Romney: 'Victory is in sight' after first debate

DENVER (AP) — Buoyed by a powerful debate showing, Mitt Romney said Thursday he offers "prosperity that comes through freedom" to a country struggling to shed a weak economy. President Barack Obama accused the former Massachusetts governor of running from his own record in pursuit of political power.
Both men unleashed new attack ads in the battleground states in a race with little more than a month to run, Obama suggesting Romney couldn't be trusted with the presidency, and the Republican accusing the president of backing a large tax increase on the middle class.
The debate reached 67.2 million viewers, an increase of 28 percent over the first debate in the 2008 presidential campaign. The measurement and information company Nielsen said Thursday that 11 networks provided live coverage of the debate.
Not even Democrats disputed that Romney was likely to benefit politically from the debate Wednesday night in which he aggressively challenged Obama's stewardship of the economy and said his own plans would help pull the country out of a slow-growth rut. Still, there was no immediate indication that the race would expand beyond the nine battleground states where the rivals and their running mates spend nearly all of their campaign time and advertising dollars.
Debate host Colorado is one of them, and Virginia, where Romney headed for an evening speech, is another. So, too, Wisconsin, Obama's destination for a mid-day rally. Nevada, Ohio, Iowa, New Hampshire, Florida and North Carolina are the others.
Among them, the nine states account for 110 electoral votes out of the 270 needed to win the White House, more than enough to tip the campaign to one man or the other.
"Victory is in sight," Romney exulted in an emailed request for donations to supporters. It was a show of confidence by a man hoping for a quick reversal in pre-debate public opinion polls that showed him trailing in battleground states as well as nationally.
Reprising a line from the debate, he told an audience of conservatives in Denver that Obama offers "trickle-down government." He added, "I don't think that's what America believes in. I see instead a prosperity that comes through freedom."
Another possible pivot point in the campaign neared in the form of Friday's government report on unemployment for September. Joblessness was measured at 8.1. percent the previous month.
Obama campaigned with the energy of a man determined to make up for a subpar debate showing. Speaking to a crowd not far from the debate hall, he said mockingly that a "very spirited fellow" who stood next to him onstage Wednesday night "does not want to be held accountable for the real Mitt Romney's positions" on taxes, education and other issues. "Governor Romney may dance around his positions, but if you want to be president you owe the American people the truth," he said.
Later, before a crowd of tens of thousands in Madison, Wis., he said Romney wants to cut federal funding for Public Television while repealing legislation that regulates the banking industry "I just want to make sure I've got this straight: He'll get rid of regulations on Wall Street, but he's going to crack down on Sesame Street," Obama said.
Taxes were a particular point of contention between the two men, although they were sharply divided as well on steps the cut the deficit, on government regulation, on education and Medicare.
Both in the debate and on the day after, Obama said repeatedly that his rival favors a $5 trillion tax cut that is tilted to the wealthy and would mean tax increases on the middle class or else result in a spike in federal deficits.
Romney said it wasn't so, and counterattacked in a new television commercial. It cited a report by the American Enterprise Institute that said Obama and "his liberal allies" want to raise taxes on middle class earners by $4,000 and that the Republican alternative would not raise the amount they owe to the IRS.
Romney repeated the claim at an evening rally in Fishersville, Va. "He's going to raise taxes on the middle class," Romney charged, citing the $4,000 figure. "I don't want to raise taxes on anybody."
Romney has refused so far to disclose many of the details to support his assertion that his proposal would not lead to a tax cut. His ad was an attempt to parry a report by the Tax Policy Center that Obama has frequently tried used to political advantage, as he did again during the day.
In a new ad by the president's campaign, Romney is quoted as saying that a $5 trillion tax cut "is not my plan." The ad then cites a study by the Tax Policy Center as saying it is, and asks why the Republican challenger "won't level with us about his tax plan which gives the wealthy huge new tax breaks.
"Because if we can't trust him here" — a photo of the debate stage appears — "How could we ever trust him here," the narrator says as a photo of the Oval Office fills the screen.
The two men debate twice more this month, Oct. 16 in Hempstead, N.Y. and Oct. 22 in Boca Raton, Fla.
Before they do, Vice President Joe Biden and Romney's running mate, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, will share a stage in Danville, Ky. in one week's time.
Biden plunged into the tax debate during the day, saying the administration does indeed want to increase the taxes paid by the wealthy by $1 trillion.
"We want to let that trillion-dollar tax cut expire so the middle class doesn't have to bear the burden of all that money going to the super wealthy," he said while campaigning in Iowa. "That's not a tax raise, that's called fairness where I come from."
Republicans didn't see it that way, and seized on the comment as evidence the administration's policies would kill jobs.
Whatever the eventual outcome of the race, Romney seemed to have achieved his goal of a campaign reset. Democrats braced for tightening polls over the next several days in the states where the campaign will be won or lost.
The head of one Republican-aligned independent group said all such organizations should consider expanding into states that have effectively been written off. "If we didn't get a home run, we certainly got a triple" from Romney's showing in the debate, said American Future Fund's founder Nick Ryan, who sided with Rick Santorum during the primaries.
Obama campaign strategist David Axelrod acknowledged in a conference call with reporters that an adjustment in strategy would be needed in the debates to come. "Obviously moving forward we're going to take a hard look at this, and we're going to have to make some judgments as to where to draw the line in these debates and how to use our time," Axelrod said.
Romney frequently interrupted both Obama and moderator Jim Lehrer of the Public Broadcasting Service during the 90-minute debate, sometimes talking over one or both of them to argue that the president's policies hadn't restored the economy, or alternatively, that the president was making false accusations about Republican proposals.
While both men prepared extensively for their first head-to-head encounter, Romney had the advantage of having taken part in 19 debates with his Republican rivals over the course of many months. He seemed to employ many of the techniques that he honed then, insisting on speaking time he claimed he was entitled to, for example, generally without seeming belligerent.
The president's last prior debate was four years ago, when he was running against Sen. John McCain.
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Associated Press writers Philip Elliott and Beth Fouhy in Washington, Julie Pace in Madison, Wis., and Matthew Daly in Council Bluffs, Iowa. contributed to this story. Espo reported from Washington.
Both men unleashed new attack ads in the battleground states in a race with little more than a month to run, Obama suggesting Romney couldn't be trusted with the presidency, and the Republican accusing the president of backing a large tax increase on the middle class.
The debate reached 67.2 million viewers, an increase of 28 percent over the first debate in the 2008 presidential campaign. The measurement and information company Nielsen said Thursday that 11 networks provided live coverage of the debate.
Not even Democrats disputed that Romney was likely to benefit politically from the debate Wednesday night in which he aggressively challenged Obama's stewardship of the economy and said his own plans would help pull the country out of a slow-growth rut. Still, there was no immediate indication that the race would expand beyond the nine battleground states where the rivals and their running mates spend nearly all of their campaign time and advertising dollars.
Debate host Colorado is one of them, and Virginia, where Romney headed for an evening speech, is another. So, too, Wisconsin, Obama's destination for a mid-day rally. Nevada, Ohio, Iowa, New Hampshire, Florida and North Carolina are the others.
Among them, the nine states account for 110 electoral votes out of the 270 needed to win the White House, more than enough to tip the campaign to one man or the other.
"Victory is in sight," Romney exulted in an emailed request for donations to supporters. It was a show of confidence by a man hoping for a quick reversal in pre-debate public opinion polls that showed him trailing in battleground states as well as nationally.
Reprising a line from the debate, he told an audience of conservatives in Denver that Obama offers "trickle-down government." He added, "I don't think that's what America believes in. I see instead a prosperity that comes through freedom."
Another possible pivot point in the campaign neared in the form of Friday's government report on unemployment for September. Joblessness was measured at 8.1. percent the previous month.
Obama campaigned with the energy of a man determined to make up for a subpar debate showing. Speaking to a crowd not far from the debate hall, he said mockingly that a "very spirited fellow" who stood next to him onstage Wednesday night "does not want to be held accountable for the real Mitt Romney's positions" on taxes, education and other issues. "Governor Romney may dance around his positions, but if you want to be president you owe the American people the truth," he said.
Later, before a crowd of tens of thousands in Madison, Wis., he said Romney wants to cut federal funding for Public Television while repealing legislation that regulates the banking industry "I just want to make sure I've got this straight: He'll get rid of regulations on Wall Street, but he's going to crack down on Sesame Street," Obama said.
Taxes were a particular point of contention between the two men, although they were sharply divided as well on steps the cut the deficit, on government regulation, on education and Medicare.
Both in the debate and on the day after, Obama said repeatedly that his rival favors a $5 trillion tax cut that is tilted to the wealthy and would mean tax increases on the middle class or else result in a spike in federal deficits.
Romney said it wasn't so, and counterattacked in a new television commercial. It cited a report by the American Enterprise Institute that said Obama and "his liberal allies" want to raise taxes on middle class earners by $4,000 and that the Republican alternative would not raise the amount they owe to the IRS.
Romney repeated the claim at an evening rally in Fishersville, Va. "He's going to raise taxes on the middle class," Romney charged, citing the $4,000 figure. "I don't want to raise taxes on anybody."
Romney has refused so far to disclose many of the details to support his assertion that his proposal would not lead to a tax cut. His ad was an attempt to parry a report by the Tax Policy Center that Obama has frequently tried used to political advantage, as he did again during the day.
In a new ad by the president's campaign, Romney is quoted as saying that a $5 trillion tax cut "is not my plan." The ad then cites a study by the Tax Policy Center as saying it is, and asks why the Republican challenger "won't level with us about his tax plan which gives the wealthy huge new tax breaks.
"Because if we can't trust him here" — a photo of the debate stage appears — "How could we ever trust him here," the narrator says as a photo of the Oval Office fills the screen.
The two men debate twice more this month, Oct. 16 in Hempstead, N.Y. and Oct. 22 in Boca Raton, Fla.
Before they do, Vice President Joe Biden and Romney's running mate, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, will share a stage in Danville, Ky. in one week's time.
Biden plunged into the tax debate during the day, saying the administration does indeed want to increase the taxes paid by the wealthy by $1 trillion.
"We want to let that trillion-dollar tax cut expire so the middle class doesn't have to bear the burden of all that money going to the super wealthy," he said while campaigning in Iowa. "That's not a tax raise, that's called fairness where I come from."
Republicans didn't see it that way, and seized on the comment as evidence the administration's policies would kill jobs.
Whatever the eventual outcome of the race, Romney seemed to have achieved his goal of a campaign reset. Democrats braced for tightening polls over the next several days in the states where the campaign will be won or lost.
The head of one Republican-aligned independent group said all such organizations should consider expanding into states that have effectively been written off. "If we didn't get a home run, we certainly got a triple" from Romney's showing in the debate, said American Future Fund's founder Nick Ryan, who sided with Rick Santorum during the primaries.
Obama campaign strategist David Axelrod acknowledged in a conference call with reporters that an adjustment in strategy would be needed in the debates to come. "Obviously moving forward we're going to take a hard look at this, and we're going to have to make some judgments as to where to draw the line in these debates and how to use our time," Axelrod said.
Romney frequently interrupted both Obama and moderator Jim Lehrer of the Public Broadcasting Service during the 90-minute debate, sometimes talking over one or both of them to argue that the president's policies hadn't restored the economy, or alternatively, that the president was making false accusations about Republican proposals.
While both men prepared extensively for their first head-to-head encounter, Romney had the advantage of having taken part in 19 debates with his Republican rivals over the course of many months. He seemed to employ many of the techniques that he honed then, insisting on speaking time he claimed he was entitled to, for example, generally without seeming belligerent.
The president's last prior debate was four years ago, when he was running against Sen. John McCain.
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Associated Press writers Philip Elliott and Beth Fouhy in Washington, Julie Pace in Madison, Wis., and Matthew Daly in Council Bluffs, Iowa. contributed to this story. Espo reported from Washington.
In Obama;s sight !? Romney...get real !
No doubt "victory is in site"... just not for Mitt
Romney's plan is 20% tax cuts for everyone on top of the Bush tax rates. His answer for how this can be deficit neutral is basically that, "we will grow the economy, thus generating tax revenue."
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an incumbent should be running on their record, not their plans. Â i don't think there is much else more to it.
Romney and his fans are trying to win this election using any short comings they can find and dwelling on them I haven't seen them offer up any ideas for improving our economic future. All they can say is that they have a plan. I'd like to know what the plan is so I'm not voting for something that is going to be something I don't want.
 @yoda I heard his website has just the information that you will ignore.
Whether good or bad, unlike Bush who was a puppet dangling the strings of the right wing lead by Dick Cheney, Romney will be his own man and not a puppet to anyone, that is a given.  Unlike Bush, Romney will be the decider. In politics today sorting lies out from hints of lies within a sea of truth that has become known not in a political world of spin doctors is more than discouraging. Â
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Democrats stretch the truth to the point of making it a lie while Republicans simply make up the truth as they go along. Â It was much easier voting for Nixon for a second term than it is either of these nimble brains. Â But as much as I hate to say it, I am a Democrat who once was a Reagan Republican that would probably vote Romney at this point of the game. Â Â But neither candidate has the ability to connect with the average Joe or Jane in this country and that, indeed, is most troubling.
You have to know just how desperate the GOP is when I get a call (in Seattle) from someone wanting me to contribute to the senate race of Todd Akin in Missouri...
 @OrcasThunder LOL my comment was deleted by the admins because I said "sure you did get a call?"
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Geez now that is truly pathetic
 @Gaikokujin Get used to it...
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 @Gaikokujin I didn't say that I contributed anything - I hung up.
But I did get that call on Tuesday. It was a robocall, so I didn't have any way to ask why they were calling in WA.
 @Gaikokujin  @OrcasThunder Better get your boots on, it's getting deep in here already.
 @KittySmasher  @Gaikokujin  @OrcasThunder i wonder what the excuse in new york and florida will be... the salty air? Â
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funny orcas is calling the GOP desperate while claiming that obama's dive bomb was caused by denver's himalayan altitude.
The "prosperity that comes through freedom" ? He must mean things like freedom to pillage ("harvest"?) companies and families and freedom to outsource jobs to Chinese sweat shops. Hey, whatever it takes to get rich.
 @plantfann Well, at least we can count on that 20% tax cut that he wants to use to balance the budget...Hey, the same idea worked really well for Bush, didn't it?
I admit I was rattled by some of the snap polls last night, but today's polls show that the improvements to Romney's favorability and likely voter ratings were purely amongst undecided Republican voters, and that Obama actually improved his favorability slightly amongst independents. Democratic voters were unchanged. Romney will now have to win independent undecided votes by 5:1 to have a chance of winning.
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What seems odd to me is that Republicans would be more enthusiastic considering he came across as much more moderate than he has in the past last night (as would be expected if he was going to try to persuade the average American to vote for him). But then I always pegged Romney as talking like a far conservative, but in action remaining a moderate conservative.
Mitt, you got a cocky, 19 year old grin on our face. Â Calm down...one good night doesn't make the election.
The debate isn't going to make a damn bit of difference. Romney did seem to be more on form from a technical standpoint, but he also lied a lot. Everyone's already made up their mind who they're going to vote for anyway. No one's minds were changed. Only a small % of the public is undecided.Â
The Prez totally wussed out, and the pissant totally lied.
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 @Audio Cat "The Prez totally wussed out, and the pissant totally lied"
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Obama and Obama. Yes you are correct on both of those points.
 @Gaikokujin I find it funny how you don't answer this question, but are quick to toss out a zinger when you think you have something clever to say on another question. Very telling... So to that I say -  answer the question please:Â
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Romney just flip flopped (again) and said that he was wrong about the 47%. Is he wrong? Is he right? Or is he lying?
 @Gaikokujin No. I meant Obama and Romney.
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 @Gaikokujin Christ, talk about a bunker mentality. Sorry so many belittle you - it made you paranoid it seems. I was genuinely curious, having studied both Japanese and Hebrew cultures in my day.Â
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But you still are avoiding my other question big time. About Romney and the 47% flip flop,
 @Audio Cat If you look at it it isn't just the "star of david", but you knew that.  Most importantly you aren't interested in any of it, you just want to belittle, so no reason to respond
 @Gaikokujin And you never answered my question. What's up with the Star of David and the Japanese handle.?
 @Gaikokujin I wasn't backtracking. You tried to put words in my mouth, but I did not allow you to do that.Â
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The rest of your statement is predictable hot air.
 @Audio Cat LOL nope but nice try with the backtracking. Kinda like when Obama said for the second time that success for the middle class will come when we export more jobs to china and then tried to say "I mean products"
 @Gaikokujin So Romney just said that he was totally wrong about the 47%.
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Is he right? Is he wrong? Or is he lying?
 @Gaikokujin What's the matter, cat got your tongue?
 @Mej47  @Audio No, God I wish you Pubbys would stop putting words in other peoples mouth.  It's annoying and dishonest.
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So Romney just said he was totally wrong about the 47%. Â Is he right? Is he wrong? Or is he lying?
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@Audio Cat So your saying Obama doesn't have 47% of the electorat tied to his purse strings? If Romney really thought he could win over the Obamanuts I'd start worrying about his sanity.
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The only ammunition that Obama can use is trying to stuff Romney back into the mold that his campaign and the liberal media tried to cast him in. Well, I got news for you... its not going to work. Enough independents are on to the liberal lies to make it possible. Romney is too knowledgeable, competent, and assertive to let it happen.
 @acepaul Romney doesn't have a say beyond his single vote - just like the rest of us. And as far as his policies, speeches, and plans, those are handed to him by the real policymakers behind him.Â
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Just like every other major politician.
 @acepaul I really dont believe Obama has the base his handlers think he does. The folks that I know that supported him before have nothing but apathy for him and the whole process and the ones that still think they are voting for the lessor of two evils cant effectively explain why they believe he is the lessor. I think he is smarter then Willard but that same intellect was used to screw the middle class, cut taxes for the rich, continue two wars, continue the torture at gitmo and other offshore torture sites, bail out the financial sector, hire 11 Goldman Sacks employees and putting them on his administration when they should have been put in jail, bailed out GM and cut the wages of GM employees with the other auto companies immediately whipsawing their employees into Obams deal at GM and even extending the damage to Canadian auto workers in their new agreement. He has doubled down on the patriot act by installing the NDAA where he becomes cop, judge, jury, executioner and has it all set up so it works in absolute secret. If the US left called bush a war criminal (and they did everyday) they MUST call Obama a war criminal or be a hipocrit. Obama is as big a right wing corporatist (Fascist) as bush was and willard will be.
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I don't care for either candidate, however I really AM looking forward to watching Ryan and Biden go at it. Biden can barely formulate a cohesive sentence, so this particular debate should get better ratings than IDOL based on entertainment value alone.
 @Wolfen I wonder if Ryan will post the URL of his "plan"...the one where the math is too hard to explain...
You mean like the dems signing a bill to find out what was in it afterwards. Ha ha ha ha. Your kidding me right. LOL
 @Lord Farquad So...you are willing to vote for someone who says he has a "plan", but seems to think you don't need to see it? Just "Trust Me, I know what I am doing - I just can't tell you what it is!"?
Saw tonight the facts: Of all televised presidential debates where there was an incumbent president involved, 5 out of 6 lost their first debate. 3 won their reelection and 3 didn't. This means squat. For crying out loud, Reagan lost his first debate to Walter Mondale. He went screaming about how victory was now in sight. Does anyone remember that election? The worst democratic loss in history?
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I was disappointed with the debate. That said, Romney is now guilty of counting chickens before they've hatched. Especially since the polls barely moved.
@WhatRJDid  Watching Rachael Maddow on MSNBC again I see. If that's where you get your "news" you're living in the socialist's dreamland and welcome to it.
 @Mej47 Are these things true or aren't they?
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A lot different debating with someone who knows what they are talking about huh Obama? This is not McSame. It will be interesting to see how the next 2 debates go. Though I am not to excited about Romney at least he understands finance better than the administration that is in place now. We cant spend our way out of this.
 @Lord Farquad Romney "understands finance" in the same way that a pimp understands finance. It's other peoples' job to make money, and his job to take it from them.
 @Lord Farquad "Though I am not to excited about Romney at least he understands finance"
Then why can't he actually SHOW a "plan" on the web? He says, "I'll work it out with Congress...", but he DOES have to have a starting offer to send them - doesn't he? Or is he going to turn it all over to them, let THEM come up with something, and then claim it was "his" all along?
They talk big plans, but they can't seem to actually SHOW people what they are - and they wonder why people question the existence of any plans?
So again I say I trust someone who understands finance better than I will a comunity organizer that cant even keep his promises about working with the other side.
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Obummer has never ran a business and it is obveous by his spending of money we the people dont have. You cant spend your way out of debt. Duh!
 @Lord Farquad "So again I say I trust someone who understands finance"
That's exactly what those who invested with Bernie Madoff said...
 @Lord Farquad I thought as you about spending your way out of debt...... well...... lets see what happens..... there's truth in what you're saying.... but.... study Economics and see about spending vs. austerity measures...
 @Lord Farquad I am a fan of neither candidate.... I will bet you all my forum points Obama-Biden 2012.
I have a feeling that Willard is going to be surprised at the next debate, when Mr. nice guy Obama comes out swinging...
@OrcasThunder Swinging? That certainly would be a welcome change from the last 4 years.
Last night a few television viewers on the left ( Or, I should say the US "left" which is actually right wing now days) who still have any hope whatsoever in this country got to witness the chronic unwillingness of Barack Obama to fight. He did not hammer Mitt Romney for his ugly, all-too-revealing comments that demeaned nearly half the population as slackers or welfare recipients. He did not go after Romney's terrible job-creation record as governor of Massachusetts. He did not assail Romney for his contention on 60 Minutes that people who don't have health insurance actually do get care -- in the nation's emergency rooms. "If someone has a heart attack, they don't sit in their apartment and die," said Romney. "We pick them up in an ambulance and take them to the hospital and give them care."
Obama never bothered to bring up that cold hearted comment during the debate, never bothered to explain why the reliance on emergency room treatment is one of the worst possible approaches imaginable to providing health care.
One of the more remarkable things about the debate was Willard's absolute contempt for anything resembling facts, truth or reality. Deliberate deception was/is the bedrock foundation of his strategy and Obama once again gave the liars a free pass as usual.
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If he would've displayed the fire he had in his belly during the 1st campaign at any time during his 1st (and I hope only) term, he wouldn't even have to campaign for a second term and nobody would have wasted time running against him. He had the majority, he had his base behind him because he knew the right words to say, and he fumbled away the only chance that the poor and middle class americans will likely have until after we experience something along the line of the French Revolution.
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Personally, I believe he and the rest of the dems have sunk to the level of treasonous traitors to the people of this country and should be punished for the betrayals they delivered to their base for decades. Today's GOP is what it is (Unfortunately) and is no surprise for anyone at this late date and we could punish them as well next round with a new party made up of working folks that care more for the condition of the country then the condition of the corporations they invest in.
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 @T_BONE_WALKER '"If someone has a heart attack, they don't sit in their apartment and die," said Romney. "We pick them up in an ambulance and take them to the hospital and give them care."'
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And there are some Republicans (and other "smaller government" idiots) who are suggesting that we need to start charging people for the 911 response...
 @T_BONE_WALKER  @OrcasThunder You need to apply for a job at msnbc you would be great, you would fit in with the rest of the delusional cast of characters over there.
 @CrankyPanky  @OrcasThunder I never have watched msnbc. I could be wrong but, I was kind of under the impression they are for Obama? I am all for placing him under arrest for being as big of a war criminal as bush and having him prosecuted for treason for his actions and inactions against the american poor and middle class. If that is what MSNBC wants, then maybe I should watch.
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What do you stand for, anything?