Senators fear that country may go over 'fiscal cliff'

WASHINGTON (AP) - Senators bickered Sunday over who's to blame for lurching the country toward a year-end "fiscal cliff," bemoaning the lack of a deal days before the deadline but bridging no differences in the debate.
With the collapse Thursday of House Speaker John Boehner's plan to allow tax rates to rise on million-dollar-plus incomes, Sen. Joe Lieberman said "it's the first time that I feel it's more likely we'll go over the cliff than not," meaning that higher taxes for most Americans and painful federal agency budget cuts would be in line to go ahead.
"If we allow that to happen it will be the most colossal consequential act of congressional irresponsibility in a long time, maybe ever in American history because of the impact it'll have on almost every American," said Lieberman, a Connecticut independent.
Wyoming Sen. Jon Barrasso, a member of the GOP leadership, predicted that the new year would come without an agreement, and he faulted the White House.
"I believe the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. He senses a victory at the bottom of the cliff," he said.
Democratic Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, was incredulous at Barrasso's assertion that 'there is only one person that can provide the leadership" on such a matter vital to the nation's interests.
"There are 535 of us that can provide leadership. There are 435 in the House, 100 in the Senate and there is the president, all of us have a responsibility here," he said. "And, you know what is happening? What is happening is the same old tired blame game. He said/she said. I think the American people are tired of it. What they want to hear is what is the solution?"
No solution seemed any nearer, with Obama and Congress on a short holiday break. Congress is expected to be back at work Thursday and Obama in the White House after a few days in Hawaii.
"It is time to get back to the table," said Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., "And I hope if anyone sees these representatives from the House in line shopping or getting their Christmas turkey, they wish them a merry Christmas, they're civil, and then say go back to the table, not your own table, the table in Washington."
Obama already has scaled back his ambitions for a sweeping budget bargain. Before leaving the capital on Friday, he called for a limited measure that extend George W. Bush-era tax cuts for most people and stave off federal spending cuts. The president also urged Congress to extend jobless benefits for the long-term unemployed that would otherwise be cut off for 2 million people at the end of the year.
"The truth of the matter is, if we do fall off the cliff after the president is inaugurated, he'll come back, propose just what he proposed ... in leaving Washington and we'll end up adopting it, but why should we put the markets in such turmoil and the people misunderstanding or lack of confidence," said Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga. "Why not go ahead and act now?
Obama's announcement late Friday suggested that a smaller deal may rest in the Senate, given the failure of Boehner's option in the House.
"The ball is now clearly with the Senate," said Lieberman.
He said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and GOP leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky "have the ability to put this together again and pass something. It won't be a big, grand bargain to take care of the total debt, but they can do some things that will avoid the worst consequences going over the fiscal cliff."
It was only a week ago when news emerged that Obama and Boehner had significantly narrowed their differences. Both were offering a cut in taxes for most Americans, an increase for a relative few and cuts of roughly $1 trillion in spending over a year. Also included was a scaling back of future cost-of-living increases for Social Security recipients - a concession on the president's part as much as agreeing to higher tax rates was for the speaker.
Lieberman was on CNN's "State of the Union," while Barrasso and Conrad appeared on "Fox News Sunday." Klobuchar and Isakson were on "Fox News Sunday."
With the collapse Thursday of House Speaker John Boehner's plan to allow tax rates to rise on million-dollar-plus incomes, Sen. Joe Lieberman said "it's the first time that I feel it's more likely we'll go over the cliff than not," meaning that higher taxes for most Americans and painful federal agency budget cuts would be in line to go ahead.
"If we allow that to happen it will be the most colossal consequential act of congressional irresponsibility in a long time, maybe ever in American history because of the impact it'll have on almost every American," said Lieberman, a Connecticut independent.
Wyoming Sen. Jon Barrasso, a member of the GOP leadership, predicted that the new year would come without an agreement, and he faulted the White House.
"I believe the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. He senses a victory at the bottom of the cliff," he said.
Democratic Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, was incredulous at Barrasso's assertion that 'there is only one person that can provide the leadership" on such a matter vital to the nation's interests.
"There are 535 of us that can provide leadership. There are 435 in the House, 100 in the Senate and there is the president, all of us have a responsibility here," he said. "And, you know what is happening? What is happening is the same old tired blame game. He said/she said. I think the American people are tired of it. What they want to hear is what is the solution?"
No solution seemed any nearer, with Obama and Congress on a short holiday break. Congress is expected to be back at work Thursday and Obama in the White House after a few days in Hawaii.
"It is time to get back to the table," said Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., "And I hope if anyone sees these representatives from the House in line shopping or getting their Christmas turkey, they wish them a merry Christmas, they're civil, and then say go back to the table, not your own table, the table in Washington."
Obama already has scaled back his ambitions for a sweeping budget bargain. Before leaving the capital on Friday, he called for a limited measure that extend George W. Bush-era tax cuts for most people and stave off federal spending cuts. The president also urged Congress to extend jobless benefits for the long-term unemployed that would otherwise be cut off for 2 million people at the end of the year.
"The truth of the matter is, if we do fall off the cliff after the president is inaugurated, he'll come back, propose just what he proposed ... in leaving Washington and we'll end up adopting it, but why should we put the markets in such turmoil and the people misunderstanding or lack of confidence," said Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga. "Why not go ahead and act now?
Obama's announcement late Friday suggested that a smaller deal may rest in the Senate, given the failure of Boehner's option in the House.
"The ball is now clearly with the Senate," said Lieberman.
He said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and GOP leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky "have the ability to put this together again and pass something. It won't be a big, grand bargain to take care of the total debt, but they can do some things that will avoid the worst consequences going over the fiscal cliff."
It was only a week ago when news emerged that Obama and Boehner had significantly narrowed their differences. Both were offering a cut in taxes for most Americans, an increase for a relative few and cuts of roughly $1 trillion in spending over a year. Also included was a scaling back of future cost-of-living increases for Social Security recipients - a concession on the president's part as much as agreeing to higher tax rates was for the speaker.
Lieberman was on CNN's "State of the Union," while Barrasso and Conrad appeared on "Fox News Sunday." Klobuchar and Isakson were on "Fox News Sunday."
Good! maybe the progressives should start negotiating and stop the . When the federal government brings in six billion dollars a day ,but spends ten billion there is a clear spending problem.  For those who think people making over a million dollars should pay more .There payment would be over $250,000. If Obama raises taxes on all those making 40-50 thousand would pay about $1500 more a year. Let EVERYONE pay their "fair" share" if you want to maintain this spending level.Â
The constitution requires the senate to yearly pass a budget. It has been 1,335 days since the senate last done so.
@sadatoni: You are saddly mistaken. The Senate can pass a budget RESOLUTION to act as a guide for working on the actual budget. As for passing a real budget, that is actual spending measures, they as well as the House do so every year regular as clockwork. It just gets parcelled up into separate pieces for passage. You know, you hear about the defense budget, the general operating budget, etc.
On New Years eve republican's should celebrate with democrats and as the clock strikes 12 hold hands and jump. If congress does nothing, our country will be the better off in the long run.
"Senators fear that we might go over the fiscal cliff". Who in the hell is putting us there? Oh yes they are in recess for the holidays now so who cares???? By the way I am lucky to get a couple days off for Xmas and these turkeys take a week or more. Don't forget this Senate and Congress have yet to settle on any kind of budget in how many years. I think we should sh*t can the whole mob and start fresh with some people that don't owe fealty to the money mob.
Stop paying them until they fix the problem and include all of the perks. We need to get away of the best government money can buy crap.
John Boehner tried to get his version passed with ONLY Republican votes. He delayed the vote on the bill because his own party did not support him.Â
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A leader builds consensus. He needs to do the smart thing and get votes from both parties in the House.Â
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Going off the cliff is the best thing for this country though, if you care about our debt.Â
 @lakeview Obamas budget on votes in the Senate ,last time 99-1 voted down.
A solution is not difficult. All we need is 50% plus one in each branch of Congress. I have been thinking about this and have my own plan. I will send it to my Congresswoman DelBene.
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1. Social Security inflation index changes.
2. Social Security is means tested.Medicare and Medicaid as now continued but fraud investigation teams strengthened. Bounty rewards for whistle blowers increased.
3. Farm subsidies are slashed and means tested.All corporate subsidies slashed.
4. Departments of Defense, Agriculture, and Homeland Security budgets reduced 10% and fixed for 5 years. At least 20% of foreign bases shut down.
5. All other Departments (State, Treasury, Justice, Interior, Commerce, Labor, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Energy, Education) budgets are fixed at the present rate for 5 years.
6. Department of Transportation budget increased 2% a year for infrastructure improvements and to provide jobs to energize economy.
7. Department of Veterans Affairs fully funded.
8. All recipients of government aid like housing subsidies, food stamps, etc must be drug tested. Including for tobacco and alcohol. No more tax money to support drug, alcohol, and tobacco abuse. This only applies to those programs that the individual did not directly contribute to.
9. All other agencies not included above also have budgets frozen for 5 years, except NASA. NASA budget increased by 3% a year.
10. Taxes increased for those making over $400k to levels in 1994. Including capital gains and "death" tax.
11. Whistle blowers throughout government who reveal abuse and theft rewarded.
12. Unemployment not extended again.
13. Money provided for infrastructure improvements to get economy going.
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And now I see the response. This will probably upset everyone - which means it might work!
 @Hagar And the Obama tax increases go into effect for EVERYONE. Along with no taxes on Social Security.
 @Hagar You know, this is the best idea I've heard so far, and it makes sense. Wow, a plan one man comes up with that might work, and all of congress can't get their collective heads out of their... you know.Â
 @Hagar I don't agree 100% with everything you list, but I personally would compromise to this if this was the plan.  It's more sensible and workable than anything else I've heard.
America already went over the Fiscal Cliff.... All congress is doing is nothing pertaining to the economic recovery of America... Let the blame, shame and downfall of America's Three Branches of Government begin. Like it or not our government is an incurable cancer.
Wish they would stop calling it a cliff. Nothing happens when it takes place. Still lots of time to change it even after its enacted if the congress and the president can work out a deal. The republicans have again proved they have become a failed party. They've put themselves in this position where there's virtually nothing they can do to save face. There's only one thing they could do. They could start getting back to being the party for civil rights. They could stop all this big brother nonsense and leave people alone. They could also take a stand on legalizing cannabis. Thats something a conservative party would back a 100%
I fear I may crash my car
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That is if I don't steer it, watch my speed, not go on vacation when I should be in the shop working on it, spend a little money on new tires instead of a pricey stereo systems, so on and so on.
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Referencing President Obma's comments concerning the federal fiscal dilemma: He speaks critically of fed money problems  while on a $4,000,000 Hawaiian vacation. About $3,000,000 is for the eighteen hour flight from DC to Hawaii and back plus security.  [REF: Hawaiian Reporter]  As long as any money is left lets spend it and enjoy the ride. Just be patient it will not  last forever.Â
@George And W took more vacation days than any president in history. This is the first "vacation" that Obama has taken all year. It is Christmas. It would be a lot better if you tempered your hatred for Obama with a little...what's the opposite of ignorance? Oh, yeah, knowledge.Â
@lakeview Really where can I find that info at? If I remember right he went to his ranch in Crawford TX and was still working. Mrs. Obama took a very long vacation this summer at tax payer's expense. And no quoting a liberal rag. WSJ is acceptable.
@George Is he really on vacation? When I go on vacation I leave my job behind my husband leaves his job behind. The president is still the president even in Hawaii. If terrorists attack he has to be prepared. That is still possible given the unrest in the world. The link from Hawaii talk about the taxes on the rooms that are rented but cars need gas and that is gas taxes. The secret service and the presidents entourage will eat in restraurants buy things in stores and pay even more taxes. Yes it costs money to fly Airforce ! to Hawaii but the plane can keep the President safe and help him be available for his 24/7/365 job.
@taxpro Whenever me and my husband go on vacation we check in everyday. Nice for you but for small business owners we always check-in.
 taxpro - So true.  And every other President has done this since airplanes were invented, so it is unfair to single out just 1 president on 1 occasion.
 @George Here is one of the links you are looking for.
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Residents Alerted to Obamas' Hawaiian Holiday Plans
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/residents-alerted-to-obamas-hawaiian-holiday-plans/123
These guys could care less. They make and have more money then they know what to do with. Every law they create has an exemption for them in it. They do not follow the rules, they do not worry about what they do. America as a whole needs to realize we are not Republican or Democrat...we are in the middle of these two extremists groups...the election showed that.
 @K00lGuy I say, none of them gets paid or gets any benefits until they quit spending their time blaming each other, and COMPROMISE, act like adults, and LEAD!
@Smartypants @K00lGuy I say term limits. That would take away the favoritism and the PAC's.