Romney: Never paid less than 13 percent in taxes

GREER, S.C. (AP) — Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney declared Thursday he has paid at least 13 percent of his income in federal taxes every year for the past decade, offering that new detail while still decrying a "small-minded" fascination over returns he will not release. President Barack Obama's campaign shot back in doubt: "Prove it."
Campaigning separately, Romney and running mate Paul Ryan also scrambled to explain their views on overhauling Medicare, the health care program relied on by millions of seniors.
Romney, the former company CEO, set up a whiteboard to make his case with a marker, while lawmaker Ryan resorted to congressional process language to explain why his budget plan includes the same $700 billion Medicare cut that he and Romney are assailing Obama for endorsing.
Essentially, Ryan said, he had to do it because Obama did it first.
Politically, both topics tie into major elements of the presidential race less than three months before the election: how well the candidates relate to the daily concerns and to the life circumstances of typical voters. Democrats are using the tax issue to raise doubts about Romney's trustworthiness — or, as Republicans contend, to distract from a weak economic recovery under Obama.
Romney's comments in South Carolina — at a news conference designed to focus on Medicare — showed that he remains sensitive to criticism of his tax payments but still is determined to release no more than two years of records despite contrary advice from some prominent Republicans.
The Obama campaign has aired an ad that, without evidence, raises the prospect that Romney paid no taxes some years. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., elevated that suggestion by claiming, also without proof, that an anonymous source told him Romney had not paid taxes for 10 years.
"I did go back and look at my taxes and over the past 10 years I never paid less than 13 percent," Romney told reporters after he landed in South Carolina for a fundraising event. "I think the most recent year is 13.6 or something like that. So I paid taxes every single year."
Aides later said Romney meant to say 13.9 percent, the amount he already disclosed for his 2010 federal return.
On average, middle income families, those making from $50,000 to $75,000 a year, pay 12.8 percent of their income in federal taxes, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. In 2010 and 2011, Romney made about $21 million a year.
Romney is able to keep his tax rate low because most of his income is from investments, which are generally taxed at a lower rate than wages. That type of legal tax figuring is something Obama has proposed changing, although his campaign notably said nothing about Romney's self-described tax rate itself.
Instead, the campaign targeted only Romney's truthfulness, refusing to accept his answer and pressuring him to release years of earlier tax returns.
"Prove it," said Obama spokeswoman Lis Smith. "Given Mitt Romney's secrecy about his returns, coupled with the revelations in just the one return we have seen to date and the inconsistencies between this one return and his other financial disclosures, he has forfeited the right to have us take him just at his word."
Reid's office said much the same. Romney demanded that Reid "put up" the name of his anonymous source.
"Given the challenges that America faces — 23 million people out of work, Iran about to become nuclear, one out of six Americans in poverty — the fascination with taxes I've paid I find to be very small-minded," Romney said.
Obama and Vice President Joe Biden have released their returns for the years since 2000. The Obamas paid 20.5 percent in federal income taxes in 2011.
Ryan, meanwhile, found himself doing his own explaining.
He and Romney have launched a new strategy this week of criticizing Obama for taking more than $700 billion in Medicare funds to help pay for his health care overhaul. Yet those same cuts are in a House Republican budget blueprint authored by Ryan.
A reporter pressed him on the issue during a stop at a hot dog restaurant in Warren, Ohio.
His explanation was that the Medicare cuts were part of the existing baseline budget, including the Obama health care law he opposes.
"It gets a little wonky, but it was already in the baseline," Ryan said. "We would never have done it in the first place."
Romney hadn't scheduled any public events but put together a last-minute news conference to explain the differences between his Medicare plan and Obama's.
"Which of these two do you think is better?" Romney asked as he stood under a glaring sun at an airport.
Romney says Obama has cut $716 billion from the Medicare trust fund to pay for his national health care overhaul, weakening the program. Those cuts, mostly from health providers and insurance plans instead of directly from beneficiaries, would decrease the cost of the entitlement program over time and extend the life of the trust fund.
Ryan's budget would make those same cuts, though he would use the savings differently.
Romney — and Ryan, since joining the ticket — insist the cuts must be restored. That could make Medicare go bankrupt more quickly. But Romney says other parts of his plan, including giving fewer benefits to wealthier retirees, would keep Medicare solvent in the long term.
Independent groups say he has not supplied enough details to determine whether he would significantly shore up Medicare in years to come.
Democratic strategists and party officials say that while they still expect the race to stay close through the fall, they sense a slight shift in Obama's favor over the past two weeks. However, they expect Romney to get a boost following his party's convention and say a dismal economic report right before the election could pull votes his way.
Obama spent the day in White House meetings save for a stop at Democratic National Committee headquarters. Romney is devoting most of this week, and much of next week, to raising money in non-competitive states including Alabama, South Carolina, Massachusetts, New York, Texas, Louisiana and New Mexico.
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Steve Peoples reported from Warren, Ohio. Associated Press writers Ben Feller, Stephen Ohlemacher, Kasie Hunt, Matthew Daly and Julie Pace contributed from Washington.
Campaigning separately, Romney and running mate Paul Ryan also scrambled to explain their views on overhauling Medicare, the health care program relied on by millions of seniors.
Romney, the former company CEO, set up a whiteboard to make his case with a marker, while lawmaker Ryan resorted to congressional process language to explain why his budget plan includes the same $700 billion Medicare cut that he and Romney are assailing Obama for endorsing.
Essentially, Ryan said, he had to do it because Obama did it first.
Politically, both topics tie into major elements of the presidential race less than three months before the election: how well the candidates relate to the daily concerns and to the life circumstances of typical voters. Democrats are using the tax issue to raise doubts about Romney's trustworthiness — or, as Republicans contend, to distract from a weak economic recovery under Obama.
Romney's comments in South Carolina — at a news conference designed to focus on Medicare — showed that he remains sensitive to criticism of his tax payments but still is determined to release no more than two years of records despite contrary advice from some prominent Republicans.
The Obama campaign has aired an ad that, without evidence, raises the prospect that Romney paid no taxes some years. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., elevated that suggestion by claiming, also without proof, that an anonymous source told him Romney had not paid taxes for 10 years.
"I did go back and look at my taxes and over the past 10 years I never paid less than 13 percent," Romney told reporters after he landed in South Carolina for a fundraising event. "I think the most recent year is 13.6 or something like that. So I paid taxes every single year."
Aides later said Romney meant to say 13.9 percent, the amount he already disclosed for his 2010 federal return.
On average, middle income families, those making from $50,000 to $75,000 a year, pay 12.8 percent of their income in federal taxes, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. In 2010 and 2011, Romney made about $21 million a year.
Romney is able to keep his tax rate low because most of his income is from investments, which are generally taxed at a lower rate than wages. That type of legal tax figuring is something Obama has proposed changing, although his campaign notably said nothing about Romney's self-described tax rate itself.
Instead, the campaign targeted only Romney's truthfulness, refusing to accept his answer and pressuring him to release years of earlier tax returns.
"Prove it," said Obama spokeswoman Lis Smith. "Given Mitt Romney's secrecy about his returns, coupled with the revelations in just the one return we have seen to date and the inconsistencies between this one return and his other financial disclosures, he has forfeited the right to have us take him just at his word."
Reid's office said much the same. Romney demanded that Reid "put up" the name of his anonymous source.
"Given the challenges that America faces — 23 million people out of work, Iran about to become nuclear, one out of six Americans in poverty — the fascination with taxes I've paid I find to be very small-minded," Romney said.
Obama and Vice President Joe Biden have released their returns for the years since 2000. The Obamas paid 20.5 percent in federal income taxes in 2011.
Ryan, meanwhile, found himself doing his own explaining.
He and Romney have launched a new strategy this week of criticizing Obama for taking more than $700 billion in Medicare funds to help pay for his health care overhaul. Yet those same cuts are in a House Republican budget blueprint authored by Ryan.
A reporter pressed him on the issue during a stop at a hot dog restaurant in Warren, Ohio.
His explanation was that the Medicare cuts were part of the existing baseline budget, including the Obama health care law he opposes.
"It gets a little wonky, but it was already in the baseline," Ryan said. "We would never have done it in the first place."
Romney hadn't scheduled any public events but put together a last-minute news conference to explain the differences between his Medicare plan and Obama's.
"Which of these two do you think is better?" Romney asked as he stood under a glaring sun at an airport.
Romney says Obama has cut $716 billion from the Medicare trust fund to pay for his national health care overhaul, weakening the program. Those cuts, mostly from health providers and insurance plans instead of directly from beneficiaries, would decrease the cost of the entitlement program over time and extend the life of the trust fund.
Ryan's budget would make those same cuts, though he would use the savings differently.
Romney — and Ryan, since joining the ticket — insist the cuts must be restored. That could make Medicare go bankrupt more quickly. But Romney says other parts of his plan, including giving fewer benefits to wealthier retirees, would keep Medicare solvent in the long term.
Independent groups say he has not supplied enough details to determine whether he would significantly shore up Medicare in years to come.
Democratic strategists and party officials say that while they still expect the race to stay close through the fall, they sense a slight shift in Obama's favor over the past two weeks. However, they expect Romney to get a boost following his party's convention and say a dismal economic report right before the election could pull votes his way.
Obama spent the day in White House meetings save for a stop at Democratic National Committee headquarters. Romney is devoting most of this week, and much of next week, to raising money in non-competitive states including Alabama, South Carolina, Massachusetts, New York, Texas, Louisiana and New Mexico.
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Steve Peoples reported from Warren, Ohio. Associated Press writers Ben Feller, Stephen Ohlemacher, Kasie Hunt, Matthew Daly and Julie Pace contributed from Washington.
If he wants to pay all his taxes to the Mormon Church, let him be the president of them
 @IslandAtheist Yeah, a modern forward thinking guy like MItt could help prod their theology and doctrines along, maybe even get them up to the mid-1600s.
Romney also claimed yesterday that he would repeal the cuts in Medicare payments to hospitals if elected. Ryan's budgets would keep those deficit cuttings cuts in place.
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The LA Times today has a nice article about the absurdity of Romney's plan:Â "Romney plans to add 716 billion to the deficit and nobody blinks."
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This article, and most of the articles out there on this are reporting something incorrectly.Â
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Romney said that he never paid less than 13% in taxes. He did not say that he never paid less than 13% in federal income tax.Â
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There is no way that he paid income tax in 2009, no way. Like most investors, we lost so much money and wrote off so much loss, that it's almost impossible that he paid even 13% in federal income tax.
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You add in state income tax, sales tax, and all kinds of stuff and it is easy to claim a number. But the devil is in the details and the mainstream media has shown their ineptitude once again by not parsing the words that he actually spoke.Â
Romney should agree to release his tax returns just as soon as Obama agrees to release his records and Geitner, Daschle, and Rangel are prosecuted for tax evasion.
Romney should counter with the proposal "If I release my tax info and it proves I paid the appropriate taxes Obama must immediately resign from the presidency"Â I bet Obama would immediately shut up.
@dog, typical..craziness
 @timdog Or Romney could try to be half the man his father was.
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 @timdog Or instead, Obama could simply refuse Romney's offer and say "No thanks, I will just keep hammering on the fact that you haven't released as many tax returns as I have (or as your own father did) which is a pretty good indication that you have something to hide".You guys are really pretty twisted on this. Romney doesn't need to show his returns to Obama, he needs to show them to the American people.Â
 @kennewickman why are you so worried about what mitt is doing or has done with his money, but your not worried about what obama has doing with our money?
 @takingamericaback Really, can't figure that our for yourself? This isn't String Theory.Â
They're making a big deal about Romney's taxes but know one seems to care that the head of the IRS was a tax evader until he was appointed to the joib. I guess you only have to obey the laws if you're a Republican.
I don't know, how can we not trust that face? After all, this is WILLARD we are talking about!
 @OrcasThunder we knew nothing about obama when he was running for president yet it did not matter.
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 @takingamericaback "we knew nothing about obama"
Then you weren't awake.
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There was a lot of information - ranging from absolute truth to irrational lies and myths. We know, for instance, that when he released his 2000-2006 tax returns, the biggest problem some had was that he was criticized for "slightly-less-than-biblically-required" charitable giving.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/15/obama-tax-returns-for-200_n_187420.html
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Given his claim of tithing, Willard really should show us the returns.
o @kennewickman No kidding - they were digging so deep into his history that some risked finding oil...in China!
 @OrcasThunder re: "Then you weren't awake"
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Either that or not sentient. Maybe it was both.
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Willard is a solid American name I mean remember back when you were in school and Willard the 3rd would push Montgomery the 4th off the swing set. What a rascal!
 @ducati Wasn't WILLARD also the name of a large rat?
The older I get the more I'm sure my Dad was right (he came from the Great Depression and WWII) - the American President is just a puppet for the people behind the scenes in Washington, DC who really run this country. The President is just a whipping boy. Who cares which one of these goons gets elected? All they do up there on the Hill is have their endless pissing contests while they get richer and we honestly still believe any of them care about the working person? Neither one of them knows a damn thing about working class citizens nor do they give a rats ass.
 @Elaine2 While I share some of your sentiment, I think some of our presidents do make a difference that can impact an individuals life. I remember when Clinton signed the Family Medical and Leave Act which launched new rights for the worker to take care of sick family members without the fear of losing a job. I personally benefitted from that when my daughter went through a bone marrow transplant. Had it been a couple of years earlier, I don't know what I would have been able to do to take care of a daughter and keep the job that provided the needed medical insurance that paid for the transplant. Not all presidents would have signed that. Current Republicans sure wouldn't sign it.Â
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As well, the new Affordable Health Care Act is preventing insurance companies from excluding pre-existing conditions. There are an untold number of people out there right now who now have better lives due to their new access to insurance. Obama signed this. Romney would never have signed it. Most of the time you are right, we argue about things that may never impact us personally. Sometimes they do and that is why the person you choose to vote for is important. Â
Yes, those 2 facts you mention are true - but it took a lot of hard work at the grass roots level for decades to even get these signed. The President himself does not work to get this done - he may or may not mention it but anything that helps people starts from the people themselves. I am glad you could take care of your daughter by the way! I've lost jobs from having to take care of my Mom when she went through 2 cancers (survived them both) and also when my Dad had to see the doctors from time to time. That all happened before that law came into effect, so yes, that is a good law.
 @kennewickman I totally agree with Elaine & the only things that get passed are the ones the puppet masters approve.Â
I'd be HAPPY to only pay 13%. The Federal "crooks," between Fed, S.S.I......etc are getting about 30-35% of what I make. GOD only want's 10%.......who do these idiots think THEY are? Yep......time for an overhaul. From the bottom UP, or vice versa.
 @LoudNoises Romney's 13% > Your 35%.
 @Wabbit  The difference is, I bet the 65% that Loudnoise keeps gets 100% spent on the economy while the majority of Romney's money ends up in foreign bank accounts and does not go back into the economy
 @Wabbit Maybe if he wasn't paying three times the tax rate of Romney he could afford to.
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 @T H I S @LoudNoises should really save a bit more of his money. Spending 100% of your paycheck is a good way to get into trouble fast!
And why do I not believe him? I should simply take his word for it? Yeah ... fat chance.
 @Ben Ezzell The Romney camp probably realizes that the people who actually care are folks who would't have voted for him anyway. He never had your vote anyway. The fact that you seem to care so much shows it.
Mid-August and the wheels are already falling off the Mittenmobile. Not a good sign for those desperate enough to support this empty suit and his sidekick Ryan.
 @ferryguy LOL!!! If ANYONE'S wheels are falling off, it's the BO bus! So many had such great hopes & he hasn't got a shred of a single thing to run on so he resorts to dirty Chicago thuggery. Thanks for the laugh :o)
If he really paid 13% then release the income tax statements. Otherwise its just more nonsense from someone who wears magic underwear. Its not that important anyways. We know he is anti american from the company he built, Bain Capital. He destroyed american companies and sent the jobs overseas. Thats  the way of capitalism. Its profits at all costs with no morality at all. We know he leans liberal because of romneycare. We know he's a war hawk. Obviiously he's just another Obama clone who was just a Bush clone and on down the line.
 @Blindman Nobody who would vote for him really cares. The only people who care are people who wouldn't be voting for him anyway. It's the same with the Birthers, or people claiming that Obama is a Muslim. You're no better than them.
 @Blindman Warhawk, no. Chickenhawk, yes.Â
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Here is a link to a photo and article of Mitt protesting those who were protesting the Viet Nam war. He was real brave hiding behind his deferment as a Mormon missionary to France. Hard to love a guy who says "It is awful that you don't want to go to Viet Nam. I would go myself but I gotta go to France".
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083002/Mitt-Romney-19-demonstrated-favour-Vietnam-War-draft.html
I believe Mitt about his tax returns. I really do. The only thing is that my neighbor doesn't trust Mitt and thinks Mitt has maybe skipped out on some taxes he really owed. If only there was some source material that could be posted to the internet that I could go to and show my neighbor that Mitt is telling the truth. I am sure that Mitt is on the up-and-up but my neighbor is one of these "prove it" kind of guys.Â
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 @ein_verit Of course, there is the average everyday class of idiots but there is also that other class of idiots so bereft of useful knowledge that they aren't even aware of the IRS' "Offshore Voluntary Disclosure Program" which has been used by thousands of Americans to repatriate monies and avoid felony tax evasion charges.
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The weirdest thing about this is that a simple-minded individual just might think that the IRS scours the planet and hunts down every single scofflaw but the truth is more mundane than that. To get each and everyone of these people would truly be beyond the resources of the IRS and thus such a program was implemented. And used my thousands as I said.
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So, in spite of your rather histrionic claims that Obama and Clinton are rounding up tax evaders in the middle of the night like a couple of crazed vigilante possum hunters, the real world facts pretty much say that the aforementioned possum seems to have a better handle on reality than someone claiming "BJ Clinton" and "Odumbo" are using the IRS like a hammer in these cases.Â
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I doubt there will be any real "wrong doing" found, other than maybe is Tithing is not up to par.
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But Romney is the posterboy for what is wrong with trickle down economics. I think his tax returns would only reinforce that to a whole new level.Â
So it is not that he is doing anything wrong, but his returns will show exactly why we are a nation are pursuing the wrong course with our tax policy.
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This is why both he and his wife have gone on record as saying "we have done nothing illegal, but if we reveal our taxes, the Democrats will use them against us."
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@SeattleJoe Perhaps, but they would have to know about the accounts and the generated income off them. Foreign banks are not going to report this info to the IRS and that is the issue. Americans are legally required to pay taxes on earnings generated overseas. They are required to report it each year but many do not because there is no built in mechanism to force their hand. They get in a jam when they want to repatriate their money. They then end up going to the IRS to cut a deal and pay a penalty. Even if the IRS was targeting anyone, they would have none of the info. Finally, the risk of using the IRS as political muscle against a likely contender would be pretty high even if you could get the IRS to join in. If this power is so easily deployed, Obama should have taken out Romney and the other credible candidates and left only Bachmann or Santorum standing.
 @kennewickman "The weirdest thing about this is that a simple-minded individual just might think that the IRS scours the planet and hunts down every single scofflaw but the truth is more mundane than that."  This may be true for the average Joe but Romney has a bullseye the size of Texas on his back and the IRS would come after him in a second if they could. Romney must be doing everything on the up and up or they would have his genitals in a wringer.
 @kennewickman Or he could be withholding the returns with the intent of forcing Obama's camp to demand them so that when he finally reveals them (& proves he was telling the truth all along), he gets voters angry with Obama. In fact, I believe he will reveal them right before the election, just in time for those voters to react at the polls.Â
 @Shelly Dream on, Shelly. Mitt isn't that clever, first of all. And secondly, you forget that all through the primaries his Republican rivals were asking to see his returns and he said no then, too. Have you ever asked yourself why, after seeing 20 years of Mitt's tax returns, John McCain declined to pick him as his running mate? Instead, he chose Sarah Palin! It has to make you wonder what he saw in those returns that made Romney untouchable.
@ferryguy Honestly, I don't follow politics, it was just a random speculation.Â
 @Shelly I like the idea in terms of gamesmanship but I think the danger with that idea is that it is too easily countered. If Mitt is behind in the polls, and I think he will be, he will look desperate and the Obama campaign will point that out as another desperate flip-flop from a man with no lasting principles. If Romney were to be ahead, the Obama campaign can easily charge that Mitt was more interested in playing a parlor room trick than providing the voters useful information early on. Such a maneuver might have some effect though, hard to say since it has never happened. It would be cool though.Â
@kennewickman Great point.
Flat Tax!!!
 @Shelly If this country has made it possible for you to make large amounts of money, why should you have the same tax rate as someone who was laid off and is working a minimum wage job just to survive? Remember the folks at AIG that gave each other bonuses after getting a Government bailout. The flat tax will hurt the most and help the wealthy.
@rockguy How will it help the wealthy? They will finally be paying actual taxes! As it stands now, the 1% get too many deductions, in some cases pay next to nothing, but hey, if you like it that way, more power to ya.
 @Shelly  @rockguy Get id of the loopholes, don't create a flat rate tax. Church donations shouldn't be tax deductible.
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 @ein_verit Would you remove the deductions for mortgage interest & property taxes?
Doing so would be an immediate tax increase on thousands of dollars for millions of middle class taxpayers.