Sandy's death toll climbs; millions without power

NEW YORK (AP) - Millions of people from Maine to the Carolinas awoke Tuesday without electricity, and an eerily quiet New York City was all but closed off by car, train and air as superstorm Sandy steamed inland, still delivering punishing wind and rain. The U.S. death toll climbed to 39, many of the victims killed by falling trees.
The full extent of the damage in New Jersey, where the storm roared ashore Monday night with hurricane-force winds of 80 mph, was unclear. Police and fire officials, some with their own departments flooded, fanned out to rescue hundreds.
"We are in the midst of urban search and rescue. Our teams are moving as fast as they can," Gov. Chris Christie said. "The devastation on the Jersey Shore is some of the worst we've ever seen. The cost of the storm is incalculable at this point."
More than 8.2 million people across the East were without power. Airlines canceled more than 15,000 flights around the world, and it could be days before the mess is untangled and passengers can get where they're going.
The storm also disrupted the presidential campaign with just a week to go before Election Day.
President Barack Obama canceled a third straight day of campaigning, scratching events scheduled for Wednesday in swing state Ohio. Republican Mitt Romney resumed his campaign, but with plans to turn a political rally in Ohio into a "storm relief event."
Sandy will end up causing about $20 billion in property damage and $10 billion to $30 billion more in lost business, making it one of the costliest natural disasters on record in the U.S., according to IHS Global Insight, a forecasting firm.
Lower Manhattan, which includes Wall Street, was among the hardest-hit areas after the storm sent a nearly 14-foot surge of seawater, a record, coursing over its seawalls and highways.
Water cascaded into the gaping, unfinished construction pit at the World Trade Center, and the New York Stock Exchange was closed for a second day, the first time that has happened because of weather since the Blizzard of 1888. The NYSE said it will reopen on Wednesday.
A huge fire destroyed as many as 100 houses in a flooded beachfront neighborhood in Queens on Tuesday, forcing firefighters to undertake daring rescues. Three people were injured.
New York University's Tisch Hospital evacuated 200 patients after its backup generator failed. About 20 babies from the neonatal intensive care unit were carried down staircases and were given battery-powered respirators.
A construction crane that collapsed in the high winds on Monday still dangled precariously 74 floors above the streets of midtown Manhattan, and hundreds of people were evacuated as a precaution. And on Staten Island, a tanker ship wound up beached on the shore.
Most major tunnels and bridges in New York were closed, as were schools, Broadway theaters and the metropolitan area's three main airports, LaGuardia, Kennedy and Newark.
With water standing in two major commuter tunnels and seven subway tunnels under the East River, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said it was unclear when the nation's largest transit system would be rolling again. It shut down Sunday night ahead of the storm.
Joseph Lhota, chairman of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, said the damage was the worst in the 108-year history of the New York subway.
Similarly, Consolidated Edison said it could take at least a week to restore electricity to the last of the nearly 800,000 customers in and around New York City who lost power.
Millions of more fortunate New Yorkers surveyed the damage as dawn broke, their city brought to an extraordinary standstill.
"Oh, Jesus. Oh, no," Faye Schwartz said she looked over her neighborhood in Brooklyn, where cars were scattered like leaves.
Reggie Thomas, a maintenance supervisor at a prison near the overflowing Hudson River, emerged from an overnight shift, a toothbrush in his front pocket, to find his Honda with its windows down and a foot of water inside. The windows automatically go down when the car is submerged to free drivers.
"It's totaled," Thomas said with a shrug. "You would have needed a boat last night."
Around midday, Sandy was about 120 miles east of Pittsburgh, pushing westward with winds of 45 mph, and was expected to make a turn into New York State on Tuesday night. Although weakening as it goes, the storm will continue to bring heavy rain and flooding, said Daniel Brown of the National Hurricane Center in Miami.
In a measure of the storm's immense size and power, waves on southern Lake Michigan rose to a record-tying 20.3 feet. High winds spinning off Sandy's edges clobbered the Cleveland area early Tuesday, uprooting trees, cutting power to hundreds of thousands, closing schools and flooding major roads along Lake Erie.
In Portland, Maine, gusts topping 60 mph scared away several cruise ships and prompted officials to close the port.
The death toll climbed rapidly, and included 17 victims in New York State - 10 of them in New York City - along with five dead in Pennsylvania and five in New Jersey. Sandy also killed 69 people in the Caribbean before making its way up the Eastern Seaboard.
In New Jersey, Sandy cut off barrier islands, swept houses from their foundations and washed amusement pier rides into the ocean. It also wrecked several boardwalks up and down the coast, tearing away a section of Atlantic City's world-famous promenade. Atlantic City's 12 waterfront casinos came through largely unscathed.
Jersey City was closed to cars because traffic lights were out, and Hoboken, just over the Hudson River from Manhattan, was hit with major flooding.
A huge swell of water swept over the small New Jersey town of Moonachie, near the Hackensack River, and authorities struggled to rescue about 800 people, some living in a trailer park. And in neighboring Little Ferry, water suddenly started gushing out of storm drains overnight, submerging a road under 4 feet of water and swamping houses.
Police and fire officials used boats and trucks to reach the stranded.
"I looked out and the next thing you know, the water just came up through the grates. It came up so quickly you couldn't do anything about it. If you wanted to move your car to higher ground you didn't have enough time," said Little Ferry resident Leo Quigley, who with his wife was taken to higher ground by boat.
The full extent of the damage in New Jersey, where the storm roared ashore Monday night with hurricane-force winds of 80 mph, was unclear. Police and fire officials, some with their own departments flooded, fanned out to rescue hundreds.
"We are in the midst of urban search and rescue. Our teams are moving as fast as they can," Gov. Chris Christie said. "The devastation on the Jersey Shore is some of the worst we've ever seen. The cost of the storm is incalculable at this point."
More than 8.2 million people across the East were without power. Airlines canceled more than 15,000 flights around the world, and it could be days before the mess is untangled and passengers can get where they're going.
The storm also disrupted the presidential campaign with just a week to go before Election Day.
President Barack Obama canceled a third straight day of campaigning, scratching events scheduled for Wednesday in swing state Ohio. Republican Mitt Romney resumed his campaign, but with plans to turn a political rally in Ohio into a "storm relief event."
Sandy will end up causing about $20 billion in property damage and $10 billion to $30 billion more in lost business, making it one of the costliest natural disasters on record in the U.S., according to IHS Global Insight, a forecasting firm.
Lower Manhattan, which includes Wall Street, was among the hardest-hit areas after the storm sent a nearly 14-foot surge of seawater, a record, coursing over its seawalls and highways.
Water cascaded into the gaping, unfinished construction pit at the World Trade Center, and the New York Stock Exchange was closed for a second day, the first time that has happened because of weather since the Blizzard of 1888. The NYSE said it will reopen on Wednesday.
A huge fire destroyed as many as 100 houses in a flooded beachfront neighborhood in Queens on Tuesday, forcing firefighters to undertake daring rescues. Three people were injured.
New York University's Tisch Hospital evacuated 200 patients after its backup generator failed. About 20 babies from the neonatal intensive care unit were carried down staircases and were given battery-powered respirators.
A construction crane that collapsed in the high winds on Monday still dangled precariously 74 floors above the streets of midtown Manhattan, and hundreds of people were evacuated as a precaution. And on Staten Island, a tanker ship wound up beached on the shore.
Most major tunnels and bridges in New York were closed, as were schools, Broadway theaters and the metropolitan area's three main airports, LaGuardia, Kennedy and Newark.
With water standing in two major commuter tunnels and seven subway tunnels under the East River, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said it was unclear when the nation's largest transit system would be rolling again. It shut down Sunday night ahead of the storm.
Joseph Lhota, chairman of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, said the damage was the worst in the 108-year history of the New York subway.
Similarly, Consolidated Edison said it could take at least a week to restore electricity to the last of the nearly 800,000 customers in and around New York City who lost power.
Millions of more fortunate New Yorkers surveyed the damage as dawn broke, their city brought to an extraordinary standstill.
"Oh, Jesus. Oh, no," Faye Schwartz said she looked over her neighborhood in Brooklyn, where cars were scattered like leaves.
Reggie Thomas, a maintenance supervisor at a prison near the overflowing Hudson River, emerged from an overnight shift, a toothbrush in his front pocket, to find his Honda with its windows down and a foot of water inside. The windows automatically go down when the car is submerged to free drivers.
"It's totaled," Thomas said with a shrug. "You would have needed a boat last night."
Around midday, Sandy was about 120 miles east of Pittsburgh, pushing westward with winds of 45 mph, and was expected to make a turn into New York State on Tuesday night. Although weakening as it goes, the storm will continue to bring heavy rain and flooding, said Daniel Brown of the National Hurricane Center in Miami.
In a measure of the storm's immense size and power, waves on southern Lake Michigan rose to a record-tying 20.3 feet. High winds spinning off Sandy's edges clobbered the Cleveland area early Tuesday, uprooting trees, cutting power to hundreds of thousands, closing schools and flooding major roads along Lake Erie.
In Portland, Maine, gusts topping 60 mph scared away several cruise ships and prompted officials to close the port.
The death toll climbed rapidly, and included 17 victims in New York State - 10 of them in New York City - along with five dead in Pennsylvania and five in New Jersey. Sandy also killed 69 people in the Caribbean before making its way up the Eastern Seaboard.
In New Jersey, Sandy cut off barrier islands, swept houses from their foundations and washed amusement pier rides into the ocean. It also wrecked several boardwalks up and down the coast, tearing away a section of Atlantic City's world-famous promenade. Atlantic City's 12 waterfront casinos came through largely unscathed.
Jersey City was closed to cars because traffic lights were out, and Hoboken, just over the Hudson River from Manhattan, was hit with major flooding.
A huge swell of water swept over the small New Jersey town of Moonachie, near the Hackensack River, and authorities struggled to rescue about 800 people, some living in a trailer park. And in neighboring Little Ferry, water suddenly started gushing out of storm drains overnight, submerging a road under 4 feet of water and swamping houses.
Police and fire officials used boats and trucks to reach the stranded.
"I looked out and the next thing you know, the water just came up through the grates. It came up so quickly you couldn't do anything about it. If you wanted to move your car to higher ground you didn't have enough time," said Little Ferry resident Leo Quigley, who with his wife was taken to higher ground by boat.
This is absolutely horrible. My thoughts are with all of these people, and will be for a long time. During our Nisqually earthquake my house sunk into the ground, lost all of my windows, all of my water pipes burst, I had geysers outside, no phone then a semi came along took out the power line, ripped the fuse box OUT OF MY HOUSE and started an electrical fire that went around the "block" a 3 acre block. I thought Seattle was gone and my family was dead.Â
The Red Cross brought us water and food, FEMA helped with money for a new foundation and the water mains (SP?). Without that help my house would have been condemned. My property liquified, like quick sand which caused the damage to be so bad.
That isn't even close to what these people are going through.
Hang in there everyone, it will get better.
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Give to the Red Cross to help our brother and sister humans through this hellish time.
Politics make me sick. Regardless of who you support, this is BS.
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Did not see Barry out there. Does not mean he was not, but this is BS. Not time to trash. Time to help.
LOL!!!  "Did not see Barry out there... not the time to trash" After all of the ugly hate filled rhetoric you've spewed, and yet you still took a cheap shot at Obama.
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 @pbs7mm You didn't "see Barry out there" because he is busy doing his job rather than using the suffering of others to promote himself in swing states.
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âThe president has been all over this and he deserves great credit,â Christie said on Morning Joe Tuesday. âIâve been on the phone with him, like I said, yesterday, personally three times. He gave me his number at the White House, told me to call him if I needed anything. And he absolutely means it.â
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âHe said he would get it done,â Christie said of Obama on Fox News. âAt 2 a.m., I got a call from FEMA to answer a couple of final questions and then he signed the [Major Disaster] Declaration this morning. So I have to give the president great credit. Heâs been on the phone with me three times in the last 24 hours. Heâs been very attentive, and anything that Iâve asked for, heâs gotten to me. So, I thank the president publicly for that. Heâs doneâas far as Iâm concernedâa great job for New Jersey."
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"Mitt Romney is sending the supplies he asked supporters to bring to his ânon-politicalâ campaign event today â to which Romney invited NASCAR driver Richard Petty â in the battleground state of Ohio, only to victims of Hurricane Sandy in swing states that the GOP candidate has a chance of winning: Virginia, North Carolina, New Hampshire and Pennsylvania â not the two areas hardest hit by Hurricane Sandy: New Jersey and New York."
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Absolutely devastating
Anybody wanna buy a cab?
I have a hunch you can get a GOOD deal on used cars real soon. You might want to use carfax.,
 @Elvis I can give you a good deal on car paint. LOL
But, but, but, this was just hype. Nothing more - just made up so the media could sell advertising.
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That's what the now silent brain surgeon usual suspects were posting 48 hours ago. Gee, they sure are awful quiet now.
 @Howard Beale Better yet, it was all President Obama doing doing it to distract the country a week before election
 @Howard Beale Last night just as I was heading to bed, "WickedWitch" said something to the effect of "Here we go, gas prices are going to spike again". My response at the time was "Oh, boo hoo!", but I later thought a better response would be "The residents and businesspeople of New York and New Jersey apologize for inconveniencing you."
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Also, it reminded me of Weird Al's "Why Does This Always Happen to Me?". Surprisingly appropriate for commenters like that.
 @Howard Beale Hey, if it didn't cost THEM anything, what's the big deal? They only worry if it impacts them, anything that happens to others is "their problem"...
And, with all the massive damage in so many States, some don't think that the Federal government should be rendering aid...including Willard 'Mitt' Romney...
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 @pbs7mm Going ahead with a planned campaign stop in the battleground state of Ohio and calling it flood relief is not suspending his campaign, it is using the suffering of others for political gain. To me it is no different than the telemarketers that "collect" money for charity and then pocket the majority of the proceeds.
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I am glad he he is doing it and that people who need the supplies will get them, but it is hard to believe it is a sincere gesture from the guy who wants to cut FEMA.
 @OrcasThunder  @Howard Beale Ya know, Orcas, you had me up until the Romney crack. I agree with Necrobio - stop politicizing everything. That gets really old really fast.
 @KieferSkunk  You see it as @OrcasThunder taking a pot-shot at Romney, and others see it as pointing out a perfectly relevant fact.
 @OrcasThunder  @Howard Beale In the words of Samuel L. Jackson: "ENGLISH, MOTHER****ER! DO YOU SPEAK IT!?"
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You seem to have totally missed my point. Talking about how Romney wants to disband FEMA *is* relevant. I'm okay with discussing that. Taking a pot-shot at Romney with EVERY. SINGLE. POST. is stepping over the line - it makes you look like a fool and a troll, and it does NOTHING to further your cause.
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I don't know why I even bother trying to reason with people like you. You're clearly here just to stir up trouble at this point.
 @n9078jk4  @KieferSkunk  @Howard Beale You really need to stand in front of Gallagher at a farmer's market...
 @KieferSkunk  @Howard Beale "As I said, there's a difference between discussing FEMA's role and Romney's comments about it"...
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And how does that not relate to his saying that efforts like FEMA are "immoral"?
 @n9078jk4  @KieferSkunk  @Howard Beale I must be hitting a nerve...you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen...
 @OrcasThunder  @Howard Beale As I said, there's a difference between discussing FEMA's role and Romney's comments about it, and just taking every opportunity to say "Romney's a poopyhead" that you can. You're going over the line of decent discussion on a relevant issue.
 @KieferSkunk  @Howard Beale Like it or not, everyone in the nation is watching the President, and many would love to be able to compare him unfavorably to Bush's less than stellar actions following Katrina.
Imagine what it would be like if Romney were in the office, and FEMA did not exist - and the States were left to fend for themselves...depending on "private companies" to manage the recovery. If Romney were involved, they would probably be off shore companies, run for profit and he would be a shareholder...
 @OrcasThunder Here we go...what part of "this disaster has nothing to do with politics" do you people not understand?
 @Necrobio Ask that of Romney, who is still campaigning.
"Davenport, Iowa (CNN) â Mitt Romney spoke Monday with officials from the Federal Emergency Management Administration and the National Weather Service as Hurricane Sandy slammed into the U.S. East Coast.
Romney joined the representatives from the agencies, as well as officials from the Department of Homeland Security, on a 20-minute phone call at 4 p.m. ET while the GOP nominee was in Davenport, Iowa for an event, according to campaign spokesman Kevin Madden."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/29/romney-speaks-with-fema/
Unlike the President, who returned to DC and is doing his job.
BTW, one poster somewhere - in response to Gov. Christy's praise of the President's efforts - asked "why are we praising someone for doing their job?", and then started in on how Obama is "showboating"...
And there are obviously a lot of people posting who agree that there should be no Federal aid, no matter how bad the damage is.
So don't blame me for mentioning politics - there is, after all, little chance of moving the date of the election...and a lot of people who may not get to vote because of this storm.
 @alaska_dreamin  @Necrobio Exactly!
 @alaska_dreamin  @Necrobio  @OrcasThunder There's a difference between discussing Romney's statements about FEMA and just making crass political cracks for the sake of bashing a candidate. I'm personally perfectly willing to discuss the role of FEMA and what not in this article. But it seems in poor taste to just go "ROMNEY'S A POOPYHEAD" in the middle of an article about the loss of life due to a historic hurricane.
 @Necrobio  @OrcasThunder The disaster itself may not have anything to do with politics, but the ability of the government to respond and provide aid and assistance does. The fact that Mitt Romney has stated that he wants to cut FEMA is relevant to this discussion especially considering that we are only a week away from deciding the presidency.
I find it ridiculous that civilians have to DONATE the money to help with the clean up and to help families effected by this... Why can't our government just fork it over?Â
 @BrennanHartnell24 "Why can't our government just fork it over?"
Some don't think that the Federal government should be rendering aid...including Willard 'Mitt' Romney...
 @BrennanHartnell24 Sarcasm? Do you know what Government is? Have you read the Constitution? Bill of Rights? Find me something that stipulates that Gov't should be bailing citizens out. That's what charities, personal responsibility and insurance is for.
 @d_2  @BrennanHartnell24 The role of any government is to ensure the safety and security of its people.
 @OrcasThunder Yup. Understood. Restoration of power - how about Puget Power? (local example) Other services? Water and phone? Additional private companies. Housing and food. Red Cross, Salvation Army and other charities. At a high level... sure the Gov't has a role. Not one for handing out trailers and debit cards. We can agree to disagree. My day is done. Now on to the Gov'ts Interstate and on my way home. Cheers.
 @d_2 We have a fundamental disagreement at "It simply cannot be assumed and/or required." You're overblowing what I said when you start asking questions like "Should FEMA replace my car and my coffee maker?" - as Orcas also pointed out, that's not what they're there for, and I suspect you know it.
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And personally, I do believe that some level of government assistance SHOULD be assumed and required for disasters of this magnitude. Frankly, with all the corporate greed that was already demonstrated in New Orleans under Bush's watch, I have to ask how you'd expect one of the world's largest economies to get back on its feet WITHOUT government aid.
 @d_2  @KieferSkunk "A natural disaster such as Sandy; the Gov't should not have any obligation to replace/repair my car, my house or my coffee maker."
That is not what FEMA does. That is what insurance is for.
But...in too many cases in a storm like this the insurance companies find a way to opt out, saying that the damage to the house is due to wind (which "isn't covered") when the reason the wind tore it apart was the waves hitting it and knocking it off the foundation (which would be covered by water damage coverage)...That sort of thing happened following Katrina when companies who covered wind damage to the second story refused to pay for the first floor flood damage.
Raw capitalism at it's finest...
FEMA does not do individual repairs, it helps with recovery work in communities - restoration of power and other services, and temporary housing and food for those forced from their homes. And, in a storm of this scope, there is just too much for a State to do on it's own...especially when the infrastructure and commerce they need to raise that kind of funding is the very thing that needs to recover.
 @KieferSkunk Label's. For the record - not a Conservative. I don't have the stomach for the religious rhetoric and hypocrisy. Libertarian is more my speed.
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Nothing cavalier. The point is that the vast majority assume and demand that the Gov't meet their every need. Beyond catastrophic instances. It has zero to do with demographics. But, you and yours are quick to assume and define it for others. No where did I say that the Gov't shouldn't help. It simply cannot be assumed and/or required. And yes, the primary assistance should be supplied by the private sector. You ilk towards the insurance companies is understood and substantiated. Considering I have first hand knowledge of how a large insurance company responded to Hugo. However, that does not mean that the Government should be required to pick up where they left off. I don't recall telling saying that you do not know what you're talking about. I only disagree with your Socialist platform. I have been fortunate to communicate with my brother through Social Media. I sincerely hope that you have success contacting yours.
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 @d_2 Good for your family. It's nice that your family has the means to fend for itself. But my point is that there are a lot of people out there who do not have the means to rebuild on their own, through no fault of their own, and your cavalier attitude would leave them homeless and destitute. While you accuse me of perpetuating and confirming some sort of radical Socialist agenda, you are simply confirming what liberals have been accusing conservatives of for decades: Only caring about the wealthy.
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You said "Find me something that stipulates that Gov't should be bailing citizens out. That's what charities, personal responsibility AND INSURANCE is for." (emphasis mine.) Your original comment basically said that Government has NO responsibility to assist its people, that everything should be handled by the private sector. Perhaps I went too far in saying you like those private insurance companies, but I stand by what I said: Private insurance companies have a well-deserved reputation for screwing their customers, even the wealthiest ones, in situations like this.
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I also have family in NJ, whom I haven't been able to contact since the storm hit. I'm not sure if they're okay. So don't you dare tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
 @KieferSkunk Relax...  It is not the Governments responsibility to rebuild. Maybe some aspects of the infrastructure but not much beyond that. The original statement was directed to having the Gov't clean up and help the families. Define clean up? Demo my house and haul it away? Put up a temporary trailer? Help the families. Oh.. like providing a $500 debit card outright? You do realize that the vast majority of those were not put to credible use. Buying cigarettes. Make-up at Nordstrom etc.
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Where do I like insurance companies? You are disturbed. You can take your Socialist arse and wait on Big Brother to fix all your ills. This is the problem with our society. You have only confirmed it. BTW- smartguy (or gal).. I have family in NJ. They are managing as best they can and will do as much as possible without having to rely on Government to help them.
 @d_2 When a disaster strikes a nation, it is the responsibility of that nation's government to rebuild. I'm not sure how I can make this any clearer.
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You are nit-picking: Nobody has suggested that the government should replace every aspect of your life. And your challenge here reeks of contempt - perhaps YOU might be concerned about a set of tires for your SUV, but a lot of people just lost their homes, their livelihoods, *everything*.
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And those people who are fortunate enough to have private insurance are now going to have to get the legal system involved to actually recoup their losses, because those private insurance companies you seem to like so much invariably try to weasel their way out of paying for anything in disasters like this. "Acts of God" and all.
 @KieferSkunk At what level Kiefer? Is it beyond the aspect of personal safety to rebuilding my home? Not. Your response is very generalized. Why don't you provide more detail. A natural disaster such as Sandy; the Gov't should not have any obligation to replace/repair my car, my house or my coffee maker. Although there are many that are being led to believe that this is in fact Governments role. It is not. I do need a new set of R9's for Spring... maybe big brother can provide me a set? That would be soooo cool.
Uhm Just WHERE do you think "the goobermint" GETS the money?
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TAXES....out of YOUR pocket...directly or indirectly.
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DONATIONS allow those with disposable income to redistribute some of it as they see fit as opposed to having it hijacked through our taxes.
 @Woodswalker I'd much rather see my tax dollars used to save lives on the East Coast than to kill people in the Middle East (or anywhere else).
 @Woodswalker What you are saying that anyone except YOU is "on there own", subject to the whims and guilt of the rich?
Why don't you just buy an island somewhere in the path of the next Hurricane and make your own country? With your "it's all ME" attitude you are of no use in the UNITED States of America...
I did? Can you point out the statement/post where I positively agreed with Mittens' statement? I think not.
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FYI...I dont depend on charities...I DO donate a great deal of time, some directed money AND in-kind donations to help the unfortunate. I do so to avoid the squandering of so much of the cash-donations that never get to the alledged recipients and are instead spent on "Overhead", Up to 90% in the cases of some "charities" to provide multi million dollar salaries to the folks running the orgs.
In addition, I make it a point to ensure that I and my kin are prepared in the event of a natural or man-made disaster to be able to survive healthy and unaided for a MINIMUM of a week, more like 3-5 without any outside infusions of food/etc.
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In helping a friend who became suddenly unemployed through no fault of her own, I have come in contact with a tremendous number of folks who hang out at the Social Services buildings smoking, babies on their hips, driving a newer-nicer car than i can or want to buy, bragging about how they sold/traded benefits for concert tickets or were thrifty with the benefits so they could afford more smokes or concert tickets and alcohol. Trading tips on how to get MORE benefits with out having to DO anything.  A significant number of them were TRASHILY dressed towing around kids from obviously varied fathers...and I get to PAY FOR THAT KARP.
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THAT sort of things REALLY hacks me off.
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So Orca...I suggest that you pick up your lip and stop parroting the party lines.
hardly...I was pointing out that the $$$ that Brennan wants to have the government "fork over" is derived from taxes that we all pay. Brennan sounds suspiciously like a "We Wantz our free Stuff" sort in my book.
 @Funky-Munky "I am surprised you would dish out such a tongue lashing."
Then you haven't been listening.
My comment reflected Woodswalker's tone - he is one of those who agree with last year's Romney's statement that Federal aid is "immoral"...people like that want to throw everyone who can't afford to recover on their own to the winds of fate...they are like people who protest the government farm aid by blowing up Federal buildings - paying for the explosives out of the farm aid money they live on...they want the rest of the people to depend on charities while THEY don't feel a need to help others.
 @OrcasThunder Orca that wasn't very nice.... I am surprised you would dish out such a tongue lashing.
 @Woodswalker I don't know about you, but I have witnessed much worse in a third world atmosphere. It's amazing how others work together to solve daily problems that arise. In other words their governments provide zero help and the villagers know how to band together for the common good and work it out. Too many Americans sit on their arse and cry for FEMA to solve everything. (my two cents).
 @BrennanHartnell24 Too many events such as war(s), Katrina and other natural disasters such as twister etc.! The war(s) aren't free... who cares about civilians when there are war(s) to be waged in others countries etc. think FOREIGN AID!
 @Funky-Munky  @BrennanHartnell24 I think the wars and foreign disaster relief should be a donation funded enterprise. The people who want to do those things would have to have a telethon. DOMESTIC disaster relief SHOULD be tax funded. There's no reason we can't take care of our own citizens.
I see that picture of all the yellow cabs parked and flooded. Why weren't the taken to higher ground? Warnings were given.
 @rockguy Probably because saving the taxi cab fleet was a bit lower priority than saving human lives? Just sayin'.
 @KieferSkunk  @rockguy Be fair - "Individualists" like rocks for brains care more about property than people...they see too many of the latter and too little of the former.
They also laugh at people who bothered to have insurance coverage...