.... Nobody wants to take any friggin' responsibility... America knows full well this was Obama's Administrations responsibility....
 @Funky-Munky You mean where Obama's State Dept asked and was denied by a Republican Congress a 1/2 billion dollars to upgrade security for embassies?
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 @unobtanium I realize the money was cut... My anger stems from him knowing full well the ambassador was in danger, had minimal protection and finally failed to secure our asset. Remember he knew full well Libya was going to be unstable for awhile.
@Funky-Munky Absolutely true. The sad thing is that a large number of people will still vote to return these clowns to office even knowing they're responsible. Probably about 47%
 @markus49 oh look..... a "talking point"Â
I feel terrible for the families of the victims. Not only were they betrayed by their own government's lack of support, but now they have to listen to all the B.S. from the cover-up machine.
 @acepaul no you don't feel terrible. You, like many republicans, are happy at anything you can possibly blame on Obama.Â
You, like many republicans are sick in your desire to see people die to score possible political points.Â
And you can act all outrages at this comment, but this is your candidate:
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 @T H I S And who are you to say how I feel? American people DIED!!! This is not some debate to score political points. Very poor taste on your part to assign motive to me.
 @acepaul its even more poor taste for you and many other conservatives to act all outraged for being called out on being giddy over a tragedy.Â
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Just stand up and admit that you only like american if someone like you is president.
Republicans Darrell Issa and Jason Chaffetz both voted to cut funding for embassy security. The blame for Ambassador Stevens' death could just as easily be laid on them as anyone else. But since they're on the committee supposedly investigating the incident, I suppose everyone has politely agreed to forget about their role in the matter.
 @Sutekh Since the government is an expert on going over-budget and spending money they don't have, this sad excuse has very little merit. Just a political defense move to deflect justified criticism of a very mishandled and lied about situation.
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First, Obama gets no credit for getting Bin Laden
Then Obama gets the blame for the Libya attack even though it was the republicans who insisted on cutting funding for security.
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Are you familiar with cognative dissoance? What about hypocricy?Â
 @T H I S First of all it is "cognitive dissonance". You might want to use your spell check. And yes, I am familiar with it since I have read many of your posts. The same can be said of hypocrisy (again, check spelling). I am more than willing to credit Obama with making the final determination to take out Osama. But are you willing to credit the efforts of his predecessor and the intelligence community and their methods for largely contributing to this success?
 @acepaul Seems like you're the one making excuses.
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Voting to cut funding for a federal agency and then blaming the agency when it doesn't have enough funding to do its job? Right out of the Republican playbook.
 @Sutekh Show me that the budget was a factor in original decision making and perhaps you might have a point. Of course doing that after the fact will be practically impossible since the coverup and blame game is in full gear. Disgusting.
Seems like we can trust nothing that comes out of the White House. They've lied about 'fast and furious', 9/11-Lybia, Security / sensitive data leaks. It just goes on and on.
and you will still vote for..... ahm.... this guy, right?
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Yes I would. I don't know if all his number are obtainable of not. What I do know is that Obama has put this country so far in debt that our children's children may not be able to climb out of it. $186,000 for every man, woman and child in federal debt right now. That is not to mention state debt.
 @Magic 8 Ball Can you provide a specific list of all the spending caused by Obama that put us in Debt?Â
Oh wait, you can not.
 @Magic 8 Ball It happens in every Administration.... Bush, Clinton, Obama etc. people really need to consider that our government is based on a system of lies.... I loathe the government, but I love the idea of it. Love and hate relationship between us...
Wasn't the movie.....did anybody call the producer to testify?